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What does ECU v. Tulsa from 2008 say about FSU v. Clemson?

I'm always interested in the different schemes teams run. When you understand what your own team is doing, as well as the opponent, the game is much more enjoyable. Last year we talked about how new Florida State defensive coordinator Mark Stoops had defended the BYU offense at his previous school.

The same thing applies for this weekend's big divisional matchup at Clemson. Clemson hired Chad Morris, who runs the Gus Malzahn hurry up no huddle spread (HUNHS) system. Morris is a protege of Malzahn. There aren't any differences in the system that I'm aware of.

So where have FSU's coaches seen this before? In the 2008 Conference USA Championship Game, of course! East Carolina beat Tulsa, 27-24.

The defensive coordinator for East Carolina? Current FSU linebacker coach Greg Hudson. The offensive coordinator of Tulsa? Gus Malzahn, the creator of the offense Morris runs.

You can read all about the Clemson offense here: http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2011/9/2/2400212/inside-the-clemson-offense-the-links

So how did ECU defend the dominant Tulsa HUNHS attack that featured the nation's top-rated passer? 

What was your defensive strategy today:

"We wanted to keep the ball in front of us and just make them snap it again. We put pressure on our front four to stop the run and keep the ball in front us and don't give up anything cheap. As long as we keep the ball in front of us and make them snap it again, we felt like we were winning on defense." 

 

ECU refused to allow big plays. Tulsa had a good rushing attack, but it wasn't a great rushing attack. ECU played a great mixture of cover two (including two-man) and cover four, keeping everything in front of the back-line defenders, and rarely blitzing. Tulsa's most explosive play of the day went for only 20 yards. They made Tulsa execute all the way down the field. And for the most part, Tulsa did just that, running an incredible 97 plays! 

But while Tulsa moved the football, its efficiency was terrible, at 4.1 yards/play. And frustrated by ECU making them work the ball slowly down the field, Tulsa became frustrated and tried to force passes that simply weren't there. Five of those passes ended up in the hands of ECU defenders -- one for each member of the starting secondary and another for good measure.

This certainly isn't predictive, but it is interesting. Will FSU look to be patient on defense and rush only four, seeing if Clemson QB Boyd will force balls where he shouldn't? I think the 'Noles might. Clemson relies on the big play more than almost anyone (5 of 50+ yards this season). Boyd hasn't seen anything resembling a decent defense yet (Troy is better than Auburn, but both are among the worst 30 in the nation), and to this point Boyd has had wide open players in every game. That's unlikely to be the norm against the 'Noles. You have to believe Hudson is busting out his old game prep from 2008 to help FSU DC Mark Stoops. 

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Rivalry

I hate to beat a dead horse. But is Clemson a rival or isn’t it? People on both sides want to seem to acknowledge that it is but it doesn’t feel like it.

Note, I would like it to be, especially with this year likely being the Canes swan song of relevancy for the 2010’s

by kjgubert on Sep 21, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s a distant third. We had a column on this recently.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is

If you are a Nole fan living in SC, believe me, it sure as hell feels like a rivalry game.

by zest on Sep 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell yeh Zest because

I live 7 miles from Clemson’s campus. Beating Clemson would be my early Christmas present.

by NOLEisticscience on Sep 21, 2011 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

have to agree

I also live about 45 min from clemson, and let me tell you I hate them almost as much as anybody on our schedule. Especially hearing all these fans on the radio talking smack like the just beat the packers or something!

by ashendry on Sep 21, 2011 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

amazing

The level of false confidence Tiger and Gamecock fans get with a single win is absolutely mind bottling.

by zest on Sep 21, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's like....................when your mind gets trapped in a bottle!!

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by DRusso97 on Sep 21, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Dogrel on Sep 21, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You have that right

Clemson fans can go from the highest highs to the lowest of lows in a weeks time.

