Noles News 09.20.11
by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2011 9:30 AM EDT
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Florida State returned to the the practice fields and a lot of guys missed practice. Jimbo Fisher said Willie Haulstead will not play this week. At this point I doubt there is a timetable for his return. Jarred Haggins will be out for a while with a broken hand. Kenny Shaw didn't practice, and there is a very slim chance he can practice this week. I am not expecting that, but he isn't showing the concussion symptoms you might expect. Bert Reed is also uncertain to go. FSU's receiving corps currently looks like this: Rodney Smith, Greg Dent, Christian Green, Rashad Greene. That's it.
E.J. Manuel had an MRI and it didn't show anything unexpected, according to Jimbo. Obviously, EJ didn't practice. Apparently there is some chance they can shoot him up and go, but I am not particularly optimistic. No matter which QB plays, FSU is going to have to rely on its defense to win the game and ask its offense not to lose the game.
We'll have the film review for you after a bit, and later this afternoon will have an article on the excellent crowd that stayed loud all game.
In the Treatment Room: Florida State's Christian Ponder Separates Shoulder in Loss to Clemson Tigers - Tomahawk Nation
An excellent look at shoulder sprains and separations from our resident MD. This was authored about Ponder's injury, but applies here. TC's thoughts:
EJ should be able to play with a sprain. You can think of a sprain as a stretching of the ligaments around the joint. Dislocated, usually results in a bigger injury. Hopefully the rotator cuff is intact. Clearly, it's better that it is his non-throwing shoulder. However, those muscles are used to stablilize the chest during the throwing motion. Think about the force that is generated in throwing a footbal at the velocity that he does and the distance. Granted a lot comes from the hips, but you must have a stable chest to throw the ball like that. It will hurt. Plus, it will hurt every time he gets hit. Speaking from experience, as I separated my shoulder a few times in a game, it is not fun. Plus, the braces really limit your shoulder mobility. If its minor, a little cortisone and lidocaine will get him through the game.
The key here, of course, is trusting the injury info released by FSU. Let's just say that it's not always the best. Not that we'd expect Jimbo to tell FSU's opponents who is and is not playing.
How the Odds Stack Up--Florida State @ Clemson - Shakin The Southland
An analysis of the gambling trends for FSU and Clemson.
Notre Dame should jump to the ACC ... and fast - College Football - Rivals.com
With superconferences gaining steam, the Irish would be wise to align with a league with more upside than the often-discussed Big Ten.
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Haggins probably best case is a month. Shaw no idea. Reed maybe could go this week. We’ll see.
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Thanks.
With Trickett’s level of comfort with Greene I think I would be more concerned if he went down.
I'm still plenty concerned
not panicked but concerned. Every fan on this site talked about how important this game was to FSU’s season, now even more so with injuries at the skill positions piling up. I don’t care how ugly this game is, if we can find a way to win then we coast for three months and hopefully get some players back in the process.
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by Matt Champion on Sep 20, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing we basically have three bye weeks after Clemson
I expect to have a pretty healthy team once we see Maryland roll into town in October
I would feel a lot better if I saw Reed out there
I still think we take their rock away from them and bring it back to Tallahassee though
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 20, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I may have to murder someone
if the ACC adds Rutgers and UConn.
by NoleFrenzy on Sep 20, 2011 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Football-wise they are not strong at all..
But you do have to look at what they give you…pretty much lock up the east coast and add respected academic institutions. I think the better scenario would be one of those two plus ND, which might not be as far-fetched as some people think.
I think it is impossible for me to care any less about the academic prowess of my university's athlethic conference
ask yourself: what have Duke, Virginia, GT, and North Carolina done for FSU’s academics? Jack squat. They don’t help us at all.
As for locking up the east coast, that only works if it’s programs people WANT to watch. Who wants to watch Maryland vs. Rutgers? or Boston College vs. Syracuse? When’s the last time you saw ESPN hyping up a prime time nationally televised game between 2 programs like that?
Market’s aren’t everything, product is immensely important. If we add those chumps, we’ll see the same problems at Doak we have now: empty seats while FSU rips apart UConn/Rutgers/Syracuse/BC/Pitt. SHOOT ME NOW
That being said
I would be over joyed to add Notre Dame. Even with their terrible on field product for a majority of the last 2 decades, they have a huge, passionate fan base that travels, and ND vs. FSU would likely sell out both of our stadiums.
by NoleFrenzy on Sep 20, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would like ND to join
Of course, Texas would be awesome as well, and my first choice to fill out the 16-team slate. But at least with ND, the 16th team does not matter as much. Take Rutgers (more students, bigger endowment than UConn), UConn, maybe TCU (foot in the Texas market), WVU (better at football)… whomever. With ND (and an ACCN), I feel like the ACC could be a financially competitive conf.
The link above does seem to make some decent arguments for ND to join. I hope they give it serious consideration. And, if Syr/Pitt can’t renegotiate their 27-month notice to the Big East, we do have some time to let ND think about things.
by Invictus13 on Sep 20, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BCS Bowls
The ACC needs Notre Dame because the ACC needs to regularly send 2 teams to BCS games ($$$). Notre Dame at 9-10 wins a season will get an invite most years.
9-10 wins the ACC wont get you to a Bowl
Unless your undefeated going into the championship game, and that would be a stretch for the loser to get in
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a BCS bowl
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You are right.
BUT it would get the ACC better bowl tie ins. Well, at least one better bowl tie in, to account for ND.
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FSU's academics have actually improved a lot
Since joining the ACC the amount of grants as well as academic reputation has significantly gone up. This leads to better programs and students…which leads to better-paid alumni….which leads to more booster contributions. Academics aren’t everything, but they are important.
I agree that the product on the field will not be great, BUT advertisers will look at the numbers of potential viewers. Having the whole east coast locked up is a lot of eyes on ESPN, even if the percentage of actual viewers is smaller than the Southeast. Again, I still think ND and one of those two would be a much better solution.
by reznik1979 on Sep 20, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But how much of that academic growth can really be attributed to being associated with Duke/GT/UVA/etc in sports
and how much of it is the university’s own hard work? I think the academic portion of the athletic conference equation is frequently overstated.
I would have much rather the ACC pursued ND, Texas, and WVU hard than settle for the schools we’re talking about who’s stadiums seat under 50K. I’d be okay with Pitt if they came with one of the above mentioned schools. I’d honestly rather take UCF than UConn, Rutgers, or Syracuse. People may laugh now, but they won’t in 10 years. Huge alumni base, big market, high ceiling.
I don't know how much growth is directly because of the ACC
But being associated with Duke and UVA opens a lot of doors. Pitt and Syracuse are a done deal so we have to live with that. I agree the ACC does not need BOTH UConn and Rutgers, but one of those plus either ND or another higher profile school is excellent in my opinion.
Trouble with northern schools
See, I grew up in upstate NY. In NY, there is no UNC or FSU type b/c the state has many SUNY (State University of New York) spread all around the state. ‘Cuse is an expensive private school that very few go to. Think UM tuition vs. FSU or UF tuition. Where I grew up, the HS were smaller than Fla. HS and consequently major sports were BB and soccer. To play football in my hometown, you had to join a recreation league open to kids from multiple HS. Unless you play city catholic league, there just wasn’t much football going on. You might watch ’Cuse BB b/c it was something fairly close and one of the main fall sports.
What do Rutgers or UConn add? UConn – a BB program for the ACC. Rutgers = nothing.
‘Cuse doesn’t add much. Football much more popular in Pa. – home of the pro QB state. Pitt also has a decent BB program, so maybe I can see adding Pitt. These others are BB schools at best that add nothing to the conference except numbers/stability.
would also add for football in the NE, most people follow pro - Bills, Giants, Jets, Pats
since there isn’t really any decent college ball to follow.
NO.NO.NO.NO
I’ve been beat over the head with how wildly popular college football is in New York. Are you telling me that I was being told wrong?
1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
by Nole Resurrected on Sep 20, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
NoleLaw is talking about upstate NY
The money is in NYC metro. Also, the issue isn’t about college football being “wildly popular” there (and I get that you were being sarcastic,) but that NYC is so much larger than most other markets. Even with a lower percentage of people watching, there will still be more eyes on TVs for college football. Locking down the largest media market in the U.S. is just smart long term planning.
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by Russ on Sep 20, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I can see where getting into the New York market is a good thing.
I just think getting better quality programs would be even more beneficial. Case in point, the Big East has teams in the market now, the SEC doesn’t. Who generates more money, the big market or the quality product? The perfect storm would be Notre Dame. You get both, a (theoretic) godd program and the big market.
Ga Tech is in a big market, but UGA (in Athens) drives the state’s cfb market.
It’s not all about big markets. It’s finding a product the people want.
1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
by Nole Resurrected on Sep 20, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's not the best comparison
Just because SEC revenues exceed Big East revenues, and the Big East is in NYC while SEC is not, does not make NYC irrelevant. Nor does such a comparison quantify the value of that market.
As far as finding the right product, that is important, but not just for this year. Both Pitt and Syracuse credibly have the potential to become contenders in football again. I believe this not simply because they’ve been there before, but more importantly, they posses the resources to return to prominence. This is very important. All football programs, even the best, run into a period of time when they have a fall from excellence. Can they rise up again? Pitt and Syracuse can. Will they field elite teams in most years? Not likely. When all is said and done, I would not so quickly insinuate that neither Pitt nor Syracuse will have quality football programs moving forward.
