Florida State Shuts Out Louisiana Monroe 34-0
by Bud Elliott on Sep 3, 2011 6:38 PM EDT
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Florida State's defense made it clear from the opening snap that the Louisiana Monroe Warhawks had no chance to win. Or score. The Seminoles' defense held the Warhawks to just 190 yards on 61 plays, an excellent 3.1 yards-per-play. The 'Noles defensive line was dominant, and FSU rotated the first, second and even third string units regularly. The coverage on Louisiana Monroe's receivers was excellent from the first team of Greg Reid, Mike Harris, Xavier Rhodes, Lamarcus Joyner and Terrance Parks. And the linebackers pursued the ball well.
It was known that ULM's defense was much better than its offense, and that was evident Saturday. The 'Noles managed 6.2 yards per play (367 on 62 plays). As Seminole fans have seen before, Jimbo Fisher elected to use this de facto preseason game as practice for the passing game with new quarterback EJ Manuel. In the first half FSU called 23 passing plays and only 11 running plays. It was an up and down day for Manuel, as he made some excellent throws and also missed some open passes. It was clear that the very-mobile Manuel was under strict orders not to run much, and Florida State ran none of its typical option plays. Manuel finished 22-34 (65%) for 251 yards with two touchdowns and 1 interception. It was a good, but not great, day for an athlete capable of much more if turned loose.
The offense felt disjointed, and 'Nole fans will hope that is a result of the very limited time the offensive line had to work together during fall practice due to injury. Compliments should be paid to the receivers, especially Rodney Smith, who looked much better than he did last season. The blitz pickup from the running backs was superb (including Ty Jones).
And the special teams were dominant as always, with Dustin Hopkins kicking, Shawn Powell punting, and returner Greg Reid all excelling in their respective fields.
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I thought Rodney Smith and Chris Thompson looked excellent.
O-Line not so much.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
Thompson didn't seem to have the same burst.
There were 1 or 2 carries he would’ve taken to the house last season.
by 504Nole on Sep 3, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you surprised? He's still not 100% (back pain, and has been out a bunch).
On a side note, Devonta looks like he’s going to be GREAT before he’s done here. Wow.
I was completely comfortable with what we saw for how we were playing the game (scrimmage) for a first game.
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I was hoping for a more dominate performance from the O-Line
It was mentioned on Twitter that Sanders had a great game. I didn’t pay attention to the O-Line individually so I need someone here to confirm.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Sep 3, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Felt like pass pro was fine. If we wanted to we could of stuck Thompson or Freeman back there and ran it down their throats or run option with EJ & didnt … Wasn’t the major focus to tee off on them and wear them down
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I should have been more clear.
The pass pro was excellent however the running blocking could have been a little better. I think he was a combination of the line and the running backs (looking at you Ty) for the slow running start.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Sep 3, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm…My only complaint was Red Zone by offense in general.
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
We threw most of the first half.
Near the end of the 2nd quarter we put Thompson in and bloom, in two runs we get like 20-30 yards. Then in the 2nd half we put Freeman in and for a series he looked great running the ball. Then we went back to passing. I think we looked good, not great. If Manuel was more accurate we would’ve looked great.
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He's a good back. Thompson had his back thing.
Thomas just isn’t consistent enough and apparently has been surpassed by a true freshman even. We will use 3-4 guys regardless.
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I wonder how much Harris & Jones winning the 1 spots
are due to injuries in their competition
Championship!
Mike Harris?
He’s a baller. Jones was due to injury but he’d get carries regardless.
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I think Xavier was getting a little big headed.
Plus Mike being baller was a recipe for change.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Sep 3, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Harris should start regardless.
Take out Harris or Rhodes. I don’t care. Just play Mike.
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No idea.
Rhodes is a good CB who would seem to do well in a read and react role on defense. All 3 guys are starting caliber. I’m not concerned about any of them.
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no, you need a guy they is capable of covering a variety of guys
harris has proven this plus, you can’t use a sideline its covering in space. the understanding of defense is crucial and harris has proven he is very good at that and there is no reason to change that. When you see harris covering backs, receivers and tight ends gives me reason to believe this is what makes him so good in this position
Perhaps, but Rhodes disn't play any slot when he was in the game.
Harris slid back over to the slot position when they were both in the game.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Sep 4, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
No, and Rhodes will not be the slot
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rhodes always played the bc.
when we went nickel, we took the Sam out and harris moved into the slot.
you couldn’t see it on tv, but a number of times we sent 12 guys out (totally weird) and would pull either the Sam if we wanted to go nickel or either Rhodes (with Harris as the bc) or Harris (on a couple of series where X stayed in as the bc) if we went straight.
We flashed a little cover four, were in nickel on some second and fives, and sent Parks/Moody into the box Sam-like in some nickel packages.
Someone like Bud will check, but it seemed like we were keying their personnel for our alignment from the first play of the drive.
Been saying this as well
HUGE Mike Harris fan
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 3, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Take out Reid or Rhodes.*
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I don't thin rhodes lined up once on the slot.
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by PalmAireNole on Sep 4, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Haulstead being out was noticeable as
EJ seemed to target Smith and Reed with success but the timing was odviously missing with the newer, younger targets. With Haulstead back, and the play book opened up I think he’ll be fine, although he did miss to throws. The 2 that stuck out to me was the one he short armed to NOL and the crossing pattern to Reed where he led him just a little to much.
Reed seemed to be getting open
All the WR seemed to get open deep today actually
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Very excited about Bert Reed. For as much as he's frustrated some of us in the past with his inconsistency (which is a shame since he's also been our most productive WR most of the time), he looked very much like a senior veteran yesterday.
He made the plays he was supposed to make AND the plays he wasn’t. And looked like a veteran doing it…good sign.
yes (indeed)
didn’t look like the same guy. Wish he would have got his foot down in-bounds on what looked like a beautiful one handed catch in the end zone.
PLUS, Kenny Shaw: his over the shoulder was a thing of beauty; the word “polished” came to mind.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Pretty nice to see the backup QB actually get some reps (well, a rep) in a game outside of starter injury
Remember what that was like?
Freeman is da Man
and gotta love daddy Trickett’s tears
"He who hesitates, meditates in the horizontal position" Ed Parker
by GeoNole94 on Sep 3, 2011 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
That was a pretty special moment. I'm sure Trick Sr. had his reservations about Trick Jr. coming to FSU and that probably felt absolutely wonderful for him to come in and have instant success.
Definitely a moment that family will never forget. I almost teared up watching the old hard-a## getting misty-eyed and looking away with a proud half-smile.
Definitely one of the real highlights of the game right there.
I had to explain the entire thing to my wife, who had no idea why one of our coaches looked like he was crying. Once I did, I thought SHE was going to cry!
by seminoleballer on Sep 4, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
His blocking was good too
took on a stunting lineman or a blitzing lb one play and stood him right up.
Perfect summary of the game
I think EJ started to play better as the game wore on, but he was definitely up and down. Hope to see more consistent passing from him soon.
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-H.L. Mencken
In an interview he said
he had huge “jitters” playing for the first time on opening day in front of his entire family who made the trip from VA.
Good game
I’m fine with a win and no injuries. EJ needs to find his touch. I feel that we were throttleing the offense.
BTW. I just saw Bowden, on TV, at the gator game hanging out with Muschamp and Schnellenberger in pregame. Disturbing sight….
by bigkoi on Sep 3, 2011 6:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think he may of been visiting with Schnelly… With him announcing retirement and recent injury and all
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
him and Schnelly just announce they are coaching a high school all star game in south florida.
that’s why.
That’s good absolute 2 Legends in FL.
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you know, I think I give BB a break here.
When you retire, you retire. No longer do you carry on the weight of whatever rivalry you were associated with while coaching.
Why ask useless questions? How deep is the ocean? How high is the sky? Who is John Galt?
Tell that to Urban “That team up north” Meyer… In all seriousness, I agree.
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking it should be like an ex-President: when your term(s) in office are done,
you cease being a democrat or republican. The politics should get left behind…if you want to be a well-adjusted retiree.
Why ask useless questions? How deep is the ocean? How high is the sky? Who is John Galt?
That never happens. Former presidents almost always campaign for their party
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s nice to go to a game and not have to “work” too
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
With FSU here
That’s one of the prices you pay as a coach, you can’t just watch and enjoy games anymore, yet they’re FB fans just like the rest of us, too.
I’m not gonna begrudge the man a chance to be a fan again. He deserved his retirement, now he deserves a chance to enjoy it.
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by Dogrel on Sep 4, 2011 7:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He is retiring on his own terms
And he was just one city away
Outta respect to Jimbo, I wouldn’t want him there either for 1st season.
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Members of my family have been through it and its a zoo
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If he were schmoozin' in the President's Box with rich boosters?
I’d have no problem with that. Thing is, Bobby is resentful. Jmo.
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I don't question Sanders.
But I fully believe Bobby thought he was bigger than the program and I fully believe he still thinks that. If he’s around to help out the program I think it’d be great for everybody. But if he’s not around I can’t say I’ll miss the guy.
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A few years ago he was close to a top recruit we were chasing and steered him away from FSU
We were deep in the throes of the Lost Decade at the time, and he publicly said he recommended he go elsewhere because the kid looked up to him.
He was also a Bowden partisan during his last years, which I don’t blame him for. His firsthand experience with Bowden was when BB was at the absolute peak of his powers and abilities.
He’s since come around and said the program’s doing great under Jimbo, so all is well again.
