Florida State Football Camp Questions: Defense
by Bud Elliott on Aug 9, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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PrintFlorida State Football fall camp started yesterday! The Seminoles here are covered quite extensively, and 'Nole fans are right to be excited about this season. Yesterday, we covered the offense. So today, let's reign it in a little bit. Let's discuss the issues which are still unresolved for each position. I have included the depth chart from Seminoles.com, and have added the freshmen I mention in the article.
There aren't too many questions about defensive position battles. This is a very talented defense that will look to get more comfortable in its second year of a real scheme, and determine who the backups are. I am expecting the best defense since 2005 (Ernie Sims, Kam Wimbley, Lawrence Timmons, Broderick Bunkley, Antonio Cromartie, Pat Watkins and A.J. Nicholson).
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LE
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95 Bjoern Werner |
6-4
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273
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So.
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| 91 Cornellius Carradine |
6-5
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267
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Jr.
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DT
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55 Jacobbi McDaniel |
6-1
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297
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Jr.
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| or 93 Everett Dawkins |
6-2
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295
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Jr.
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| 97 Demonte McAllister |
6-2
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285
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So.
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| 8 Timmy Jernigan |
6-3
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297
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Fr.
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NG
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92 Anthony McCloud |
6-2
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311
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Jr.
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| 98 Cameron Erving |
6-5
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305
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r-Fr.
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| 94 Darious Cummings |
6-2
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293
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So.
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| 90 Moses McCray |
6-2
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320
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r-Jr.
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RE
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49 Brandon Jenkins |
6-3
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265
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Jr.
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| 58 Dan Hicks |
6-4
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270
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So.
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SLB
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7 Christian Jones |
6-4
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240
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So.
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| 28 Nigel Terrell |
6-2
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230
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r-Fr.
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MLB
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11 Vince Williams |
6-1
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245
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Jr.
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| or Telvin Smith |
6-3
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209
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So.
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| 57 Holmes Onwukaife |
6-2
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245
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r-Fr.
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WLB
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13 Nigel Bradham |
6-3
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240
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Sr.
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| 48 Jeff Luc |
6-0
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245
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So.
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BC
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27 Xavier Rhodes |
6-2
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211
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So.
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| 1 Michael Harris |
5-11
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195
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Sr.
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| 21 Avis Commack |
6-4
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203
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Jr.
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SS
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20 Lamarcus Joyner |
5-8
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204
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So.
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| 31 Terrence Brooks |
5-11
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193
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So.
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FS
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4 Terrance Parks |
6-2
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215
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Sr.
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| or 10 Nick Moody |
6-2
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224
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Jr.
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| 9 Karlos Williams |
6-2
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220
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Fr.
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FC
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5 Greg Reid |
5-8
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186
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Jr.
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| 15 Nick Waisome |
5-10
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175
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Fr.
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Defensive Line
Will Tank Carradine challenge Bjoern Werner for the top spot at left end? After spring I would have said no, as Werner won the spring MVP. But Carradine has exploded in the weight program and is probably in line for a good bit of playing time regardless of starter status.
How many defensive tackles will see meaningful snaps? It will definitely be six, but could even be eight as Moses McCray practiced yesterday. The depth of this defensive front, which does not have a single senior, is insane.
Linebacker
Who wins the battle at Mike linebacker? We've pontificated that FSU will likely use a platoon here each week based on the opposing offense. Telvin Smith should be better against spread offenses (early in the year), while a bigger backer should be used against pro-style offenses later in the season. And that brings up a great point: Jeff Luc. We know Vince Williams is in the mix to start at Mike, but Luc was listed on the most recent depth chart as the backup at Will. This isn't that big of a deal, because the Will in the over front is basically a second Mike, and in 2012 Luc will be absorbing blocks and letting Telvin roam free.
Defensive Back
Who will win the free safety job (traditional strong safety spot)? FSU's safeties played poorly last year, and as a result, Lamarcus Joyner locked down a starting job this spring patrolling center field. Terrance Parks and Nick Moody will have to battle for the other safety spot, which means playing down in the box. Neither are superstars and the position will be decided not on who makes big plays, but rather on who most consistently plays his assignment. There are stars on this defense. Let the stars make the plays. Guys like Parks and Moody just need to consistently not make mistakes.
And that's another thing that really stands out to me. Some guys on this defense still think they are superstars when they are not. If they want to play, they will need to focus on playing sound, fundamental, assignment-based football. FSU now has the depth to sit guys who don't get it. Let the stars make the plays.
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Wow, only 2 seniors starting?
And both have great backups. Looking good for next year!
jimbo's gotta feel like he's in one big room
full of bad bitches
by Sean Martin on Aug 9, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I have a feeling you won’t want to name names, but I would love to know what players you were talking about at the end of the article.