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Pitt could, but I don't see Syracuse.
They couldn’t compete in the Big East, and they’re too far removed from being relevant at all. This was a basketball move. This let’s us football fans know that ACC football is just the there to pay the bills, not to compete with the big boys. This should be a signal to FSU, Clemson, and VaTech to leave town.
I think SEC vs. Big East is a perfect example of product vs. market.
1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
by Nole Resurrected on Sep 20, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The Big East was never a 12 team football conference
And many of the schools that do play football in the Big East could never get into the ACC or the SEC. It’s comparing apples to oranges.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
You're right.
Apples to Oranges…..
Big Market and elite product.
Oranges win.
1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
by Nole Resurrected on Sep 20, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
the color Orange
NEVER wins.
Be it paired with Blue or Green.
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Sep 20, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The idea is to combine the two
not be forced to choose.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
The only option there is Notre Dame,
and they aren’t really elite. The media just makes them appear that way preseason.
1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
by Nole Resurrected on Sep 20, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Notre Dame's TV ratings are elite
even when their team sucks.
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That's why I say jump all over Notre Dame if they want to join.
I’m in total agreement with you there. Notre Dame (as bad as I loathe them) is bigger than any market. They are a true national brand. Although, come to think of it, I don’t personally know any note Dame fans. Hmm.
1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
by Nole Resurrected on Sep 20, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, FSU vs. ND will likely always draw a big audience
on TV and in person. I’d for sure take a road trip up to South Bend to see us play there. I have no desire to ever go see a game a UConn, or even set foot in the entire state of New Jersey.
Defend Cuse for a second
During their lost decade its not like they sat on their thumbs they made strong football moves that did not pan out. They hired a former Texas DC who has 2 superbowl rings as an NFL DC. Turns out the guy lost what ever coaching skill he had but you can’t fault the hire and say it was not a football move.
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When is the last time anyone paid attention to Syracuse football? I spent the first 20 years of my life living a couple hours away from Syracuse and never once paid attention to it. Biggest towns close by are Ithica, Rome, and Utica.
about 3 hrs. away you get Rochester and a few hours he other way you get Albany and Schenectady which are both much smaller than Rochester. Rochester is much closer to Buffalo and about hald the Bills season tickets are held by people who live in Rochester. The idea that Syracuse will ever have an elite football program is ludicrous. They might be able to get 10-20k to watch a BBall game, but will never have anything close to 85k to watch football. Expecting people from NYC to fill a Cuse stadium is like relying on Miami residents to sell out Doak. Not gonna happen.
I am going to make a blanket statement and take this opportunity to speak for New England
No one here cares about college football. Period.
by BostonNole on Sep 20, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Does anyone watch college basketball?
Or any other college sport?
Not really, no.
Not as a group anyway. But its def more popular than college football. Pro teams reign supreme up here. Big time.
People who live up here that were educated up here didn’t live through the big time college sports experience (for the most part).
In Connecticut, the women’s team is more popular than the men’s IMO. People ride the bandwagon a bit when the men are good, but its not living and dying with the team type following.
Northern New England usually follows Boston’s pro teams religiously. And all and all, people within Boston are the same (unless they are transplants). And with the historical and recent success of the pro teams of the area, in all 4 major sports), college sports takes a back seat and has a very tough act to follow.
We just need to generate enough interest for a network to get on the cable packages
Be that through a combination of NE teams, basketball, whatever.
I loved watching Big East basketball.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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Except for those who do
Period.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
at least college football.
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Living in Orlando
I am too intrigued by the long-term potential of UCF. Five years ago, I would have laughed in your face. Not today.
by CJS55 on Sep 20, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Un-recs for BOTH of you.
UCSF would be TERRIBLE, HORRIBLE, DEPLORABLE AND INEXCUSABLE.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
People pleeeeaaaaasssseee understand that UCF's and/or USF's
success on the football field comes directly at our expense.
But is that causative?
Did FSU’s academics rise as a result of joining the ACC? Or would they have risen anyway whether we had remained independent or joined another conference?
Here’s the research partnerships page of FSU’s Office of Research.
http://www.research.fsu.edu/partnerships/
There are no ACC-only research partnerships. There are some that involve ACC schools but also schools from other conferences. In fact most are large – cross-conference research partnerships.
Next, Google “ACC research” and you find Adenoid Cystic Cariconoma and some New Zealand organizations, etc. The only Atlantic Coast Conference reference is to the 6th annual meeting of the minds. Basically a small 2-3 day quasi-social conference. From reading the information here:
http://www.smsmiami.org/acc2011/
This is a conference where ACC members get to share their research achievements. To me, it looks like a higher-leve science fair with posters and brief oral presentations. It was held in Miami and some of the expenses were defrayed by ACC sports money. So I’m not knocking it – it sounds like a great way to reward hard working researchers (professors and students) with a nice weekend in Miami and I’m sure they develop great relationships with other researchers.
But let’s not suggest that somehow a 3 day conference in Miami is leading to a rise in FSU’s academics. If that were true – President Barron should raise the cash to hold a 3 day conference in the Virgin Islands and invite the top research teams from Stanford, Harvard, Yale, etc. to meet with our researchers.
The charter for the ACC mentions academics only as it pertains to student-athletes – and then – only in passing with blah blah blah type language.
The ACC is an athletic confernce not academic. Do we benefit by associating with well regarded schools – yes, in the same way that if you’re buddies with a football player, other people might find that interesting but they don’t assume that you also could play football as a result.
by GraniteStateNoles on Sep 20, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The ACC presidents
will not agree to accept what they consider an inferior school. That is why you will not see WVU or Texas Tech in the ACC. They want institutions that are comparable to their current ones or better.
On the research dollar issue, the conferences do drive that to a large portion, even if it is by proxy. Every school in the Big Ten receives an annual grant through the CIC of about $575 million. That single grant is twice as much is as FSU’s grant total for a year.
The conference you are in matters for more than just athletics. It allows you to build new buildings/labs/faciltites and hire better staff and grow your campus. Better facilities+better staff= higher tuition= more money for the school.
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
by BossNole on Sep 20, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
stop with all your logic
and facts and figures and reasoning.
:)
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Sep 20, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
no one cares about how the Big Ten has parlayed better research for its members
What has the ACC done?
Where'd you get this $575M grant thing?
The ACC needs its own CIC but I know FSU fans/supporters that have been saying that for years.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Here is the link
Committee on Institutional Cooperation
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
I'm not finding that figure.
Are you sure you’re not misreading it? Big Ten schools do $7B annually in research. So that averages to about $580M annually for CIC members. But that is not what the CIC pays them. I didn’t think the CIC itself did money. It was more a way for universities to cooperate together in a multitude of ways.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
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MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
I think the improvement you claim is inaccurate.
FSU academics are only running at like 75% of our potential.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
From where do you get the 75%?
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Just made it up.
But with Colleges of Med and Engineering that aren’t competitive nationally like every other College FSU has, the school is losing out on 9 figures in annual research dollars.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
I guess I'm just dense.
I don’t understand the “Program X locks up the East Coast” or “Program Y covers big Northeast markets” arguments for admission. What does it matter whether we cover TV markets in which nobody watches college football?
by PeachTreeNole on Sep 20, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
someone is always watching~
I named my first born "Bud Elliott". She will thank me when she is older~
by slc.nole on Sep 20, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
meh, Charlie Weis probably doesn’t get to catch much CFB now that he’s back coaching.
by 38Noles on Sep 20, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ACC Future
The ACC should get 2/3 from Notre Dame, Penn State or West Virginia. Otherwise, we should go to the SEC (even if it costs us more $ now).
I agree
but a $20 million exit penalty is no small fine. Look at what we’re having to do to get a $14 million practice facility built.
They might help, true
but I’m just not confident they would want to if WVU is available
How do you know they want us at all?
The SEC may be a fantasy for Nole fans. If they had “wanted” us, I’m guessing thjings might have fallen out differently than they have.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
I think right now we are very attractive to the SEC.
When you consider what the PAC12 is going to get and what the ACC is doing by lovcking up basketball and the entire eastern seaboard of the US plus the potential to add ND when there are nothing but super conferences.
Does the SEC consider it a win to get Atm, Mizzou, WVU and Louisville? Plug FSU into ANY of those slots except for aTm and you get a MUCH better product for the SEC.
by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 20, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Your kidding yourself.
They are getting a and m for nothing. Everyone wants to be in the sec for the money and a lot of them don’t have a 20little million dollar price tag coming in. There will be 4in super conferences. Maybe let the dust settle and then make a move. Prob 4the or 5two years.
by pb4957 on Sep 20, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with that.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
You are assuming, I think,
that the SEC wants to enhance its product. FSU looks great under that assumption across the board. If it were us, would you want someone else who could beat your brains in or a program you could beat regularly but with a huge ($$$) fan base? Under that assumption Missouri is much more attractive than FSU as are several others. I think the “maximize the threat/revenue ratio” approach makes much more sense than “let’s get another gorilla in here.”
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
The ONLY assumption is that you expand for money.
Who has higher tv ratings, FSU or Mizzou?
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
true but
it only takes 3 or 4 votes to veto a new memeber, and I’d bet my house UF would try to block us
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Sep 21, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a separate issue.