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Do not think that is an accurate account.
Deion told Noel Devine that he would best be served with a year in prep school after his senior year of high school. Devine ignored his advice and went to Marshall.
If anything you could say he was giving FSU more of a chance, in that our current running game was abysmal, but we had just hired Trickett, so it would allow us to see what he could do before Devine made a choice.
You are accurate.
Dogrel is not. Besides, Deion was this kid’s mentor. Kid wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed and had quite a bit of personal baggage. Didn’t hang around the best of crews, either. I cannot believe people get on Deion’s case for being a good person.
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Come on...
Bobby said several times that when his time was done at FSU, he would stay away in deference to the new coach. He said that waaaaaay before the program got stagnate.
Gripper
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by Gripper on Sep 3, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Glad he wasn't at Jimbo's first game.
IMO, this is one of the very classy things Bobby did upon his exit, and a very good thing for the program.
but showing up at your arch enemy's?
he can show up ANYWHERE.. he goes to hogtown? dude is a bitter old man..
At least get the story straight...
Bowden was at G-ville to promote an all-star charity game he will be coaching against Schellneberger. He was there for the pregame ceremony, he DID NOT stay for any of the game.
Some folk’s hatred for the man who made FSU is sad. Get the ‘F’ over it.
Gripper
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You don't find it a little odd he did it in Gainesville at a UF game on opening weekend?
FSU made Bobby as much as he made FSU. Get over it.
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Schellneberger coaches FAU
UF was hosting. I think they had to do it there as it was A. early in the high school season to promote and 2. Im assuming the game is somewhere in central fl near gateville. Not a big deal, and get over the bobby hate, i forgived Dave Wannstedt
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by DS_fear_the_spear on Sep 4, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares about Wannstedt, seriously?
He should’ve just done it at FAU when they open their new stadium next month. I hate Bobby. Grr. Down with old people.
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Dolphins fans
who went from Shula, to Johnson, than him. He turned the phins into a train wreck with horrible decisions. He also didn’t have unparalleled success like bowden did. Fau stadium is going to hold like 30-40k people i think, UF will have almost full house. Cant compare in the least bit, plus espn exposure. Stop the hate, FSU doesn’t need that bad juju from its fans moving forward.
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by DS_fear_the_spear on Sep 4, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I fart on old people.
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Ummm,
Schellneberger coaches FAU
Schellneberger and Bowden were there to promote a charity all star game. You’re cracking me up trickster.
Me get over it??? Dude, I’ve said before and with apologies to the female on the board, you’re acting like a woman scorned. The man could cure cancer and you’d find something with it. You need to move on.
Gripper
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You've told me I've acted like a scorned woman?
I think Bowden handled his final few years very poorly. Not sure what your issue is.
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I agree. As a long time FSU fan it’s odd to see Bowden hanging out in gator pregame. Let’s hope it’s a bad omen for the Gators new coach!
by bigkoi on Sep 3, 2011 7:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not unless
the Gators play Wake Forest.
Let’s hope it’s a bad omen for the Gators new coach!
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
I Was Extremely Impressed with Smith and Reed Today
Seemed like they were always open, EJ just had trouble hitting them a lot of times.
Yeah, Tricket's reaction was awesone
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by SeminoleMike on Sep 3, 2011 6:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dude...
seeing Trickett have a tear seeing his son’s first throw go for a TD….I won’t lie, I had a tear also.
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by Gripper on Sep 3, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
One way...
…if you can stream the game again on your computer, you can pause when the tears swell up, do a screen shot and edit the image to your liking.
Hey! I wasn't crying.
I was wiping away the bug I squished with my eye lids
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Hey! I wasn't crying.
I was wiping away the bug I squished with my eye lids
by I275Nole on Sep 3, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
yea that choked me and my wife up too.
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by JediNole on Sep 4, 2011 8:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Two things concern me
A) EJ’s inaccuracy – missed several easy throws, and many of the balls that were caught were behind guys.
2) The OL could not push around a very small 3-man line. Hopefully with more reps will come cohesion and dominance.
The D played well indeed, and KO coverage was savage – sharks to a bleeding, wounded guppy!
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He is not going to be Christian with the accuracy. He is boom or bust.
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Won’t be as accurate as CP. But I’m going to reserve judgement until end of year & as we get TE’s and RB more involved.
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
its funny I hear this all the time
But wasnt he about 67% today? And about 69 for his career? Which is actually quite a bit higher then Ponder and has played in some hard games overall
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I do think he’ll throw more INTs
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ponder also had more gelled O-line. #Devilsadvocate
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea but his 70% clip was with the same ones
And involved 2 bowl games and ACC championship and a #1 gators
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right.
the WRs were horrible last year. so 70% with them looks better than 67% with the same, one year later.
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But the reasons for EJ's misses were different. It's not that the passes were well defended or that the receiver dropped the ball.
Against a better D, not being able to throw to your own man will result in more INTs. When some passes are actually defended, then you’re talking about the % dropping. I guy who’s at Elite 11 and Manning camp, you expect him to be at least a little closer to the target receivers. It’s like a running back who trips over his own two feet and falls down at the line of scrimmage on 3 out of every 10 plays.
#UnforcedErrors
I also noticed Bama’a QBs weren’t exactly lighting it up on the first game of the season.
#StillTimeToGetTheRustOut
The only thing is I don’t think we were doing some things too that make EJ effective for scouting purposes.
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Most of the passes that Manuel missed weren't thrown into coverage.
In otherwords, they weren’t dangerous throws. He just lead his guys a little too much and I can think of just one underthrow. That stuff isn’t a huge concern to me. If he were throwing into triple coverage or throwing balls to nobody in particular, then I’d be pretty worried.
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When he faces a good D, defenders will be in the vicinity of the WR.
If those balls he was throwing to open men today are thrown when the coverage is a bit better, good DBs in the neighborhood of our WRs will be snagging them. Good thing we didn’t play the first game of the season against OU.
There will be some missed coverages when we play good teams, but we’ll have to take advantage when the coverage breaks down. Against teams like OU, UF, VT, and others he’ll likely face, he’ll have to make completions against better coverage. He made a number of completions where our guys were not wide open. Sometimes he was long, sometimes he was short. Maybe he just doesn’t have the timing down with all of the receivers because there are so many of them? Maybe it was first game jitters. Just hope we don’t have to drop a game to relieve the hype and get him to settle down.
You can't assume Manuel makes the same throws if the coverage is different.
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I think what he's saying is that EJ will HAVE to make throws into better coverage against a better team.
That’s the one thing that worries me about EJ as well, he seems to hesitate to throw to a spot where he really needs to accurately place the ball into a small window. I’m hoping that this is something that improves over time.
by seminoleballer on Sep 4, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
But that's obvious.
You have to make good throws against good coverage to beat good teams. He’s making it sound like Manuel was throwing into triple coverage all game. He wasn’t. Most of his incompletions were in spots where only his guy could make a play on the ball.
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I am saying that some of his throws were bad misses; not close.
If he doesn’t put the ball in the vicinity of his man, then some of those are going to be picked off by better defenses even if our man was open. I am also saying that when playing better teams he will need to be able to hit our guys when they are wide open because you can’t bank that our guys will be getting as wide open as they were. In other words, we need to be able to capitalize when better teams make mistakes and have a busted coverage rather than shooting ourselves in the foot with inaccurate throws to open men.
EJ was missing by putting the ball close to the guy and where no defender had a chance due to where the ball was placed. He was missing our guys considerably on some throws and it just so happened that no defender was withing grabbing distance to make a pick. Better teams will have guys that can close those gaps and pick balls that are that much off their mark.
You cannot have it both ways.
Most of his incompletions (the ones I remember, at least) were to areas where the defender had no chance at picking it off. You cannot then assume Manuel would’ve made the same throws had the defense been in better position.
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You’re right.
It is more about putting the ball in the vicinity of the target.
You’re acting like EJ was intentionally placing some of these bad throws into spots where no defender had a chance. My impression is that they were more like wild pitches in baseball – they were balls that got away from him. These were balls where neither our guy nor the defender could have possibly made any play on them. Whether the receiver ran the wrong route, EJ doesn’t have the timing down, nervousness, adrenaline or some combination of those things had EJ misfiring bad on several balls—creating the equivalent of wild pitches.
You’re saying I can’t assume he’ll make the same throws when there are better defenders. I’d say that I wouldn’t assume he’d make any of these wild pitches in the first place. Unless he gets the issues that created them resolved, there will be plenty of balls for opposing defenses to pick. If he is not going to throw to open receivers when we play better defenses, then he won’t be throwing at all. If he is going to throw, then he needs to correct whatever the issues were that led to many of his balls being very inaccurate. I am not buying your line of thought about EJ being inaccurate by choice – and accurately placing the ball (by choice) where no defender could make a play. If EJ was placing the balls where he wanted, then they would have been within reach or at least within a couple of steps of the receiver’s reach.
Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
Nah, think the ones that sailed were a result of being
overly cautious. A young/nervous QB is going to be particularly wary of underthrowing a receiver anywhere downfield, as that is how you get picked. I am sure Jimbo’s #1 priority for him was to protect the ball, so he’s taking extra care.
Takes confidence to put it in exactly the right spot. He’ll continue to get better at this as he settles in.
Pressure
I also think that EJ thrives under pressure and will perform better in those situations. I am not basing this on anything but the eye test but he seems to rise to the occasion and also seems to drop to the level of competition. Could be intensity or focus??
