FSU at Clemson Spotlight: Christian Jones v. Dwayne Allen
by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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PrintThe battle between the Florida State Seminoles and the Clemson Tigers to take the lead in the Atlantic Division this Saturday in Death Valley will feature a matchup of two supremely talented players.
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| Christian Jones | Dwayne Allen |
At 6'4" and 240 pounds, Christian Jones is a freak. The former five-star from Orlando and son of FSU legend and Oakland Raider all-pro Willie Jones has lived up to the lofty expectations so far.FSU's sophomore linebacker is arguably the best linebacker on one of the best defenses in the country. His ability to set the edge against an opposing tight end from his linebacker position forces offenses into looks they'd prefer not to run. Christian Jones also has the ability to play in space -- something pretty rare for a man of his size in the college game. Everyone expects that Jones will be a first rounder and an early entry. Clemson certainly hasn't seen a player like Jones so far this season.
But the 'Noles also haven't yet seen anything like what Clemson has in junior tight end Dwayne Allen. Like Jones, Allen was a mega-recruit. He also has a freakish combination of size and speed at 6'4" and 255 pounds. According to the Clemson experts at ShakinTheSouthland, Allen occasionally has issues with effort. But when he is playing at full effort, as he did last week against Auburn (7 catches), he's one of if not the best tight ends in the country. Clemson players have a habit of taking games off against lesser opponents, but they always bring it against FSU. Don't expect Allen's effort to be an issue come Saturday.
Jones is one of the few outside backers in the country who can cause Allen problems even when Allen comes to play. Most teams are forced to devote a lot of attention to a tight end the quality of Allen, but FSU will probably try to use only Jones against him early on. If it works, FSU will be able to focus more on Clemson's explosive receivers. Of course, with Clemson's offense, Allen is moved around quite a bit and Jones won't draw Allen on each snap. The battle of these unique players and future pros will be one of the most exciting and important in Saturday's game.
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Allen was a recruit that I really hoped FSU would land, and we thought we had him until the day before he chose Clemson
Jones vs. Allen will be a great matchup for sure. I really hope Jones puts a lick on Allen early and often to make him timid, which I’ve seen from Allen in the past in games I’ve seen in person. When Allen gets frustrated, he gets attitude and loses his focus.
The other matchup I cannot wait to see is Sammy Watkins vs. Mike Harris/Xavier Rhodes/Greg Reid. That’s going to be a gem.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 21, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
AND then LJ
needs to put a lick on Watkins.
Since we now know the rules incentivize taking players' heads off,
I am in favor of at least 4 personal fouls against CU ball carriers. Just to even things out, you know.
If this team can put a lick on anyone I'll believe it when I see it
I was hoping we would rattle OU’s prissy little offense but all they did was destroy our offense. Sounds to me we have to hope no CU defenders break Trickett.
So you're telling me you've never seen Lamarcus Joyner play?
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 21, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha I've seen him knock out our players
I don’t remember him laying out any OU guys though.
Except Stills when he had to come out for a couple of plays.
Yeah nothing.(sarcasm)
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Friend was watching Stills as he came off the field
after that hit, said he immediately started puking. A lot.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 21, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Allen had 1 catch for 11 yards last year against us
And that was with Mister and Moody most manning his area. And i feel like both of those position have been upgraded considerably so I’m not as worried about him as I am with our open field tackling on Hopkins, Watkins, Bellamy and Ellington
But that was also with Dabo
ruining everything for Clemson on offense, seem to be much better coaches, at this point anyway. Again, they haven’t played a defense worth a poo.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 21, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
So Bud does this mean you think we will play more man coverage?
by Noleforever9399 on Sep 21, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
It might, but not 0 man. Man with help over the top
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Right
probably would be Parks over the top right? That way LJ could be free or he could be matched up on a slot receiver or something like that.
by Noleforever9399 on Sep 21, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer to have LJ over the top. As long as Parks plays reasonably well, the WR will get tackled and nothing will get behind us.
I wouldn’t be as confident in preventing the deep ball if Parks is the center-fielder.
I like LJ over top. Just eareses mistakes and lets the corners be aggressive.
