Scouting FSU's Opponents: Week 3
This is a weekly feature on TomahawkNation.com in which we review the performances of each of FSU's upcoming opponents. I've also added two potential teams in Virginia Tech and UNC that are likely to make the ACC Championship Game. I will not do game charts for games against D1-AA opponents. All game charts are non-garbage time only.
This takes a lot of work. I hope that your enjoyment of each game increases with additional knowledge of the opponent.
| AUB | CLEM | |
| Plays | 63 | 90 |
| Yards/Play | 6.9 | 6.9 |
| Neither out-gained the other per play | ||
| Avg Field Position | Aub 23 | Clem 19 |
The Clemson Tigers defeated the Auburn Tigers, 38-24. This was a very exciting game and since a lot of people on Tobacco Road don't quite understand how awful Auburn's defense is, it has caused Clemson to become a bit overrated. Auburn is much closer to being 0-3 than they are to being 3-0. Clemson has some serious playmakers on offense, but they are young and it will be interesting to see how they transition from playing terrible defenses to a very good defense.
Here is STS' game recap Sunday thoughts. Good stuff, as always. The only difference in this game was Clemson's ability to move the ball and run about 40% more plays than Auburn. That's a serious pace right there. Auburn only scored three points in the second half, but they still moved the ball on Clemson just as they had in the first half (two of four drives went for more than 62 yards). Clemson is a scary team with athletes all over the field, great assistants, and a clown for a head coach. We'll have much more on them this week as the FSU walking wounded travel to Death Valley.
Wake Forest beat Gardner-Webb. Nothing much to see there as the Deacs improve to 2-1.
| Duke | BC | |
| Plays | 80 | 58 |
| Yards/Play | 5.8 | 5.7 |
| Duke outgained BC by 3% per play | ||
| Avg Field Position | Duke 24 | BC 25 |
Duke beat Boston College 20-19. Yes, Duke. BC missed a 23-yarder off the upright to win the game with no time left. Duke still isn't any good, and BC has very serious injury issues right now, along with some coaching issues. This was a very even game, as the score indicates.
Duke threw the ball 52 times and ran 28. Renefree was 41 of 52 on the previously-referenced green BC secondary (Eagles have lost 3 of 4 secondary starters since the final week of camp due to injury or suspension). I didn't watch this game and can't imagine it was much fun on tv or in person. Unless BC gets its guys back in a hurry, it will not go bowling. I See the Eagles finishing 4-8.
| WVU | MD | |
| Plays | 77 | 87 |
| Yards/Play | 6.3 | 5.5 |
| WVU outgained MD by 15% per play | ||
| Avg Field Position | WVU 24 | MD 34 |
The Maryland Terrapins lost a home game to the West Virginia Mountaineers, 37-31. This was a battle of good offenses and bad defenses. Played at a fast pace, WVU was simply better. 6.3 yards allowed per play is not very good by Maryland. The issue seems to be really poor defensive back play, complete lack of pass rush, and the need to over-involve the safeties in the run defense, exposing those defensive backs. I think Maryland will need Danny O'Brien to play out of his mind each week if the Terps are going to win more than 7 games. That didn't happen yesterday, and part of it is due to Maryland suspending two of its top receivers.
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N.C. State beat South Alabama. We know very little about this team right now, but should find out more come Thursday night when the Wolfpack travels to Cincinnati.
BC- see Duke
| OSU | UM | |
| Plays | 53 | 65 |
| Yards/Play | 3.5 | 5.6 |
| UM outgained OSU by 63% per play | ||
| Avg Field Position | OSU 37 | UM 22 |
The Miami Hurricanes took advantage of some ridiculously bad quarterback play to beat Ohio State. Miami did a good job using its strength (offensive line and stud runner Lamar Miller), and minimizing its weakness (Jacory Harris). I watched this game and will say that while Miami improved from the Maryland game and could be a very good football team if they keep improving, this was largely on Ohio State. I have no earthly idea what OSU was trying to do on offense. None. What a cluster.
Here are six post-game videos of Canes' players. And here is a good look at the game from a Miami beat writer:
| UVA | UNC | |
| Plays | 75 | 63 |
| Yards/Play | 6.2 | 6.4 |
| UNC outgained UVA by 2% per play | ||
| Avg Field Position | UVA 24 | UNC 26 |
The Virginia Cavaliers lost to the North Carolina Tar Heels, 28-17. UNC jumped out to a 21-3 lead before letting up a bit. UNC used the bend but don't break strategy and forced three turnovers. UNC is a good team and has a huge test coming this weekend. Here is the game story and here is the news and notes.