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Completion Percentage doesnt tell the whole story
When I think of accuracy I think of ball placement and EJ didn’t place the ball in the proper spots today………….. hopefully its first game jitters
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Let's hope its more boom then bust
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by Legal_Seminole on Sep 3, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I like EJ throwing deep
esp. to Smith.
p.s. looking forward to the return of Haulstead
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And in saying that...
He was pretty accurate…as far as his passing percentage
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by WinstonSalemNole on Sep 3, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He wont be Christian with the accuracy but I think we should expect him to complete some of the passes he missed on in this game.
His timing looked ok with the veterans and off with the younger guys. Haulstead coming back and a more opened play book should do wonders.
I think we are selling Manuel's accuracy short.
He has a completion rate of 67%. That’s better than Ponder’s 61.8%. Even if you don’t count 2008 for Ponder due to that young/bad OL, his final two years he was 65.3%. His yards per pass are higher than Ponder’s, too.
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He wasn't using his full skill set either
When defenses have to account for his legs, it should open up some passing lanes for him and increase his completion % hopefully
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by DS_fear_the_spear on Sep 4, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you comparing Manuel's accuracy vs ULM to Ponder's overall accuracy vs all opponents?
I think if Ponder was 65.3% as before mentioned in 2 years versus the best defenses in the country, it goes without saying he woulve probably been 75-80% last night vs ULM? I think the numbers you cited tell the story at just how accurate Ponder was, virtually matching Manuel’s completion % vs Louisiana-monroe for his career. I’m not saying Manuel isnt accurate, but I am saying Ponder was more accurate and that’s without forgetting Ponder had a bad throwing elbow for much of his last year.
Ok but take into consideration
EJ’s completion % for hi career going into yesterday was about 70%. And that includes as said 2 bowl games. An ACC championship gamed and a game against the #1 gators at the time. So Ej did in fact still have a higher cmpletion % in his starts and games against just as hard of opponents as Ponder. Don’t get me wrong. Ponder is great. But to say his completion % is better then EJ is just simply not statistically true at this time. To have the completion % he had over about a half a seasons worth of games against the opponents he has in fact played is very nice. As for his INT ratio it was not off the charts horrible. It needs to change. but one game can wreck that %. Ponder threw 4 ints in a single game.
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Some are underselling EJ’s accuracy here. Accuracy not the issue. Timing is, which comes with reps to those receivers.
Even comparing
the few games EJ did play to Ponder’s career is a stretch imo. Ponder rarely missed wide-open receivers or even receivers that had a few steps on a guy. Last night EJ missed a few passes that were guaranteed money balls for Ponder. If EJ is truly as accurate as Ponder and as we know he already has a stronger arm, more size, and more mobility then NFL teams would be clamoring for his services similar to Ponder. I dont think EJ has all aspects of QBing on Ponder but rather all but one; accuracy.
You're comparing only ONE game for Manuel to Ponder's entire career.
Little hypocritical?
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How many wide open recivers did EJ miss
In all the tough games. Not many considering they werent that wide open in the hard games Ej played and he still had that %. And EJ overthrew a TD pass. Had a bad pass to Oleary. But threw some darts where only his receivers could get them and a 50 yard in stride that was in the air over which is something I didnt see that often from Ponder which I expect a lot more from EJ based on arm strength and WR speed. Wide open receiver 45 yards down field in stride is a lot harder then some 15 yards down finding a spot in a zone as well. I love Ponder. Not saying EJ is better. But his completion % is simply higher then Ponders and EJ is still early and of the games he played look at the strength of defenses. He may not keep that. And the INT need to drop. But on accuracy EJ i factually higher right now so I dont get the accuracy deal
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EJ's accuracy is very good.
Even a few of the throws that were off were timing issues. The ball was right were it was supposed to be, just little early. That isn’t an issue of aim, that is an issue of feel, which can improve with reps.
And lets keep perspective. He completed 65% of his passes. We are talking about a better % than all of the 1st round QB’s put up last season.
EDIT
Cam completed 66% of his passes so not ALL of the first rounders.
Ponder completed 61%
Locker 55%
Gabbert 62%
So my point still stands.
Abd thats why I dont understand all the talk that ej is not as accurate as Ponder
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also bailed him out on the deep ball and he hit the DB in the back on the underthrown pass with the interference call. Those deep balls I give him a break on because theyre deep balls and every QB has to throw it up sometimes and hope their WR wins the battle.
Often times on deep balls like that they underthrow it so the WR can make the play on the ball.
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We’ve seen EJ for several hundred passes now and we are using one game to determine that he isn’t going to be as accurate as Ponder? Isn’t his career completion percentage north of 67%? Ponder’s career % was lower than EJ’s is at this point and Ponder’s break out season he was 69%.
Secondly,
PERSPECTIVE, PERSPECTIVE, PERSPECTIVE.
We are arguing whether or not EJ accuracy is something to worry about. This is the noise of a spoiled fan base who just had the #12 overall pick as QB. I mean, EJ completed 65% of his passes and is north of 67% for his career.
We aren’t talking about Jake Locker (55% in 2010) or Tyrod Taylor (59%) or even Matt Barkley (63%).
Like I said before, I'm not saying EJ isnt accurate
I just feel that watching the very few starts EJ has had vs the many Ponder has had and studying mechanics and delivery, Ponder has better accuracy. EJ has had a solid few games and some clutch drives, but even in the few games EJ played the pass attempts were down as Jimbo shifted to more of a running attack with him in there. I’m not spoiled and I’m not worried about EJ going forward at all. I think he will look much better when we put his designed runs back in vs OU and open up some easier throws for him. Also the addition of Haulstead will be big.
EJ can make throws, especially on the run that Ponder could only dream of.
He made 1 or two on Saturday that Ponder would not even attempt. Give EJ a half a season of straight starts and lets compare to CP7. I dont think EJ is THAT much worse than Ponder, but actually gives us more with his ability to make a broader variety of throws.
by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 5, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
IDK, 65+% is pretty rarefied air anyway
And considering the amount of throws EJ’s already made, seeing his career completion percentages change more than a couple of percent from where they are now would require him to be on a whole different level for the rest of his career. He’d have to have completion rates in the high 70s/low 80s for the rest of his career to see that big of a jump in his career stats. While possible, that big of a change is extremely unlikely.
My big takeaway from this is that both EJ and Ponder are stellar QBs that we’ve been very lucky to get, and even luckier to have someone like Jimbo bring along properly.
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by SanDiegoSeminole on Sep 3, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to remember, Jones was tasked with running a lot out of shotgun,
not given the luxury of running with Lonnie in front like #8.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 4, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
actually watching it now,
running out of pistol too.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 4, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it was more like it took our OL a quarter to get going.
I noticed Jones had nowhere to run and by the time Freeman entered the game there was gaping holes.
Running out of completely different formations though.
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I think the oline just needs time to mesh and the offense needs to improve in the redzone
This game is what I expected, for me what I wanted the most was a shutout,. 2 shutouts going into the Oklahoma game would be great…I think the offense will improve as the season progresses, nobody should be too concerned about the offense imo
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by WinstonSalemNole on Sep 3, 2011 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
Curious...
Why do you say that?
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
just has always seemed disjointed to me, not just this year.
by PeachTreeNole on Sep 3, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s been one of the best 10 in the country back to back years and is not that complicated.
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Agree with you there – Concept wise it’s simple. What makes Jimbo unique is he uses a bunch of personnel groupings and formation variations.
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
true that
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Surprisingly I kinda missed the nice burst Thomas brings to the table.
I found myself thinking a few times during the game it’d be nice to see JT run the ball. He might not be the best back but he’s always had live legs which we were missing early on. Of course the OL wasnt opening up much early for the backs.
I think maybe he was actually being punished a bit for his off the field trouble.
Perhaps. Or it was just the migraines. Who knows. I’m still confident he will get plenty of snaps. We should see Every back FSU has on the field next week.
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whats the off the field trouble?
I havent read about it? I look fwd to JT’s return. He seems to run really hard in the biggest games.
Thats what I dont get then
If not complicated, why does it take every receiver we have till nearly their junior year to get it?
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by AMFKNole on Sep 5, 2011 1:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just as Einstein was too smart to be good at math.
Jimbo’s O is too smart to be good at football.
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Sep 4, 2011 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you say that because we haven't had that big play offense that pops out on the screen
But we’ve been very efficient imo
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by WinstonSalemNole on Sep 3, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree w/ this. Lack of explosiveness makes it seem drab.
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Explosions come with depth & talent …. which is what we’re getting with our recruiting classes. Grind on ya then wear you out – eventually the other team caves
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree we just haven't had those "Anytime he touches the ball can score" talent on offense
but that’s changing, we just gotta give it some time.
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by WinstonSalemNole on Sep 3, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I was talking about the passing game specifically
We have a very good offense, but we haven’t stretched the field vertically in years…
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by WinstonSalemNole on Sep 4, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree. Jimbo is all about maintaining favorable yardage to keep possession. Point being, we could have opened up and scored 50 or 60 by going for big plays. I would rather rely on process than low percentage big plays when we get in the tough games.
by bigkoi on Sep 3, 2011 7:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ej looked very average
There were three passes where of he had made those, I think my opnion changes.
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He made a ton of really good, difficult throws. Probably 7 or 8
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Seminolemike nailed it. I liken ej to cp in 08
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by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 3, 2011 9:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Ponder in early '09.
Manuel has much more experience than Ponder did in 2008.
