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Florida State Film Review: Charleston Southern

This week's film review will be short as we are forward-looking to the Oklahoma game. You can learn a few things from this game, but for the most part, there isn't much new to know about FSU. What did our staff see from the Seminoles' 62-10 stomping of CSU?

Overall

  • FSU did prep a lot last week for Oklahoma, and even though the coaches told the players to take CSU seriously, it didn't appear the message took. Honestly, how could it? You prep for one team for 80% of the practice only to turn around and play the team for which you used 20% of practice time. 
  • The crowd support was excellent for this game. We were thinking 60,000 people. We were wrong.

Offense

  • Jimbo again had the shackles on EJ. He did not have any designed runs. We're not against this strategy, because he absolutely needs to rep the passing game. It's just important to note that the running game is entirely different when EJ is a real threat to run (especially for the backs because an additional defender is accounted for due to the defense needing to check EJ). In big games, he will run more than ever before. 
  • EJ definitely stared down his receivers at times. I do think this is understated and it is very difficult to tell which receiver he is looking at when he is looking to one side of the field featuring more than one receiver. The majority of his throws were good, and his misses were OK for the most part.
  • The interior of the offensive line did not play well. Jacob Fahrenkrug looked quite poor at center, again, and seemed to lack intensity. FSU swapped Bryan Stork (guard) and Krug early in the second half. This move seemed to work. On the first play at guard, Fahrenkrug got an enormous pancake block. I bet this sticks even though FSU's depth chart didn't reflect it tiday. Still, Fahrenkrug and Spurlock must step up the intensity. We think they will. We're not so sure about the cohesiveness of a group that has not played together all that much so far this season.
  • They definitely missed some run calls. Had to have. Some of these plays just don't make sense otherwise from a numbers and angles standpoint. These mental errors should not be tolerated, but it's better to have them now so that the staff can get them fixed.
  • The receivers played well and continue to progress. Kudos to coach Dawsey. Rashad Greene is going to be a star for Florida State. The whole young group of skill guys really impressed (O'Leary, Greene, Green, Freeman) and FSU is in very good hands.
  • The running backs were not great, but again, you have to wonder about the intensity. At least they didn't get EJ killed and did take care of blitz protection.

Defense

  • This is a very talented defense. Like the offense, however, it didn't seem to play with great intensity and focus. There were a few QB read plays hat CSU moved, but not many. 
  • It was great to see the young players get a lot of run in this game. They did play with good intensity and CSU didn't drive the ball all that well. 
  • The defense didn't force a turnover, but had few opportunities to do so as CSU didn't throw many balls.

Star-divide

In their own words...

Nole Thru & Thru

I was really encouraged by the WR unit as a whole. Routes were run well for the most part and the downfield blocking was definitely a bright spot. In fact the WR blocking was so obviously good that the "announcers" even commented on it. Rodney Smith was my player of the game based on his catches and TD, his ability to run good routes and get open all game long, and particluarly his judgement on when to throw blocks and when to avoid blocking in the back, something a lot of collegiate WRs fall prey to.

Kenny Shaw looked great- he reminds me so much of Kez McCorvey in his route running and his awareness. I've long felt like Rashad Greene would outshine Kelvin Benjamin at FSU and he looks like he'll be a very good one down the line. Bert Reed was dependable, Haggins and Dent made plays, even Christian Green got into the act and showed some speed (but not endurance).

I know others are going to rave about Jernigan so I won't elaborate much on him, though I do believe he has an excellent chance to go down in FSU history as one of the most dominant DL we've had. I bet those Nole fans who believed he would redshirt feel silly now having seen him in action (albeit in practice and against weak competition). I was also quite impressed with Terrance Brooks and Dan Hicks. Brooks is showing that he can really hit and position himself well and he looks to be a solid contributor at the safety position. Hicks is flying under the radar once again and will prove to be an asset as he spells Jenkins. He's such a hard worker and proof that under a competent coach, hard work can translate into solid contributions.

Now on to the not so good- I will only touch on these as I am sure others will do much more thorough analyzation:

-EJ concerns me with how often he stares down his WRs. CSU dropped at least 3 more surefire INTs in addition to the one that lead to their TD. I'm sure the OU gameplan will look much different but EJ isn't ready to be a dropback pocket passer. We all know his strength is mobility and I know we will see a lot of it, but I'm still concerned. He needs to position his feet better on medium-long range throws as well.

