Tomahawk Nation's BlogPoll: Week 4
by onebarrelrum on Sep 19, 2011 8:30 AM EDT
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PrintThis is Tomahawk Nation's first BlogPoll this season. We waited a few weeks so that teams had a chance to build up a bit of a resume. Inside, find the criteria on which teams are ranked and the BlogPoll.
This is not a power poll. I don't attempt to rank teams based on how good I think they are. I only rank teams based on their resume. What have they done? Not how talented are their players or what other polls project them to do, but what have they done? The poll is designed to be dynamic. I try to start from scratch every week.
I do attempt to reward teams for "quality losses," while punishing them for poor performances. I do not give excessive credit for stomping horrible teams. I reward quality play, win or lose, particularly against other good teams. I am not bumping team A 10 spots and docking team B 10 spots when team A beats team B by a field goal in what was essentially an equally played game. I like to reward playing well against good teams, win or lose, and punish losing to poor teams more harshly than I reward defeating poor teams. To that end, TCU and Boise will probably not climb much higher in my poll for the rest of the year because they don't really play anyone. And if those two don't blow out the weak competition every week they will start to slip in addition to not climbing.
I Reward Grinders. I reward those who play difficult schedules. Teams that play a tough team every week don't get to spend extra time preparing for their tough games, and they also don't face the attrition other teams face because they are able to pull their starters in blowouts. Fewer plays for important players reduces the chance those players will get injured.
Change my mind using my criteria if you can.
Note that this first poll is based on only 3 weeks worth of games. There might seem to be some strange selections, especially in the lower part of the poll. But at this point, there isn't much information to pull from. Many teams are still very much in the warm up portion of their schedule. Next week many teams will face better competition and there should be a better picture of the best 25 teams in the country.
Ballot - Week 4
| Rank | Team | Delta |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Oklahoma Sooners | -- |
| 2 | LSU Tigers | -- |
| 3 | Alabama Crimson Tide | -- |
| 4 | Oklahoma St. Cowboys | -- |
| 5 | Stanford Cardinal | -- |
| 6 | Boise St. Broncos | -- |
| 7 | Wisconsin Badgers | -- |
| 8 | Florida St. Seminoles | -- |
| 9 | Oregon Ducks | -- |
| 10 | South Carolina Gamecocks | -- |
| 11 | Virginia Tech Hokies | -- |
| 12 | West Virginia Mountaineers | -- |
| 13 | Nebraska Cornhuskers | -- |
| 14 | Clemson Tigers | -- |
| 15 | Florida Gators | -- |
| 16 | Texas Longhorns | -- |
| 17 | South Florida Bulls | -- |
| 18 | Michigan Wolverines | -- |
| 19 | North Carolina Tar Heels | -- |
| 20 | USC Trojans | -- |
| 21 | Vanderbilt Commodores | -- |
| 22 | Fla. International Golden Panthers | -- |
| 23 | Arkansas Razorbacks | -- |
| 24 | Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets | -- |
| 25 | Texas A&M Aggies | -- |
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I think the ranking you gave us is a lot more reasonable than the AP Poll. Doesn’t make sense to have Oregon ranked over us when LSU handled them in a 3 vs. 4 game. I’m assuming FIU beat UCF since they are ranked. One thing that pops out to me is how high you have Clemson. They struggled against weak opponents the first two weeks and turned it on in the second half to beat a 500 team out of the SEC. But, there is a 95% chance you know better than I. So I will accept it for the time being. Sure wish they were ranked that high for Saturday’s game.
Auburn was 2-0 and playing lights out. Watch the Auburn @Mississippi State game.
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Sep 19, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
this, and add Auburn @ Clemson
they looked like a div II team on D, missed tackles, poor alignment, slow afoot.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
lol Auburn is closer to 0-3 than 3-0.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 19, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? Lights out?
Just because they appeared to be playing with the lights out, that doesn’t make them lights out.