But if the SEC is trying to keep pace with the Big Ten and Pac 12 in revenue (and I refuse to believe the Pac 12 is 100% done expanding) then the SEC will HAVE to add marquee teams to keep pace. I really don’t think some fictitious gentleman’s agreement is going to matter when dollars and cents start to come into play.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
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MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Oh wow, I can hear this conversation
“Look guys, they turned us down back in 1990. And now, they want out of their hoops league to join us. And they would be a lot of fun to have around. There’s just one thing….they want each school to kick in a million smackers to help them with their, uhm, exit fee of 20 big ones. They’ll pay the rest, soon as they get done building a brick garage to practice football in. I know the economy is a little tight right now and some of ours donors at places like, Florida might be miffed. Then there’s Auburn, who backed out of a game with them the last time it was scheduled via facisimile, they might not be too happy, that money being needed to pay for Cecil Newton’s church to get a new roof….”
No offense, but ask yourself, how much money do YOU want to pay to have Florida join the ACC?
We could presumably get $20M in a short term loan from banks or boosters
Say the SEC wanted us.
Their TV contract is $5M more per team than ours ($18M vs $13M). But they also retain 3rd tier regional rights. UF sells those to SunSports for $10M per year. Ours are probably worth $8M. The ACC’s contract includes those rights. So if we left we’d get that back.
Finally, increased attendance by opponents is worth – IMO – at least $1M. Sell 5000 extra seats x 4 home games x $50/ticket = $1M
So if we stay in the ACC, in two years time – we’d have earned $13M x 2 = $26M
If we went to the SEC, in two years time – we’d pay $20M, earn $18M x 2 = $36M from the SEC TV contracts, each $8M/yr on our 3rd tier rights = $8M x 2 = $16M and get an additional $2M in just ticket receipts.
Two year SEC earnings minus $20M ACC buyout = $36M + $16M + $2M – $20M = $34M
Obviously an oversimplification but probably also an underestimate if anything.
The $20M won’t keep us pinned to the ACC if there’s an SEC offer on the table.
by GraniteStateNoles on Sep 20, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
If something happens before Oct 1st FSU does not pay that 20 million
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 20, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
but again...
its all down to IF the SEC wants us.
And you can bet UF doesnt
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Sep 20, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
They play us anyways and that won't change.
And recruit against us. Is the issue watching us win an SEC Championship? Would that be too much for them?
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And now they can recruit against us with a ton more money
And say do you want big games against LSU, BAMA, UTenn, And all the other ACC schools or do you want to go play Ptt, BC, Cuse, Rutgers, Duke, and have your big game of the year against Clemson? We know , you want real football, welcome to UF and the SEC son
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Up until now, that has not had an effect on our recruiting
as we have been able to get top classes ever since we joined the ACC. However, with SEC and ACC seeming to take to very different directions in terms of football, it could get harder, even if we own the ACC.
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agreed its a benifit to UF to keep us out
That said i dont care if we are ACC or SEC so long as we kill them every year.
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Sep 21, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It also benefits UF.
They already play us. Other SEC schools do not. Their record won’t change because of our addition. Other schools’ records will.
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dont get me wrong. i agree with your point
i just think UF would love to deny us the $$$
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Sep 21, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
F the gayturds
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by tricknole on Sep 20, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
as always sir
your wit is immpecable
unlike my spelling
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Sep 21, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never understood the academic issues
Although I’ve never doubted how much it’s considered.
Honestly, just because GT is in the same conference as VT and Clemson, it doesn’t water down the engineering dominance on North Avenue.
These same schools that preach academics, lower the bar significantly in order to have a defensive line.
It's a league with a genteel mindset.
Like it or not, there it is. FSU had at least several nationally prominent/top tier programs, and seemed to be on the rise c. 1990. Given how little we’ve actually progressed, I’m not sure the ACC would take us today. And WVU doesn’t have any of that, if I’m not mistaken.
by PeachTreeNole on Sep 20, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
FSU is not even close to UVA, Duke or UNC, among other ACC members.
But we are actually closer to them than WVU is to us in academic stature. They’re just TOO bad. They have worse SAT/ACT scores than USF and UCF, for example. They can recruit unqualified players that no one else in the SEC can. They wouldn’t be as good in a REAL conference as they are in the Big East, I think.
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Penn State is not on the table at all. Nobody is leaving the guaranteed security of the Big Ten to take their chances with the ACC and the scraps from the Big East.
Actually, we're not getting the scraps.
We’re “cherry picking”. Now, whether or not any of the cherries are worth it is another matter.
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Notre Dame + Rutgers or UConn would be awsome
Adding just Notre Dame changes the conference landscape so much that the SEC might lose whatever comparative advantage that it currently has. I’d rather be in an ACC that is the equal of the SEC, than in the SEC with UF. Such an ACC is the best of all worlds to me. Potentially equal revenue, a football schedule that is not as brutal, and outside of football, a far more interesting conference. The academic prestige is icing on the cake.
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by Russ on Sep 20, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Until Notre Dame pulled out one day and ACC is still stuck with Uconn and Rutgers
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 20, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
TV ratings
Notre Dame adds eyes to TV sets nationwide. More revenue closes the gap with the SEC.
Outside of football, the ACC is just a better conference, and in my view, far more interesting.
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by Russ on Sep 20, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I believe the majority of us are not concerned with the ACC outside of of football
Football makes the money. Helps to secure all the athletic programs. This is what I am more concerned with.
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by hardcorenole on Sep 20, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
ACC made $21.2 million in football revenue in 2010;
only $8.6 million in basketball.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Little help?
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ND = Football $$$
We don’t know how much, but my guess is that ND’s impact to the ACC will make them the anti-Wake Forest. That is a good thing.
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by Russ on Sep 20, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Plus
The Mr. SEC article linked in the Conf Realignment thread mentions that NBC wants to get into the CFB game more. ND to the ACC could perhaps allow the ACC and NBC to come to some minor arrangement (it would need to be small at first, due to current contracts, I assume).
That's great IF it's Notre Dame
But….
Outside of football, the ACC is just a better conference, and in my view, far more interesting.irrelevant to the success, stability and tenure of FSU Athletics. Nobody cares about the ACC as a Conference. It’s a crappy conference for football in general.
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by hardcorenole on Sep 20, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not the majority but I am interested in the "big three"
Football, hoops and baseball.
When it comes to gymnastics, no league even approaches the SEC though, LOL.
I'm absolutely "concerned" about the programs FSU will be facing in non-football sports.
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Exactly
I know Football is king but Dang I care about all FSU sports.
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by willdabeast on Sep 21, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd love an FSU/ACC Network so I can watch all of our sports.
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I "care" too...
just not anywhere near as much as football. If we lose a baseball, basketball, volleyball or softball game it generally goes by unnoticed , as well as a win also. It’s nice, it’s cool that we have a lot of success with all of our sports, but honestly football is more visible. Generally speaking, football is the barometer to which the public measures your university’s athletic success. Basketball can have close to the same effect, it just isn’t as pronounced or cared about because of the money.
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by hardcorenole on Sep 21, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Trick...I know you are
but you aren’t what I would call the majority of people. Do you follow every single sport with the same passion and concern as football? I’d be willing to say the majority of us do not. It’s nice we made it to the Sweet 16 and Omaha and that all of our sports made postseason play. Just doesn’t have any bearing for me.
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by hardcorenole on Sep 21, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If other sports were aired on tv more I'd watch.
If more recruiting news was reported on other sports I’d read. Football brings in the most money. Football should be secured to make sure the entire AD is stable. But to say the majority of people on here don’t care about FSU’s other sports? If that’s true that’s pretty pathetic. Shame on all of you. Shun the nonbeliever(s).
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that's not going to happen IMO
I think the ACC is going to set at 14 for now….the goal was to get to 14 to stablize the conference(also adding the buyout increase) in case other conferences tried to poach a team or two…
Now…the ACC will see what happens with the Texas/OU situtation…..once the dominoes start falling…then they’ll know what the next step is….it has been documented that Notre Dame would prefer the ACC over Big Ten(so we know some sort of conversations have been had already IMO)…although they would preferably stay independant….but I think ultimately they’ll have to join a conference to stay viable…IF the ACC adds ND…that would pretty much solidfy the ACC…and then they can pick one other school to round out to 16……which is where TCU comes to mind….unless TCU is excited about a possible merger between what’s left of the Big East/Big 12 should OU and Texas bolt to PAC…
TCU would also add another market in….the ACC would have the entire east coast locked up….and parts of the midwest….that’s money right there….
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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 20, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ehh..I think they could compete
IF BC was competitive in the ACC for all those years…I’m sure TCU could be given they are in a fertile talent area….Boise on the other hand…nope.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 20, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But...
TCU has made a firm commitment to its football program. over $150 million upgrade to their stadium going on now, i believe. Their schedule wasn’t great but they’ve shown the commitment necessary to compete, especially recruiting in Texas…Acc would expand that recruiting base as well
by Matthew Juaire on Sep 20, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, Patterson has already targeted the state of Florida the past two seasons and is making great in-roads with the HS coaches
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 20, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
TCU would instantly become the best funded Football team in the ACC if they joined tomorrow. They have a wealthy alumni base who wants to spend on football.
They had a top 10 football budget in all of college last year.