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he also made some horrendus throws that his wideouts bailed him out
22-34 2td 1 int. 252 yards. Average numbers in my humble opinion.
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evens out with the drops
A couple big ones including a TD by Pryor
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Yeah, There were a few times he hit receivers feet but he would have had 3 td’s and been 23-34 if Pryor hadn’t dropped that perfect ball in the endzone.
pryor gets a pass, dude makes more tough catches than anybody on our team
that pass to smith in the redzone was amazing.. we need more of that and less of the wildly horrible misses on third down ej had..
thought the pass to Pryor was junk high
and hard to handle. Only saw it once.
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no doubt....
Not upset with Ej just not very happy either. This was still ULM.
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Kid had a good game.
Not great. Not bad. Just good.
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For a season opener and a "first" game as the guy....pretty good.
Check out half the SEC today….EJ did pretty good.
My expectations are too high for a RS Junior QB who has been here 3 years?
But someone that’s been here for 3 years should look better than that. He missed missing wide open throws and yes he made some very good throws. Some of those very good throws won’t cut it against OU’s talent level. Sure, his % was good but don’t recall too many going down field.
Like I said my opinion is that he was average against ULM. All things considered. RS Junior, 6 games against better competition as a starter, lots of time with the recievers he has now. Not jumping off a cliff, just expected more.
Geesh, peole need to calm the f down around here.
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by hardcorenole on Sep 4, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
It seems like you are the least calm person here.
All first games look rusty. Add to that a limited play book and it is easy to see why some things didn’t look great. Also, while you have stated that this is just your opinion, when someone offers a contrary opinion you seem to take it quite personally. Relax friend. All is well. Go Noles.
by stop drop & nole on Sep 4, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I am sure when Ponder threw 4 int in a game last year
He was one begging to put EJ in as well.
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Thats funny
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by DS_fear_the_spear on Sep 4, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Happy feet
I have not seen it mentioned here but it seems EJ gets “happy feet” in the pocket occasionally right before he throws the ball. IE- tap dancing and not planted in the stance. Anyone else notice this and could it cause some of his overthrows?
Yes he does. Not sure about it causing the overthrows.
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Did you get any more sense of EJ's ability to read the middle of the field?
His INT doesn’t help the cause, but I wasn’t sure about the rest.
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Not much, no. I think we will run him a ton
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Agreed
And even when he throws, he seems to be one of those guys that throws better on the move than from the pocket. Or maybe that’s just my perception.
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That might be because guys break open when he's out of the pocket,
because defenders are pealing off to defend the run.
No
I mean he seems more accurate to me. Several of his missed throws today were to wide open receivers. Again, might just be my perception, but some QB’s over think things when they are in the pocket whereas they just react when they are outside it.
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I really just think it was opening day jitters.
He’ll settle down and by mid-season will be flat-out electric. Jmo
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glad you touched on the lack of designed runs for EJ
I agree this will be a huge part of the offense and will open him up for some easier throws than we expected Ponder to make.
Noticed it alot in the spring game and it made cause for concern. As well as the bad throws.
I am hoping in week three we get to see EJ “unleashed”. Even if he doesnt calm down in the pocket, maybe he breaks off 7-10 yards a run. Would make me feel alot better about a NC run this year or next. That interception should not happen. EJ should be able to see him sitting and spying in that deep zone. First game though. Dont want to read too much into it.
I know ULM did alot of stunts but that OL needs to start spending 24 hours a day with eachother. I saw Zebrie not pick up anyone more than once.
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by numberonenole on Sep 4, 2011 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
JF said EJ did see him...he just thought he could thread it in there.
by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 4, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
in EJ's defense
that kid made a big time play on the ball.
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If EJ had not locked in on the WR running the post,
That safety would not have been able to follow EJ’s eyes straight into the play. That’s one EJ would want back, and can be corrected. The good news, is that he shook it off and continued about his day.
EJ didn’t want to read that much into it either…
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I thought that was a mental mistake, big time (sorry, Jimbo)
The coverage was MOFC pre-snap. There is a deep back covering the middle. EJ tried to create a seam where there was none. INT. Bad, bad mistake.
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Our field looks so much better than the Gators. Their turf is already brown. :ooks like my front lawn.
So then I'm not the only one that was thinking that.
Wtf is up with that?
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Anyone have a link for the UF game
My wife just took over tv with pretty little liars
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for the freakin love of christ
Can a mod please post a static freakin link on the home page somewhere for this. I get super frickin irritated with a quarter of the gd threads being taken up asking this asinine question. Thank you
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jeebus.
dont be so hardcore, hardcorenole
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sorry. it gets on my damn nerves. use the search function in the thread.
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Can you help me out...what's the link to the link that allows you to watch other games via an internet link?
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Whats the link
to the live streaming of this board updating comments?
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http://www.tomahawknation.com/2011/9/2/2401658/night-game-thread
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I'm sick of this.
Was supposed to drive to Pace today, but ran outta time, so I had to stream the game. Awful picture.
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How windy was it there today?
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
For what it's worth...
Jimbo likes the pass blocking, thought it was going to be difficult to run the ball based on what they do and what we want to do … per post game interview
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Played a lot of guys, wanted to today…. played a lot more packages, played a lot of freshmen
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Greene, Smith, Waisome, Hunter and O'Leary, plus the 3 you mentioned.
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plus Clint Trickett
if we’re counting RS Fr as well,
ditto Cam Ewing. Not sure about Nigel Terrell (don’t remember hearing his name anyways).
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Jimbo on Special Teams: KO team was special today. Greg was good. Lotta big time colisions out there
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Think it speaks to just how important he thinks field position is
That he would have his starting CB and starting S back there.
Still don't like seeing Joyner returning KOs
Not much of an issue today, but going forward…
by SanDiegoSeminole on Sep 3, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree, I wonder if the dropoff is really that much from LJ to the next guy.
I’d imagine he’s making this decision based off what he’s seen in practice thus far.
Those boys were coming in with bad intentions on KO coverage. I REALLY like Telvin on kick coverage.
Notice #22 in deep on every kick. Blowing up two guys at a time and still getting his hands on the returner.
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by numberonenole on Sep 4, 2011 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Saw the EXACT same thing
2 guys tried to wedge him, and he ran through them like a Taco Bell burrito
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Burt Reed and Rodney Smith both looked really good,
I can’t imagine how sick our receiving core will be after Willie Haulstead is back
Jenkins: Trying to work hard so secondary doesn’t have to cover long
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Jenkins: (Was asked can he get to 19-20 sacks this year) Just working hard. Whole team is working hard. Even if it means a double team just frees someone else up
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hi. I'm Brandon Jenkins, graduate of the Jimbo Press Conf. Q/A Program
How long before these guys start speaking 100 mph, without breathing…
#Jimbotalksreallyfast
by David Rohe on Sep 4, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Any ideas what we might be ranked after this week?
I only ask because Either LSU or Oregon is going to loose so we should jump one of them. Was todays performance something that might make another team jump ahead of us?
I could see someone jumping us to be honest..
Maybe OSU or Stanford since they already have 36 points.
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by Seminole4Ever on Sep 3, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
voters like to justify their rankings. Won’t jump this early in the season
Formerly known as 'stilts'
Not when we our opponent just scored 0 points.
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Don't see anyone jumping us. We played fine, didn't open up the play book and shut out our opponent.
Yeah, I looked at the split and it changes things a bit. I would have loved to put up crazy numbers offensively but Oklahoma had a 33 point split between Tulsa and the Gators had a 38 point split on Fla Atlantic. ULM isn’t the worst team out there and we definitely handled them without going 100% on offense. The game could have been more exciting and we could have played better but this is a solid win.
Well said.
I love what I saw from the defense. We have the potential to be special over the next few years on D.
Bud
How much of what we saw today was the result of Jimbo wanting work the passing game or b/c of the 3 or 4 running plays called early that were stuffed?
My impression was it was b/c of the stuffs that that we went pass happy…
1 - 2 Jimbo's coming for you, 3 - 4 Gator’s better lock their door, 5 - 6 grap your crucifix, 7 – 8 Muschamp better stay up late, 9 - 10 never sleep again!!!
I think he wanted to work pass and wasn’t going to waste a bunch of practice time on running against a funky scheme
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Yep. Kinda feel that based on post game comments as well. Defensively too wanted to play a lot of kids and play some different coverages which they did to get on film for them to teach with and for their opponents to try to guess
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
missed the post game..
what was said???
1 - 2 Jimbo's coming for you, 3 - 4 Gator’s better lock their door, 5 - 6 grap your crucifix, 7 – 8 Muschamp better stay up late, 9 - 10 never sleep again!!!
by Seminole4Ever on Sep 3, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
See above & below… Posted some comments made to select reporters before media room interview
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, that makes sense.. and I was hoping for the same..
3-3-5 and similar schemes do present difficulties in themselves but I didn’t like the lack of push against a highly underweight and outmatched Dline..
Hopfully Trickett can light a fire in our Olines ass without making them sad and/or losing any to transfer.lol..
1 - 2 Jimbo's coming for you, 3 - 4 Gator’s better lock their door, 5 - 6 grap your crucifix, 7 – 8 Muschamp better stay up late, 9 - 10 never sleep again!!!
by Seminole4Ever on Sep 3, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Could of ran it if we wanted to score… But this is chance to work passing game vs. defense that doesn’t see us every day.