That dude is a star.
"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."
G5 is one of the stars
hes still young and needs to wrap up. But I dont see him being a reg guy just to make plays. hes boom or bust. But can get a lot more of a Boom if he fixes mental errors. Still Young. I would think more of the Moody or Parks type players who just need to play as he was mentioning are the ones. Not a stud recruit who were only So
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No sir!
Swagzilla is a star.
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Aug 9, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
hes a star returner
hes a very good corner
by garnetandgold on Aug 9, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Guaranteed Reid and Bradham top the list
Reid as a cb (his is a playmaker as a returner)
in no particular order my list is
Joyner
Reid
Jenkins
Jones
Rhodes
T Smith
Hope so. I think a lot of people were disappointed that he didn't have a breakout year last year.
But I’m really happy he’s sticking around for his Sr. year and giving the LBs a bit more experience.
Just led the team in tackles
He’ll be fine this year, if you ask me. Another year in the system, maybe not an all-timer but def in the top 5 playmakers on D.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I know that some were still disappointed, right or wrong.
And yes, he should be up there, no doubt.
I can’t pick just five. I seriously don’t know who to leave out. Nice problem to have.
My list
Hicks – big season
Harris – play maker
Rhodes – consistant
Moody – Big hitter
C. JOnes – Star in the making
I know I pick some of the back ups but they all seemed to show up on the few snaps they got. Moody, while bashed a lil here, was only a 1st year starter and gets a little too much heat IMO.
This defense is made to prevent big plays, not create knockout highlight reels.
Moody still has lots of potential, but he’s got a lot to clean up before he’s a star.
I think our philosophy will change
With our new found depth.
Assuming the bend dont break philosophy of the first year will stick is a huge leap
Jimbo is the Tomas Crown of NCAAFB
by stevegrizzle on Aug 10, 2011 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the philosophy of our D is built on being in the right place at the right time.
If you are, you will be in position to make big plays. There will be highlights as long as the guys understand and execute their assignments.
I just pre-ordered my SI 2012 FSU Championship Package.
by Jamil Dawson on Aug 10, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
I think this defense is made to create knockout Highlight reels because they are made to prevent big plays. Guys are sitting in zones ready to deliver the big hit when the receivers come into their area. It also lends itself to ints if played correctly. Plus it makes the QB work harder to find the open man in the different zones, which should hopefully give the DL time to crush him.
For me the top playmakers this season will be
Jenkins, Rhodes, Joyner, Telvin, and I’m on the fence with the 5th one. I think that it could be between 3 guys Bradham/Reid/Werner. I think that they all could be big playmakers, just need to see how well they have each progressed this offseason.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 9, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
*I think that Werner is going to have a huge year as a run stopper.
I think that he is going to help our run defense alot. But he may not have a ton of numbers to support the argument of him being top “playmaker”.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 9, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm looking for a really big year from Werner.
If I had to pick one position where I’m really interested in seeing the two deep battle for PT, it’s at Left End. I’ll have to go with Bud and say Tank won’t top Werner, but it will be a heck of a time watching them compete.
Even if Carradine plays more
they’ll keep the Werner as the nominal #1. That’ll keep Tank hungry and forestall one and done talk. Dline is a position that takes a lot of energy and backups see a lot of real plays.
I’m wondering if Tank can play the other side in run downs, or against run first teams (if there are any of these left).
Gotta think Stoops
will feature a lot more subbing this year than last. Maybe he won’t sub at the Mickey-Andrews rate, but much more so than last year.
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yea
I can’t wait to see what type of blitz packages will be opened up this year….instead of the mostly base stuff that was ran last year
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Size?
How accurate are these sizes? I was hoping that Telvin would be bigger, but I think he has the ability to be the best guy on the field, despite being undersized. I’m rooting for him. Also, Tim wearing number 8, kind of odd for a D-Lineman.
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
Freeman is going to wear 8.
Telvin will switch.
Remember, new rule
says a number can be worn by 1 player per side of the ball. So both Freeman and defensive player can wear #8.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Oh yeah...
I’d rather they just go to three digits for linemen.
Waisome and Demps
They are wearing the sane number (6) I believe, and they obviously both play defense. Why is that?
by KnoleR3 on Aug 9, 2011 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Waisome is 15
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
unless he just changed recently
haven’t seen an updated list for a bit
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Maybe Demps get Tank Session's number.
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of death." - Nick Saban
Both can wear it, just not at the same time.
See C Jones and C ponder from last season.