They are undergoing a $165mm renovation of their stadium.
They have build facilities that might be nicer than any ACC team over the last 10 years.
The sought out a AQ conference instead of ran (like Boise).
TCU is more serious about investing in football than just about any school in the ACC except maybe FSU (Clem?) and is poised for a very good future.
Well said
Not to mention TCU easily has a top 3 head coach in Patterson, an incredibly underrated DC in Bumpas, and the school itself has just under $1 billion in endowment. TCU is doing better than it ever has before.
TCU would well surpasses the academic profile sought by the Presidents and Chancellors in the ACC as well. They would do well in the ACC if such a scenario came to pass.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 20, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That hasn't been updated recently then
Currently about $982 million
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 21, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Wrong.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 20, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
From the standpoint of the ACC, they should wait for ND to make the move and then use the last spot to try and entice another big name football team into the conference. Penn St comes to mind. They didn’t want to join the Big 10 in the first place.
Penn State ain't leaving Big 10
But…yea…I think the goal is to add ND…then entice another solid football school to join to round out the conference.
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You're probably right that PSU is staying in the B1G
But if you’re the ACC, and Notre Dame decides to join as a full member, who is the forst school that you ask to be #16? I’d ask Penn State. The worst that can happen is that they’ll say “no.” After they decline, then I evaluate other schools to be #16.
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It's not even like PSU and ND have a long, heated rivalry.
They’ve played less than 20 times in the past like 90 years. I’d be fine with UConn basketball as #16 to ND as #15. I don’t think Rutgers “adds” the NYC market but I think they help and I think NJ is a large enough state that Rutgers would add a good amount of viewers regardless. But UConn basketball is better than Rutgers anything, imo.
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I can tell you that TCU hasn't had any talks with anyone from the ACC right now.
Our Chancellor and AD left this morning to fly to NYC to speak with the remaining BE admins. Here is the current pref list for TCU, based on realistic options that have presented themselves:
1. Stay the course, enter the BE, merge with the remaining B12 members and possibly add another school or two from MW or CUSA.
2. Revert back to the MW conference, which has added Fresno, Nevada, and Hawaii to the 2012 slate. MW is currently discussing the idea of forming a championship alliance with CUSA and trying for an auto-bid that way (they wouldn’t get one).
That’s what I can tell from from Ft Worth :) I will know more tomorrow, but the main goal for TCU is to stick with the BE for now.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 20, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
*Forgot to mention that the B12 and MW will absolutely go after BYU to join as well, their independence won't last more than one season IMO
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 20, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
NTT
Yea..I haven’t heard that TCU/ACC have had talks….I was just throwing the name out there…I know they wanna be in a AQ conference….with the Big East falling apart….I wasn’t sure they’d want to stay the course even though they are supposed to go there next year….just saying..if the ACC landed ND…TCU would make sense IMO.
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Oh no worries, I am just in a position where I can give news about whatever TCU is doing (I know a lot of Nole fans don't care but hey, it makes me feel special haha)
I tend to agree that the ACC would make sense. Comparable private institutions already exist in the conference and have had success. TCU is an attractive add to a conference based on its academic reputation and the growing athletic program (aside from basketball).
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 20, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I care
its interesting….. keep it coming.
I care because I would love for TCU to join the ACC so we can kick their butts in football to make up for their win in baseball last year.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Clemson's def front...
How do their D-tackles compare to Oklahoma’s? I worry about this considering how bad the interior of our line is.
After re-watching, the interior was not as bad as I thought. Backs and QB also made errors.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Encouraging.
I thought both QBs had ALL DAY to throw… very impressed with pass protection again. (That is, right up until the point where OU was bringing the house against Trickett.)
Really, Jimbo said
that the backs were doing alright and line was lacking. He said that in the presser
D-Hop has tiger blood
Really complicated game. Line didn’t play well, just wasn’t sole issue.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Bud I don't expect anyone else to bring the kind of pressure OU was able to
I haven’t seen that kind of pressure on FSU quarterbacks in awhile, especially on Trickett in the fourth, they were coming after him.
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 20, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Just as other teams tried to simulate the HUNH O last year after OU
They will bring the house against Trickett until we consistently show we can pick it up and Trick can make the throws.
OU is very well coached as has fast LBs. Others failed last year in trying to mimic OU, let’s hope the same happens when they try to do it this year. Freshman immobile QB means you’ll be seeing the heat until we burn it on a consistent basis.
This. I was in the endzone that Shaw took the hit in..
And thus had Trickett’s vantage point in terms of coverage during the 4th quarter. OU’s D had the passing lanes locked down and you could see how a young QB would have trouble with that many guys in those spaces.
Agreed. I thought Krug struggled
Which was surprising because according to Old Buc, Krug was going to stonewall Brandon Thompson with one hand and take his lunch money with the other.
He kruggled.
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by FSUvaFan on Sep 20, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This was his first exposure to that level of competition and that type of game atmosphere
I know he faces off against our D-line in practice, but that intensity level compared to the other two games may have been overwhelming. I’m interested in seeing how he grades out.
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Good point about his first time environment. He has been one of our 2 weakest links, but somehow I think he will get it together.
Or I hope anyway.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Wildcat
I know we’ve never done it in the pass, but I thought that was more because we had a mobile qb. Assuming EJ and the injured receivers can’t go, any chance we might to this as a change-up to C. Trickett? Since the strength of the o-line is the tackles, might be a way to generate a running game.
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I could see us running it with C. Green eventually
Not sure it would be now (he’s got a lot of playbook to get down), but he was a HS QB after all.
that was more of a "we really need to have our best athlete (by a mile) touch the ball on every down situation.
by DoubleNickel on Sep 20, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t we direct snap it to Reid a few times when he was a freshman? I know he played some offense but can’t remember the Plays we ran with him.
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sophomore year
He took 1 wildcat snap against Oklahoma and one toss sweep against Sanford.
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by AMFKNole on Sep 20, 2011 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and he has a sore knee. No on the wildcat unless we're talking about wilder taking a snap.
I would much rather have Trickett taking the snap than Wilder or one of our four remaining wideouts. Much rather have Trickett throwing than Green or Reed. If you need a makeshift run game have Trick throw a bubble or screen.
And no on the wildcat ever because he can’t run inside and fumbles a lot.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Avis Commack
Any possibility of him jumping back to WR for a few games if we really need it?
This is almost inevitable.
I think the only scenario where we won’t need more than 4 receivers would be if our defense plays completely lights out again…. in which case we can afford to mix up an awkward BC-esque pro style arrangement of runs/passes. It won’t look pretty and we won’t light up the scoreboard, but with patience we can capitalize on their frustration and put up scores.
Otherwise, I can’t see how we can only run 4 guys at WR. With our underperforming and mysteriously vanishing set of TEs, it seems inevitable that we need 3+ WR on the field for a segment of the game, and 1 backup simply isn’t enough to support those formations.
Jermaine Thomas?
Or can we not afford it with our crappy OL and ineffective RB’s?
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almost seems like wilder would be a good play
we dont have good run blocking anyway, so why does it matter if his head is up or not
plus he gets at least 3 yards each time
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by SteadfastNole on Sep 20, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not exactly doing much running back.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Just find a way to geth through this game...
With a bye, plus WF and Duke we have plenty of time for WRs to get healthy.
Injuries are a worst case scenario
… considering our running game is our weakness and this is the most important conference game, and it’s in Death Valley.
EJ...
I have a feeling this game will mirror last year’s Clemson game in that EJ will warm up before the game and not start similar to how Ponder warmed up and looked fine in warmups last year but didn’t play.
by Albany_Nole on Sep 20, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I feel pretty confident with Clint under center.
I just hope that our o-line can sustain a running game and protect him on play-action.
I think people are going to get a big Shock if Trick starts
People seem to think he will be fine. Well, its simply not the case in my mind. He came in and threw 1 pass against ULM and it went for a TD already turning into a cult figure. Comes in against CSU and gets 2 more against CSU. And late when they were worn down. Comes in against OU throws into triple coverage and gets a nice play by the WR to the house and next thing you know people feel he is ready to go. He almost got killed a few times against OU because he has virtually ZERO running ability. And going against a real team like Clemson from the beginning with no running game by the Noles this year and a sketchy OLine and missing your best 3 or 4 WR is something that will not work. If he starts under those circumstances I would not be surprised if he throws 3 picks against Clemson. We cant run so he gets no break their. And he has had a start that is ok but sound so much better then it is and people are suddenly super confident with him. the only game that you can som ewhat judge was OU and he was not stellar. His TD pass was lucky and he looked like a tackling dummy. Maybe I am alone in this. But We prob lose under the scenario in place that may be for Saturday. Can say I am wrong and that people disagree. I am just making this judgement KoolAid less and going off the actual facts of what has transpired.
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Regardless of the TD pass
did we not drive the field with him at QB?
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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 20, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I didn't think we did.
Did we?
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kind of agree w/ this but,
i think trick has a better understanding of this offense than you might think, not just a coaches son, but son of the coach of the o-line he is playing behind. I think Jimbo can come up w/ a quick passing game to help him out, dont expect great things from him, but w/ this D i think he can manage a win with the right gameplan like EJ has the last two years w/ a simplified playbook and the option.
by New Mexico Nole on Sep 20, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he will make a handful of VERY impressive plays.