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by Nole Resurrected on Sep 19, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clemson, as with many teams
are just a product of early season and lack of data. Just not a whole lot to go on. A lot of things will shake out as early as after this coming week. Teams will at least starting to get into conference games or are will be out of the d2 phase of their schedules.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 19, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree re. Oregon. They lost a true road game to probably the number 2 or 3 team.
Not a true neutral site for LSU. We’ll know more about the Ducks down the road as we will about the Tigers when they play Bama. Anyway, I would have them in front of us right now.
Georgia Tech
If Tech is able to put up big numbers against Carolina’s Defense will you jump them several places or only a few? That team is playing lights out at the moment. Also, I dig your selection of FIU. From nothing to 3-0. Good for them, I hope they keep wining.
It's all about the process
Ummm, if TCU isn't going to climb in your poll,
then they’re never going to be ranked?
I think FSU is probably in the 8-12 range…probably should have started the season out there.
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TCU has a home loss to Baylor and a win over Air Force, right?
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Correct...TCU is now 2-1
What I’m asking is even if they win their next 10 games, they won’t be ranked high (or at all) cause of their competition? Make sense, I’m just asking cause they’re not ranked now.
Gripper
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they could get in there,
just depends on what their competition does through the season. Got to think a lot of teams on there wont hang in there. This poll isn’t like other ones where a team has to be ranked early to stay ranked. Can’t be big changes week to week.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 19, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks...
I just think it would be hard to keep a team out that wins 10-11 games. Not saying they should be ranked high if they play nothing but cupcakes, but winning 10 games is still winning 10 games.
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Anybody else notice LJ ducking/avoiding G5 after his interception? I thought it was a little strange?
I didnt see it
Was it like a ,“Dont touch me we’re not cool with each other right now” type of thing?
D-Hop has tiger blood
Yes I think that’s what it was. I don’t think they would have any beef with each other about anything that night because they both played pretty good, well concidering G5 biting on a lazy pump fake.
by NOLEisticscience on Sep 19, 2011 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
by the way
If any of you guys are coming to the Clemson game I live in the area and would love to finaly meet some of you. Or if you want to know where things are or have questions I would be happy to help.
by NOLEisticscience on Sep 19, 2011 10:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Best place to Tailgate
I’m a student making the trip to Clemson and I’m just wondering where the best place for visiting fans to set up shopis?
I would say near TD’s or the Baseball field. Parking near TD’s probably will be in the $15 to $20. But is close to food and bars. TD’s is easy to find because it sits right at the split in the road to either go to past the stadium or downtown on Hwy 93.
by NOLEisticscience on Sep 19, 2011 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
gabenole1@gmail.com
Shoot me an email and I can further explan or we can exchange numbers and you call hit me up when you arrive. I will be up there early that morning.
by NOLEisticscience on Sep 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or if you are up before Saturday I can show you around
by NOLEisticscience on Sep 19, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you.
We’re rolling into Clemson early Saturday morning but I’ll shoot you an email later on this week.
Setting up for bad weekend
Dony think this will be a good trip for FSU thisweekend. Fsu has to many injuries, no offense and will be flat coming off such a big game. The noles had monthes to prepare for ou. They only have a few days to get ready for a very good clemson offense. I just dont see this team being able to get up and play again especially in DEATH VALLEY.
Not overly concerned with
cu offense. FSU D is/should be night and day different than Auburns. Question is how well will FSU offense do. At this point, EJ or not, I think we don’t get very many points. If I had to make a prediction right now I would say Clemson 13, FSU 10.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 19, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
To me its not the defense I'm worried about...
They only have a few days to get ready for a very good clemson offense.
OU’s offense is very potent and Stoops boys pretty much stuffed them with the exception of that first drive. Now the offense (where all the injuries lie) is a different story. If EJ can’t go, I’ll be very worried.
BTW-CU just had an emotional win on the road vs Auburn and have VT next week. I think it would be harder for the tigers to get up for yet another game. And the fact that FSU lost a close game to the #1 team in the Nation and may feel they got jobbed a bit by some unlucky calls/situations…only helps the Noles IMO.
