What a Difference a Year Makes
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 22, 2011 1:04 AM EDT
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PrintJust over one calendar year ago the Florida State University defense rolled into Norman, Oklahoma with a newly installed modern scheme, some much needed additional size and a fresh boost of confidence following a spring of not getting scorched by its own offense. That defense was bound to be much improved over its predecessor, but the previous week's proper dispatch of I-AA Samford provided no real indication of just how far they had progressed. The answer was provided by the Nation's 14th best offense; a fast paced, efficient, wrecking ball facing a defense not yet comfortable in its own shoes. The wake-up call was heard, loud and clear.
Last week, the Sooners rolled into Tallahassee facing a similar situation; an FSU defense with more size, depth, talent and expectations than its predecessor, but no real evidence to validate significant improvement. With plenty of reason to believe the 2011 Sooner offense would be every bit as good as the 2010 version, this would prove to be a progress measuring stick for the FSU defense. For anyone who doubted Jimbo Fisher's sentiments about this year's squad...you got your wake-up call Saturday night.
Fast paced is a dramatic understatement when speaking of the Sooners offense, which averaged 92 plays per game on the road last year. And while you see just 56 plays from their 2010 contest against the Noles, keep in mind this was competitive playing time only--before the game was mathematically over--and included just eight plays after halftime. They ran a total of 83 plays before the game was officially over. Last weekend, there were only two plays run after the game was essentially decided and just 66 total. This was their lowest output since the September 5th, 2009 loss to BYU, a game in which Heisman winner and current St. Louis Rams QB Sam Bradford was knocked out early.
Last year the Sooners gained a full yard per play more than their season average. This year, a full yard less. Saturday's 310 total yard effort was their lowest since the November 21st, 2009 loss at Texas Tech and the 199 yard passing total, the lowest since October 3rd, 2009 at Miami. Both of those games were played without the aforementioned starting QB, Sam Bradford.
Success rate is a per play measure of how well the offense moves the ball compared to the distance needed to obtain a first down. This outstanding metric was developed by Football Outsiders, with a slight personal modification that includes any conversion from a passing down to a standard running down as "successful". Although I don't have historical data from other OU games for comparison, the picture sums up the story neatly. What should really draw your attention is the drastic change in 3rd down success rate, which is equivalent to the more familiar "conversion rate".
Explosive play rate is another concept quantified by FO, this one, to measure the big play frequency. I define it by statistical significance--the average gain per play plus two standard deviations--partly because I'm not sure of the FO definition and partly because...I just like statistics. While the graph makes it obvious OU had fewer big plays, just to give friendlier terms: they had 13 plays that gained at least ten yards in 2010, compared to nine this year and five plays of at least 20 yards in 2010, compared to three this year. The big play reduction is drastically understated here because, once again, the 2010 game total was accumulated in just over one half, while the 2011 total included all four quarters.
Negative play rate is my way of covering both extreme outcomes on a per-play basis--the other being explosive plays. It is defined exactly as it sounds; any play that is stopped behind the line of scrimmage is negative. The 5.36% rate in the 2010 game included a total of three plays; one sack, one two yard loss on a run and one botched snap that had nothing to do with FSU's defense. This year there was one sack to go along with four runs and two screen passes dropped for loss.
This was one of the Sooners' least productive offensive outputs since Landry Jones was forced into early action as a freshman following Bradford's injury. It is always risky to draw too many conclusions in September, but a very safe bet the FSU defense has come a long way in the last twelve months and just might be very, very good.
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let me tell ya....
I’m a hardcore OU fan and I want you all to know that FSU’s D is TOTALLY for real..! I can also tell you that Jimbo is going to win a NC soon..! It’s cool to see FSU back into a power house because we ALL know we are tired of the gators getting all the glory… Again, what a game and what a crowd you guys threw out there in support..!
SOONER BORN, SOONER FOREVER..!
BOOMER SOONER..!
Good post and good job.
Excited that CJones and Joyner are sophmores while the D as a whole is so young.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
Juror #7: You a Yankee fan?