But AT LEAST an equal amount of bad plays. He doesn’t have near the escapability of Manuel and our OL is a wreck right now. I’d predict a big fat loss if he starts and plays the whole game. Unless our defense gets some KEY/CRUCIAL turnovers (ie, pick 6, fumble recovery inside the redzone, etc.).
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yeah, lots of guys were, but it’s a Monday and they get treatment on Mondays if it is precautionary.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
True So honestly who do you think will not play this week?
I think no Shaw, Manuel, Reed, Haulstead, Reid, or Haggins
I think Shaw, Haulstead, and Haggins are OUT for sure.
Manuel and Reed questionable…50/50 at best.
I don’t see why Greg Reid wouldn’t play considering he played the whole game against OU.
by Albany_Nole on Sep 20, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd agree with you besides Shaw.
I am almost certain we’ve seen guys come back from a concussion within a week’s time frame. (Maybe there are new protocols in place for concussions that mandate more time than that….?)
Just seems like Jimbo and Co
Err on the side of caution. I realize Spurlock and Haulstead have each had 2 concussions but even on their first ones they were out for a while
by Albany_Nole on Sep 20, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Meyer
Threw Tebow out there 2 days after a concussion
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 20, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
if he was really unconscious
and I assume he was, is a grade C (most severe) concussion. I would hope they wouldn’t risk playing him one week later.
I was KO'd and had no ill effects 24 hours later. In fact, I think I was fine by the next morning.
Playing basketball, tried to block a shot at high rate of speed, flew past guy and knocked my head onto metal pole. Apparently I staggered a couple steps and sat down Indian style. The weirdest part of it was, after a couple seconds and coming to, I was cross eyed for an hour or so. (Not sure if my eyes were actually crossed, but my vision was being interpreted by my mushed up brain as crossed.)
Anyway, I guess there are modern protocols, and good ones, for the safety of the kids, but I also think that some of those rules are made with broad brush strokes for liability’s sake.
But if unconscious = grade C = sit for 2 weeks, that’s the brakes.
Didn't you also have like 3 ACL surgeries
and like a broken shoulder and a bunch of other stuff?
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 20, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You callin' me fragile? (But yeah, I've taken some lumps.)
Compound fracture of both bones in the left forearm. Fractured both wrists, on separate occasions. Shattered metacarpal. The 3 ACL reconstructions you’ve mentioned (two auto-grafts, one cadaver). Separated shoulder. Torn hamstring. Microfracture surgery to repair a divot in the medial femoral chondile… I think that about does it for major injuries… though plenty of stitches, eye patches and such.
Surprisingly, all of these are from different events.. though I’d probably argue the knee injuries are inter-connected, stemming initially from that hamstring tear.
Holy crap man
you must have a very active lifestyle
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 20, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You're soft man. You're as soft as the current and previous FSU QB's.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Wasn't brittle a word used for Ponder?
(I hope you know I just joshing with you, especially since some people said that EJ3 was soft)
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Same knee for those 4 surgeries?
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I think the order of the knee injuries was...
Right ACL/autograft.
Right ACL/cadaver.
Left cartilage/microfracture surgery
Left ACL/autograft.
Ironically, never had a severe injury playing tackle football. All of this knee junk (and the shattered metacarpal) happened after college, in recreational flag football leagues. Ridiculous.
Why so doubtful about Reed?
I thought he pretty much just had a sprained ankle and Saturday will be two weeks from the date of injury.
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by CrimiNole Defense on Sep 20, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Greg will play IMO
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised to see both Manuel and Shaw play
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 20, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure kenny stills got his bell rung.
When he made that sliding catch. Still played the whole game.
by pb4957 on Sep 20, 2011 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They talked that up on the broadcast
but i dont see how he got his bell rung. Joyner never connected on the play except for elbow to the helmet which im sure hurt joyner more. Stills got up like joyner laid the wood but he was a split second late, hell of a catch though.
watch the replay
He left the game and you can tell he got his bell rung. Either from the hit or the bounce off the ground.
by pb4957 on Sep 20, 2011 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Freeman has really good hands
don’t know how many plays he could learn though
If nothing else, he could stretch a defense.
I have no idea if he can catch a ball intended for him, and I doubt he could run a route within 10 yards of where it should be, but that kid can run.
K. Benjamin is in for a shirt. Hasn’t even dressed yet.
by DoubleNickel on Sep 20, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s a redshirt
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Not a starter, guess I just didn’t think about him.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't tell you how much I wish this to happen.
I am surrounded by them here and they talk constantly about how great they are doing and they should have no problems winning the Atlantic Division.
"It's our time."
They feel good about beating a Auburn team with the 117th ranked defense in the country?
Auburn could easily be 0-3 right if not for shear luck…I like Auburn but they have not only had a houseshoe shoved in their a$$, they have had the whole horse up there…Clemson will be in for a surprise Saturday if they feel like that…i promise
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I live in clemson just about so imagine the $#!* I have to hear from them.
by NOLEisticscience on Sep 20, 2011 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are absolutely right, they will not know what is happening as the QB hands off to
Tim Jernigan for a 90 yard touchdown run
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 20, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I get down on us but then remember him
Defensive battle that comes down to clock management and savvy moves? Jimbo >>>> Dabo
by Nolesos Locos on Sep 20, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad Clemson won
That way they didn’t use up one of their 2-3 “Dabo losses” on the game. It gives us a better chance now!
How about this?
I just sent this in an email to my Clempson buddy at work after seeing this quote from one of their beat writers on Twitter:
Dabo: “turning on film of Fla. St. defense Sunday…it didn’t take long to come down off high of beating Auburn”
“Hold me, Chad…comfort me. We are playing FSU’s defense on Saturday. I have a pee stain on the front of my pants and these belts look ridiculous…”
by Pinto on Sep 20, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
My g/f has one just like it, without the kitty paws though, but very similar.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Reply fail to Boston.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I think we will be fine at QB either way
We def need to see more of NOL…I know he had a shoulder injury a month or so back is this still a lingering issue Bud or does he not know the play book enough yet?…so far hes impressed me
jimbo said it wasn’t an injury, but…
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 20, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
IMO, I think coach looked at hits to Haggins and Shaw, etc, walked over to NOL and lovingly informed him that “he wasn’t going to die today.”
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Jimbo did say
that NOL will see more time. Can’t remember which twitter feed i read that on, but I just read it this morning.
by Matthew Juaire on Sep 20, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Ledge
Living in SC, I really need to be talked off the ledge here. Clemson fans are acting like they just beat the #1 team in the country and are confident enough to think they can beat FSU even if the Noles were at full strength.
Is there any good news, health-wise, with this team right now? How freakin’ hard did Joyner hit Haulstead??
That is my point from my post above...They are apparently the best team in the country right now...
oh brother
"It's our time."
I went up there after the Auburn game and as JediNole said they were acting as if they just beat the #1 team in the land. I was repeatedly harrased for wearing my FSU and I was there to watch the FSU game later with friends. It was an absoulte mad house. All I heard is we beat the defending champions,we ended the 17 game streak and yes FSU you are next…I can’t repeat some of the other things that were said
by NOLEisticscience on Sep 20, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did I really see Clemon fans raid the field after they won?
Come on guys act like you been there before…not to mention Auburn wasnt ranked top five or anything close
no you didnt.
They have folding goal posts and allow you to go on the field after games.
by pb4957 on Sep 20, 2011 11:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah, I was there I saw it.
I really think even the cops knew they couldn’t hold them back.
Release the hounds.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Tell them to put their money where their mouth is
Tell them they should stomp us without our QB, TE, and top 4 WR’s.
Then tell them you’ll put any amount they want on FSU +10.5. If their so cocky they’ll do it, if they balk then you can make fun of them that they think their so tough but they can’t beat half an FSU team by double digits?
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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 20, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is all in fun
I am looking at one Clemson sight and one fellow was saying Clemson five in a row for FSU in death valley FSU is not going to know what hit them.
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How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche
by DocHoliday2 on Sep 20, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a sterootype. Just because he is German doesn't mean he smells like a Frenchman.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Well Frenchman don't smell like
brats, beer and cigarettes. Frenchman smell like sweat and yeast.
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by hardcorenole on Sep 20, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Also the yeast smell in French women is not attractive, nor all the hair where hair shouldn't be.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Clemson sucks.
F the sons of Clem
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EJ is not gonna play guys
Everything else is smokescreen so Clemson has to prepare for him. I have no inside sources mind you but Jimbo’s caution in the past tells me we won’t see EJ till NC State at the earliest. Just remember what went down with Bradford when he sprained/strained his AC Joint.
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by AMFKNole on Sep 20, 2011 10:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think he might play
just because after this week we basically have 3 weeks off that Clint can take over while he rests. By then I expect Haggins, Reed, NOL, Shaw, EJ, and Haulstead to be back at full strength (assuming Haulstead doesn’t RS).
By the Maryland game (Oct. 22) I expect to be back at full strength and destroy everyone but UM and UF, which I think we can win both after watching them.
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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 20, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is about the way I see it
If Manuel can get through one game, which I think he can, he takes a needed rest
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How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche
by DocHoliday2 on Sep 20, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Who would you rather have playing??
EJ with no mobility (no designed runs because of the banged up shoulder)
or
Clint
Basically would you rather have Clint or EJ standing in the pocket??