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Creative mix of both. Can still show Cover 4 and do some switching around. I think we’ll try to confuse Boyd.
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
And not much bltizing on early downs.
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yea
If we can get pressure with front 4….we’ll be fine…I think Werner has another big day….hopefully anyways.
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Speaking of Tight Ends what's the status of our one good one?
Will NOL play or will we place older TE’s that run bad routes on the field?
It's all about the process
I believe Jimbo said they need him more involved
And in us missing our top 4? Possible WR for the game he will be needed. Add Trick playing expect Double TE with NOL as the receiving one and Beau Blocking since he should never get a pass his way again
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I think we need to see some J. Thomas this game.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 21, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Allen has on edge on Jones
size and experience. Watching him play for them make me realize how infinitely better he is than 88
D-Hop has tiger blood
he does have size on him, but not much compared to the typical linebacker he’d face.
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I haven't watched much of Allen at all
I imagine jones is quicker/faster than him?
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by SteadfastNole on Sep 21, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You'd think so
but big boy is agile and can run
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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 21, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheesh...
Dude looks like Timmy in a Clemson uniform. Hard to imagine this guy havin good enough wheels to be a TE.
he has hops too
saved Boyd on a couple of jump balls against Auburn…big boy went up and got it…
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Pretty sure he ran a streak or wheel
last game and got some separation to make a catch. He can move very well for his size
D-Hop has tiger blood
Jones is probably a bit faster, but we’re dealing with two elite athletes.
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It's pretty outdated,
but if you can find some of the footage of C Jones in 7-on-7 and 1-on-1 type of work as a recruit in camps, it was pretty amazing how that guy could glide with a receiver in coverage. Looked like Antonio Cromartie.
Go to 35 seconds to see his cover skills in HS.
http://www.gridironstuds.com/blog/video-gridiron-kings-7-on-7-tournament/
Telvin can cover Allen also.
He’ll be giving up size but hes faster and a good tackler.
Madieu Williams was the ultimate NFL Tight End neutralizer, and he runs about 6'1", 203 lbs.
Not at all worried if Allen has an inch here, 20 pounds there. Talent and execution win out.
Look no further than "epic" battles of Alphonso Williams vs. Greg Carr.
Epically one-sided, that is.
Yep, he's the one.
Should have Googled to check the memory.
But honestly…. Smith, Williams, Johnson, Jones… pure commodities among last names. Do you blame me?
I think we will see Allen targeted often
whenever the ball isn’t in Ellington or Watkins’ hands. We will see Watkins get several carries in addition to passing targets.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 21, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Clemson knows how much
we historically struggle with elite TE’s.
I think they will make us show we can stop it before they change their gameplan.
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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 21, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
the historically changed when Mickey left, meaning our tendencies from past teams don’t really apply
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by SteadfastNole on Sep 21, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't matter
We have a stigma and I believe they will make us show it no longer exists.
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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 21, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We got burned a lot by TE
Because all the good Mickey did he played man and i think its a bit tougher to cover reciving Elite TE with man. If they play the Zone proper he may get some short catches but we need to end it with little or 0 YAC
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CU uses a lot of play-action to slow the defensive ends. FSU must stop the run between the hashes so that it doesn’t have to respect play action.
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DEs can put an end to that fly sweep
action, by leveling the guy carrying out the fake. Even Dabo is smart enough not to want to watch Watkins or Bellamy get killed by Bjorn twice in one game.
idk watkins can scoot
bjorn isnt catching him on a jet sweep. Backers and secondary have to recognize and make a play in space
D-Hop has tiger blood
Bjoern just needs to not let the tackle get push on him. Make that fly sweep go further to the sideline before having room to turn it up.
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I think with his quickness, it’s not bad.
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Allen is really good at high pointing
the ball. I hope our defenders do a better job of competing for the ball and timing there jumps (looking at you G5 on Kenny Stills TD)
D-Hop has tiger blood
I hope they keep trying that. Tipped ball, interception.
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Agreed
PLEASE try that against Harris or Rhodes. PLEASE!!!
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 21, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not wanting to get into a discussion
but G5 did in fact time that jump well and highpointed, he was just giving up 6" to Stills.