There is still nothing to fear about Virginia. UVA is still on the Duke/Wake tier.
Florida beat an overrated Tennessee team 33-22.
| Tenn | UF | |
| Plays | 69 | 63 |
| Yards/Play | 4 | 5.5 |
| UF outgained Tenn by 36% per play | ||
| Avg Field Position | Tenn 27 | UF 26 |
I was more impressed with UF's defense than I was its offense.
Week Three Expectations And Reality: SEC - Football Study Hall:
"Florida (Proj. Scoring Margin: +17.6 | Actual Scoring Margin: +10 | Diff: -7.6) One team's offensive star lands wrong and injures his knee. The other team's star goes off. Such is life. Chris Rainey had 108 rushing yards and 104 receiving yards, while Jeff Demps complemented him with 48 and 37. Throw in some lovely big-play prevention, and there you go. John Brantley completed 10 of 11 passes to Rainey, Demps and Trey Burton for 179 yards, and it didn't even matter that he was 4-for-12 for 34 yards to actual wideouts (though, uh, that may be a concern at a later date). Jelani Jenkins was great: 5.5 tackles, a sack and two PBU."
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Great stuff as always
Here’s at least one reader that appreciates all the work. It’s a great weekly feature.
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by KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) on Sep 19, 2011 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
Dabo says he hopes FSU comes to Deathvalley undefeated.
Is that a dare? I know Clemson feels like they won the National Championship this past Saturday but the truth is, they beat a bad Auburn team. An Auburn team that had to get an on-side kick to beat Utah State. And did they really ruch the field?
I'm only 31
Go Noles
Go Bucs
I think Jimbo plays the clip of Dabo on the field getting interviewed to fire the guys up
He seriously let the moment get to him and FSU should make him eat his words.
i still hntdeer and liv4noles.
by NOLEcasterWX on Sep 19, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't see anything wrong with his comment
I took it as he hoped it would be two undefeated ACC teams, with one maybe ranked #1. What would you expect him to say? “Gee, I sure do hope FSU gets beat tonite so it won’t be such a big game next week. I don’t think my guys could get up for an undefeated, #1 FSU.”
usually save that for the field
thats all im saying. I wouldnt expect him to say Gee, i sure hope……Id expect more along the lines of great game today and we will celebrate it today and begin to prepare for FSU next week. Dont read to much into my comment. I was simply saying it could be a motovational tool for prep this week.
i still hntdeer and liv4noles.
by NOLEcasterWX on Sep 20, 2011 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
They rush after every home game
win or loss. Obviously the rushes on the losses are much less involved. They call it Meeting at the Paw or something like that. They go down mingle with players and sing the alma mater
D-Hop has tiger blood
Any specific reason?
Or is it that when you always do it, that you get used to having to behave yourself
pretty sure that Southwest Michigan Technical School
rushes the field after every game too. Nothing happens there either
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 19, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm familiar... I just think the potential is there for something really bad to happen, at some point.
What happened with the USCe brawl there? How did the fans stay out of it?
They need to like they have been there before....
Although it was a long….long time ago
I'm only 31
Go Noles
Go Bucs
Woe unto you Clemson, if you thought Wofford was tough.
The running game will spring to life this weekend. After two warm up games with Jimbo concentrating on the passing game knowing that was the best shot at beating Oklahoma, you will now see his true genius as Clemson will come into the game thinking FSU cannot run. Hence a devastating running attack will be unleashed on a hapless and unprepared Clemson Tiger team.
Clemson will once again prove why they are the gold standard of mediocrity. Put away those Danny Ford hats tigers, it is not yet time.
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It would seem the thing he left out is FSU will leave death valley undefeated also
A casual stroll through the mental asylum shows that faith does not prove anything...Nietzsche
How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche
by DocHoliday2 on Sep 19, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Make that with only the OU loss
A casual stroll through the mental asylum shows that faith does not prove anything...Nietzsche
How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche
by DocHoliday2 on Sep 19, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope that defense that came to play on Saturday comes to play again.