EJ, since the threat to run is still higher than with Clint
I think the question is: how healthy/effective is EJ on Saturday, and how high is the re-injury risk.
by Nolesos Locos on Sep 20, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think turnovers are what will get us beat in this game.
So if I had a choice of 2 qb’s to just sling it around, Slim Trickett would be our best option, no?
by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 20, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Trickett did darn good vs OU considering,
But I think Steele can gameplan against him much more easily than against EJ. Clemson isn’t OU of course, but we had something like 1 sack before they adjusted to Clint, 4 sacks after. I love Trick but I simply don’t think he’s ready to START against a very good team. Might be a moot point though…
by Nolesos Locos on Sep 20, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if we can establish a run game (I know it's a longshot) Clint can be dangerous.
With no run game to slow the blitz it’ll be a long afternoon.
Manuel better not play.
That’s a month to get his AC right. I don’t believe a damned thing FSU releases about his injury. Even a month might not make it right, but good enough to play since it’s his non-throwing shoulder.
But if he goes out at 60% (just a guess) against Clemson and hurts it even more he will be done for a lot longer than 3 weeks.
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I think he plays.
This game could decide our division. Much more important than OU. Rub some tussin on it EJ.
by buckeyeNOLE on Sep 20, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Tussin hahahaha
Haven’t heard that since my grandmother was alive years ago……nice
by NOLEisticscience on Sep 20, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Clemson was important last year, so was VT
We sat Christian in both.
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by AMFKNole on Sep 20, 2011 11:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But we had a much better backup option
by nolesblogger on Sep 20, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The lawsuit landscape has changed things.
Not to say it isn’t warranted but aside from some serious injuries it seems like were soft. Scooter is used to playing for Bill Castle where if you want to play at all you suck it up. Reed has to play unless he cant walk. EJ as well. Again, unless the injures are way worse than we even guess at this point.
by pb4957 on Sep 20, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Careful with the tussin now, we don't want EJ to become Jimbo's second QB to get hooked on purple drank.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
The risk of permanent injury is the same
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by AMFKNole on Sep 20, 2011 11:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
But I would love to see the ACC work some sort of deal with ND, and Texas…I think its a reach but would be awesome to see
I'd take back every bad thing I've ever said about Swofford
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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 20, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Besides the revenue
and the athletics, and the academics, and Austin. But other than that, absolutely.
by paperjames on Sep 20, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
where else would ND go?
I doubt they’ll be able to stay independant….they don’t wanna goto the Big Ten….
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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 20, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
no way they'd goto that mess...
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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 20, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Notre Dame will take the easiest path that makes them look like they want competition.
That would be the ACC. They get to look like they want to play in a tough conference withuot actually having to play a really tough schedule. That’s what they do.
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by Nole Resurrected on Sep 20, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They'd love playing Baylor, Kansas State, Iowa State, South Florida, Central Florida, West Virginia, Louisville and Cincinnati every year.
As well as possibly Houston, Memphis and ECU every year. And if I’m an ND fan, I prefer Pitt, Cuse, UConn and pretty much the entire 12-team ACC over that Big East/Big XII merger.
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I would love to see ND to the ACC. Just don't think it's going to happen.
Obviously one party will have to cave. If ND does sign up, it will be b/c the ACC caved and gave them the same deal ND currently has with the Big East.
Swofford is on record saying that they have had discussions with ND in the past
and it always came down to this point. He said the ACC does not believe in the partial membership. You are either ALL IN or you are out, even if you are ND.
The ACC won’t budge on that.
by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 20, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And ND is trying to hold onto Independence as much as you can
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ND may realize that they are now in a world where independence is a poor option
If that happens, I’d bet money on the ACC.
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True
My hope comes from the fact that they’ve acknowledged that things might force their hand at some point. I’m hoping they see this happening and choose to get into the ACC.
Yep. NDs fear is that the Big East may be dissolving and they wont be able to have their cake and eat it too. As much as FB drives the bus, its difficult dealing being an independent in other sports on the campus (e.g. TX desire for the Big 12 to stay alive as well).
Let’s look at it this way and assume that the ACC is taking a four-fold approach:
What we know:
A) First solidify the conference to exhibit the fact that it will remain and wont be broken up – Which means increase the fee & unanimously have all members agree as a show of strength (check & done)
2) Understanding they will not “catch” the SEC in being the premier FB conference in their regional area – the goal is to be a viable TOP 3 as conferences expand and contract and there is a move to super-conferences. So they weaken and destabilize a direct atlantic competitor that they can easily “hit” and is directly in bed with ESPN – Poach from Big East (check & done)
Now the speculative next possible steps:
D) Use a combination of both “market” and “brand” strategy for to renegotiate their current contract financially that can be reworked pending conference affiliation change:
- Use loss of those media markets as an additional leveraging chip with ESPN (who loses market share with no longer having said Big East teams in football & basketball) and traditional brand teams (FSU, Miami) & Top 25 teams (VT, Clemson) to improve their deal
- And/or possibly create a platform for an ACCN with ESPN (a la Longhorn Network) or on their own with affiliates
Green) Place themselves in position if ND (who prefers the Big 10 btw) can’t viably stay independent in position to be an option if both parties can agree to terms about participation (Which the ACC will demand all or nothing)
As much as people gripe about the ACC (And believe I have some issues with them too) … They have actually being somewhat proactive in conference re-alignment over the years (They added FSU from the Metro Conference during the first go round. Then they added Miami & VT from the Big East. Then they added Syracuse and Pitt this go round). It may not be the traditional FB teams we like – But they’re doing what they can with the weapons they have in the position that they are in to make themselves viable and one of the conferences that remain with AQ & BCS potential now and flexibility as the existence of the BCS rules may change.
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Nice summary
The key issue:
Understanding they will not "catch" the SEC in being the premier FB conference in their regional area – the goal is to be a viable TOP 3 as conferences expand and contract and there is a move to super-conferences.
Considering that there will be four known super-conferences (ACC, PAC 10, Big 10 and SEC) and one (possibly two) unknown conference comprised of Big 12 remainders+Big East remainders+Boise State, Swofford has ensured we will survive as a football conference and thrive as a basketball conference. I want to thrive as a football conference too. Swafford knows that’s where the money is and I bet at least one of the remaining two schools will make a football splash.
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
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Yep. I think they (ACC) is doing what it can in a climate of uncertain times to first preserve itself, second strengthen itself and third, leave options for future growth (via reworked TV deal and possible more additions).
The issue with adding the two large fishes (UT & ND) is that conference want relatively equal revenue sharing when it comes to tv deals/rights. Its difficult for a team like Nebraska (for instance) to swallow where they play in conference championship game and Texas doesnt even qualify for a bowl and to see the revenue share UT gets – sort of a no matter what they (UT) wins scenario. Its why the Pac 12 has initially balked at adding UT and its the issue with the Big 12 (& A&M) now. She who controls the tv has too much influence in conference decisions.
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this is for FSUjab
The ACC would not allow ND to join in all other sports and allow them to stay independant in football….you can take that to the bank…plus…look at this..
Why would teams in all the major superconferences want to play ND at that point? That’s right…they wouldn’t….because they can play other schools in their conference and get on TV, etc….
Which is why ND is going to have to join a conference in football.
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The ACC knows if they reject ND's "half-in" plan that ND wouldn't be able to get into the Big Ten with that plan, either.
They also likely know that ND would MUCH rather play ACC schools than Big East/Big XII scrubs.
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EJ probably shouldn't play this week against Clemson
and we really shouldn’t need him for the 3 next weeks. Hopefully he gets all healed up andTrickett gets valuable experience. If we can just come out of Death Valley with a win, no matter how ugly, I’m hopeful that we’ll have time to heal up over the next 3 weeks (as much as you can heal during a season).
I am very very impressed with Trickett so far but,
in the year or more he has been at FSU WHY HASNT HE PUT ON ANY WEIGHT????
A- blood type.
Like me. They are notorious hard gainers.
by PeachTreeNole on Sep 20, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
There is no scientific basis
Regarding blood type and weight gain. RBC antigens have no bearing on such things.
Roses are red, Violets are blue, If it wears orange, Kill it.
come on
Any self repecting TN’er know it’s all about the copper content of one’s blood!
You can't form healthy blood protein when you are copper deficient
Not so fast my friends
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
There are reasons
why the royal families of the world have historically used sterling silver utensils. It is 15% copper. It is not something that should concern the masses such as yourself however. When you connect the relays of a computer, silver and copper is used. It conducts electrical charge. Give your brain a fighting chance.
A casual stroll through the mental asylum shows that faith does not prove anything...Nietzsche
How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche
I believe you Doc. I just sent Spetman an email telling him that our training table should only use sterling silver utensils which would give us a competitive advantage.
I encourage everyone to do the same. You can send it to him by going here
http://www.seminoles.com/chat/092409aaa.html
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LMFAO!!!
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by hardcorenole on Sep 20, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank
These neophytes! Grasshoppers I have been around the block a few times, football is not my only interest, I have known some Chinese doctors and various mahatmas from India. There is a reason the Chinese have used copper silver teapots for centuries. It is not just the tea. Silver and copper collide leech out of the pot into the tea. China is now in the process of buying up copper mines at present. Get yourself some now while you can still afford it.