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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 21, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are absolutly right. I was up there last Satuerday and you would think they just won the NC game. The most irrational fans on the face of this earth. I got harrased for wearing my colors as if I was the Taliban or something.

by NOLEisticscience on Sep 21, 2011 4:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

every game to Clemson fans feels like a rivalry game

everyone should have a pet Honey Badger named "Stanley".
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by Desman on Sep 21, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust me I went to the game 2 years ago and I am going to the game this weekend and Clemson fans definitely feel like it is a rivalry game.

At least I have Chicken!

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by NoleCzar on Sep 21, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

NoleCzar

I will be there also. Would love to me you and anyone else who is coming to the game from this site. If you are up early I can show you the hot spots.

by NOLEisticscience on Sep 21, 2011 6:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Attending

I’m heading up with a group of 08-09 grads. Staying in Greenville and tailgating in Clemson

by kjgubert on Sep 21, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

more of less aggressive than the OU game? I say less. We can get pressure with 4 and I want lots of guys in the passing lanes


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the gameplan for OU- we made them earn their yards and gave up few plays >20.

Pick your opportunities, but make Taj beat you with underneath stuff and let him get frustrated and try to force something deep.

I’m just concerned that we’ll need some serious special teams/defense help to put enough points on the board. Hopkins may be very busy.

by coonhound on Sep 21, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was jus kiddin, Bud.

But if we’re being serious, I’d agree with less in this game. I’m much more interested in the possible different formations Stoops will go with. He really surprised me with very little nickel last week and all the 3-man fronts.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 21, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Jenkins ever drop back into coverage?

I saw him standing up a few times, but I don’t think I saw him drop into coverage.

by coonhound on Sep 21, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, on the zone blitz


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe he did, though not too far since OU had 4 eligibles left and only one to his side.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is a bad blitz to call here

The WR runs a slant and gets the U zone lb and the RB runs a flair and no one home first down and more

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by Desman on Sep 21, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was 3rd and long, if I remember right

2 guys that should be able to get to the RB in the underneath zone if he catches a flare pass before getting first down.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 21, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

But we got an interception on this play

Because of the pressure on OU’s QB. I know results don’t tell the entire story, but that still a pretty good result against Landry Jones (it’s not like it was Jacory Harris back there).

by csfuu on Sep 21, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Safe to say if we can manage OU with 3 DL, then we can do the same with CU.

Says a lot about what he thinks of the quality of our DL. Would love to see Boyd trying to pick his way through 8 guys in coverage.

by arrdub on Sep 21, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before the game I said I thought we could be effective rushing 3 and I think we were for the most part.

Don’t think it should be the predominant defense by any means, but it helps to mix things up and I would expect s to do it some in every game.

by NoleLaw on Sep 21, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought we looked better

with 4. Would have to watch and verify to make sure, but honestly don’t think I’ll watch anymore of that game for a long, long time.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 21, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you think the lack of nickel helped the passing game?

Broyles and Stills found the holes all night it seemed.

by stevib on Sep 21, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Found the holes all night?

They didn’t break 200 yards passing….

by arrdub on Sep 21, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, perhaps.

It just seemed that way. It’s hard to forget the two touchdown drives, especially the 3rd and long when we let Broyles through the gap.

by stevib on Sep 21, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it's easy to forget the 10 other drives?

remember last year they scored touchdowns on their first 5 possessions!!!

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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 22, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we needed to do it to stop the run, and thought they did a good job against the pass.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those holes were usually very small and quickly closed.

and like RW said, before that last TD drive they only had about 125 passing. I’m not sure everyone is really appreciating how good a defensive performance we had.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 21, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do great defense

When they rushed four they usually poured into the backfield. It is a shame they were given some easy scores by the interceptions. This game was much closer than people realize. Even with all the bad luck Trickett was in position to go down field and go ahead before he was intercepted.