-OL needs to gel better, particularly on the interior. Fahrenkrug got beat like a drum several times at C, I think he may be better suited at G with Stork at C.

-I wasnt particularly impressed with any of the RBs not named Lonnie Pryor. FSU is really going to miss Lonnie when he graduates, hell of a talent and team player.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

In general, we didn't learn much from these pre-season games other than we've still got questions on the interior OL and EJ's not yet the world's greatest passer. I'm really excited about our next crop of WR's, some really good players will come out of that group. Keeping my fingers crossed that Bert and Rodney can be as dependable and consistent in the real games as they have been the last two weeks. I'm afraid we may not have any really dominant interior DL just yet. They're all big and good, but may not have a shining star this year. Can't wait to see how Jernigan does against real competition and still holding out hope that Dawkins will take over a game or two.

Oh, one more thought about the preseason. I'm not nearly as worried about our backup QB situation as I was a month ago.

EvenFlow

Mabye somebody smart than me can convince me otherwise but if we lose to OU by less than 10 I'll be impressed. I'm very worried about the fact that our line does such a poor job of run blocking. I'm sure it won't look so bad with EJ running the ball because you are schematically blocking a defender but I'm worried we will be stuck in 3rd and long for most of the game. I only really watched the first half but our run blocking was atrocious. I don't know if it's lack of chemistry or poor technique but we should have been able to run pretty much every down against this team and that didn't happen. Count me as pessimistic about next week.

FSUVaFan

The "What to Watch" section from the game previews should be taken very literally and these past two games should be looked at through those lenses. I have to remind myself this as I unrealistically expect every CSU DL to be blown off the ball every snap. Unfortunately, the things we were hoping for, sharpness and execution, were obviously lacking at certain points of the game by the Oline and EJ's passing.

Krug had at least 2 holding calls in the first half. Another time he almost whiffed a DT (still didn't get a good block and allowed penetration. I'm pretty concerned about him once he goes up against elite talent. Shedding a tear for the lack of Hudson right now.

EJ had some accuracy issues and stared down a WR that led to our pick and the end of our shutout. What is going to happen when the defense is fielded with better talent and better coaching? As I try to console myself: we've seen EJ play better against tougher competition. Once teams are forced to respect his legs I think we'll see better production from the Offense. Even though the teams had been loading the box to stop the run against us, there's a difference between spying and loading the box against the run... at least i'm hoping we have that for us in the upcoming game.

Looked to me like Jimbo wanted to work on slant routes in the endzone, we had a good bit of them, some successful some not.

Rico

I don't want to sound negative, but FSU should consider not running any inside zone runs this year.

OBR

Everyone knows Greene was burning a horrible team, but it looks like he has at least earned a few snaps with the starters, even against OU. Would like to see him stay on the kick off return team at a minimum. Receivers over all looked fine.

EJ still has some timing and decision issues. Sometimes looks like he trusts his arm too much.

The o-line with Krug at center is a mess. Krug doesn't mess up on every play but when he does, it is God awful. Run blocking is of course much worse than pass blocking. I would not doubt at all that Stork stays at center. While a small set of data, the drive with Krug back at guard and Stork at center, everything at least looked serviceable. Krug's strength can be seen on display and Stork's snaps were much better.

Jermaine Thomas probably earned some quality playing time in this game. He will still be a factor in the run game as the year wears on. Wilder wasn't a super star but for a guy getting first game reps with the second team o-line I think he did just fine. Think he will be a great change up to the other backs and at this point I see no reason to think the coaches won't let him try at least another year at RB.

I'm surprised at this point O'Leary hasn't got more time with the 1s. Think it is possible we might have to wait on him having big receiving games for a bit into the season. Unless he is truly is the secret weapon this Saturday.

Defense will of course be tested next week. Was encouraging to see that every time CSU QB dropped back to pass the d-ends were headed his way in a hurry. We'll see if they can repeat that against a real o-line with a QB that can get rid of the ball ridiculously quick. Should point out Werner and Jernigan win the award for "Big Guys That Run Fast." In two weeks of action we have had a chance to see the FSU db's do almost nothing. They have not been tested, at all. Could be a rude awakening this weekend but hopefully they will be prepared and able to stick with talented WRs for longer than a few seconds. We have seen enough from the d-line and the linebackers to believe that OU will have an even tougher time against the run than they did last year. But we all know that isn't exactly their bread and butter.