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
there was no way
we were going to devote enough time this week to blocking that 3/2/5 defense to run against it.. jimbo just wanted to play vanilla and get out of there..
We were only playing against 10 guys for ULM?
No wonder we shut em out.
#onlyhalfkidding
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That is pretty much what I think
They were geared up to stop the run so he gave them the pass and most likely wanted to work on it anyway. Manuel could use a little more accuracy. But you know he has had a shoulder operation and Jimbo has changed his delivery also. It should iron out over time, hopefully by Sept 17th.
You will generally have more injuries running the ball than passing it. Nobody wants injuries right now.
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By design. We could have run for 200 yards on this team if we had wanted to be hardheaded about it, and risk getting EJ hurt running by design.
This was a scrimmage to make our offense better on down the road.
How many weeks til Palmer and Pollack consumate their realtionship?
by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 3, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
K. That’s all I got … Jimbo talking to regular media in a minute.
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Could of comments were made that the wind was a little weird. Was changing direction — Hurricane influence perhaps.
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
couple of.. sorry, fingers are sore. Getting via text & then typing
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Brantley is looking disturbingly solid, though
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
-H.L. Mencken
Jacory asks… how?
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by FSU on Sep 3, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
its fau
i dont care where they sit in the sunbelt, its the sunbelt.. that said usf if embarrassing ND
They sit last in the Sun Belt. LOL
They were picked by most everybody to be one of the worst teams in FBS.
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Tennessee will beat the gators, I guarantee it
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Talent gap is still too big between those 2 schools.
If Bray throws an early pick it could be a blowout. UF.
Brantley might have looked good but he faced almost no pressure.
You can’t get down on him for his performance but it doesn’t mean he is going to be a solid qb for real games.
Hopefully delusional UF fans saw what I've been telling them for months regarding my opinion that they'd better hope Brantley is the answer this year.
Driskell goes in and the first two plays are passes, he glances downfield and takes off given the first sign of pressure. Third play, horrible interception that was almost a pick-six.
He’s got tremendous potential, but he’s about as ready to play QB for the Gators as I am.
by lawdy15 on Sep 4, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good game
Some freshman firsts, Rec TD for Dent, Rec TD for Greene, Passing TD for Trickett, Rushing TD for Freeman and NOL first catch. Timmy and Karlos saw some playing time.
by Tony Mustian on Sep 3, 2011 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
cautiously optimistic
Good day overall with an eye toward improving each week. All will be revealed in week 3. Congrats.
by stearman5 on Sep 3, 2011 8:10 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
yep
D ahead of O. O has lots of room for improvement. D is nasty and once they tighten up further, watch out.
Championship!
to be fair
our D will cause a lot of teams to make mental mistakes.
by NoleLaw on Sep 3, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
maybe teams from the Sun Belt or games that opponents have no chance of winning... or scoring
but not a team like OU.
Championship!
I was pleased with the game.
We never seemed out of control or like there was a chance we couldn’t move the ball. I just felt like we were holding back, not showing too much, and doing just enough to win. Of course we could have pulled a Clemson and been losing at the half all the while not looking like we were controlling a game we should have controlled.
Did I see us have some 4 string guys on D in the 3rd quarter?
"It's our time."
thanks for the link
Didn’t realize Tyler Hunter got into the game!
I also must have a funny memory cause I thought Jenkins picked up a sack.
Gotta be a mistake.
No one else was within 5 yards when he made that sack.
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
JImbos post game admitted tha ULM as not going to let them run
Said the ULM defense was predicated on not letting FSU run the ball, but when FSU really wanted to the did. So the OL cliff jumpers can take a few steps back.
I thought that would be an excellent game plan for them.
Cut off the run and with the funky D throw off the pass. Hard to really prep for that in the off season. Had to concentrate on a typical Defense. All in all EJ did pretty good. Missed on a cpl of deep balls but that will come more live game reps. O line was better than I expected with the lack of practice together. WR did real good. Rb’s seemed average except for the Freshman! The special teams were above average and the D…..Awesome! – IMO
Would have been nice to see the O-Line blow them off the ball though.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Sep 3, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Gentlemen (And ladies)
There are THREE phases to the game. And our best today was Special Teams. The D was dominant no doubt, but between Reed’s kick returns, the perfect place kicking and ULM’s avg. starting field position, it’s going to be a good year if this continues.
They are not talking about good years
These boys want to beat OU 40-0 and win the national championship
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towels
Maybe a dumb question: why do they hold towels up behind Jimbo when he is calling in plays?
So other teams can't see the signs to predict the plays later in the season
˙uʍop ǝpısdn sı pʃɹoʍ ǝɥ⊥.
Big business
You can bet someone with a telephoto lens is sitting on the home side trying to snap pics of the play sheets, armbands, and hand signals. Any advantage can win a game.
I don't think
that’s it really. Remember their offensive coordinator is up in the box with a headset. Pretty sure it’s about that. Could be someone in the stands too I guess.
Dan Patrick: "Is Ponder a good name for a quarterback?"
Christian Ponder: "Why? Because you say I overthink things? is that what you’re trying to imply? As crazy as it sounds, my mom’s maiden name is actually SuperBowlWinner. Isn’t that crazy?"
DP: "Now is that hyphenated?"
CP7: "No, it’s all one word."
Yeah, Coley's in the box
but Jimbo calls the plays and they use hands signals.
The towels have been and will continue to be an anti spy move.
by geoffissiffoeg on Sep 4, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I know that.
I’m talking about the visiting team’s offensive coordinator being up there. Towels used to block him.
Dan Patrick: "Is Ponder a good name for a quarterback?"
Christian Ponder: "Why? Because you say I overthink things? is that what you’re trying to imply? As crazy as it sounds, my mom’s maiden name is actually SuperBowlWinner. Isn’t that crazy?"
DP: "Now is that hyphenated?"
CP7: "No, it’s all one word."
In addition to what others have said, I wonder if it makes hand signals easier for EJ to see when the background is white...?
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Starting to think Jimbo isn't too fond of Greg Dent lol
Puts up solid numbers in the spring game, Jimbo doesn’t really give him credit and harps on the route mistakes. He drops a pass today (that probably could’ve turned into a TD), then catches a bomb for a TD…didn’t see him again for the rest of the game lol. What’s up with that?
Think Coach doesn't want to reward him too much until he gets his head right.
I am big time G Dent and a breakout season but either he is loafing when it comes to the playbook or he is kinda slow. A little at a time I think.
Jimbo values consistency more than individual plays. There’s a lot of stuff we cannot see, such as a guy not running the right route on a play that does not go to him.
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Yeah, I understand.
Just seems like he has a shorter leash than other WRs (who’ve all had problems with consistency). For example, Rodney Smith’s consistency and effort have both been questioned prior to today’s game, but I’ve never seen him completely yanked from a game after running incorrect routes or dropping passes. Greg dropped a pass, turned around and beat his man for a long TD, then never sees the field again? Kind of confusing.
Last season we had no one behind Rodney
If he does it again he will find himself next to Kelvin
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Sep 3, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He had good numbers because he was the only WR on the starting QB's team.
but has to learn to be consistent
˙uʍop ǝpısdn sı pʃɹoʍ ǝɥ⊥.
Everything I've seen from Dent so far just confirms what I'm seeing/hearing from Jimbo on the kid.
He’s got great potential, but he’s very inconsistent. I would have Jimbo saying nothing different about the kid.
Vince Williams, Mike Harris, seniors looked good on D
I loved the recognition Williams and Harris were making out there both playing very quick. I now Williams isn’t the popular pick his instincts looked really good, only once in coverage did his athleticism fail him. Harris, is going to be amazing in the nickel, which in my not so humble opinion is turning into one of the most important positions on the field. Very pleased.
I'm glad I saw this, was about to make a post congratulating Vince Williams
I was thoroughly impressed with him today, he definitely exceeded my expectations!
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 3, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Keeping it old school
Plus the short jersey was totally old school, thought I was watching a game in the 90’s. I loved it.
"I'M OPEN EVERYTIME!"
#BertReed.
"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."
He's badass.
Willie and Big Rod are gonna make him even better, when he can stay in the slot, it’s over son.
"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."
If Rodney
actually blocked on a few of those bubbles for Scooter I’d be more happy with him
Only had one bad block iirc. Looked like he blocked pretty well on the others.
Those could have been huge gains if Scooter was special (i.e., Percy Harvin-like)
"Just keep it up Bert"
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Q: What’s your favorite pre-game ritual?
A: Well, I take a doodoo. Before every game I doodoo.
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Sep 4, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Congratulations on the win!
Was really awesome seeing Clint Trickett throw a TD pass his first pass of his college career. And dad’s reaction was even better.
Next weeks opponent is weak. 2 spiked baseballs to start the season is my prediction.
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
I loved how our backup QB
threw a TD on his first collegiate pass. UF’s backup QB threw an interception on his.
>:-)
by phinole on Sep 3, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Received
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"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference." - President Harry S. Truman
One more guy who deserves praise (didn't see him mentioned earlier)
Kenny Shaw. Dude ran great routes all day, runs routes like Kez McCorvey used to. IMO He’ll never be a star at FSU but dude can always be counted upon to be in the right spot at the right time!!!
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 3, 2011 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
I wouldn't be so quick to say he won't be a star.