Juror #5: No, Baltimore.
Juror #7: Baltimore? That's like being hit in the head with a crow bar once a day.
As a Cubs fan, I understand what being a Baltimore fan feels like...
by Curtain Jerker on Sep 22, 2011 1:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
yea CJ7 might as well be a junior,
senior if he keeps playing like he did against OU.
by New Mexico Nole on Sep 22, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
That is some strong research
A casual stroll through the mental asylum shows that faith does not prove anything...Nietzsche
How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche
by DocHoliday2 on Sep 22, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Most Doctors are good researchers
Some spend their time in less…uh…productive fields.
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by CornNole on Sep 22, 2011 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So Statistics can be fun...
I finally have a reason to pay attention in my Quantitative Methods (Statistics) class. Now I understand these posts. I knew there had to be a way to make this stuff interesting. Thank you Dr. K!
Dr. K, thanks for the Killer Work!
You join some notable company.
The articles and knowledge that gets written on TN by its writers
And contributing public to a point as well is amazing. I give so much credit for all the great work that everyone does here. I would feel confident in letting the writers here coach a football team successfully. Its said so often but such great time consuming reports you guys give and just a big thnx for it all
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A little something that I noticed during the game. Was my observation correct?
I remember reading before the game that we planed to drop BJ49 back into coverage with the hope of catching them by surprise. If I am not mistaken, we did this quite a bit on the 1st drive. The thing is, it did not seem to work. They threw screens, or ran right at the voided spot. Maybe they also heard we might do this, or they just observed it and responded. Which ever it was, it didn’t work. We stopped doing that after the 1st drive, and except for to great catches by Stills, and some really stupid penalties, they were all but stopped dead. I think this Defense is for real, and if we singe the recruiting class that it looks like we will, our Defense will be really good for a good while to come.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
I didn't actually see him drop into coverage
but Bud caught at least one play where he did. Jenkins lined up at four different spots and they also moved Hicks around similarly when he subbed. I don’t particularly want to see anything like last year against VT with a DE running 25 yards down field in coverage. But I like the idea of dropping into the underneath zone.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 22, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
we're now seeing what M Stoops meant by "multiple"
I have much more confidence in Stoops after the OU game….
Championship!
by TLHWG on Sep 22, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The D was just AWESOME in that game.
We don’t have a top 5 Offense yet, but we are definitely one of the 5 best D’s. L.S.U., Alabama, and F.S.U are at the top of the list. Maybe OU in the top 4, but hard to say, need to see them against a team that is good and not crippled by injuries. They can definitely hit though.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Sep 23, 2011 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the idea, and also think it would be effective, it just looked like they were expecting it.
I think it would be especially effective with someone like C. Casher that we have coming in (From what I have seen of him he has really good ball skills) but that is at least a year away. I really love all the different looks we are able to give now that these kids know the system. I am going off of just my memory of the game, and I was quite excited and a little drunk, so I might be a bit off. Even when totally sober it can be difficult to see who is lined up where while watching a game on T.V. It looked like we lined up in a 3-4 some with one of the DE’s back at LB a bit (I saw BJ49 doing this, and I am pretty sure there were others I didn’t see) . It reminded me of what Alabama does with (I believe) Dont’a Hightower. The point I was trying to make is, just like I knew we were going to do it, it seemed like they new it too. Their coaches are a lot smarter, and more tuned into what we are doing than I am, regardless of how I might try, so it is safe to assume we did not catch them off guard. We made some sort of adjustment after that 1st drive, and shut them down the rest of the game (except for 2 great catches and some bad penalties). Even on that 1st drive our D played pretty damn good. It took them 13 or 14 plays to score, and they had to execute all of them perfectly to do so. My buddy couldn’t understand why I wasn’t that worried after the 1st drive. I told him “There is no way they can execute like that the whole game, and if they do, then they deserve to win.” I am very excited about the potential for this teams D, now and in the future.