Really don't think we learned very much from this game other than the fact that the coaches, of course, are aware of the problems on the o-line. Evidence in the shuffling in the second half. Not sure if anyone one saw it, but I saw a #24 hobbling off the field in pain after the last EJ touchdown x-point. There are two #24's, Lonnie Pryor and Terrance Smith. Nothing against T. Smith but I hope it was him in pain walking off the field.

Fsued

Don't really have any thoughts on the CS game that haven't been articulated. My mind started wandering to thoughts on how to scheme OU.

It seems pretty clear that I formation/shotgun zone read handoffs are not going to be very successful.

This game reminds me of some old Bowden-era games where we passed to set up the run (thinking about 1980 Pitt game in particular). I would expect to see a very high percentage of first-down passing in this game. I must say, I've been blown away by our receivers' play -- at least in term of drops (or the lack thereof).

Was very disappointed in D. Freeman's play Saturday. Not that it shouldn't be expected, given his youth, but he missed some great cutback opportunities. Thompson looks gimpy and Ty just isn't very explosive. We're going to have to throw to win --running success will probably come from EJ.

Defensively, in addition to turnovers, which is always on the list, the other huge key to this game will be red zone defense. Got to make them kick at least a couple FGs down there, and hopefully force a turnover.

Nattylite

Definitely like Stork at center and Krug at guard, but I really don't know what to think about this o'line yet. Yeah, they've looked bad at times against the respective competition, but I really can't tell if that's because they are trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole or not. It's almost like the coaches are just calling plays to practice them, not calling plays they think will take the defense off guard or have a higher percentage win rate at the LOS.

Same goes for the passing game. I'm sure EJ still has check downs, but it almost looks like they are predetermining at least what type of throw they want him to make on each play.

Still sticking with my Freeman is the Future campaign, however the kid didn't have a stellar game against CSU. It was nice to see Wilder get some reps too and he succeeded in at least not breaking their 174lb linebacker.

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Question about staring down receivers

Is it ok to stare down a receiver in single man coverage when the safety is on the other side of the field? The corner isn’t looking at the QB’s eyes, and no one else is around to help, so wouldn’t it actually be better to look at that guy to make sure you throw it exactly when & where you want to? I guess a short route could give a LB or something a reason to jump into the lane, but on a deep single coverage route, is there any harm?

by sonofagunn on Sep 12, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, if you’ve got man, stare away.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going on a limb here

I think FSU fans will be pleasantly satisfied with what they see on the field this upcoming Saturday.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Sep 12, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

reasonable fans

are these the ones who look at statistics Monday-Friday, but on Saturday drink a 12 pack and scream until they lose their voice at the game? JK… although I like to think of myself as a reasonable fan, just pointing out that reasonable fans approaches an oxymoron—fan is short for fanatic, etc.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Sep 13, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truthfully ...

… I think there is a wide range of potential outcomes in this game.

by Fsued on Sep 12, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Win or lose

I’m hoping for a back and fourth, tough, knock down drag out game like one might see in a really good SEC or Big10 match up. I’m not predicting a win, although one would be nice, but hoping for a really close and competitive game. I think it’s unfair that some people, who I’ve seen on other boards, judge whether FSU is back or not by whether they beat the #1 team in the Country…

by YourWifeMyKids on Sep 12, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair,

if we are indeed “back,” we would undoubtedly be disappointed in any loss.

by arrdub on Sep 12, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rather than being "back"

I hope this (and future) CFJ lead team(s) can establish its own identity of an elite status and not try live up to the expectations of the 90’s. But rather start its own dynasty under Coach Fisher.

by YourWifeMyKids on Sep 12, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's made this a point

Fisher usually throws in the “respect for the past, but they need to make their own mark” comment, which I love. One of the most annoying things during the Lost Decade was the idiotic “we’re back!” shouts after any win.

by Nolesos Locos on Sep 12, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

A win would mean I'd be pleasantly satisfied, but the transitive property of mathmatics does not necessarily apply

I will admit that I can be pleasantly surprised by a very strong showing in this game, even if we don’t win.