Kenny can fill in nicely for Bert next season. When we go four wide I would love to see him play the second slot because his route running is top notch.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Sep 3, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
By "star" I'm talking Peter Warrick, Anquan Boldin type go-to status
I think he could easily go down as a Kez McCorvey type- someone who doesn’t get enough recognition and doesn’t have the physical tools of other guys but is always reliable
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I've said since he arrived on campus
that Kenny has a Ryan Broyles type ceiling if he were in a different offense. He could be that good of slot guy, but we don’t pass enough for him to average 9+ catches per game.
The last time FSU elected to use a game as a passing scrimmage
was the 30-0 Wake shutout last year.
What are you glorifying with your life?
We understand
That team and that score are burned into all of our subconsciousnesses.
I know he was talking about last year's game
Just suggesting there was a deep (understandable) psychological reason for writing 30-0 rather than 31-0.
Was impressed with Tim Jernigan
Definitely didn’t look like a true freshman. Looks/plays like a RS Soph.
Also impressed with Vince Williams. He shed blocks and filled the hole very well. Didn’t watch him in pass coverage at all. Karlos Williams is going to be a very special player.
What are you glorifying with your life?
someone else mentioned it too
but timmy looked like a 300lb linebacker out there
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 3, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Jernigan will be a stud.
Cam Erving really looked good today too, Odell may have found a true hidden gem in Erving.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Gross.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 5, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't believe how athletic he looks
Definitely slimmed down – lot less bad weight. And he’s a NG. Wow.
What are you glorifying with your life?
I think Tim Jernigan is already in the top-5 Noles as far as "most impressive/awesome looking in uniform."
If I didn’t know who he was and you told me he was an 18 year old frosh, I’d laugh.
freeman reminds me of...
a mini jones-drew. same frame and great hands.
I was thinking the same thing, actually.
It’s like tackling a bowling ball. Good luck with that.
by GradSchoolNole on Sep 4, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
FSU D gave up 3.9 against a good D1-AA Samford to open 2010
Today, FSU faced a decent D1 team in ULM and gave up less than 3.1 per play.
What are you glorifying with your life?
More importantly
We beat the TN 30 pt spread.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
-H.L. Mencken
by devnole on Sep 3, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know post game transportation complaints don't belong here,
But f the people who run the spirit bus. After the game was a completely chaotic clusterf$@&!
Saw XR27 getting stretched on the sidelines a couple times, how long will his groin injury linger?
Funny to watch Werner and Stoops talking on the sidelines, seemed to go on all game long. We were joking about translation issues.
Freeman = energy. Jernigan plays beyond his years.
Pursue some path, however narrow and crooked, in which you can walk with love and reverence.
Henry David Thoreau
I think if I had to write a recap of this game it was have started
“FSU finished it’s preseason practice with a solid fall scrimmage. They spent most of the time going through passing drills….”
FSU could have rushed for so much more. How many times we seen Jimbo run that much out of shotgun? Not that much….
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
Weird not seeing CT or JT play dominant roles
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
-H.L. Mencken
Defense plyed better than i thought they would, even with simple packages,
Offense did almost exactly as much as i thought they would: work on specific things only, score little, show nothing. None of us really knows how good this offense is.
Meanwhile, over on the OU boards, the faithful believe we have no QB and no offense.
Mission accomplished in all respects ;)
by PeachTreeNole on Sep 3, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, that would be silly of them to think that.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 3, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Precisely - they pulled the same thing the week before they played us last year
What are you glorifying with your life?
yep yep, had all of us hoping..,.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 4, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
problem solved problem staying solved
everyone should have a pet Honey Badger named "Stanley".
problem solved problem staying solved. Rangers Lead The Way
I want to see how OU looks didnt get to see the game.
everyone should have a pet Honey Badger named "Stanley".
problem solved problem staying solved. Rangers Lead The Way
They look strong
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Sep 4, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Joyner
Cultivating a few of the same concerns as those already mentioned (EJ missing open targets, Oline seemingly porous to a smaller three-man front on running plays), but wanted to add to that list… Joyner almost completely whiffing on the QB in the open field and later in the game finding himself flat footed with the RB (I think) in front of him (made the tackle)… both of those would have been trouble against a team with more mobile talent. Never been a concern watching him before, but don’t like seeing the star safety completely miss on an unimpressive qb in the second (or third) level.
You sure it was Joyner? I remember Moody doing some of that…
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Agree with this, Moody did not play well today
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
No he's right
I remember thinking the same thing when joyner missed those two tackles
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 4, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Joyner may have a bit of the early Greg Reid mentality in him
Go for the highlight hit instead of the form tackle. Greg has made strides in his tackling, Joyner should do the same under Stoops.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
it looked like he was trying to make a real tackle
he just whiffed a couple times
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 4, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Greg looked like he was committed to wrapping up and finishing tackles today. Good to see.
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Amen.
-O-Town Nole
Pretty big cushion
from him on recievers, was really surprised at how far off he was playing
Was a bit disappointed in Nigel Bradham today
Really expect more of him, especially in a game like this. He had trouble shedding blocks and while he was in on a few tackles, I thought Vince Williams thoroughly outplayed him today.
I keep hoping that Nigel will break out and consistently live up to his potential but I didn’t see it today. Hopefully he picks it up as time goes along.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2011 12:56 AM EDT reply actions
I worry about FSU’s linebackers against OU
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they seem slow reacting to me, and dont flow to the ball real well
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 4, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm there with you
Christian Jones didn’t have much impact today either. Vince Williams (and of course Telvin Smith on special teams) were really the only two LBs who caught my eye today in any capacity.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought CJ did play pretty well today.
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I do remember one TFL that he showed impressive closing speed on
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
He covers some ground. Quite a bit of ground actually
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by FSU on Sep 4, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Backs out in the flats?
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
by FSU on Sep 4, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what I’m watching to prep for OU game, LOL
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by FSU on Sep 4, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Oklahoma in two weeks
Good game today Noles but much to improve on b4 we play tha sooners- can’t stop the chop!!!!!
by Kmf on Sep 4, 2011 1:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, OKLAHOMA in 2 weeks. NOT the 137th best team in collage ball.
That O won’t cut it against us, or any of the rest of the top 25. That wasn’t a “Decent D1 school” you guys played. We could make that comment about Tulsa maybe, at least a top 50 team. Not my opinion, look at the unbiased Sagarin ratings in USA today. That team you played was rated like 137th. Your opponent next week is on the BAD side of 200th. I’m feeling even more confident about our game in two weeks, especially after putting up more than 600 yards against a much better team than your boys faced.
ON the bright side for you guys, your D looked like they knew how to line up tonight, and honestly the biggest gains in performance come from week one to week two. See ya in two weeks………
Someone sounds really insecure.
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
by FSU on Sep 4, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really, shouldn't judge on one game,
like OU last year, we shouldn’t have either. Remember that? Struggling to beat a 4-8 team in your opener? Of course you don’t. And if you want to talk rankings, Utah State last year was 101 in F/+ combined ranking and ULM was 98. BOOM.
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I guess my thing is if he/she is really confident. Then why come to an FSU board and proclaim it. Confident people don’t have to tell you how confident they are…They just are.
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
by FSU on Sep 4, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yawn
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Fail troll is fail.
See you in a couple weeks. The insecurity is oozing out through your text my friend.
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by numberonenole on Sep 4, 2011 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't Tulsa playing without
their best player on offense?
Gripper
Tommyhawk Nation: Bobby Bowden is the all-time ACC leader in conference titles, conference wins, total wins, winning percentage, bowl appearances & wins and owns the longest conference winning streak.
So the OU fan is bragging about their defense stuffing Tulsa's offense
and Tulsa’s best offensive player wasn’t even at the game. Hmmmm.
Gripper
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And they lost their offensive coordinator from last season?
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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You’re right.
1. I don’t expect to beat Oklahoma.
2. you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about.3
3. ULM’s defense > Tulsa’s Defense.
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I'm with this guy.
I have Oklahoma winning 6 Heismans and beating the Red Socks for the Stanley Cup.
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by slumgullion on Sep 4, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Even more fail
Not my opinion, look at the unbiased Sagarin ratings in USA today.
From Sagarin:
For the first few weeks of the season, the starting ratings have weight
in the process(BAYESIAN), but once the teams are all WELL CONNECTED, then
the starting ratings are no longer used and all teams are started equal
and the RATING, ELO-CHESS, and PURE POINTS (PREDICTOR) are then done in an UNBIASED manner from that point on.
Since you don't play week 2, does that mean you won't see any gains in performance?
I wish I went to collAge at OU. I’d be as awesome as you if I had.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
You’re right.
You mean the Tulsa program
breaking in a new OC against the #1 team in the country? I sure hope OU can light up a bunch of kids it did not consider worthy of recruiting. ULM had 19 starters retruing from a 5-7 team. They were not that bad a team.
You Guys Just sounded too happy!
OH, you mean that same USU team that Auburn had to score 14 points in the final two minutes in order to have that miracle comeback? Just having some fun guys, and was already looking forward to you guys in two weeks before the Tulsa game even started. And I’m not really saying anything you guys don’t already know…..that offense looks SHAKY!
SEC
Need I say more? If I were you guys I would be more worried about the 66 VT put up against a much better than ULM App. St. team.
no…. clearly you don’t need to say a single thing more…. at all…ever.. again…any time
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
by FSU on Sep 4, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Lamarmillerisabeast just got resurrected
post death penalty
Keep'em coming,
Love a good laugh before I go to sleep.
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Glad to be of service!
I do have to admit that I was just trying to stir the pot a little, and I’ve really enjoyed reading Seminole Nation for the last 6 months. You guys have no shortage of dedicated fans! Wish I could say the same, success has as usual gone to most OU fans heads, and they just don’t seem to have the passion you guys do.