I always thought that Ponder looked a little more tan each time he stepped out on defense last season
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought Freeman was wearing 4
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Great point re: play your role, let the stars make plays. I liken it to someone on the line like McMahon not getting called out for steady play, or even in the old days when Robert Morgan would always come trhough when you needed him, but otherwise left the playmaking thing to PW & Coles who were the stars.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 9, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions
I remember Robert Morgan having hands of stone.
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That wasn’t a drop vs Chattanooga on the 3rd play of the 4th quarter. The db knocked it out of his hands. We’ve discussed this and you are wrong. It was the other 11 drops he had that is influencing your opinion in this matter.
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Oops. I meant Dugans. Always remember Morgan when I’m thinking of Dugans
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 9, 2011 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dugans I agree with...
Always thought he was very underappreciated. Came up huge in the title game too.
As underappreciated as a 66th NFL overall pick could be...
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth.
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.
by FLpanhandler on Aug 10, 2011 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What!!!???
Robert Morgan was a horrible receiver…. I think he had more drops than catches.
He did
And I vivdly remember his one spectacular catch, because he went on to excessively celebrate and drew a flag. I thought at the time, “the ref should’ve picked up that flag – it was his only opportunity”
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 9, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I remember that celebration.
If I’m not mistaken, it was either shortly after, or shortly before another flag for celebrating a first down. It’s bad once, but the second one is just unforgivable, because you know it’s a flag. It’s about the most unforgiveably selfish act you can do.
I don’t remember if Morgan’s was first or second, if we are thinking of the same play, but for me personally that was the lowest moment of the lost decade, worse than the WF shutout. I just seriously wanted to stop being a fan.
So a flag was worse than getting shutout at home for the first time ever by a time that we had only lost to once in the history of our school?
ME NO THINKY SO
Jimbo is the Tomas Crown of NCAAFB
I dont know how you can think the lowest point
Was over a flag for unnecessary celebration over a 30-0 loss at home to WF. I have been upset after flags. But never questioned the teams future for it. Dont see how a penalty can compare to the WF or many other things I would like to forget from TLD
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Morgan's last year played was 2000
The same year we played OU in the title game. Not part of the lost decade, that’s for sure.
Nope - 2002. I know since I wasn't at FSU until 2001
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 9, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm....you sure?
Last game played – 2000.
He took a medical redshirt in 2001
So its likely 2002…of course I dont have any first hand knowledge here.
Yeah, that bio's weird
But trust me, I remember cursing his name, and this was before I could get drunk for games.
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 9, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
2002 sounds right
its just that the last pass he caught (didn’t catch) was in 2000
he could not catch well at all
Robert Morgan (6 year plan)
Year No Pos Hgt Wgt Cl Ltr Hometown
1997 89 WR 6-0 180 Fr East Point, GA Did not qualify
1998 87 WR 6-0 180 Fr * East Point, GA
1999 87 SE 6-0 180 So * East Point, GA
2000 87 SE 6-0 180 Jr * East Point, GA
2001 87 SE 6-0 187 Sr Atlanta, GA Knee injury
2002 87 WR 6-0 195 Sr-R * Atlanta, GA
Offensive Statistics
Year GP Rec Yds Avg Long TD
-———————————————-
1998 8 6 85 14.2 16 0
1999 11 16 245 15.3 38 0
2000 9 19 366 19.3 71t 3
2002 14 17 178 10.5 19 1
-———————————————-
Tot 42 58 874 15.1 71t 4
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
gotta stand up for RM.
most consistent hands on team BEFORE broken thumb. Really struggled after.
by arrdub on Aug 9, 2011 4:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think we can all agree he’s no Atrews Bell
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 9, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Na Talman Gardner
Just for the drop he had in the Sugar Bowl where Anquan Boldin passed the ball 60+ yards through the air, and off the tv screen….and Talman let it slip right through his hands…lol
on defense
I don’t know who Bud is talking about…but when they are on the field….whether it’s defense or ST….Telvin Smith and Mike Harris are stars….they just make plays…obviously Brandon Jenkins has shown that he can be a playmaker
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When Justin Bright is on your depth chart you are not deep at that position
in the photos – E Dawkins looks 2 inches taller than D. McAllister – but they are listed as the same height.
T. Jerinigan looks shorter than both of them but is listed as one inch taller
“Our best D since 2005” – WOW – that sounds really good – I am not so sure myself – but will be happy to be wrong – I just need to see it on the field first to believe – really only concerned about the interior line – they we not dominating against good or medicore competition last year
They were plain nasty in game too.
The offense was so horrible and put the defense in bad spots consistently, as well as on the field always. Don’t forget Buster Davis.