One other thing, I was not expecting to see J.Luc on the 1st drive, but was very happy to have seen it. It is good to see him coming along, and he looks like a monster out there.
Great post Dr. always love the discussion with you. There is another guy that posts on here that reminds me of you, can’t think of his name though.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Sep 23, 2011 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I said “I wasn’t worried after the 1st drive” I need to amend that statement. I was very worried about G5. If his leg can bend like that, and come right back into the game, well he really is a NINJA. I thought for sure he was hurt bad. It was hard to watch it on replay. So happy to see he wasn’t hurt.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Sep 23, 2011 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I never knew what stats really were 'till I joined TN...fine work
…hopefully that defense posts a monster effort against Clemson so your graphs next week look like this _____________
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Sep 22, 2011 8:07 AM EDT reply actions
Still salted we lost and got so banged up
I feel like this game could look like a 2004 or 2006 game where the defense tries to keep us in the game while our offense flounders as opposed to a 2009 team…
D-Hop has tiger blood
Thank the ACC
It still boggles my mind that our conference doesnt seem to want an actual NC contender. If they did I doubt they would schedule an early Sept match up between the top 2 (sorry vt) teams in the conference following the 2 biggest out of conference games they will play all year, uf aside for us but the Gov. game is different and a staple. Also scheduling us a clemson later in the year for away thursday night games on 4 days rest is goofy at best.
I can't blame the ACC anymore
they always screw us but we do whatever they want and never voice an opinion or vote for something in our best interest.
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by caine115 on Sep 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the game later in the year is at BC, not Clmeson
thats the clusterF this weekend
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clemson has a short week also
I was just referring to both of us playing an away game later this year and we play this week following huge out of conference games. NC contenders get thursday games following a bye and the ACC has not picked up on this giving us and clemson both unfavorable schedules…
Always gonna be a basketball conference
Even in the expansion move, thePITTs, SUcks, says it was done for football,really? When was the last time either of these were other than mediocre IN FOOTBALL!!!! Done for football my arse, two of the best BE teams in basketball. Now were talking bout adding UConn, Rutgers, laughable. Sorry to jump on ur post and rant, but I find it thoroughly amusing that anyone thinks this will ever be more than what it is, a basketball conference. Oh very nice post Dr.KN .
by realnole1128 on Sep 22, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Part of it is looking to lock up the big Northeastern media markets.
There’s also the ongoing quest to establish a true regional identity for the conference. The SEC already has that, the ACC doesn’t have it yet. We’re getting there, but this move makes it clear that Swofford DOES want to get there, and soon.
There’s a definite pattern of putting the ACC into high-viewership markets, by hook or by crook.
ESPN is great for nationwide coverage and very lucrative, but you can also get another big pile of money out of the regional broadcasts if you can offer them guaranteed audiences in the NYC, Boston and Pittsburgh markets and local affiliates who are looking to pick up Raycom.
Remember: lots of high-eyeball markets=lots of ratings=lots of $$, for both the regional networks and for the conference.
We’re not quite there yet, but things are proceeding apace, and Swofford’s move went a long way to achieving both long-term goals.
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From one of my bosses who is a UF season ticket holder...
“One of the best games I have seen in years!” – says a lot actually from a typical gaytor fan.
Wonder if he would have had the same sentiment
had FSU won? All the big Gator games they lose are my favorite.
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I loved the way our defense played
But my only question is…Can they duplicate the effort and intensity they played with against OU and carry that over to the Clemson game?
If they can I love our chances.
Probably not the same intensity.
Gotta think the atmosphere had something to do with that. If you can separate effort and intensity I’d say the effort will be fine…haven’t seen anybody on defense take any plays off.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 22, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
atmosphere had to play a huge role
Definitely don’t think we will come close to matching that level of intensity. ou would have beaten us handily had we played at a neutral site. Confusion caused by the crowd had a lot to do with slowing ou’s pace and keeping them off their A game. This week will be a whole new test. Luckily its against a vastly inferior offense.
by BeNole on Sep 22, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The defense needs to take to heart that they have to hold it down
until we get something going on offense/Get healthy. Its on them. Gotta man up for us. Couldn’t be more proud of MOST of them last week. One more time then they can take the next three weeks off. Gotta have this one.
by buckeyeNOLE on Sep 22, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Doc
Based on what you’ve seen to date, take a guess at where FSU’s D ends the year in FO’s ranking and the more traditional rankings of total D and scoring D. Also, any other college D’s out there (other of Bama and LSU) that look top 5?