They are, after all, the number one team in the nation, and we are not.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Sep 12, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

reced for saying "I'm a douchebag"

kidding mostly

"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock

by truecolors on Sep 12, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that.

Not a philosophy or logic major, but I gather the takeaway is I think clearly, but don’t know the terminology?

I’ll take that any day of the week.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Sep 14, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope we put on a good show this weekend.

From Gameday till the end of the fourth quarter I hope FSU is represented well.

by Blake Davis on Sep 12, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

in Cameron's words...."we must MAAAAINTAIN!!!"

"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."

by SmoothCrimiNole on Sep 12, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope we use Lonnie on wheel routes. The OU fanbase think their D can't stop the wheel route.

FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of death." - Nick Saban

by goatnole76 on Sep 12, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

I wouldn’t be surprised to see some plays for Pryor to match up with their small linebackers.

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.....Thomas Jefferson

"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference." - President Harry S. Truman

by DocHoliday2 on Sep 13, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also hope OU doesn't have any superstar lip readers.

I noticed that when EJ looks for the play call he moves his lips/speaks it as he’s getting the call. Of course, it’s probably all code anyway, but…

Partially kidding. He does do this, but I don’t know if it could be a tell.

by jasonole59 on Sep 12, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Question

I didn’t get to see Wilder play, but his stats were way better than any of the other backs.

Why isn’t there more love?

by Jobu. on Sep 12, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

If they didn't, they were flat worn out by the time Wilder got his burn.

FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of death." - Nick Saban

by goatnole76 on Sep 12, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention that long run the really should have been called back on the last play of the game. which accounted for the majority of his yards

"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."

by SmoothCrimiNole on Sep 12, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think most people were surprised Wilder even ran that play

I guess Secord got his three hand offs versus Sanford last year, so he needed a hand-off rep this year too.

by stevib on Sep 12, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had one long run at the end, but none of us mentioned him. He ran into the back of his linemen a lot and showed very little vision.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seriously believe he was told to do that.

“Gump it”

˙uʍop ǝpısdn sı pʃɹoʍ ǝɥ⊥.

by harper.rb on Sep 12, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So did

Ty, Freeman and Thompson.

by Ocalanole on Sep 12, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

its a conspiracy

and jimbo is taking this ‘dont show much’ concept too far and actually told the backs to run very average like

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Sep 12, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

whicjh is odfdd because when you watch his HS film

he obviously is looking for holes to hit. I know there is a big difference in college and HS but he played like he was told to just plow up the middle and take what you can get.

by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 12, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

Team work make the dream work

by lloydg on Sep 12, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree...even given poor competition, speed of the game is still too fast for him to have good vision

"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."

by SmoothCrimiNole on Sep 12, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

really, one game, you've made that call?

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 12, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

SmoothCrimiNole is actually

the ghost of the late, great Walter Payton.

by coonhound on Sep 12, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, well then all is well.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 12, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s saying that he isn’t comfortable with the speed of the game yet. Will be with more reps.

by Todd F Packer on Sep 13, 2011 9:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wasn't disappointed in Wilder

My primary concern was his speed, and he looked plenty fast to me. He did seem to make contact, but I wonder how many holes were really opened for him?

by coonhound on Sep 12, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s fast. But is he quick? Not a fan of backs who take too long to get up to top speed.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I actually was more impressed with him watching a bit of the replay last night.

Seemed to have a little bit of explosiveness/acceleration along with the long strides.

by arrdub on Sep 12, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then again,

I though Ty Jones was a really good back based on what I saw last year… so now I am questioning my eyes.

Is it all line or has that guy really regressed? And, if so, why?

by arrdub on Sep 12, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he has not run hard.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looked soft.

Especially once Devonta came in. Night and Day.

by coonhound on Sep 12, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its weird

because I too thought that when Ty was on his game he looked like a good back last year. Thought he has lacked intensity and quickness so far this year

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Sep 12, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone else think that Jermaine Thomas may end up being a surprise player for us this weekend?