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clemson was at home.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 19, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
I don’t know how potent Clemson’s offense really is. Auburn gave up 38 to Utah State, 34 to Miss State (who LSU held to two fielf goals), and 34 to Clemson. Auburn’s D has lots of holes and Clemson, like both teams before them, exposed those holes. FSU’s D doesn’t have those holes.
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by Nole Resurrected on Sep 19, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Auburn D ranked 117th right now.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 19, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
But, but, but......
They’re an SEC defense, so they’re really better than most.
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by Nole Resurrected on Sep 20, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope not. But I do have that bad feeling. I hope our injuries are just minor and most will be able to play and play well @ Clemson.
by NOLEisticscience on Sep 19, 2011 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If it's Tricket, we're a TD dog, if it's EJ, we're a TD favorite
Tricket made some nice plays early, but the TD was pure luck and once they started blitzing him, he was ineffective. We will have to play a field position/special teams game to beat them with Tricket at the helm.
and no run game, at all.
A one dimensional FSU with trickett? Not to sound too over-reactionary, but, game over.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 19, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to be negative also but it sure seems that way.
by NOLEisticscience on Sep 19, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not worried about Clemson’s offense that much. Very worried that FSU could be without 4 of its top 5 receivers, its only pass-catching tight end, and its QB at Clemson.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 19, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries.
We’ll just rely on our run game :)
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by devnole on Sep 19, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A few thoughts
will be flat coming off such a big game. The noles had monthes to prepare for ou. They only have a few days to get ready for a very good clemson offense.
Clemson won at home and could be overconfident. Florida State lost a dogfight at home and could be royally pissed.
So the coaches didn’t prep for Clemson any this summer?
Check out Clemson’s opponents, more importantly, their opponents’ defensive prowess. Is Clemson a very good offense or are they feasting on poor defenses?
Should have been quoted
will be flat coming off such a big game. The noles had monthes to prepare for ou. They only have a few days to get ready for a very good clemson offense.
On the positive side,
Clemson couldn’t hold anything in the bag in that game. We have a good set of film to study.
You should have seen the Wofford gaem
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OU game
I was pleased with the improvement over last year against OU. Having said that, I was disappointed with our offense and with our O line. We had no run ability at all except for EJ. I have to say that I still do not have that much faith in EJ to carry this team when needed. It both teams duplicate efforts from last week we will lose this week at Clemson. They really looked good against Auburn. I know they were 118th in the nation in D before last week- but still Clemson looks loaded with playmakers. OU is for real.
I have FSU at #6
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haha, fair enough.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 19, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
But Wisconsin now has an ACC QB.
(You see what I did there? Used “ACC” as a modifier just like ESPN uses “SEC,” to suggest that attaching three letters to any particular subject makes it vastly superior than the alternative. Ha! So clever!)
by arrdub on Sep 20, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
personally think you have West Va about five spots high.
Also, I think Texas and TAMU should be reversed, and that Arkansas and Georgia Tech are at least ahead of Vandy and FIU.
Maybe Texas and Tamu,
no way Arkansas and Gtech deserve anything. Lucky to be in the poll.
Arky with wins over Missouri State, Troy, and New Mexico,
Gerogia Tech with wins over Kansas, Middle Tennessee, and Western Carolina.
Vandy, wins over Uconn, Ole miss, and Elon
FIU wins over Louisville, UCF, and N. Texas.
Vandy and FIU get it fairly easily there.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 19, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a thought
But, i dont just see OU as the best O we see all year, I also think its the best D we will see till we visit the swamp. We changed the O-Line makeup just before the OU game, and couldnt commit to the run bc
1 our line was out of synch
b we used EJ to much success and that took carries from the RBs
69 OU has a Monster D and was good enough to stop us.
I dont think the tigers have a D near the same caliber as OU.
I DO think our O line can come together. 3 of them have been starting forever
EJ in or out, we will not be calling many QB draws. so more reps for our RBs.
I think the run comes together when we need it most and our D gives us 3-4 turnovers and a score.
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Sep 20, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions
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