And to think the offense was just one player away
Oh what could have been…
by SCseminole on Aug 9, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Our 06 D was pretty good also
our last very good D IMO
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
And thank God for that!
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-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
There are some 2nd and 3rd year players who are decent
that will be passed by some of the 1st and 2nd year guys in the program soon. Part of having an SEC-type defense means if you’re not the best player at that position, you don’t play – except for mop-up or ST duty. And that would be your last season.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Karlos Williams
Do you think he will be on this depth chart by the start of the season? Will he be red shirted or a ST demon?
by nole your enemy on Aug 9, 2011 1:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He wont redshirt
He will get some ST duty and possibly some mop up
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Meant to have him ahead of bright
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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That’s what threw me off. Was thinking Stoops would armrest get him on the field against lesser comp. to get him a feel of the college game
by nole your enemy on Aug 9, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you're right, his arms are gonna be tired from reaching up to grab all those pic 6's
he’s gonna need to be armrested
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
Supposed to be atleast, damn auto correct strikes again. But I like the way you ran with it and picked me up from that
by nole your enemy on Aug 9, 2011 2:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
my grandmother is 5-6, 145 lbs and still has college eligibility you can put her above him too
too harsh? :)
Yes
If not for Him and Ochuko that fake punt might have worked….I’ll hate on Mangum all day before I hate on Bright because he actually did something postive for us…and it was against the Gata.
by fsugrizz on Aug 9, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair..
Mangum DID have a very solid tackle at the end of the Maryland (Pro Combat) game. Helped seal the game.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
Absolutely correct.
He sniffed out the fake and stuck to the TE/H-back. Incredible discipline on that play.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Video link?
Otherwise I’ll just consider he was faked and ended up tackling the right guy for the wrong reason..
by fsugrizz on Aug 9, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
you have wainsome as teh backup fc & commick as the 3rd bc -
any chance that avis steps into the fc role as needed to gain playing time?
im excited to see him finally get on the field…
None. Different skills
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either waisome or commack depending on the package
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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How did we end up being only 2 deep at each DE spot, but 4 deep at each tackle spot?
I know we have 3 studs coming in next season, but I’d still like to see more DEs fighting for playing time.
aaron lynch, corey miller, and corey lemonier
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Bama?
Ed Stinson
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While we're at it, let's add that fellow that ended up at UGA last year. Ray somebody?
He was never ours, but the fact is that many people assumed he was at first.
Ray Drew…had more stars than sacks.
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by Marmaduke1 on Aug 9, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ray Charles?
He had georgia on the mind the whole time
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by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Looking at all that, it's annoying how many DE we've missed on lately.
But I have a feeling this will be our year. Casher, Fowler, and Edwards. As we’ve seen, there’s no guarantees, but if we get those 3 it will do a lot to help me forget all the others.
He's a hell of a player, but his on-field vision is terrible
Sometimes I could swear he was playing with blinders on.
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by ricobert1 on Aug 9, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
and didn't mcallister play DE in HS?
is a huge pinch could he push outside?
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by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
McAllister is looking bigger/bulkier/DT-ier in his pics.
I actually think a guy like Dawkins would make a good “DT playing DE” candidate if we ran into such a pinch and needed to “play big”…
I think if FSU lost two guys at end it would play a 3 DT 1 DE look
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I think there are 3 players for 2 positions at S
FS – Terrance Parks
SS – LJ
Both backed up by Moody.
What are you glorifying with your life?
I was wondering who would really fill in if Joyner is on the sidelines
Is terrance brooks gonna be able to hold the fort?
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by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If Brooks plays like he did in HS he should
Very impressive athlete who is one of the fastest players on the team.
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I can't say - but he is not suited to the position in my opinion at all
I’d rather see Mike Harris back there in an emergency
I've seen enough of Moody
falling for play-action getting burned by slow white dude (thank you VT) to have the opinion I want moody as a downhill RB crusher and not a ball-hawking safety. So its less I want Demps and more I dont want Moody there.
Karlos Williams
Its just a matter of him learning the system before he will eventually start. He is the next Sean Taylor no doubt. He is a play maker in coverage and will come up in run support
I'm fine with this.
Minus getting trucked by Greg Jones, of course.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
Minus the other really sad thing as well.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
That's why he chose FSU
weak safety play. There is no lock for the other starting safety position.
He gets Interceptions. Stoops wants more turnovers. I think the safeties only got 1 interception last year and that was Nick Moody in the Maryland Game
he has nevetbeen asked to play the pass
His team sucked and faced almost all run Plays
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By the way
Lamarcus Joyner had an int too. And Jacoby McDaniel :)
I'm only 31 years old but feel like an Old Buc.
Go Noles
Go Bucs
Jacoby needs to step up big time in the passing game
Anything less than 5 INTs will be a disappointment.