We need someone to step up at RB this weekend. I don’t see Ty being the guy – he hasn’t done much. Thompson still appears less than 100 percent and doesn’t have his explosiveness, probably because of the back. I think most of us expect DFree to be the future and were hoping he’d make an impact this year, and I think he will, but not sure this is where it happens. JT is experienced and, even though he’s not spectacular at anything, I think he might turn it on and give us a hard, consistent effort this weekend, given the chance.

Call it a gut call…just a thought I had. Throwing it out there.

by lawdy15 on Sep 12, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been a big fan of his since the Miami game last year.

I know he has fallen out of favor on this site, but I hope he can get it back together this season. I suspect that if CT doesn’t come back from his injury 100% then he will fall from grace in these parts pretty quickly as well.

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by devnole on Sep 12, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thomas really seemed to bring some fire to the running attack

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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 13, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure on the quickness. I’d have to see him play behind an average or better run-blocking line. He did keep pace with Rashad on his TD. And when he cut on his big run to end the game, he turned it on quick.

by coonhound on Sep 12, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I see is Eddie George.

If he can watch that guy and practice how he ran….get out of the way!

by pb4957 on Sep 12, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes he did! I'm still a supporter of the "Wilder for RB" campaign.

That’s my story until I see otherwise…

He will be a great RB for us IMO just needs to learn the schemes etc.

"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock

by truecolors on Sep 12, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully O'Leary will abuse their LB's.

FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of death." - Nick Saban

by goatnole76 on Sep 12, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

It doesnt matter ii you were kidding

that was f*cked up

'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'

by jskipnole on Sep 12, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad

ment to to reply to yourwifemykids

'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'

by jskipnole on Sep 12, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ratio of INT v fumbles?
•The defense didn’t force a turnover, but had few opportunities to do so as CSU didn’t throw many balls.

Is this to assume that most turnovers are INTs or fumbles off of passing plays? Just wondering if that is the inference, and if so what is the data? Interesting if true

Also, GREAT point by OBR that we have learned basically nothing about the secondary in two games. Saturday will be verrrrry interesting

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by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 12, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I need to edit that. It should read they didn’t throw many downfield.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a preferred matchup that we want in terms of our corners vs their wide receivers?

Ryan Broyles scares the bejesus out of me, especially if he is matched up vs Greg Reid all day. Greg has improved a lot since last years OU game, but id feel much more confident if we had Harris on him. What side of the field does Broyles usually play?

by dream catcher on Sep 12, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

FSU doesn’t do that. They play field and boundary


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. That's on Trickett.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Sep 12, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait....

Maybe we’ve now figured out the explanation for why Timmy J was the toast of the town in the offseason… Krug’s garbage. And if we discount TJ’s performances against ULM and CSU (due to them being garbage)… we’ve got crap on OL and DL, to boot.

Woohoo!

by arrdub on Sep 12, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

no idea, but my jesus they were on display for two weeks straight,

he is crap in space. He needs to be able to line up and know that he needs to annihilate the guy in front of him. Not go looking or the right LB to hit. When he is tasked with getting to the second level it is absolutely horrific to watch. However, I think he will be a true mauler when playing at guard. I’m talking blowing guys 10 yards off the line when he doesn’t have to overthink stuff.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 12, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they were missed.

I think it was to get him some real reps, just in case somebody goes down.

FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of death." - Nick Saban

by goatnole76 on Sep 12, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

I would really like to think Stork and Krug have been working at center. There have been some decent reviews of Barron also for a freshman

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.....Thomas Jefferson

"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference." - President Harry S. Truman

by DocHoliday2 on Sep 13, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

shhhhh ;)


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playing Center is very complicated...

It’s the most difficult position on the line because the center has to relay blocking assignments to the rest of the O-line so he has to know everyone else’s job first hand, as well as his. Also, the chemistry just isn’t their yet. The Oline needs time to mesh with one another in game situations. Plus like steadfast said (game day jitters); It’s a lot different playing in a packed stadium than on a practice field. He has also never played Center before which is another hill to climb. He was recruited as a Gaurd (which I thought would be more of his natural position). I thought from the beginning that our O-line would be much better suited if he was moved back to Gaurd and someone like Stork be moved to Center… But he’ll come along if Trickett decides to keep him their. He just needs to get more reps..

by zone3nole on Sep 12, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe he was recruited as a center, actually, and started out as a center three years ago.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

His snaps are consistent(ly too low)

Which forces EJ to drop his head, which theoretically (slightly) impairs EJ’s ability to rapidly diagnose post-snap coverage shifts.