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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 21, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Telvin Smith completely changes a look

CJones to a certain extent too. With Telvin in, we have a tweaner Safety/LB, and he has no problem covering the TE. So base is between a 4-3 and Nickel, and a 3-man front can pass for a quasi 3-3-5 look.

by Nolesos Locos on Sep 21, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Link to the box score.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=283410202

ECU gave up 400 yards, but held Tulsa to only 4.6 yards per pass.

Most surprising stat – that I fear we will not be able to count on replicating – Tulsa had 7(!) turnovers, including 5 INTs. (Mr. Boyd, let’s see what you can do.)

by arrdub on Sep 21, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Going to be hard when we force them into alot of 3 and outs!!!!

1 - 2 Jimbo's coming for you, 3 - 4 Gator’s better lock their door, 5 - 6 grap your crucifix, 7 – 8 Muschamp better stay up late, 9 - 10 never sleep again!!!

by Seminole4Ever on Sep 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off topic - if EJ could not play at all - who is the second string QB intitally - (Secord) but if EJ stays out longer

is there a change that Coker becomes the back up – or is there no way that he is ready to play this year?

Off off topic – I think the play by play breakdown and analysis done on this site is the best thing, out of many, that you all do here – so while it appears to be a time consuming chore – I think it is well worth it to the readers. The breakdown of the 2nd EJ pick was JAWsesque. (Ron J ESPN)

by 93noleman on Sep 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

yes secord. Don’t burn coker to go 7-5 instead of 6-6 is the logic.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I guess you could. But then you have to keep Secord on Scholarship or not RS one of the incoming frosh.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

assuming both EJ and Clint got hurt

how often do teams have to go to 3rd string for QB? Virginia this year, right, anyone else? Addazio doesn’t count.

by stevib on Sep 21, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s pretty rare to have to use 3 because of injury.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it happened to UH last year

Lost Keenum to a knee then i think 2nd stringer in next game or maybe some game cant remember. Yes very rare

by Deaux on Sep 21, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is kind of like lightning strikes and shark attacks, though.

If you’re standing outside in a thunderstorm on top of a bare hill, look out. if you’re swimming in murky water with a line of fish attached to your hip, watch it.

We’ve seemingly already lost one QB for a portion of the season so the likelihood of needing a #3 to do some work just shot way up… directly on par with the odds of needing a 2nd QB at this point.

by arrdub on Sep 21, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

True


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rooster was 2nd

to start that season. He was 3rd in the previous spring game where we lost Kendra. And Boldin was actually the 4th, w/ Chris ’can’t set my alarm clock right….twice’ Rix suspended, Adrian ’let’s steal checks’ McPherson dismissed, Fabian Washington (not his fault, bum shoulder) third and Anquan ‘thanks for the two td drops Talman Gardner’ Boldin fourth.

by RANOLE on Sep 21, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

fabian washington

played for nebraska and played CB in NFL for

oakland, baltimore and new orleans

by noledoc1 on Sep 21, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that happens… You eat the season for most part.

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by FSU on Sep 21, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

We knocked out 2 VT QB's in one game about 3 years ago. Tyrod and Glennon I believe.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Sep 21, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, at Doak,

had a WR playing QB if I’m not mistaken.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 21, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tight End

and he threw at least one TD

by RANOLE on Sep 21, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha yeah he did,

you are right think he was a TE, but a QB in HS or something. Caught Noles off guard with his ability to throw.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 21, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can’t kill a season because you want to save a redshirt. I think we are too good not to do anything to win.

http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/092011aac.html

by matticoti on Sep 21, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think Coker would be significantly better than Will? I absolutely do not.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Sep 21, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely not.

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by CornNole on Sep 21, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

They say that, but I don’t see it happening.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah unless there’s something odd in recruiting that no one is aware of at all.