Jacoby
will be a ball hawk this year :)
I'm only 31 years old but feel like an Old Buc.
Go Noles
Go Bucs
I love the depth chart but I do not think Bright should be ahead of Demps on the depth chart.
Demps is 200+lbs and does well playing ST. He was a good player at Lowndes too. Just based on ST play & the eyeball test, Demps > Bright imo
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Surprised Demps is still on the team?
And Bright for that matter?
No we need players like Demps that sacrifice their bodies on ST to block kicks for example imo
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
or when your worst scholarship player breaks up a fake punt attempt
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
bright tackled the punter in the florida game that tried to goofy foot it for the 1st down
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Partly the 40 yd line, partly Bright.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 9, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can we get that 40 yd line on scholarship?
by basaltrock on Aug 9, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
We can get the 40 yd line on scholarship
but only if we also give a scholarship to his high school teammate, the 10 yard line.
I am still waiting for Bright to blow up!
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I meant more that they haven't transfered on their own
I’m sure they see no real shot of much playing time.
will be next year
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If you say so
But he showed his ability to cover during the Under Armour Camp and picked off the nations best quaterback recruits. Do your research if your going to be a fan. He wasn’t the number 1 safety because he was just good in run support
by True Jag on Aug 9, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
You're trolling right?
Telling Bud to do his research on FSU football…
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
use the reply feature please to help keep the conversation easy to follow
and you might be a little off with your assumptions that Bud doesn’t do any research. Plus, one pick in an all star game does not a ball hawk make
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
And I love Los
but the ball was also tipped. I loved he got it and took it back. But in all honesty if your judging him by that game alone then other research should be done. A single AS game where people play different everything from schemes to positions is not how I would want to rate my recruits. Rather use their last couple of years in HS
A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
twitter of random stuff and tons of confessing FSU love @caine115
he is a freak athlete who ia far from polished
And the interception was off a tip and cane right to him. Thanks for playing.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 9, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah Bud, do some research. :)
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by Marmaduke1 on Aug 9, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
We might need to rec the cooment about Bud doing research
so I can find it once this thread gets to about 6000 comments
I'm only 31 years old but feel like an Old Buc.
Go Noles
Go Bucs
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by Nolesos Locos on Aug 9, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for playing?
And totally disappointed in the comeback.
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You stay classy
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by Pinto on Aug 9, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
On the 'Los side of the ledger,
He balled out all week in practice for the UA game (and was the talk of the entire camp). His moments during the game were the culmination of a great week, as opposed to making a couple of nice plays that came to him during the game.
Conversely, having sat through the OU, UNC and VT games watching our safeties (among other DBs) get torched all day long, let’s get ’Los acclimated to BCS pass defense before running him onto the field too early.
Finally someone has the balls to come out and say it...
…if its one thing this site needs, its more (and better) research. Come on Bud, et al., you are better than this…
Telling Bud to do research is like
telling Jeff Luc to do a push up. It might make you feel good until you realize who you are talking to.
I'm only 31 years old but feel like an Old Buc.
Go Noles
Go Bucs
by Old Buc on Aug 9, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'll rec this too
I’ve always believed Bud has no football knowledge and only landed this job because he’s a close family friend of the Bowdens.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 9, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Bud "The Guess" Elliott
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
I knew it!
Scott the “intern” has been propping Bud up this whole time.
Bud Elliot
the illegitimate son of Bobby Bowden.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 9, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Now THIS deserves further research
Begs the question… who is momma?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
It's obviously
Fiona Elliot. World-class badminton player.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 9, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
*if you're
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Aug 9, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Haha I love this, the double glasses get me.
The one you did for Cane Res was really funny.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 9, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
My biggest concern is if we lose one of our 4 DEs
Do we slide a 300 lbs Guy out and just go Full Iowa on teams?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Aug 9, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Do not forget Newberry. He is a beast! If Hicks, Germanator, Jenkins, Tank go down, he can step up
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
He's raw
If we’re depending on him we’re in trouble.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Did you see the recent pics of him? EJ also mentioned that he was doing well in practice
Looks like Coach Vic got Newberry bigger than 6’6 250lbs in the pictures.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Newberry just got on campus so Vic wouldn't have much to do with his size
I saw him in person a year ago at the grocery store. He looked like a legit 6’5 or 6’6’ and 250lbs then. He already meets Jimbo’s GAM requirement.
If we got into trouble
on defensive ends we could always move Dawkins back to end since he played that before moving to end. Then we could say we have the only 295 pound defensive end in football.