I know the consensus around here was that McMahon was nothing special, but I’m sure we’d all love an extra year of him right about now.

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by fsu44 on Sep 12, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stork’s?


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

no meant krug

sorry

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by fsu44 on Sep 12, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

While it's normal for the center to call out blocking assignments, Krug was not doing it. I'm positive Datko was doing it the first game and pretty sure he was also calling out the protection this last game as well.

I also think, if the move to guard is made, he will be better suited because he won’t have to worry about snapping the ball. He will have momentum from the moment the ball is snapped. I haven’t watched the replay, but I did notice he was just standing around looking for someone to block on a few plays. Of course that could also be due to the caliber of opponent.

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by FrankDNole on Sep 12, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Co-sign

I was reasonably sure I saw Datko doing it again against Chuck South.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Sep 12, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 12, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

indeed.

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by FSUvaFan on Sep 12, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if Stork is moved to Center will he make the line calls instead of Datko? Datko might be the smartest guy on the o line but I don’t like a tackle making the calls if it can be avoided.

by Todd F Packer on Sep 13, 2011 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Will wait till PBP is done later in the week, but wasn’t Zebrie garbage once again too?

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by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 12, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't see that at all

Thought he was good in pass pro (albeit, poor competition). Didn’t see him on run plays though, honestly.

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by ricobert1 on Sep 12, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is next behind Spurlock at G?

I’m glad his head has lasted through 2 games, but he is not the same player he was 2 years ago. At least, from my perspective. I remember a nasty, edgy player. Now I see him whiff on screen plays… and whiff badly.

by coonhound on Sep 12, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, that is closer to his normal style

Overly aggressive with many whiffs.

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by ricobert1 on Sep 12, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe it's Faircloth.......

And the coaching staff has been pretty high on him all spring and summer. I’m guessing he is the first OLineman off the bench if any of the starters get injured……….the 6th man if you will.

by NoleFanAtUCF on Sep 12, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for this opener:
Of course he’s not ready to be a straight up drop back passer. That’s not his strength which is why Jimbo pretty much ran passing drills in the first two games.

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by ricobert1 on Sep 12, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been surprised that NOL hasn't been more of a presence so far...

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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 12, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unleash the Irishman!

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by Nattylite on Sep 12, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

super duper secret weapon...

TE drags, sticks and screens all day.

Go Noles >>>-------->>>--------}}}----------------->

by hardcorenole on Sep 12, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just having a little fun....

I live 3 hours away from Norman and they are unbearable.

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by hardcorenole on Sep 12, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

:)

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by FSU on Sep 12, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got a kick out of the CSU coach calling trick plays to get points

I was shocked on their touchdown. It was a great, great play, but absolutely no reason to show that in a game they were already out of, and meant nothing. If it was first quarter, sure you say let’s let it all hang out even though we’re likely to lose. It seemed stupid to put that out there for conference opponents to see, but then I came around on it.

You bring your kids in to get their brains bashed in, and if you have a chance for them to get in the endzone or kick a field goal in front of tens of thousands in a legendary college football site, you do it. Is winning a conference game in front of 2000 people really going to equal the thrill to the kids that were on the field for that touchdown.

I want to be cynical, that in a way it’s a job audition for the staff and that some creative play calling might turn a few heads. But that’s not going to matter if you don’t win in your conference.

I like the idea that they let it all hang out to give the kids a once-in-a-lifetime thrill, even if it might prove negative for the coaches.

by LouC on Sep 12, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm no analyst, but that was a beautiful play

The tight end ran parallel with the line for like 10 yards, acting like he was gonna pick up a blocker for the RB, then just took a couple steps right past the defenders and turned around for the catch. Patrick Nix may not be the best OC or even a very good one, but that play was nice.

by stevib on Sep 12, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

not sure that going from UM to CSU isn't a step up.

Maybe he wanted to work at a school with a stadium, a budget, and an alumni base that knows the difference between football and soccer.

by PeachTreeNole on Sep 13, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

joyner

moved in to stop the run and let him go by.

by Ocalanole on Sep 12, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

total truth

Joyner let the TE run right by him.

by Bokata on Sep 12, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have seen that play quite a bit in the past

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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 13, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

did u see those CSU fans (all 30 of em) when they scored that TD?