Obviously if he’s in better positioning Stills may not get a clean jump, but Greg played it as best he could after giving up positioning.
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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 21, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
No he did play it well youre right
I just felt like because he was behind he couldnt really get a full jump to battle for that ball. He will end up giving some up purely from a height standpoint. To this point luckily they have been few and far between
D-Hop has tiger blood
his vertical must be 9 inches then
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by dj2fsu on Sep 21, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agree here.
6’2", 42" vertical>5’9", 42" vertical by 5 inches every time. Kenny Stills is an incredible receiver and made a terrific catch. G5 was is his wheel house. As soon as the ball touched his hands it just…stopped. No bobble. No adjustment. No nothing. Incredible catch.
good catch terrible defense
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i thought g5 was very late on his leap - by the time he got off the ground stills was already extended and in the air
btw – why was there no safety help on that play?
the ball hung in the air for what seemed like a minute…
Looked like Greg was expecting safety help and was playing a short zone.
I know he bit on the fake, but he waited a while before realizing no one was deep and then he turned the jets on to cover a lot of ground in a short time.
It's tough to get safety help on the boundary
unless your playing cover two. He was slow reacting because he was influenced by the inside receiver running an out pattern.
If you watch that play again with our defense presnap set
G5 looks like he was expecting rolling coverage from Joyner over the top or Parks from the center. When the play was snapped Joyner went into man coverage on the slot WR who ran an out thereby forcing man coverage by Reid on Stills. Jones saw the defensive switch create a mismatch and went for it.
by CCDFSU07 on Sep 22, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
CU offense question
Say OU offense is a A+ what would CU’s be? Or is it still too early to tell? We all know Auburn’s D is almost an D-F….
It’s very tough to tell because they have played a bunch of nobodies on defense.
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I'd say C+
I firmly believe Boyd will make terrible decisions under pressure and will also have accuracy issues under pressure as well….we stop the run…and force him to beat us=FSU win
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Id give them a solid B or B+
Skill positions very good but young and OL is a weakness relative to OU.
Did Auburn get any pressure on Boyd?
FWIW, one of their starting DEs in that game was Corey Lemonier (remember him?). It didn’t appear as though he made any impact but I didn’t watch the entire game.
by FSUActuary on Sep 21, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Then buy a ticket for the Maryland game, haha
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How well-respected is Clemson's starting LT?
It would definitely help out if Werner is able to consistently win that battle again this weekend.
LT is a former walk-on
but has played (surprisingly) very well so far.
We have a lot of injuries up front. We’ve lost 2 of our top 6 linemen in the last 2 weeks.
Thanks for they reply
Should have said RT though. We moved our strong side DE around a lot last game and I had it wrong in my mind
RT Landon Walker
he is a senior and was a starter last year. He is solid, but talks a bigger game than he plays IMO.
Werner might eat his lunch. Not sure. CU’s offensive line will be key.
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Yeah but we'll have acc refs no calling holds on him every other play.
Sure do wish we had big 12 offic…..wait.
Interesting to see what Andre Ellington will do also
He’s seemed a little hesitant since returning from the injury but CU’s backups did pretty well in the 2nd half against Auburn
It was pretty diverse against OU.
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How was it diverse?
We abandoned the run, (For obvious reasons), and ran bland patterns.
I'm only 31
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I gotta be honest. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.
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Damn Bud! Who gently placed feces in your cheerios?
I’m just sayin I would like to see more option and plays in the flats geez. I guess I’ll go to Nazi Germany where my option matters.
I'm only 31
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Off the top of my head..
I saw a bunch of two tight sets I’ve never seen us run before. I saw some pistol action, some zone read, a couple designed runs for EJ including some from empty back sets. Thought it was pretty diverse and some different stuff than normal from Jimbo
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by SteadfastNole on Sep 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
2 tights to block? I'd rather have a TE and a RB in to see and read the blitz.
our backs are for the most part pretty good at blocking.
I think running EJ against Clemson is a bad idea
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by SteadfastNole on Sep 21, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t look like he was allowedyou to check out of plays. Pretty obvious blitz coming and we ran it anyway….hopefully whichever qb is in there will have an audible.
by pb4957 on Sep 21, 2011 2:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
legit concern about how free Trick will be to check plays and audible.