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by FSU on Sep 21, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just wouldn’t rule it out

by matticoti on Sep 21, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't suggesting we should do it

Just wasn’t sure about the voluntary RS rules. If both EJ and Trick go down AND we’re still in the ACC hunt AND Coker were CLEARLY ahead of Secord….it should at least be considered.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 21, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Bud

Random analysis like this is one of the many reasons I love this site. I stared at your Tweet about ECU and Tulsa for a good minute trying to figure out what relevance those two schools could have to Clemson & FSU before remembering that Hudson came from ECU.

by zest on Sep 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks! Sometimes I wonder if people will find the same things interesting, but they usually like when I go out on a limb.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

We do.

 It’s nice to find some things to correlate to our upcoming game that can reasonably show what to expect. Nice find.

Go Noles >>>-------->>>--------}}}----------------->

by hardcorenole on Sep 21, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same approach as last week:
  • Nothing deep; everything in front of you
  • Make tackles in space
  • Apply Werner and Jernigan liberally
  • rinse; repeat.

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by ricobert1 on Sep 21, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

And all summer and an extra week to get ready

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by FSU on Sep 21, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats pretty much what the d is going to look like all year…Especially when you have great Special Teams pinning them back

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by FSU on Sep 21, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I think....

we are going to just mess Clemson up with our defense. I see some INT’s, 3 & outs and ST play. Offensively, I’m not sure but quick stuff, outside zone, playaction (if run game is going) draws and screens make sense. Keep it low scoring, minimize penalties and mistakes and eek out a close one.

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by hardcorenole on Sep 21, 2011 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Would love to see Lonnie and NOL more involved.

Most teams don’t use the FB and TE too much.

If one of the four remaining receivers gets injured who fills the fourth spot?

by NoleLaw on Sep 21, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

At that point, I'd rather go to walk-ons than our tight ends not named NOL

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by Sem1nole on Sep 21, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

How good is their punter?

Will Greg actually get a shot this week? I felt like he was in Beast Mode against OU but their punter was stupid good.

by Nolesos Locos on Sep 21, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's pretty good

Not sure if I’m remembering correctly though…think he gets good air under the ball.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 21, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Several things...

A) Can the defense replicate the same energy they had against OU, playing in a hostile environment? A tough D is going to make it difficult for Clemson to sustain any drive. I to believe that Clemson won’t be patient and attempt to force plays.
2) Can we gin up a rushing attack that keeps Clemson on their heels. I believe that 100-125+ rushing yards from the RBs with EJ as the QB helps us greatly. We may need more rushing yards with Trickett.
D) Can the offense produce a healthy mix of passes to the WRs as well as the TEs in the seams and the FB out of the backfield. Passes to the TEs will be important especially if our QBs are able to hit the mid out patterns.
(I don’t know my formatting beyond D so bear with me). I think that play timing will be impotant as well. Not a plodding nor an up tempo pace, but a pace above what they would expect from our offense. A good mix of the things mention will control the ball and keep the off guard.

by Redare on Sep 21, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

A. No, definitely not. But it’s still a very good D

2. I think keeping the clock running is very important, whether it is via short passes or running.

D. I think so, yes


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Point A.

This will be very interesting to watch. This is only Year #2, but I see a defense less and less based on emotion and “want-to” and instead see a fundamental, talented, and (growingly) smart defense. I don’t think that the defense will be as influenced as much as some of yester years up in Clemson Saturday.

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by ricobert1 on Sep 21, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love this defense for its multiple looks.

Jenkins can play 4 different positions. Joyner can play multiple positions. Jones can play on WRs. Stoops can really get creative with these guys.

by TuckNole on Sep 21, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as the defense "being up"

I think it will help the D to know that they will have to come up big this week for FSU to win the game.

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by BenDNole on Sep 21, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly this is a well coached defense that won't panic when it gets loud

The thing that just seems not right now is they can’t run the ball.

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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 22, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

our defense?

Shouldn’t be loud for our defense @ Clemson. It will be loud for our offense.

by jasonole59 on Sep 22, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think the Def made its point last Sat.

My worries are not with them but with the Offence so beaten up. I loved the x2WR,X2TE 1RB out of shotgun look. Also I know Trickett is not a runner but Damn I think hes a better back-up for EJ than EJ was for Ponder. Trickett has more of a playbook it seems.