"The helmet doesn't make you, you make the helmet"- Jimbo Fisher
by Matt Champion on Aug 9, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
To quote
the esteemed Bud Elliot. “Size Matters.”
"The helmet doesn't make you, you make the helmet"- Jimbo Fisher
by Matt Champion on Aug 9, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
DE for Newberry, Tre Jackson is playing Oline for us but he also played DT in HS.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Tre is already as big
as some of our 3rd and 4th year OL. Huge man.
What are you glorifying with your life?
No mention of Toshmon?
I know he’s a welterweight, but I think they’d throw that old bag-o-bones Stevens into the mix before a true freshman as DE #5.
i mentioned this earlier
didn’t mcallister play DE in highschool? Could he possibly move outside?
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Radical Idea
And this would be WORST-injury case scenario, but we could use Holmes O or Bradham at rush ends and DTs for standard downs.
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 9, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
C Jones is built like a DE
Holmes looked huge in the background of one of the pictures as well
What?
Everybody knows you NEVER go full Iowa.
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 9, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Pics or its not quite as funny(still funny though )
2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!
I'll stand by my potentially overly-optimistic prediction
top-15 defense, with a chance at top-10.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 9, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
Very real possibility.
Remember UF when they jumped from #51 to #1 in DFEI from 2007 to 2008.
What are you glorifying with your life?
What's this "2007" and "2008" you speak of?
Is that German? I don’t understand.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 9, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
2007*, 2008*.................. *=vacated
in our minds
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What years?
After seeing PW holding Crystal the next thing I know some guy named Urban is crying in Doak. What’d I miss?
I just pre-ordered my SI 2012 FSU Championship Package.
by Jamil Dawson on Aug 9, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Liver damage and 4 cracked flat-screens.
2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!
by Scalpemall on Aug 9, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
LMAO
I had to leave my desk and walk outside after reading this, i was laughing so hard. Because its the truth, I lost some of my favorite shot glasses that way. But the shot glasses were the only reason I could even watch in the first place.
Nothing bad happened. We were all on vacation
by stop drop & nole on Aug 9, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Darn it
by stop drop & nole on Aug 9, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I love that
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
Travis Lewis (OLB for OU) out up to 8 weeks with a Broken Foot
This is pretty big news, he is arguably one of the top 3 players on the OU team.
http://www.crimsonandcreammachine.com/2011/8/9/2353339/ou-lb-travis-lewis-to-miss-up-to-8-weeks
This just in....
we landed on the moon!
I'm only 31 years old but feel like an Old Buc.
Go Noles
Go Bucs
by Old Buc on Aug 9, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I searched the page for "Travis Lewis" before posting
didn’t see anything… still don’t except the article on the side of the page.
It's alright, thanks for posting
Hard to keep up with all the comments sometimes.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Some say we didn't, moon landing filmed in California desert with no shadows
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Didnt you see Transformers 3?
The TRUE cover-up was that we found alien lifeforms on the moon and thats why we havent been back.
Yeah I'm definitely not happy one of their players got injured........
I would like to beat them at full strength so there is no excuses when we win. Plus I don’t root for opposing players to get injured, imagine Bradham being injured for 8 weeks or something. Speedy recovery for the kid, hopefully he is able to play in the FSU game.
I expect Corey Nelson will fill in fine for Lewis
Kids a scary talent.
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No worries for OU, 'cause Tom Wort can step right in and stop the FSU offense he calls "simplistic".
Now he can try to back up his mouth as a starter.
It's OUR time! - Jeff Spicoli
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 9, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can’t wait to simply run it down their GD throats
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 9, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
EJ Manual, the Wort remover.
It's OUR time! - Jeff Spicoli
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 9, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
aTm and MO showed us how.
It's OUR time! - Jeff Spicoli
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 9, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That means they'll be expecting it.
Taking a page from the JB playbook, let’s surprise them with a lot of jump balls.
I'm so glad this is funny now.
Six years ago I would’ve logged off and kicked somebody’sdog.
I just pre-ordered my SI 2012 FSU Championship Package.
by Jamil Dawson on Aug 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Or dig deep in the playbook
and go half-back pass (left/right) or run it up the gut.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
"aTm" should never follow a post about running it down someone's throat.
Just sayin’.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Aug 10, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I know two girls that disagree
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 10, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
NOL requests that something is saved for him.
I just pre-ordered my SI 2012 FSU Championship Package.
Nick Moody...
I believe could turn out to be a star for us on defense at his new position. Everyone knew all along that he was playing out of position because it was very clear that his strengths were playing down-hill against the run and destroying ball-carriers or receivers in the short field. Now that he has finally moved into a position that I feel will be a much more natural fit, I think he has a real opportunity to make a huge impact and be a big time enforcer for us.