I can assure you, assure you that very large bronze frying pans are used in the Shaolin temples of China and the east. Bronze contains copper as well as gold and silver in some cases. The Japanese are very high on their silver tumblers used to drink saki for these very reasons. So giggle if you must, 200 years ago they though the earth was flat also.
Not only does it help fire neurons in the brrain, copper and silver/copper will kill any known pathogen or virus upon contact. More advanced countries, Switzerland to be exact are using silver bandages with burn victims as it aids the healing process. Copper is known also to aid arthritis symptoms, this has been known for centuries.
Our native Americans (which we purport to represent) so you should be marginally familiar with their culture, have always considered silver and copper as essential. The sterling bracelets they wear were a type of traveling medicine cabinet also. You could boil them in water, drink it and it had antibiotic effects. The medicine men revered silver for a reason. It was much quicker than allowing a squash to deteriorate and using the penicillin mold which formed.
With much talk about increasing the academic standing of the university, ti would seem wise to at least understand the basic minerals connected to cognitive function. Anything otherwise seems self defeating.
Of course continue to absorb styrofoam, teflon and aluminum if you will, however your brain will suffer. They are not good conductors as the ancients knew thousands of years ago.
So grasshoppers there are many things involved in this equation other than simply forming proper blood protein.
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How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche
by DocHoliday2 on Sep 20, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Eesh.
1. They has styrofoam thousands of years ago?
2. Teflon?
3. Pretty sure not Aluminum too.
Me thinks Doc has invested heavily in metals, specifically copper and silver/copper.
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That is exactly why I spent almost $7,000 for my personal hyperbaric chamber, to cleanse the toxins that accumulate in my body from being in contact with other disease ridden humans on a daily basis.
Regardless, I will post Spetman’s reply on the sterling silverware for the training table as soon as I get receive it back from him.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Silver is a better conductor than copper
Why would copper in sterling silver be beneficial to a person’s health?
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Neurons in the CNS
conduct impulses via sodium, potassium, chloride and calcium channels. Until the revolution, we are not computers
by NeuroNole on Sep 20, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't Sterling silver 92.5% silver by definition?!
by mountain renegade on Sep 20, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, are you suggesting that Native Americans are a singular culture?
If so, where can I go to marginally familiarize myself with their culture?
by mountain renegade on Sep 20, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Get a 1965 Encyclopedia Britannica and look under "Indians"
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
How/Why do you know C. Trickett's blood type?
lol
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by CrimiNole Defense on Sep 20, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It may have been reduced to type O as we speak
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How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche
by DocHoliday2 on Sep 20, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Take a good look around you
At how the Chinese and East indians excel academically. Their culture is known to use copper utensils, copper tea pots.
A casual stroll through the mental asylum shows that faith does not prove anything...Nietzsche
How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche
And they drill rote memory exercises, demand academic excellence, and do not allow for distractions. But it’s probably the tea pots =)
by Nolesos Locos on Sep 20, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And aluminum foil hats ward off aliens and evil spirits.
I also have some snake oil for sale. Just $19.95 and you can cure whatever ails you!
pretty sure the chinese use like wooden chopsticks
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 20, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, their numbering system is made up of simple single syllable sounds
This makes them easier to remember and you can cram m ore numbers into a ten second time frame which is the average recall time for the human brain.
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
Weight gain/loss
=Calories in – calories out.
(Meals- (Basal metabolic rate+ nonresting energy expenditure))
The variables for “hard gainers” are really only things like insulin sensitivity which are partially genetic/partially diet related and macronutrient ratios in the diet. Point being, with a good nutritionist/S&C program the idea of a true hard gainer is pretty obsolete. Clint’s got both. I just hope he follows along with the program
Haha. Alright man
There are lots and lots and lots and lots of posts on here about Clint “not being able to gain weight”. That’s why I commented
I would be stupid excited to see Notre Dame come to the ACC
and for one major, major reason:
The National Broadcasting Company. NBC.
We could re-work our ACC contract with ESPN that would include 16 teams in football, basketball, and all olympic sports. This group would include, say, ND and defending mens BBall national champ UConn. Or hell, maybe Rutgers. IMO, UConn adds more value in bball than Rutgers does (But if you follow the two more closely than I do, please feel free to correct me).
In the re-working of the contract, we would have to factor in that NBC has a vested interest in ND football and will want to continue to be involved. For that matter, so would Notre Dame. If we allow for all ND home games to be broadcast via NBC, this would probably keep ND happy. But with a conference package, NBC could broadcast even more content in away weeks. And its possible that NBC and ABC/ESPN could get into a bidding war for rights to broadcast the ACCCG or some of that other major content. Hell, for poops and giggles we can try to get Fox/FX back to the table and make it a three-way. And if they’re interested, NBC (or whoever wins) can option to broadcast ACC bball content too.
In the end, though, the ACC would be MUCH better off with both dollars and exposure if we get a package deal similar to what the SEC has with both ESPN and CBS. And if we can bring both ND and NBC into the fold, we can come very very close to that.
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NOL
We’ve got plenty of TE’s to have NOL line up as a WR once in a while.
by TallyDynasty on Sep 20, 2011 11:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Which TEs are you talking about?
Reliford: Inconsistent on a good day, lost normally
Little: Brick hands
Will Tye: Has he even played?
Who else?
Antonio Gates?
Clint Trickett=Ken Dorsey 2.0
Maybe they could just pass block while NOL is out wide or something. They can at least block right???
by NOLEisticscience on Sep 20, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think O'leary plays.
Clint Trickett=Ken Dorsey 2.0
Leave the TE to block like prior years. If we’re looking to spell the WO’s and keep legs fresh it’s not unreasonable.
by TallyDynasty on Sep 20, 2011 11:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was SO mad at EJ for that pick
until I got home and watched the replay. Darn you Mr. Reliford, stay put!
by Nolesos Locos on Sep 20, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking we should put Lonnie at Tailback.
JWJ at FB and then JWJ at Tailback and Lonnie at FB just keep switchin it, little DFree, little CT at times. But ALOT of JWJ atleast he could just push the pile right?
Clint Trickett=Ken Dorsey 2.0
wasnt the fridge from clemson?
Not that it matters….
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by slumgullion on Sep 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If by weird you mean BADASS
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by CrimiNole Defense on Sep 20, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
A few things I must say...
1) Vince Williams is a beast at middle linebacker and hits like a train wreck. (Had to give him some due credit)
2) Rashad Greene definitely has next. The fact that he could come into a BIG game and not let the magnitude get to him and perform just like he did in the other two previous games shows a lot. Plus seeing him get blasted and still hold onto the ball and get up like it wasn’t a big deal says even more. You can tell he puts a lot of time in his craft and the confidence really shows.
3) I would like to see Karlos Williams at the (FS) spot more because I am just not seeing much from the upper-classmen in T. Parks and I know Nick Moody is injured. I know we just expect these guys to play solid and not make mistakes but it’s starting to look like Joyner is doing everything in our defensive backfield. I think Karlos would be better off if he got the in-game experience and I am pretty sure he could do what we are asking of Parks and Moody but with the added ability to make plays every now and then.
4) FSU should leave for the SEC with the ACC acknowleding that it wants to be a basketball superconference with it’s recent additions. Plus the ACC never really gave FSU it’s due respect especially in the scheduling department. But we must get our O-line situation cleared up prior. Either Trickett needs to change his philosophy so we can be more attractive to O-line recruits(even though we did a great job last cycle) or we need to go in another direction because if we had Miami’s Oline we beat Oklahoma.
5) Oline: The issue with the O-line is that it took too long for us to gain commitments from high ranking lineman. We don’t have adequate depth which is why we had to go the JUCO route and before that we had players that were complete projects coming in with some having to grey-shirt and red-shirt to develop more. We all know that Trickett’s coaching style scares off a lot of big name O-line recruits and that lack of talented road-grading hole punching lineman is starting to show. Like I said previously, if we had Miami’s O-line we beat Oklahoma. We are doing a great job recruiting O-linemen as of late but will Trickett turn them into Wisconsin style road graders or finesse (West Virginia) style lineman is the only question.
by zone3nole on Sep 20, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rashad Greene I can see as the peter warrick type…he just makes plays…I would also like to see Karlos in but i think he hasnt had enough time to absorb the defense…and yes the OLine is below average in the run game and something has to get better or change
I'm not sure...
But if he did, it just proves that he’s not getting enough playing time to be noticed. He needs to get real playing time so he can have the chance to make an impact and so we can get a gauge on his talent and potential… Even though we all know he has the talent….
True
camfsu you might have confused Trickett for LOS…lol
This is a player participation list
http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2011-2012/fs91711.html
He is on there.
D-Hop has tiger blood
That would have been a big confusion
LOS for Trickett. lol Like Zone3Nole said his play obviously didnt warrant any recognition even if he did play.
D-Hop has tiger blood
You laugh, but
the first time I noticed C Jones play last year, I just saw #7 and thought “WTF are you doing Jimbo?!”.
by mountain renegade on Sep 20, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
PW's coming out party....
Clemson…I was there and it was awesome!
Let’s hope history repeats itself.
by pb4957 on Sep 20, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would say that...
Rashard Greene’s coming out party has already occurred.