I still think top-15
Preseason, I thought we had a chance at top-10 (maybe still do). I think we need at least one disruptive interior lineman to step up (I was hoping/expecting Dawkins) before we’re on the LSU type level. I’m also a little concerned about Rhodes. Not sure if there’s something going on, but he doesn’t look the same. Haven’t seen enough other teams to make a good guess. Top-20 in all traditional categories is probably a good bet.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 22, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree with most of this
However, I think if given the opportunity to trade defenses with any team in the country, I’d definitely trade with Bama and LSU. Beyond those two, I don’t think there is any team I’d absolutely trade with.
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I guess I meant to say that from my perspective, we're a top 10 type defense
whether we finish there in the FO ratings will depend on a little luck, and how our opponents fare against their opponents.
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I'll cautiously agree with you but,
It is always risky to draw too many conclusions in September, but a very safe bet the FSU defense has come a long way in the last twelve months and just might be very, very good
this is my official statement on the matter.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 22, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see if you could take the Bud approach and throw out 15 defenses that you might prefer to ours.
Think that list would be hard to come up with.
(Not knocking your opinion in any regard, I just think you’re being too cautious as a result of a laser-focus on what we’re doing… a “can’t see the forest for the trees” kind of thing.)
ACC? UNC is probably the only one on our level.
SEC? LSU, Alabama.
Pac10? Anyone?
Big 10? Ohio State, Wisconsin are the only quality defenses, and not sure they are on par with us.
Big East? Hard to believe anyone.
Big12? Texas, Nebraska, OU would be the only potentials.
Other? Boise?
Maybe I missed a couple, but it would seem there are only a handful of teams that are even on our tier….
I think UF's D will look much different as the year wears on...
Great list, btw. Makes a great point, while being generous w naming some teams ( Texas, Boise..)
I may have said SCAR before last week, but they let UGA carve em up.
The dude abides by DKNs prediction. Top 10…maaaaybe. Top 15? Easily.
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by CornNole on Sep 22, 2011 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You nailed it. I haven't seen those others play.
I have seen Bama and LSU, don’t think we’re quite there yet……..not far though.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 22, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
UF's D is VERY good.
The only knock is they haven’t been is any pressure situations yet.
by Jamil Dawson on Sep 22, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Wisconsin’s D not very good
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 22, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I was being liberal.
Just throwing any team out there that has held their opponents’ scores down.
I think Wisconsin I still think slow white guys…. event though they do now have an ACC-Athlete under center.
Must be nice being in the Big 10.
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by CornNole on Sep 22, 2011 12:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
interior linemen
With all the preseason hype, I would’ve expected at least one “Nick Fairley” type to have shown some signs of blowing plays up. In your opinion, is the absence of this maybe (at least to some degree) a reflection of focusing on gap assignments and letting the LB’s making plays? In answering this, do you have any data that looks at down and distance situations (the so called “obvious passing plays”) as opposed to short yardage situations.
Is it also possible that our defensive game plan has been to take away the run and force teams to pass into our highly touted secondary?
TJ
I know it wasnt ou but from what I saw, intensity wise, from Timmy I feel he needs to be in the rotation ASAP for our interior D line to be top tier. I know he is a freshman but I also remember seeing some of our freshman change games 2 yrs ago (Greg Reid vs BYU) and feel he can raise our level just being on the field.
I think it's a different world for freshman lineman
I’m just a wittle guy, so I havent walked in their shoes, but it just seems to be next to impossible for a freshman DL to significantly impact a game…even moreso consistently.