They were dancing in the stands like they just won the Super Bowl. I was happy for em.

by vickers8 on Sep 12, 2011 5:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I thought it was a good lesson for Joyner to learn

Let the 7 unblocked guys in front of you make the tackle.

by FSUActuary on Sep 12, 2011 5:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

this^

Exactly my thought when CSU scored, it was a good lesson.

by fsu2wall on Sep 12, 2011 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And nobody was more upset about that play than LJ.

FSU - 3
Chuck South - 2

Why? Jimbo wants to prove he can win by that score.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 12, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

A good lesson for an aggressive, hard-working, hard-playing kid.

It’s his natural instinct to be a go-getter, so this was definitely a good lesson.

by lawdy15 on Sep 12, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was impressed with the WR play

Rashad can be a star this year – just throw him the D#@ Ball

C. Green looked really good in the open field – balance issues notwithstanding

G. Dent showed moves too and some speed

K. Shaw showed some speed and precision

Haggins – does not seem that atheletically gifted to me – but should be a good zone target – Jimbo chewed him out on the diving catch attempt in the endzone that he misssed – saw Jombo mouthing – “and walk in” – must have ran the wrong route

by 93noleman on Sep 12, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Rashad is super skinny, but boy does he have great acceleration.

He runs so smooth, you don’t think he is going very fast but next thing you know he is blowing past defender after defender. I also love how he catches the ball, all 3 of his catches so far have been snatches with his hands, textbook.

by dream catcher on Sep 12, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dent's got some beefiness to him

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by ricobert1 on Sep 12, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green

Looked like he just looked right then left saw he was going to get hit and fell down.

I didnt get a harrumph out of that guy!

by Dcubbienole on Sep 12, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That

was one of the most comical dives at the 1 I’ve ever seen. Comical because it occurred in a blowout win. He must have gotten some serious crap during film review.

2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent

by SoCalNole on Sep 13, 2011 11:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If *I* was in that locker room.......he would still be hearing about that in 2014.

And yes, I would act it out everywhere I saw him. The locker room, the practice field, the weight room, a classroom, walking across campus, in the club, and in his apartment—repeatedly.
Yes….it would be funny every time.

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by DRusso97 on Sep 13, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't do a writeup because there wasn't much to say that hasn't already been said

 I will say that we had a similar situation a few years ago as it appears we have now. FSU couldn’t run block to save their lives. The answer was a billion bubble screens.

Especially with the deep group of receivers we have now, we may end up falling back on the bubble screen part of the playbook to try and keep teams honest.

If you treat bubble screen yardage as running yardage (which it really is), and combine that with 60-80 yards per game from EJ running the ball, FSU should put together a decent enough ground game, even with the problems on the interior.

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by fsu44 on Sep 12, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said

We struggle with inside zone runs. Outside zone runs have been decent. So we’re not super multi-dimensional. That’s ok; Jimbo should be able to scheme around it and still put points on the board.

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by ricobert1 on Sep 12, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeppp.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 12, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate those bubble screens, but I'll make you (and Bud) a deal

if by the end of the year we average at least as much on the bubbles as running plays……I’ll shut up. Otherwise, I will flame spray.

FYI, Chuck South game doesn’t count.

FSU - 3
Chuck South - 2

Why? Jimbo wants to prove he can win by that score.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 12, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds good

I hope the line improves and we don’t see many of them.

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by fsu44 on Sep 12, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

one of the wonders of your

stat keeping, will be really fun to see how well we use those.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 12, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bubble Screen.

Can you link to one so I can see exactly what it looks like?

thanks

by olenole66 on Sep 12, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dig up a video of the FSU@Miami game from three years ago.

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by devnole on Sep 12, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bubble serves serves several purposes

Keeps teams from stacking the box and taking away the run by cheating a safety up and playing 8 in the box.

If you can’t run against 7 man front, cause you can’t block, it gets your playmakers the ball in space with hope that they can make a guy miss.