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by pasadenanole22 on Sep 20, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Think that is right,
1 in 1st, 2 in 2nd, 1 in 3rd.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 20, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Biggest loss heading into 2012 will be Mike Harris
FSU only loses 2 other seniors off the 2-deep defensive depth chart.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Agreed when i saw him running off the field and Reid running on I knew that they were going right to him
Reid makes big plays but makes more mistakes…XR and Harris are the real deal
Completely agree with you
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 20, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if I started the Mike Harris bandwagon last year, but I know I was a fan from the very beginning.
That is all.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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In a surprise turn of events
Jacob Coker starts the game against CU and rreplaces EJ Clint & Secord in one fell swoop. Only to be replaced next year when Jameis turns down ungodly money to don garnet and gold.
D-Hop has tiger blood
Do we now start trying for 1-2 more OL in our recruiting mix going forward?
We’ve had bad WR luck but the OL competition (ie having other guys available if someone doesnt work out or is slow to pick things up) and attrition seem to be bigger, multi-year issues. Especially with a coach like Trickett, whom you expect will scare away even some guys who make it to campus, do we start trying to pull 1 more OL instead of another position? Sort of like focusing on DL because of inherent attrition at the position.
Yea I think so....
especially given the fact that Trickett has the tendency to scare some off… We need to stop going after project lineman and start going after guys that can play within 2 years. I am glad to see recruits like Alphonse Taylor on board but I would be disappointed if Trickett turns a 6’6 340 lb Taylor into a 6’6 310 lb Taylor. Our guys need to be pushing 320+ so we can start manipulating the line of scrimmage at will…
320 lbs OL that cant move dont allow us to do what we want on offense
We arent wisconsin. Trickett doesnt have a problem with a 320 lbs OL as long as they can move. Plus having huge OL doesn’t automatically solve problems, look what we did to Wisconsin’s huge OL just a few years ago.
Trickett's turned in some darn fine run blockers
So I’m not really worried about how the line looks, more that we have enough guys to have true quality depth. I guess we’ll see how this class breaks but there’s 2 positions you don’t want to be scrambling finding good guys to play: OL and DL.
by Nolesos Locos on Sep 20, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
We should've been trying to land 2-3 more OL regardless.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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Yea we need EJ this week...
Having Clint Trickett play well at home is one thing… Expecting him to do the same for an entire game at Death Valley is a whole different task all together… Our defense should dominate Clemson all game but we still need our offense to be productive game managers without turning the ball over like we did against Oklahoma. Clemson’s defense is very suspect and we should be able to move the ball up and down the field at will, but we need as much leadership as possible in a hostile environment. Clint showed great promise against Oklahoma but this is still EJ’s team and EJ is who they look up too…
I agree
It is time to roll the dice with EJ (If he is in any condition to play – if he is legitimately injured then you leave him out) playing in this game. After the first couple of weeks of the season, it is clear that Clemson is the only major threat in the division. Win this game and we likely sow up a spot in the ACC championship game.
How are we going to run on Clemson?
Sweep and toss plays? I dont have much faith rushing up the middle at all. I think we can be effective on the outside. Just follow Pryor to the promise land and hope the WRs can hold their blocks. But the big problem is Clemson’s D is fast, so that would be playing right into their hands. I’m confusing myself – I don’t know what the gameplan should be. Thoughts?
Maybe.
I just hate being one-dimensional.
Let’s hope Powell is on his punting game.
As to your question, screens will be needed.
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I still have 4 years of eligibility
I’m thinking of trying to walk on to provide some more dept at WR.
Whatever happened to Will Tye?
If Beau and Jabaris aren’t cutting it, then why no Will?
At least I have Chicken!
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Why does it take so long
For these guys to pick up the offense? We have 4 or 5 TEs and none of them know the offense?
by NoleySmokes on Sep 20, 2011 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Honest answer?
FSU wasn’t getting elite kids who were also smart because the program wasn’t really in a position to do so. They had to grab athleticism and hope some of these dumb kids would have the light come on.
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This is frighteningly accurate….
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I wish more would see it
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Um yeah but Will Tye was in the last couple of recruting cycles when we were getting better kids.
At least I have Chicken!
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Some, yes. I highly doubt FSU would recruit Tye now
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I don't mind Tye.
He helped us land Werner.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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I think you can fill in the blank with a lot of names.
Jermaine Thomas
Ty Jones
Bert Reed
David Spurlock
Just not sure these guys woulda cut the mustard under Jimbo. Good thing they’re already here.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Why does Reed have such a bad rep?
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Because until this year he’s been all over the map while sort of running his mouth and hasn’t always been an angel on campus.
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
I thought he was having a solid career prior to a ton of dropsies last year.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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Population dynamics
The rivals article mention the population dynamics going on in the country, and it is going to affect football in the long term. As more people move out of the Rust Belt and to the South/Mid-Atlantic, it is going to hurt the Big 10. First they’ll keep seeing their primary TV markets dry up, and less people means less kids playing HS football, which hurts recruiting.
People made fun of Notre Dame for scheduling several neutral site games around the country, but I think they were just ahead of the curve. The day might come when Ohio State and Michigan need to move a home game to FL/TX for recruiting.
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 20, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions
I'm not sure the southern population explosion is sustainable.
For one, the entire population growth of the lower midwest (what Joel Garreau called MexiAmerica) is fueled entirely through illegal immigration. Hell, most of this country’s growth over the last 20 years is fueled primarily through illegal immigraion!
I can only speak to Georgia’s pop trends, but Georgia added 400k+ hispanics each decade for the past two decades and represent the fastest growing pop group by a landslide.
No, this is not entirely true. The atlantic/lower midwests’ population explosions are not sustainable and we are already seeing them slowly dry up. Eventually you run out of people from Buffalo, New York to con into selling land too (that is literally how texas basically started).
I don’t have the time to fully explain the population dynamics at work in the country right now, but I can tell you that all southern population growth has slowed to a trickle. And the growth is hardly coming from where you think it is (Upstate New York and Michigan aren’t the source of the south and midwest’s explosive population growth).
The Swami has spoken.
by seminole_swami on Sep 20, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
In an odd press conference Coach Dabo Swinny has declared Clemson the National Champions for 2011-2012 season and has ended all practices and cancelled all game for the rest of the season. Due to the NCAA rule on limitation clause given to the BCS committing coach Dabo doesn’t actually have any authority in the matter of picking a Nation Champion Clemson. Therefore by default Clemson has forfeited all their games for the 2011-2012 season.
Coach Dabo was last seen running around with only a shirt on in the stadium singing “We Are The Champions” by Queen. The shirt that coach Dabo was wearing was purple and read “Won and Done.”
Because of the events that have unfolded today this gives FSU a clear path to the ACC championship game.
I think some of y'all might just be a little myopic on the conference stuff
I actually think these recent moves make a ton of sense monetarily but only if we start a network. If we start a network it’ll be on cable networks in
boston
Nyc
Baltimore
DC
Charlotte
Atlanta
O
The Funk Phenomenon.
stupid phone
Orlando
Tampa
And Miami
The carriage fees alone could give us B1g money.
I think we might actually be in a great position.
The Funk Phenomenon.
oh..they make plenty of sense up to this point
the final two teams will be the deal breaker with folk on this site though….and there will be two more teams joining.
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I agree that the last two teams are key
Swing Notre Dame, someone else, and start a network… then I say this is a win.
I think people are grossly overestimating Auburn, so yes.
Still though, that Clemson team is going to be amped on Saturday.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 20, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
There isn't really a "dead" time of the day when you're playing in Death Valley. I'm very happy it isn't a night game but it'll still be a great environment
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 20, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Full strength FSU or current? I think FSU wins either but...
Full strength: 34-10
Current: 14-10
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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 20, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
btw
that 14 points is a safety and 4 FG’s
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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 20, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
minus our top QB, TE, and 4 WR's?
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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 20, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don't think we are that bad
I mean we have competent coaches and for the most part competent players too. I just find it hard to believe that we went from Elite to terrible in just a single season. And that includes the injuries.
Yep
I watched 90% of that game against Auburn….I’m confident our Defense can shut down those guys…I see them scoring about 13 pts……
All is we need is 5 field goals…lol.
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Yep
and Clemson’s defense is garbage as a whole
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 20, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Which surprises me considering their defensive line
Which has enough talent to at least merit a “decent” defense on the surface. Guess their back seven is horrid
by westcoastnolefan on Sep 20, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
They have no DBs and their LBs are mediocre
Damn shame that we don’t have our full compliment of WRs, they’d have a field day. I expect a big game from Smith.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 20, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Which surprises me considering their defensive line
Which has enough talent to at least merit a “decent” defense on the surface. Guess their back seven is horrid
by westcoastnolefan on Sep 20, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
There just seems to be something very odd about this line
I just checked and it shows Clemson -2. I understand our injuries are pretty dire but what is it about Clemson that so great? This season I have watch about 70% of the Clemson plays their defense looks very similar to FSU 2009. On offense Boyd isn’t anything special but does have a good supporting cast. Their OL looks big but I have noticed they are also a tad slow too. I think if FSU has shown that they can run the ball consistently this line is FSU -10 with the injuries.
overrated Auburn
underrated FSU
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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 21, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
FSU has a bye after Clemson,
Followed by Wake, Duke, Maryland & NC State for the month of October. If EJ can throw the ball, he needs to play. Give Trickett the bye week to practice & can maintain the offense for the month if EJ needs the time to recover.
EJ needs a lot more practice too though
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 20, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
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