But I do agree with you. Play the kid, but be smart about it!
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by CornNole on Sep 22, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mostly true
There are always exceptions though
by realnole1128 on Sep 22, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Exceptions help prove that the rule exists.
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by pasadenanole22 on Sep 22, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
different indeed
I agree it is different for D-linemen but I also wouldnt catagorize Timmy J as a typical freshman interior lineman. His quickness jumps off the screen and to get him some reps will only make him better. He is huge for a frosh and well jacobi again has failed to prove he is a 5* football player.
Im not a JMcD basher b/c having played that pos in HS
I know he.s always getting dbld, and my eyes arent necessarily refuting this in the games so far.
by realnole1128 on Sep 22, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
L.S.U seems to be the team that every one is judging them self by, and they have a True Freshman playing a lot at DT in Anthony Johnson. So it can be done, but it would appear to be very rear indeed.
Is it sacrilege to say that Timmy J reminds me of Warren Sapp a bit? Just in the way he plays the game, and the way he moves. Not his personality.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Sep 23, 2011 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Haven't had time to start separating standard and non-standard downs.
and I haven’t quite figured out what Stoops’ tendancies will be this year, because we’re seeing a lot of new/different looks. One thing I’m pretty sure of is he can gameplan around the opposing team now, rather than his own defense’s limitations.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 22, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
We said FSU has a lot of good players in there, but no dominant player inside. Why did you expect otherwise?
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 22, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Because when it comes to FSU football
We still believe in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy.
No, they just changed their motifs
Santa Claus now steals your presents, and the tooth fairy leaves porn under your pillow.
by realnole1128 on Sep 22, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
"tooth fairy leaves porn under your pillow"
Tried that line on my dad once.
Really random but i saw little kid at grocery store wearing shirt
that said “Santa isnt real but its ok i cant read” I laughed
by Deaux on Sep 22, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As a parent, that's just..........wrong.
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A: Well, I take a doodoo. Before every game I doodoo.
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Sep 23, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
So how much longer do we have Coach Stoops?
I really hope we can keep him for our national title run next season. However, the way this defence is playing now, his resume will be strong enough by the end of the season to get a head coaching job. Let’s just hope there aren’t any great openings (like UF or ND last season) and he sticks around a little longer!
And I don't think he would get an offer at the UF, ND level.
More likely a quality, but not elite, AQ team.
nd cant afford him
With the money they have spent on chunky chuck i doubt they want to pay another buy out plus Brian Kelly will do fine their and is probably a better fit. If the nd fans were in an uproar over Kelly’s out bursts during a game they would SHADT themselves if/when Stoops unloaded on a player. lol
Georgia and OSU
Georgia is nearby and,unless there is a big turnaround by that school, then this job may open up. With proximity, a lot of people in the Athens area must be taking note.
Mark played ball in the Big 10 (Iowa) and his family is from Youngstown, Ohio where his dad is still coaching.
Go Dogs! Go Buckeyes! Kick butt from here on and retain those great coaches that you currently have.
I'm not exactly sure that Mark's personality is ideal for a head coach.
Not saying he won’t make it, but he’s not the dynamic (or alternately, imposing) figure that the biggest names tend to be.
Really?
1) I’ve heard people really like Stoops…never heard any knock on his personality.
2) If you win, it doesn’t matter. Tressell, Saban, Meyer, Richt, Shan—-…well, you get the picture. I’d rather watch a DRusso stand up show than have dinner with those guys.
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by CornNole on Sep 22, 2011 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, not unfriendly.
I think he’s just a quiet, intellectual type… and there aren’t too many coaches of that sort.
Huh?
Saban Meyer Tressel?
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by CornNole on Sep 22, 2011 4:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I said dynamic OR imposing.
Saban and Meyer fit the 2nd characterization.
Not sure about Tressel, but think he’s got more personality than our Stoops.
Really?
I always thought Tressel had the personality of a empty bag of charcoal.
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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 23, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
You remember when Stoops got on the mic after our first recruiting class with him on board?