Well then I say excellent trolling sir.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 4, 2011 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
But seriously.
I’ve really enjoyed reading Seminole Nation
that’s a fail. HAHA.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 4, 2011 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
As soon as it was over last season.....
I knew that the trip to Doak was gonna be big. Wish I could make it there this year, but pregnant wife and lack of funds keep me from doing so. Should be epic.
Right now, I say OU wins,
but should be at least a much, much better game. OU by 4-7,
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Optimistic
…….BUT……..I never underestimate the power of emotion in CFB. I think it’s a toss-up to be honest. I’ve watched OU play the Longhorns when they SUCKED, and beat us, too many times to rule you guys out.
ULM game
was pretty meaningless if you’re scouting FSU. so is charleston southern. OU is the actual test and none of us know what jimbo will call or do in that game.
Just like Miami didn't see what was coming last year....
or any of us.
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It's all relative.....
I’m sure that you guys were just as interested to see the OU score. We had too many big plays against our D to feel comfortable. Seems to be the status quo the last couple of years though. I liked that we held them under 100 yards rushing, but the big play mistakes just HAVE to go.
Not really. Because it has no correlation to what we’ll see. Only thing I care about is injury report and general personnel groupings.
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
by FSU on Sep 4, 2011 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
didnt watch a second of the game
i heard they won.. its the first game and everyone is playing cupcakes.. i dont care..
by palmcitynole on Sep 4, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
nice
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Sep 4, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Computer rankings
They are compiled in a non-biased fashion. So what if they are D2, they still rank better than ULM.
we live in SEC land
and know a lot more about it, apparently. Auburn wouldn’t do well in the Big East this year.
You mean the TCU
team that just put Robert Griffin III in the Heisman watch list coast-to-coast?
You think that was TCU's doing?
Did TCU’s secondary get left back in Ft Worth? Probably. But Griffin would’ve been on that list anyway, kid is an outstanding talent.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Sep 5, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly im more worried about VT than ou...
they are in our conference..
by palmcitynole on Sep 4, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL,
it’s clear your knowledge of college football is far superior. I’m done here.
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Um… You seriously want to compare that Auburn team to last years?
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
by FSU on Sep 4, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds pretty confident
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"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference." - President Harry S. Truman
seriously
love their threads…apparently none of them can understand that a tune up game should be treated as such. WHY ISNT FSU THROWING THE ENTIRE PLAYBOOK AT THEM AND SCORING 5 GAZILLION POINTS OH THEY SUCK THAT’S WHY!
land thieves. arrogant fools.
by JaxNole on Sep 4, 2011 2:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Meh. Prefer to concentrate on us and let them think what they want at this point. They’ll have a bye, we’ll have Charleston Southern …. Will deal with OU when they come
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
by FSU on Sep 4, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
People on the internet are very dumb.
If Jimbo loses a game, we’ll get “Is it time to replace Jimbo with Nick Saben” posts.
If EJ throws a pass that’s not a touchdown, we’ll get complaints about him, the receivers, or the playcalling.
If a running back does not score on a running play, we’ll get complaints about the running back, OL, and/or play calling
If the defense gives up a big play, we’ll get "it’s time to place [] with back-up.
It’s seriously as if idiot fans expect FSU to use the godmode cheat all the time and they have no sense of football.
We should start conducting research and looking into this...
It’s seriously as if idiot fans expect FSU to use the godmode cheat all the time and they have no sense of football.
That is why it turns into a dust bowl out there once in awhile
God doesn’t like Oklahoma either
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"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference." - President Harry S. Truman
by DocHoliday2 on Sep 4, 2011 2:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
you mean the land we exiled the native americans to
wasn’t the best in the country? our government did that? no way!
Don't even try starting something with Doc.
He will own you in ways you’ve never dreamed possible. Literally.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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You’re right.
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by Gulfport Nole on Sep 4, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep don’t tug on superman’s cape…. And Doc is the superman of abstract internet
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
by FSU on Sep 4, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Just getting started boys...
Just like the NFL, we are just fine tuning everything… No major injuries and we’re MORE than OK…,
by Kyle Crews on Sep 4, 2011 2:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I see what you did there.
“We’re MORE than OK…” Might one even say, “We’re BETTER than OK”?
by Invictus13 on Sep 4, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want to see Devonta get more playing time.
He looked explosive to me today. I think he needs to see the field a lot unless he is behind with the blocking schemes.
From Pete to Bobby to Jimbo
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.....Thomas Jefferson
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 4, 2011 2:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
and with that, I'm going to bed. Try not to break the internet while I'm gone Doc.
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Or die of copper poisoning.
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Amen.
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F*CK, two of my oxen just died fording the river
One of my people has typhoid and I need another axel. Better go hunting.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
No idea why this is green, or what the fuck it means tonight...
But I am REC’in my boy!!!!!
Go Noles!!!
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by Nattylite on Sep 4, 2011 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha MAH BOY!!!!
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
want to trade?
i got 100lbs of bacon for a horse or mule
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Sep 4, 2011 2:33 AM EDT reply actions
Cant seem to reply to the right posts today...
sigh
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Sep 4, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Still laughing....
That a guy who is making fun of Native Americans is also a Seminole fan……Irony at it’s best…
Hang Half-a-Hundred on 'em. Switzer
I am making fun of you
Irony seems to be lost on you
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 4, 2011 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's a picture of indians burning covered wagons.
How do you NOT understand that?
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
You’re right.
BTW
Duke sucks. Also disappointed in WF and BC, injuries notwithstanding.
You picked the 3 smallest private schools in the ACC to be disappointed in...
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
You’re right.
Perhaps WF deserves a pass
Syr was a bit better last year than I remembered. But Duke losing (again) to FCS Richmond? BC should handle NW at home.
BC/WF were really the only games this week that could help the ACC’s reputation, and both blew it at the end.
Probably good for ACC in the end
Not the losses, but the fact that it’s likely neither Duke or Wake will upset anyone.
Formerly known as 'stilts'
Why should BC have handled NW?
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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You’re right.
tough to say
both teams were without arguably their best players – or at least their best players on O. NW didn’t have Persa (starting QB) and BC didn’t have Montel Harris (starting RB).
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
NW had been without Persa since November, though.
So they had a lot more practice time in without him. Regardless, not sure either team “should’ve” handled the other. And I know you’re not the one that said that.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
You’re right.
My review of this game can be summarized with the following: I went into this game thinking we would beat Oklahoma; I now think we will lose that game by 10+.
Granted, I’m working with an extremely limited sample size here (obviously), but it’s all I have to work. I’ll now explain…
I feel good about our defense… real good. I expected to feel good about our defense… real good. Mission accomplished. Our d-line dominated, our linebacker flowed to the ball and our secondary covered the field. Now, my one problem with the defense today – last season, we got f****d by QB’s running the ball. Well, it seemed like, predictably, their QB ran with the ball EVERY 3rd down and even when it wasn’t a 3rd down situation, their QB took off and pranced down the field awaiting a Seminole defender to decide to tackle him. I hope this doesn’t continue but we probably won’t have to worry about this for at least a few weeks.
Now to the sh*tshow that we called an offense. I don’t care what the numbers say, what our yards per play were, what advanced metrics say or how “good” ULM is on defense, we looked miserable. Sometimes in sports, you use the “eyeball test” to make a more balanced determination of a team and my eyeball test told me that we didn’t look all that good. We obviously purposely didn’t “open up the playbook” or whatnot but “disjointed” does seem to fit the situation pretty well. We didn’t run very well until after halftime and we didn’t throw the ball NEARLY as well as we should have given the looks we had on the field.
My biggest problem with the offense was the play of EJ. When Bud and others talked about how a lot of fans didn’t realize how well Ponder manipulated the game presnap with checks and whatnot, they were NOT exaggerating. Manuel consistently
A) didn’t make good adjustments presnap
2) made poor floaty throws with WAY too air under them
D) danced around and pulled the ball down too quickly
§) missed open receivers
I don’t expect this to continue out of him but if he doesn’t ball out against Charleston Southern, I will be terrified for the following week. All I have to work off of for this season is this one game but I thought our receivers looked really good, which should help Manuel.
I’m curious to know if anyone else sees something that I see: Manuel just doesn’t seem to be able to throw a dart. He has great touch on deep throws but I’ve just never thought he can get the ball to his receivers QUICKLY with ZIP on short and midrange throws like Ponder and someone like Andrew Luck or even Aaron Murray. Am I imagining this? I’m not saying he’s Jacory Harris or anything but he does throw that “airy” style IMO.
This is clearly one game and we were purposely limited but this was discouraging. I’ve been going back and forth on whether we’re going to beat Oklahoma and not that my mind should be as easily influenced as it likely is, but from the only sample that I have to work with, I’m not feeling so good anymore about that game. I’ll stick with 10-2 for now for my season prediction because our defense might be top 10 but I’m looking for a LOT more against CS if only in the offenses continuity department.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
Calm down, sleep it off
I agree with you on several points. But this is a “sky is falling” post. Next week I expect trick jr to run the second half and I expect even less to be revealed from our playbook. This is the preseason. No one can predict our performance against OU. Not even bud. We got lucky on several occasions today denfensively. But I, for one, will look at the giant goose egg that was FSU-ULM 2011 and say that our defense will hold up plenty well enough to give jimbo’s full offensive playbook a fighting chance against OU. And win or lose, there will not be:
A) a 47-17esque blowout
2) an ACC loss
d) anything that will keep us from achieving realistic goals for the season.