I’m sure the players are upset, but I don’t really see them having a let up. This is a game in death valley. You would have to lack a pulse not to be able to get up for that game.
I thought UF's D seemed to have some trouble in the secondary.
Despite UT playing without it’s best receiver, UF picked up a 6 pass interference calls.
Muschamp disputed each call as if each was unfathomable. The majority looked like reasonable calls to me— a DB with a handful of jersey gets the flag…
Roberson and Purifoy/Riggs
Pretty sure they have two frosh DBs
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by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 19, 2011 4:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Roberson and Purifoy/Riggs
Pretty sure they have two frosh DBs
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by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 19, 2011 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Roberson should eventually become pretty good. I have doubts about everything else they've got back there.
And as athletic and powerful as he is back there, I’m still not sure Elam can raise his hands above his shoulders…
Clemson running back and Watkins looked goos other than that the only thing that makes me worried about this game is our health
by Supernole05 on Sep 19, 2011 4:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
TE is very good.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 19, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopkins is very good
we actually have a ton of talent at the skill positions. It’s up front where we have some issues.
chuckling at uf's "pro style offense"
chock full of jet sweeps, misdirection plays, and pretty much everything else you do in the spread.. i mean pros..
Weis is having to mish-mash that thing with the cards he's been dealt. They definitely do NOT have pro-style personnel at WR/RB right now.
I think they’re 2 years away from being anywhere near what they want to be.
Sammy Watkins, if he keeps it up, could go down as the best WR ever to come from Clemson. Kid is scary good
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 19, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions
I’ll agree with it… if he keeps it up
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He catches the ball...
and makes one helluva a first step. Incredibly quickly. UPFIELD.
I’d take him all day long. And for years to come.
I’m very impressed.
"if he keeps it up"
It’s really not hard to see that he has all the tools to do it and he sure seems to have the work ethic and a decent enough QB to get him the ball.
Couple that with the fact that Clemson isn’t exactly WR U, and you have a lot of potential for greatness there.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Sep 19, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
EXCELLENT JOB BUD.............
You and i don’t always see eye to eye( but its your blog), but you’ve nailed this recap. i chuckle at miami fans thinking 11-1 now.
Anyway, had we not had the guy knocked out( illegally) crossing the goal line, we could have( amazing me) actually beat the okies. Our defense begins to remind me of the dynasty defenses. Bud, where do you put our chances now at “clempson” with our O/L, W/O and QB woes? Can the D and a very average O whip em?
Finally, does anyone but me see the 09 ofense as the best of the Jimbo era?…………………….just with ZERO defense?
GO NOLES!
OT: Watching the replay of the FSU/OK game. The first holding penalty on the TD pass (Z. Sanders) was...
COMPLETE BULLSHIT!
WTF How much does the Big 12 pay their refs?
yep… said it last night
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Yeah, I didn't see the replay until just now. I figured most of us were being homers.
But after seeing that replay Sanders did not hold. I saw way more holding on OU’s part in LIVE action. No calls, of course.
What about the other FSU holding penalties? I got distracted and don’t have tivo.
Thought two were crap
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So they were Big 12 refs!?!
I thought for sure they were ACC by they way they were screwing us. Fooled me!
"Process-oriented thinking as opposed to outcome-oriented thinking."- CJF
No, you see, that's the irony.
Other conference’s refs protect their top teams; so we get it coming and going.
by arrdub on Sep 19, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
sat next to some Okla fans. Good guys.
one of them said, man yall are getting jobbed by the big 12 refs. I told him, this ain’t sh^t, if it were ACC refs OU would be up by 25 already.
by DoubleNickel on Sep 20, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Got done watching just now,
refs didn’t even come close to calling a fair game. It was pathetic BS. On one of the runs on the OU first drive, Jenkins has position to get the RB, he gets fish hooked from behind and held from behind until the RB was 4 yards past him. Utter BS. #13 got tackled from behind by an olineman on a play…no excuse for his penalties, but I can see why he was getting hot headed.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 19, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe on the second redzone stand,
Werner is in pursuit of Landry and gets shoved to the ground from behind.
yup yup. saw that one.
He would have had one nasty shot on Landry and was preparing to take it and whamo, just gets blatantly shoved from behind to the ground. Stupid.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 19, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad Im not the only one who saw this...
I thought our DEs were getting held all night, especially Jenkins. Couldnt believe the lack of holding calls in the game.