Oklahoma bubbled us to death. Playing soft zone is easy pickings for an effective bubble game. We will be pressing their receivers much more, and hopefully much more effectively.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Sep 12, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just tired of seeing poor O-Line play

I mean, when we brought Trickett in I thought he did a fantastic job his first 2 years with what little he had to work with. But this is 5th year here, right? I’ve been expecting great offensive line play since last year and it just hasn’t happened. I know we had some injury issues last year, and I know we lost some excellent linemen to graduation, but really…we’ve had great recruiting classes for 3 years in a row now and I didn’t expect us to still be in this situation 4-5 years after bringing him in.

What’s the problem? Poor evaluation, not landing the guys we wanted on signing day, injuries, what? It looks like the O-Line could be our weakest link this year; who saw that coming a few years back?

by EricNole on Sep 12, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

The offensive line has been excellent the last two years. You are not evaluating their play very well.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very, very young OL

Might not have the exact numbers but I believe we have 9 Fr., 4 So., 2 Jr. and 2 Sr. on the offensive line depth chart and one of the Jr.‘s is a Juco so he’s as green as a true freshman to our staff and his fellow linemen. People need to realize that we have more freshmen than the upper three classes combined.
I barely know how to spell “football” but I believe our youth may have a bearing on the immediate concerns pertaining to the O Line… but the future sure looks bright.

by law74 on Sep 12, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I probably should have said "mediocre" instead of "poor"

but do you really think we had excellent line play last year? Maybe it was good considering the injuries, but I wouldn’t characterize it as excellent. I don’t claim to be an authority on line play, however.

by EricNole on Sep 12, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I do. Certainly wasn’t the skill guys driving that offensive juggernaut. It was rough early with a lot of injuries, but after that they kept the QB very clean, gave good time, and consistently provided really nice seams through which our backs ran.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also avoided penalties. We’ve had a really good offense and most of it has been QB/OLine/Coaching. Now we’re seeing (maybe) some skill guys stepping up.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud didn't you write an article last year (maybe 09)

about the disparity in holding penalties for and against FSU? I know when you mention “avoided penalties” you are also talking about false starts (which seemed like our guys never had) and other non-holds.

by stevib on Sep 12, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was shear luck Trickett brought in that two star and made him an All American

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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 13, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

McMahon

Is he missed just as much as Hudson?

by WillyFSU on Sep 12, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

He might be

just for doing such a good job setting the line assignments and allowing Hudson to be in position. I noticed in the ULM game Datko was doing that from the LT spot. Didn’t notice it in the CSU game, b/c I was there with my 7 year old son for his first game and was taking pictures of him more than watching the game. And I will admit that when the team came out at the beginning and I saw my son yelling and cheering and excited as all get out I started bawling.

by RANOLE on Sep 12, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud

Do you know around what number he (McMahon) graded out for his career?

by WillyFSU on Sep 12, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question for Bud or anyone else

Do you know how I can get a DVD copy of the Charleston Southern game, since it was my son’s first game and very emotional for his teary-eyed dad (see above post end)?? I would be happy to pay for any shipping and additional costs.

by RANOLE on Sep 12, 2011 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

contact ESPN or Sunshine Network.

or seminoles.com. All three at some point had rights to the game, they would probably be the only ones to get you a copy, unless you go the pirate route.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 12, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, yeah,

not Somalian style…

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 12, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha, one of my favorite episodes.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 12, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I hope I can get a copy. Should have thought to record the Sunshine re-broad, but we were wiped out when we got home Sunday (went to Wakulla Springs earlier Sat, so had a very busy weekend) and just didn’t think about it.

by RANOLE on Sep 12, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was the deal with the WR patterns close to the goal line.

Seemed to me that on every single trip the wr were in the same area over the middle, thus dragging defenders with them. Never saw the post corner with the hard slant etc…

Looked like it led to the big hits and choas. I thought, scheme wise, it was awful.

by pb4957 on Sep 12, 2011 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Bob Stoops has a shot at breaking his streak in Tallhahassee this saturday

He is 0-2 there

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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 13, 2011 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Refs

Will they be ACC or Big12?

by Pinto on Sep 13, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

It was ACC last year in Norman (at one point Jack Childress took about 3 trips back and forth to the headset to sort out a replay) so I would assume Big 12 here.

Maybe we’ll get lucky and OU’s flirtation with the Pac 12 this week will prompt the refs to screw them.

by 38Noles on Sep 13, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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