Agree totally
Hope Stoops uses the team strengths to cover the pass protection weaknesses here
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
I think Nick will get his,
Just later in the season. I think the Joyner move is a direct response to playing 3 no-huddle spread-types in the first 4 weeks. Once we play regular offenses, I expect Moody to spell or even start over Parks, assuming he progresses on the mental stuff.
Also, since Joyner is smaller his injury chance is higher, so having an experienced Moody/Parks behind him is a great luxury.
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 9, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Joyner is one tough sommabitch.
I think out of everyone on the team, I’m worried about him getting hurt the least.
He hits like a freight train.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
No, it isn't. It's scary.
It's OUR time! - Jeff Spicoli
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 9, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you misunderstood him.
He said G5 puts heisman candidates to sleep.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 9, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
Jesse Palmer is an idiot. Where'd he go to school?
Who would give a diploma to such a baffoon.
It does make one wonder
Why he has given us more love than other guys over the past few years.
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 9, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yea...
unfortunately he’s one of the few who gets it…
by garnetandgold on Aug 9, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I didn't like the guy back in the day when I just thought he was a Canadian well-dressed mediocre QB...but he's the most insightful/knowledgeable guy they have.
He’s still a metrosexual, but he knows his football. Anyone hating on him is obviously not listening to the content (or doesn’t know shinola).
by lawdy15 on Aug 10, 2011 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for metrosexual.
Even if that’s not someone that has sex with mass transportation vehicles, or city buildings….it’s still funny.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 10, 2011 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I hope everyone knows I was kidding and my comment was based purely on where he went to school.
I have been really impressed with Palmer as an analyst. Especially amazed at how unbiased he is regarding FSU.
Of course, Corso will always be my favorite ESPNer.
That achievement award given to him last year
was amazingly emotional. It was cool to see his crew rally behind him after his stroke.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Joyner has blazing speed also
Reminds me of Benny Blades
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yea he's a real rocket, man
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He juked so fast, it was like a flicker
A real candle in the wind, that one.
by Invictus13 on Aug 9, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dang beat me to it
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yea he was like trying to catch smoke
from a candle in the wind
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
when he got the ball in his hands
you could pretty much say goodbye yellow brick road
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
SATTADAY! SAAATTTTAAADAY! SATTADAY!
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by NorFla_Nole on Aug 10, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
he still feels the pain
from the scars that won’t heal. He can see Wilder waiving good-bye. Must be the stars in his eyes.
It is better to fail honorably than to succeed by deceit.
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 10, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
*Joyner.
It is better to fail honorably than to succeed by deceit.
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 10, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Bud - quick question
Do you (or any of the other contributors) have plans to do a detailed comparison of position depth and player stats as they stand right before opening weekend versus what you had described in the MSP preview? I think it would be helpful to see the minor changes and results of position battles that occurred over the summer practice period.
Involves too much research
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Aug 9, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That is an insane amount of work
I believe you’ve just signed yourself up to do this.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Really? I only had in mind weight and depth chart changes.
by AmplifiedJ on Aug 9, 2011 5:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on Aug 9, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Here's a couple surface level numbers that are kind of neat
FSU’s Oline + Pryor, outweigh OU’s front 7 by 30 lbs (1780 – 1750)
FSU’s front 7 out weigh OU’s Oline + 250lb FB by 111 lbs. (1871 – 1760)
Not to mention that EJ is bigger than all their LB’s and one of their DE’s
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
can you compare just the lines?
It's OUR time! - Jeff Spicoli
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 9, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Reid is the only guy on our team whose name they know
And they know it only because he had been committed to the Gates before he pulled the switcharoo.
funny how little these 'experts' really know about college football -
they just read the front page of rivals etc and repeat ‘player x is great’
its like a flock of parrots w/ hair gel…
Damn it feels good..
to be a Nole… I really wish I wasn’t going to miss much of this season. I have to find a way to record all these games. Hopefully I can catch a couple of them in Kuwait.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
On a slightly different note but still related....
I took everyones advice here, I pushed up my wedding from Sep 21st to tomorrow so it is never during the football season. At least no one can ever question where my loyalty resides.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
by YouNoleIt on Aug 9, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We ended up scrapping our wedding because of sports and just did JOP instead.
by FSU on Aug 9, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He married me once – And it better be only once if he knows what’s good for him.
by FSU on Aug 9, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
TN commenter FSU is a girl
Just because someone sounds incredibly knowledgeable about Florida State football doesn’t mean they must be a dude, you chauvinist. Pull your head out of your a$$. :)
haha no hes just a bad influence
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by NorFla_Nole on Aug 11, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
That is actually what I am doing....
her getting 2 rings i’m sure helps ease her mind… but I figure maybe FSU gets a ring in the next year or 2 so I’ll deal…
Rings for everyone!!!