They didn't call it on Zebrie
the ref called #52 which was Stork and also BS. Herbie and Mush just harped on Sanders cause thats who the camera thought did it.
they called the hold on Stork
Referee said #52. However, Stork didn’t hold either. OU defender pulled away from him and he momentarily held his jersey in front and inside the pads. My understanding is that this is not a hold.
sorry fsugrizz
didn’t see you had already replied. I second your post.
EJ question?
I know this is a change of subject but what did the doctors say about EJ’s shoulder? I hope everything is alright we really need him to add a somewhat of a run threat. Our OL looked a little better against OU but nowhere near where they need to be at this point.
I noticed a few things from the Clemson game, they have some great speedy guys in Sammy and Ellington, and we have to keep Ellington bottled up and not let our DE’s lose contain. There TE is huge and looks to be a huge threat in our over aggressive defensive. Boyd looks to be better then average at times but we need to keep him under pressure the whole game. And there defense is not very great and I am hoping we can run the ball some on them. They played a lot of man-to-man coverage against auburn and I think we can really burn them deep if we can setup some play action. We really need to go up there and play a great game after such a heart breaking loss last week. I was very proud to see how much heart they played with last week and if they do that every week then we should end up with a very good year!!
No structural damage, apparently. I am not sure if he will play.
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Why wouldn't he play?
I feared that he had separated his shoulder after watching the replays during the game. However, after he came back from the locker room and they announced that it was only a bruised shoulder on his non-throwing arm, and after he was about to lead our offense out onto the field it seemed to me that he was able to play. I understand that no injury should be taken lightly and I’m sure it was painful and it’s possible that the injury will force him to alter his mechanics but I’m still confused about this…
by STAquinasNole on Sep 19, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
This makes sense
But I also mean during the OU game itself. At the time that EJ came back, the Seminoles were still in contention for the W. Again, I can see taking the precaution to hold him out to avoid further injury as a possible explanation, but at the time we were very much in the game. It’s baffling to me to see the staff pull EJ off of the field to let Trickett quarterback the offense.
by STAquinasNole on Sep 19, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly believe Jimbo was sending EJ a message about toughness
The 3 plays before he actually came out EJ looked over like he was pleading for Jimbo to take him out. “oh, coach, it hurts real bad!” When he found out it was just bruised, coupled with Tricket doing better than anyone expected, I think Jimbo sent a message.
I really hope
our head coach didn’t put the outcome of this game on the line to send a message.
by STAquinasNole on Sep 20, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
I think Jimbo did exactly what he said. They could not verify exactly what was wrong, so instead of risking more damage and possibly EJ’s season he kept him out.
OU was big, but it is not our main goal right now. We need to win the division, then conference, then worry about National title. That is the order of our goals.
I understand what you're saying here.
At the same time, it’s incredibly frustrating. EJ seemed ready to go in. The circumstances surrounding the injury were unique, obviously, but when EJ came on to the field even the guys up in the booth were able to announce that there was no structural damage. If it was simply a bruised shoulder on his non-throwing arm, I do not see how this could be aggravated to the point that EJ would be out for the remainder of the season. In fact, I’m not exactly sure that the injury could be aggravated anymore than it already was. If anything, I think that because his fundamentals would be altered as a result of EJ’s attempts to play through the pain and as a result would put the game in jeopardy is a much better explanation for why he should not have played in that game. Even so, I would take EJ when he has a non-throwing shoulder injury over a 100% Clint Trickett any day. Winning the conference is obviously our goal but I don’t think the team’s chances of doing that would be in jeopardy should EJ have trotted back out there.
by STAquinasNole on Sep 20, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No
he wasn’t trying to send EJ a message about toughness…we were in contention to win the game…but making sure EJ was able to play against Clemson in a CONFERENCE game was/is far more important than sticking him back in the OU game and possibly losing him for the season…
There a difference in playing hurt and playing injured….and EJ was injured which would have been detrimental to the team.
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they played Bellamy the frosh
during crunch time. Very fast, but very much a frosh. doesn’t block, carries the ball loose, runs up the backs of his blockers, etc
It'd be nice
If we could run the ball with our running backs
Florida State
NOW
2-1
by SeminoleMike on Sep 20, 2011 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm confident Christian Jones can handle that TE in coverage.