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by Desman on Sep 21, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry Des

but,

Also I know Trickett is not a runner but Damn I think hes a better back-up for EJ than EJ was for Ponder.

No way.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 21, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotta agree

trickett threw a couple good passes when the other team wasn’t expecting him too

EJ came in and won us some big games like it was nothing

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by SteadfastNole on Sep 22, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah really, I don't get it

why does everyone always think the backup QB is so great? Clint did a great job considering the circumstances, but I don’t think he did a “great job.” I hope he continues to grow and become a great player, but he’s not there yet. And no-one should expect him to be.

by EricNole on Sep 21, 2011 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep, Any word on whether EJ practiced today??

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by Seminole4Ever on Sep 21, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't practice today

could still play without practicing this week according to Jimbo(he prolly aint’ playing)

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 21, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did not. And I don’t think he’ll practice next week either. I think they are targeting him to return to game action for MD or N.C. State


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

From a friend who was there

he basically did conditioning only, no pads.

by EABbGD on Sep 21, 2011 7:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Have we worked on running the ball more in practice this week?

At least I have Chicken!

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by NoleCzar on Sep 21, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better question:

Have we worked on run blocking more in practice this week?

When the blocking finally comes around, I think the running game will take care of itself.

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by Dogrel on Sep 21, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid

Spurlock’s best days are behind him, and Krug’s best days are still a year away.

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by ricobert1 on Sep 22, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

is spurlock wearing

A different helmet due to the concussions? Looks a little different, and I believe his facemask was a slightly different color.

by jasonole59 on Sep 22, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 22, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, me too.

Hopefully Spurlock can can get back into the swing and Krug can become serviceable as the season progresses. But that’s a hope, not an expectation.

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by Dogrel on Sep 22, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we're in for a messy game

If we can’t run again, Trink is going to have to throw A LOT against a good defense that will designed for pass defense. Freshmen QBs with scaled down playbooks get blitzed a lot and see strange coverages they just can’t read yet. DISASTER.

I think we see Trink with 3 INTs off of hurried throws and pass reflections and its only going to take one cheap shot to break him because he’s a twig. And we’ll forfeit the game when his dad murders the defensive player that hurts him. Maybe he can also get 3TDs to balance the INTs.

I think it all comes down to special teams and defense. If we give up 1-2 big plays on defense but don’t get any on our end we’re going to lose.

by Meehl on Sep 21, 2011 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

FSU is an underdog for a reason. With all these guys out, Clemson is a better team.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope we win 21-17

But we will only get to 21 with a pick 6 and a KR.

by Meehl on Sep 21, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st team to 13 wins

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by DRusso97 on Sep 21, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly what I'm thinking

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by freshcollegeboy on Sep 22, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how every would rate the w/l probabilities now, if they could rate them all over again.

by Meehl on Sep 21, 2011 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

This is where we really find out what our team is made of.

There has YET to be a team that could NOT run against CU. Throughout 3 games they have given up the most rush yards in the entire ACC and just over 290 pass yards a game. To put is perspective CU has given up almost 100 more yards in just rushing than FSU’s entire defense has given up all year and that is after playing against one of the best Offenses in OU.

This is against Troy, Wofford and Auburn.. I would take my chances with one of the best defense against a bad defense…

1 - 2 Jimbo's coming for you, 3 - 4 Gator’s better lock their door, 5 - 6 grap your crucifix, 7 – 8 Muschamp better stay up late, 9 - 10 never sleep again!!!

by Seminole4Ever on Sep 21, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

We don’t run what those teams run though. We’re not an option team.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clemson didn’t play many starters v. Troy for whatever reason, and I think it’s clear they didn’t prep much for Wofford.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok.. Bud quit killing our hope..lol..