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
That is exactly what we did...
We will have the ceremony nect Sep 21st In Chicago but that will be a one time deal. Our anniversary will actually be Aug 10th from here on out. Not in football season. Funny thing is…I actually get to celebrate my one year anniversary before I have my wedding ceremony and honeymoon. I know this all seems strange…. but for FSU and a girl who understands my love for FSU….it’s worth it.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Congratulations on the wedding!
And thank you for serving! Be safe over there!
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
by UCFBoilerNole on Aug 9, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
How long you going over-seas?
Assume you are serving, so much appreciated!
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
^ months...
and by ^ months I mean 6.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
thank you for your service!
I hope that you tune in to as many FSU games as possible!
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 9, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I will try my best, the wife is going to record them all as well so I can watch them all again.
I hope that guy on Veetle has that channel up again all year like last year… I will take full advantage of that program everyday… Ithankyou!!
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Who are the 3 freshmen most likely to get PT on D, if any do?
Mine:
1. Jenkins
2. Williams
3. Jernigan
Jernigan
Erving
Waisome
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Forgot about Waisome, who is the most likely of all to get PT
Erving I didn’t think about b/c I was thinking true freshmen, but yes I expect Erving to get plenty of PT too.
Arrington Jenkins is your top guy?
Do explain.
I would change that to Waisome
If we consider RS freshmen, then you add Cam Erving and Nigel T.
Jerningan is on the 4-deep and I’m not sure which of the guys ahead of him he might bump. McCallister? I’m not sure we’ll rotate 4 deep at DT.
Williams depends upon how quickly he can pick up the schemes and know his assignments. He also has 2 very veteran guys ahead of him.
I don’t think we’re as deep at LB as we are across the line or in the secondary, and I can see someone getting injured and Jenkins making it into the two deep. Isn’t he older than all of the other LBs anyway? Nigel T. hasn’t played a down and Luc hasn’t played much. So, yeah, I think Jenkins might challenge breaking into the 2-deep and see some snaps. Depends on how the new guys perform and injuries.
These two pieces (defense and offense camp questions) are really good simply because of the credibility of TN. Its not some weak sauce “lets make positive things seem like problem/questions” piece. TN shoots it straight and there’s nowhere else I would go for FSU analysis. My compliments may get old, but TN earns it every time.
When its hard to know what positives are being fluffed by over-eager emotion, its seems sometimes better to focus on the hard questions to gain a measure of team improvement.
"I'm the one with big mistakes, big regrets and bigger breaks than I'd ever care to confess. Oh, but You're the one who looks at me and sees what I was meant to be - more than just a beautiful mess. - Matthew West
by FSUvaFan on Aug 9, 2011 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Dont agree with this snippet
We know Vince Williams is in the mix to start at Mike, but Luc was listed on the most recent depth chart as the backup at Will. This isn’t that big of a deal, because the Will in the over front is basically a second Mike
Mike in an Over front is a 2-gap player essentially, a prototype LB. Will gets walked out more and is generally a better coverage guy.
not so much in zone
he’ll have the same responsibilities as the Sam
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 9, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You'll still play some M2M
nobody plays zone all the time.
and the Hook/Curl zone is the same for Sam and Will until you start rotating coverages to Hook/Force and flats
by DrB on Aug 9, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, perhaps I have my terminology wrong. As it was explained to me, the Will will take on blockers more and the Mike will run free (250lb will, 215lb mike).
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Will can take them on more, if he's playing over the bubble
while Mike is somewhat protected behind the Nose in an Overshifted front. Mike is still the one that is always gonna be in the box.
But Will often has to be walked out to the slot for leverage (whether you play zone or man you still have leverage to worry about), and the slot is almost always weakside. When that happens you have to shift Mike over to help with that bubble, so he’s a 2-gapper.
by DrB on Aug 9, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'll settle this
Mike can go to the box as long as I get to be in the slot.
by SDnole on Aug 10, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that works out
because Will is all over that tight end
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 10, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Offense: Surprised to not see Gehres listed
amongst medically DQ’d and now student-coaches. Staff must see something then in him.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Hope he makes it, but that was
supposed to be a pretty devastating injury. I would imagine he would have to take a medical redshirt this year and hope for playing time next year.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 9, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, he just looks like a Nole.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 9, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Joyner to have a big year!
I understand this will be Joyners first year as a starter, and moving from corner to safety is usually tough to do, but Joyner is a freak athlete, that has cover ability and isn’t affraid to come up and play run support. Really excited about this years secondary and Dline.
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