Tressel’s a bad comparison anyway because he came in as a head coach, and we know he cheated his backside off to get the success he had.
My understanding that UGA wants someone with HC experience for the job not a coordinator if Richt goes.
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I think UGA fans would burn the hedges if they brought in a guy w no.experience.
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by CornNole on Sep 22, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention one from FSU
cause they love their current former FSU coach so much. What will happen is the new coach will win the SEC with the talent that is on the team. Kind of like UF
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The difference: Ron Zook can-and did-recruit like hell on wheels.
He brought in piles of talent, he just couldn’t develop it.
Our own experience tells us that Richt isn’t recruiting his home state anywhere near that well.
Which tells me that the next UGA coach will not have a talent pool comparable to UF in 2005, but will instead be closer to FSU in 2007. A similar rebuilding effort will likewise be necessary, should he be up to it.
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Didn't Richt just sign the 'Dream Team' ?
I feel more like I do now, than I did before
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by HaveNoleOption on Sep 22, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were the AD at Iowa
I’d have called Stoops agent after the OU game.
If they’d gamble on a first time HC, you’d have to think Stoops is the guy.
I think Ferentz is good, but needs to right the ship fast. Losing to ISU is something that doesn’t go over well in Iowa City
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by CornNole on Sep 22, 2011 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hearing some Stoops/OSU chatter
up my way. Not as much as Urbie though…which i still can’t understand.
by buckeyeNOLE on Sep 22, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
urbie wont do it
He will not go into that situation. He needs a team to be poised to make a run not worry about sustaining a scandal then trying to rebuild. urbie meyer has proven he can be a huge spark to push a team over the edge but no way can he sustain it or rebuild a program… it would be a hard sell and would require a blank check with alot of prayers.
I think Stoop will def. be on mosts short list
what concerns me is the Ole Miss and Georgia situations…I believe these are 2 exellent programs with great history…and both would be an great job to have…While both are struggling as of recent by the end of the year they could be looking for someone new…hopefully not CMS
Ole Miss?
I have to believe Stoops was above their level even before this year. I agree on the UG comment but Hopefully there is enough respect (from Stoops for HCJF) to not go to one of our biggest recruiting rivals!
also a good point
I also heard that Ole Miss wasnt out to get Nutt, that they have a problem with the Admin.
Hahahahaha, that just sounded funny. Everyone is always out to get a Nutt, even a squirrel.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Sep 23, 2011 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions
No way.
I think you’re underestimating Ole Miss. Their coach is an also ran SEC complacency case getting his ass whipped by younger, hungrier guys (Mullen, Tony Franklin, Pinkel, Dooley).
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by CornNole on Sep 22, 2011 12:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"also ran SEC complacency case"
Funny, that’s what I thought when they HIRED Houston Nutt.
Glad to see I’m not the only one who feels this.
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by pasadenanole22 on Sep 22, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree but doubt it will happen
I think we have Miami to thank for the future departure of our D-cord. I think OSU is a 4 or 5 loss team and can make a huge splash by bringing (FSU) Stoops to Columbus. I think there are only a few places he would actually leave for but osu would be one of them and i can NOT see Fickell getting an actual contract aside from the 1 yr interm he has.
I agree with that he will only leave for a few places
I think almost anywhere in the SEC is always a good choice…good point about OSU…didnt think about that…I hope Urban Meyer takes that job…I heard a rumor he may be interested but correct me if im wrong
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Yea my buddy that is an osu fan actually sent me a text during the fourth quater of their loss to miami and said he was excited about watching osu’s next head coach have such a successful D against ou on saturday… what an @$$ osu fans are!
Just say that happened
who would be a good fit for us?
Maybe Bama loses the rest of their games
and Saban get fired and came to work for CJF…HAHA
Hudson
You have to kinda think HCJF saw this comming when he lured another great D-cord away from his school to take a lesser position but be on a far superior staff. He has the recruiting in line already, knows the system HCJF wants to play, has the experience, and can nuetralize the spread with what he has learned under Stoops. Not saying we have to promote from within but I saw this coming when the staff was assmbled and everyone know Stoops was only on loan til he got a HC job. The only other person I can see is if clemson keeps dabo we may get one of our own back…
Most think this is the plan.