Anyone know how much freedom he’ll have?
I think there’s concern in an environment like that.
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Jones wins this battle.
With Werner and the rest of the defensive line the TE with either be blocking or getting a quick pass. No long wheel routes or skinny posts. A few catches in the 3-5student yard range.
EJ was recruited as a passer. The kid has a great arm and it just so happens he has wheels to. If he can pull the trigger the Noles win by 2 scores.
by pb4957 on Sep 21, 2011 2:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
agreed -
i think the best thing that could have happened for us (regarding this game) was for cu to beat auburn convincingly –
combined w/ us losing now theyre likely feeling overconfident, and we’re likely hungry as a hostage -
we’ll be focused, play physically, execute and punish them -
24 – 10
Them being ranked when we spank them in their own crib
will only help our standings in the polls….Overconfident?:)
Is it naive to think Clint Trickett will
by Todd F Packer on Sep 21, 2011 3:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Play well?
He played well against a better defense in OU. We scored more points with him than we did with EJ. He has known this offense since middle school and heis accurate. We obviously lose the mobility but he has looked good so far.
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He has looked very capable of that so far. They will probably blitz him mercilessly which could open up screens and draws.
by Todd F Packer on Sep 21, 2011 3:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As long as our oline can protect him
I don’t think he will have that much of a problem. He seems like a very confident kid when throwing the ball and making decisions, and that’s half the battle, not being scared to throw. Granted this is all off of like 23 throws, but I think he was like that in High School as well.
IF Clint starts I expect a lot of balls thrown to Rashad. can he make it 4 straight games with a TD? That would be pretty damn historical for a true frosh.
by dream catcher on Sep 21, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked that he seemed humble in the post-game interview with honest critiques of his play.
Think he even admitted that the throw to Rashad was not a good throw. Kid knows he has plenty to work on.
Yes. His success against OU came mostly when OU thought he would just hand it off (element of surprise), and on a ridiculous luck play.
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Horrible read or not, it was perfect placement.
The kid has great accuracy, and a good coach can ride that pretty far even with a simple playbook. Looking forward to a heavy diet of slants and bubbles.
He threw it into double coverage and was so late on it that the safety ovverran it, no?
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I am saying, entirely independent of coverage,
the ball was in the perfect spot, as it has been on every other throw to Greene, to allow him to make a play. Just can’t take that for granted.
This is true. Can Clint not lose it for us? I think so, provided he can get the checks and the protections down.
I worry about throwing lanes and tipped balls.
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I worry about throwing lanes and tipped balls.
Me too. Also worry about throwing short passes and pick-6s.
sort of like CP7 his freshman year vs VT.
VT had the much better defense than Clemson though.
by dream catcher on Sep 21, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree on slants and bubbles
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I like Clint's bubble screens more than EJ.
He seems to get it to the receiver a bit quicker and in a good spot. The receiver can use that extra second to find a running lane, rather than adjust to/wait for the pass.
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The Greene Monster
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Flash 80?
Although I think that one was taken already by some old guy on the West Coast
Greene Light
I can hear the announcer now,“Trickett with the Greene Light for a TOUCHDOWN!!!”
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The Greene Pasture
maybe too countriesh, but that was the first thing to come up in my head heh.
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The Greene Machine
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by DRusso97 on Sep 21, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for reference to an awesome Kyuss song.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
The Greene Mile
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
Let's call him Mr. Blue
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
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Speaking of NOL
Just what did he say that caused him to be benched after 2 catches very early?
Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.
Seriously, nobody knows, except Jimbo, O'Leary, and God.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 21, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Coley?
Team work make the dream work
by lloydg on Sep 21, 2011 6:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha, maaaaaybe.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 21, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
im pretty sure god is in the dark on this one too
he asked me to ask bud…
How about
Rashad “Mean” Greene
Rashad “Gang” Greene
Rashad “Simple” Greene
Rashad “Going” Greene
“Greene Hornet”
“Ocho Cero”
Rashad "Soilent" Greene
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
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