He handled Ryan Broyles last week.
by cerebralfish on Sep 20, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Great job on this stuff Bud. I read it religously.
I think Clemson has a chance due to all our injuries. But they are in for a surprise when they see this defense.
Ehh
I think we should be able to win against Clemson….no way they put up 30pts against our defense…Boyd’s statistics looked good…but he got away with a lot of stuff because Auburn’s D sucks….under pressure won’t be able to make the majority of the throws….I think our offense is good enough to win no matter who is at QB….I’m sure Fisher will tailor the gameplan depending on who the QB will be…
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The Danny Ford pics have come out of mothballs and are back up on the wall
A casual stroll through the mental asylum shows that faith does not prove anything...Nietzsche
How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche
Who was the guy that said we would get blown out?
He was on a podcast that Bud posted, I just wanted to see what he had to say after the game
"We are building a program not a team, it is about the process. We prepare everyday so we expect to win."
That would be Russ Mitchell of College Football News
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by FSUcyberpunk on Sep 19, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
he ate crow today, but did say it should have been 30-13 because of the 2 RZ stops, which is Bogus.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 19, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s like saying it should have been 23-27 because we were stopped on kick returns
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by SteadfastNole on Sep 20, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
guess forgot about
the TD taken away on the bogus hold…the catch that wasn’t called a catch(the Shaw hit)…not to mention we had two interceptions thrown while we were on their side of the field(or near it)….that’s an automatic 6 pts with Hopkins kicking….so let’s see…
13…plus 14….plus 6…..we should have won 33-30.
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Anybody that thought FSU would be blown out
Why would you care what they had to say? I could have gotten a closer call than that from the guy at the produce section in Publix. How do some of these people draw a check?
A casual stroll through the mental asylum shows that faith does not prove anything...Nietzsche
How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche
Great analysis Bud.
I am very proud the Seminole team. That was as physical a game the Seminoles have played in quite some time.
Everyone who attended the game should also be proud. The stadium look awesome on television.
I thought the big difference between The Seminoles and The Sooners was 2 years of elite recruiting vs. a decade of elite recruiting.
I have no doubt this defense will give Clemson its most physical game of the year.
Can’t wait for the game recap tomorrow.
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by pasadenanole22 on Sep 20, 2011 12:58 AM EDT reply actions
It is a long season...ANYTHING could happen
If FSU takes care of their business and wins out they will be back in Top 5. That is Dynasty status.
by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 20, 2011 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff
Can we start thinking about adding GTech to this? They’ve looked the most impressive from the Coastal for me. The Kansas score line was eye opening.
My NC State coworkers
believe that they are going to suck it up this year. They said their D is horrible. I can’t wait to snap Glennon in half.
I was at the NC State game last season and I want redemption!
I live in Raleigh and work with alot of “State” fans. They were very hospitible last year but asked me how in the hell Ponder fumbled on our last drive of the game. I politely pointed them to the article posted by Bud pointing out that it was on the RB not Ponder.
Man I wish we could have had that snap over.
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you and I both…these Raleigh folk kill me…lol….I wanna give them the bizness like we where their fathers and died a rich entrepreneur.
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I'm not worried about Clemson if EJ plays at all.
These circumstances are far different from the last time we played at Death Valley. If Trickett plays we could be in trouble. If EJ plays, even with our injuries I just dont think they can hang this year. I’m more worried about a slip up later in the year vs a team we shouldnt lose to. Our guys will be focused on Clemson.
Did NOL do something during the game
that pissed JF off and so he sat him for the rest of the game? Heard rumblings he didnt return for disciplinary reasons.
Thank You
Bud, keep these up. I enjoy reading how the competition is doing.
Question about next weeks game at Death Valley. How will our O-line hold up against Clemson’s D-line?
Also, if EJ does play and is relatively healthy can we expect to see more of the spread or potentially the option? He had some success during his gametime in 2009. I realize this is a completely different team.
clempsons d line
Didn’t look nearly as good as OU’s. Fwiw.
by JaxNole on Sep 20, 2011 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Love Bud's assesment of Dabo.
Everything Bud says on this site is very informative, fair, and professional. So him calling Dabo a “clown” speaks volumes to how poor a head coach he really is. Hilarious.
PS – we are going to beat BC by 50
beyaaaaaaaaw!
Chapelles was genius satire.
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