Most think that Eliot may go with Stoops, but I’d think he’d be better off staying.
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by CornNole on Sep 22, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea, I am pretty sure Hudson is basically the DCIW
Stoops will get a HC job as soon as this year but for sure by the end of 2012 with what the defense is and hopefully in the NC picture. I am sure their will be new wrinkles but they run similar defenses and having him in the program already means he knows what the team knows and doesn;t and doesn;t need to start all over again like last year for Stoops. We are going to miss Stoops but we are very lucky to have Hudson in the wings. Hes someone you try and get even if hes not in waiting for what will happen
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Elliot cut his teeth under Stoops.
The big thing would be if Stoops could offer him a promotion to a coordinator level.
That would suck for Tony Steward.
Didn’t he say that was why he went to Clemson, to be coached by K. Steele?
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by Chief Pit Bull on Sep 23, 2011 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions
From the rumors you hear, I don't think there's any love lost between FSU and Steele.
So this isn’t likely to happen.
Stoops needs another year or two under Fisher before he'll be ready to be a HC.
But I could see where some desperate school would try to poach him anyway.
What if FSU had waited another year w Jimbo?
Is it “desperation” or being proactive? If you don’t strike while the iron’s hot, you miss on your guy.
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by CornNole on Sep 22, 2011 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not the same situation. We knew what we were getting with Jimbo because of the HCIW situation.
More akin to Muschamp over to UF.
Not what I meant.
If you’re a mid level school, and you can get a guy like Stoops, you do it. You can’t wait until teams like Ohio State and Georgia come calling. You lose that battle.
See Kevin Wilson at Indiana. They recognized, and went out and got him. An OU NC this year, and they’re stuck with lord knows who. They took a shot, signed a great QB for 2012, and who knows what’ll happen.
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by CornNole on Sep 22, 2011 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Then we're on the same page; I agree that the threat for Stoops is the right mid-level program.
Won’t get a shot at an elite.
your the man DNK...GREAT JOB!
I think top 10 D at the end of this season…I firmly believe we can play with anyone and our D is why…ill put them up there with Bama and LSU right now…I believe OU has one if not the best offenses in the county and I really cant believe Bama or LSU could have done a better job than our D did agianst OU…I had my doubts about stoops because I was stuck in my ways with Mickey Andrews type defenses but Stoops has won me over..
" I really cant believe Bama or LSU could have done a better job than our D did agianst OU"
No defense could with the holding, (achem) i mean play of OU.s Offense in that game.
by realnole1128 on Sep 22, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I do believe we are on pace with them now.(Bama, LSU)
Bama has plyed only a mediocre, maybe weak PSU team. And LSU.s accolades come from beating Oregon, a team similar to OU offensively, but with no D whatsoever, weak on LOS on both sides really.
by realnole1128 on Sep 22, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That LSU D is legit.
They were touted as one of the best before the Oregon game and they made Mullen tap out on national TV.
by Jamil Dawson on Sep 22, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree, Just sayin were with them, or close.
by realnole1128 on Sep 22, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no, I don't think we're far behind them at all.
It just seemed like you thought LSU’s D was overrated because of Oregon’s weaknesses. That’s my mistake.
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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 23, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Great article DKN.
I love the statistical validation. Helps prove a team should not be measured by record alone(stupid polls). Defense has really improved, it’s seems to get better each game – continuous improvement.
Any chance we get articles on Statistical Process Control?
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by pasadenanole22 on Sep 22, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
I'm picturing
some poor bastard with calculator in hand and puzzled expression following Jimbo around all day.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 22, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL. Too funny.
I could also see that puzzeled expression on the boosters as Jimbo gets going on the process.
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by pasadenanole22 on Sep 22, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
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