1 - 2 Jimbo's coming for you, 3 - 4 Gator’s better lock their door, 5 - 6 grap your crucifix, 7 – 8 Muschamp better stay up late, 9 - 10 never sleep again!!!

by Seminole4Ever on Sep 21, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you getting at but option, spread, team or not

We are talking about Troy, Wofford and the shell of what used to be Auburn.lol..

1 - 2 Jimbo's coming for you, 3 - 4 Gator’s better lock their door, 5 - 6 grap your crucifix, 7 – 8 Muschamp better stay up late, 9 - 10 never sleep again!!!

by Seminole4Ever on Sep 21, 2011 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Any chance Jimbo got a little stubborn with the running game?

Look, I am WELL aware of the need to establish the rush and of our stable of running backs but things just haven’t gone our way in the running game thru 3 weeks. We’ve played jokes of teams (with the assumption that we were “saving our good plays” for OU) and we’ve played OU and things just haven’t worked out. Not that we should stop running but I mean, it is literally to the point where my buddies and I can call out which plays are going to be runs. You can bet that if I can, so can opposing D-coordinators. Also, EJ misses on a good number of deep balls and if he hit a good majority of those, you can bet a defensive player might take a step backwards (opening up the QB-read and run plays). I LOVE when EJ runs because it works. But our run blocking is abysmal and at this point, maybe we need to use the pass to set up the run (hard to do with EJ out though, so now what the hell do we do?). I’m stumped.

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by Sem1nole on Sep 21, 2011 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

You can call which is a run and a pass?

I could with Jeffy, but not now. Maybe we will throw more.


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by Bud Elliott on Sep 21, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not so much last year but so far this season, yes.

And under Jeff, it was ridiculous how predictable his playcalling was. Run, run, jumpball, repeat.

Jimbo is VERY multiple in his personnel and packages but I don’t believe I’m the first person that has noticed this. I want to say last year someone posted a video where an opposing player (Oklahoma?) said that we ran a very simple offense? I don’t agree with that because of how well Jimbo utilizes his formations and personnel (such as running the QB-read). Having said that, this year we have certainly struggled with the run and I’m not sure if it is a which came first, the chicken or the egg kind of situation.

Are we worse at running because it is obvious when we are going to do so? Or, does it seem obvious that we were going to run based off of the poor results.

If it’s scenario 1, (which I believe might be slightly true) then it is a bit of stubbornness in trying to use the same plays that have always worked (maybe people undervalued McMahon and Hudson a LOT a bit) and getting VERY different results. I have successfully called WAY too many run plays as a fan this year and I don’t remember a 4 yard gain on the ground, by a rb, against Oklahoma (let alone all year).
If it’s scenario 2, then only a better offensive line will open up the playcalling options and really allow Jimbo to use the playbook as it is intended. But ANY good coach will work with what he has, that works. Do we abandon the run? No. Do we figure out a way to maximize our yards, whatever way that may be? Hell yes. The Patriots don’t run the ball and not that I’m saying that we should do that (considering that we have a completely different system, personnel group, etc. in place) but the point is, you don’t HAVE to run, you just have to keep a defense on their heels. I trust Jimbo to do that but injuries aren’t really helping. I say run less if EJ can go.

"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher

by Sem1nole on Sep 21, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a well worn internet cliche, I can call the play etc.

Of course it is not something we can prove unless you come back game day and give us the reads before the ball is snapped.

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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 22, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

How much of Morris' offense do we expect Clemson to have installed at this point in the year

Looking at the Tulsa/ECU will be helpful, but without having any further knowledge, I’d imagine Tulsa had more of his offense installed than Clemson does at this point.

And on that point, what do you think Stoops will throw at the Clemson O that they’re not ready to handle?

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by BenDNole on Sep 21, 2011 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Hudson came to FSU following the 2009 season.

In 2010, Tulsa dropped 49 points and 579 total yards on ECU. 6.9 yards per play.

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by Zach_Nole on Sep 22, 2011 7:42 AM EDT reply actions  

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