Perhaps not the best example...
But that pick he threw in the end zone was a bullet…
by NoleadgeIsPower on Sep 4, 2011 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely, he really rifled that interception
I was afraid the defensive back wasn’t going to be able to hang onto it. I kid, I kid
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"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference." - President Harry S. Truman
No
Ej didn’t looks good, offense as a whole either. He looked so nervous in the first half. He can only get better. His performance did change my thoughts some on OU though. Still it’s one game, can’t hang the season on it. Ej has looked much better in bigger games.
his nerves snuck up on him
that’s the worst; he probably never dreamed he would have palpitations because he’s done it all before… Well, not. He’ll be fine. just wasn’t as mentally ready as he thought he was, most likely. "And now at QB…. EEEE JJJJJJJJJJJJ MANUELLLLLLLLLLLL!!
That will stir your blood.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
I understand where your post is coming from
But I wouldn’t worry too much yet. And I probably won’t worry too much after next week’s game, unless the OL doesn’t look good. We are practicing – with real bullets, but they’re intentionally aimed high (i.e., not much chance of getting hit/losing; unless we really get out of position).
If our first half against OU looks bad… then I’ll worry. On one hand I’d like to see utter domination, but there’s something to be said for valuable reps for veterans and newcomers alike. And if practicing the fundamentals will help us execute better and beat OU/CU/uf/etc, well that’s good enough.
don't worry about beating Oklahoma
I know the main reason people come on hear is to over analyze every situation in the game, but they still have to play the game, so as Jimbo says “progress.” FSU is looking for progress and hopefully by Oklahoma they will be well prepared to handle all the difficult situations they will be in. I’m just excited for the game.
remember what utah st did to ou last year
Championship!
by TLHWG on Sep 4, 2011 9:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn’t see the floaty throws with too much air. He zipped the ball.
And I thought he held the ball a long time. if that were a real game I want him taking off much sooner.
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This could not be more wrong
I’m curious to know if anyone else sees something that I see: Manuel just doesn’t seem to be able to throw a dart.
We were talking all day on twitter about how strong his arm looked.
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Hmm
It must be the angle at which I was sitting – I was looking down on the field moreso than on an even level. I did think the INT he threw was thrown hard. The weak throw that sticks in my head was a timing out route he threw to the right side that ANY decent DB should have been able to pick 6. I will be watching this game on ESPN 360 because it is possible that I saw something in the stands, from my angle, that doesn’t accurately represent what happened. I do however remember several occasions where he had guys open and either missed them on a pass or had already tucked the ball.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
He was throwing rockets. Even the announcers were like “ok wow that is a huge ball.”
Remember some of these were thrown from the far hash, making them even more impressive. I think you’re way, way wrong here. Lasers man.
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I've been known to be wrong a few times lol
I have the game on ESPN3 right now as we speak so I’ll be sure to eat my crow publicly when I see this stuff. I still think he missed open guys but that’s obviously irrelevant in the context of what we’re talking about.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
So far, the throw EJ made to Rodney to the ULM 23 was a rocket was the throw to Shaw immediately after than
Foot, meet mouth
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
Early on there
were some sideline throws that seem to be floated, which IMHO was a problem for EJ in previous seasons, and that was my first complaint to the little lady as we were watching the game, but he def. threw them better as the game progressed, esp. from the two you mentioned on. At which point I recanted my earlier complaint.
It may have been the angle, but
t must be the angle at which I was sitting – I was looking down on the field moreso than on an even level. I did think the INT he threw was thrown hard. The weak throw that sticks in my head was a timing out route he threw to the right side that ANY decent DB should have been able to pick 6.
I’m thinking some of his throws look like they’re weak cause EJ’s motion looks so effortless when throwing them. He was throwing darts out there.
Gripper
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That could well be a factor
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
I understand where you're coming from, S1
Here’s where I think you’re wrong:
- this was game 1—the majority of teams have rust
- EJ & our O wasn’t that bad—only 1 TO, e.g., Kelly’s ND had 5
- Jimbo intentionally ran a vanilla O, e.g., no option, no trick/new plays, etc.
Here’s where I think you’re right:
- EJ was clearly inaccurate on a handful of passes
- our receivers (WR, FB) dropped some balls (but not Bert Reid!)
- our OL didn’t look dominant (but, again, no injuries!)
I know you and most people—myself included—have the OU game in mind; how can we not. (Ignoring the D last year), last year was the 3rd year since Jimbo installed his O and so having OU shut down our D was surprising. The excuse was that our WRs were young/inexperienced. And this was true. So most fans gave Jimbo & the O a pass for last year’s OU game. This year there will be no such thing: Jimbo has 7 WRs who can contribute, we return all RB and have a solid starting OL w/ one of the 2 best Tackles in the country. Most fans—myself included—expect Jimbo to throw everything he has at Venables’ D. The time is now. (I couldn’t resist.)
Championship!
On a side note
UCF beat Charleston southern(next game) 62-0.
As long as we still beat them down while working on things I won't care.
National media? Stupid, reactionary fans? I don’t know how they’ll react. Not sure the media will care too much, to be quite honest.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
You’re right.
Do we make the meltdown thread?
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by Gulfport Nole on Sep 4, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Clint
will QB most of that game.
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
by UCFBoilerNole on Sep 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Charleston Southern
practiced all week last week for us. They will be prepared. Do not let the UCF score lul you into a false sense of complacency.
LOL!
by GoNoles2011 on Sep 4, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thought they did alright.
EJ’s gotta calm down and put some touch on the ball. The o-line didn’t look very good, especially run blocking, but I’ll hold off judging that until they get some more time to gel. I was a little disappointed in our ability to cover the short- to intermediate-passing game.
Hopefully all of these are things that go away over the next week and a half with more work.
Thought Bert Reed made some nice catches. Smith had a good game. Freeman looks like what we were promised. D-line looked great.
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overthrow on a wide open Shaw.
Ouch, put some touch on it so he could run under it, easy TD.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
Although...
…I’d much rather see him overthrow everyone by 15 yards than underthrow it and have the DB pick it off.
Also loved seeing Bert get up to make the catches. If you could get more of that out of Smith, you’d have a pretty scary threat given his size.
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- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher
Classic rookie throw. Don't want to underthrow and get picked, so you put too much on it.
He’ll gain confidence and put that where it needs to be. Much better to put it where NO ONE catches it until he settles in.
I attended the game
and I agree pretty much everything your saying. 3 out of the 5 starting O-Line looked rusty and I just think they need to get back in the groove of playing again. The defense is very good and at times looks dominant. We gave up some pass plays, but we clamped down and rarely allowed them to cross mid-field. The receivers so far look like the most improved postion unit on the team, and Freeman is making a case to start.
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by Matt Champion on Sep 4, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Spurlock and Sanders had a rough start, from what I saw.
But that’s to be expected given their injuries. Datko and Stork did well. I had trouble judging Krug.
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher
KW-Kickoff Coverage
I sure hope he can play safety like he covers kicks. Any video of that hit? And was he the one offsides?
… more issues with being in the right place at the right time?
by Littoral on Sep 4, 2011 8:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here's something I don't think anyone has mentioned: penalties.
We had 5 for a whopping 32 yards. Considering what we’ve grown accustomed to around here, that was pretty darn good.
It's not the amount of penalties it's the type
I’m fine with late hits, PI, offsides and that sort of thing (with in reason). Those are aggressive penalties and/or ones that or not always called. The false starts and facemasks (I think we only had one of each) are not so good.
I think the false starts will get worked out
Overall, I was pleased with the penalty situation. Very few, very minor, very correctable with a little more reps (I doubt Datko has many more false starts).
The young receivers played well
When are we going to see Christian Green?
by fsufrenzy911 on Sep 4, 2011 8:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Might have seen him if Greene didn't keep the 28 yards for the TD to himself.
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Serious. He has at least 5 guys in front of him.
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he was opposite Rashard Greene
on the play trickett went to greene for the TD. Top side of the field, couldn’t see his number on espnU but saw him come off the field after during the celebration. Not much you can do, you get on the field for one play that goes for a TD then other team bleeds the clock.
Anyone got video of Karlos on kick coverage?
KO after the Freeman TD, Los killed a ULM player. Can’t find video.
I think he actually knocked TWO players backward about 3 yards on that play.
Still got in on the tackle too.
I didnt get a harrumph out of that guy!
A couple of side notes
that I found interesting. The gators DID NOT sell out the game for FAU breaking their sell out streak. As a matter of fact, three of their gimme games are not sold out. Oh no Mr. Bill, what will they brag about now?
Quick opinion: FSU’s defense looked much more disciplined overall. Yes, there were a few lapses here and there, but overall players stayed in their coverage better, and I really liked how the linebackers were sliding in intermediate zone coverage. I was a bit concerned about how ulm ran through our gut, but they may be a check up for them and the relative experience of running a very vanilla defense. Ain’t gonna show the cowpokes too much. Overall, a good experience watching at home, and I love that my wife loves to watch football, no runway models messing up my karma.
Where did you read/hear that (uf not sold out)?
I’d love to be able to shut up some gata fans who harp about how they ALWAYS sell out their games, even the nobodies.
How about the biggest gator mouth in Florida...
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20110903/ARTICLES/110909803?tc=cr
Go to the end of the article.
by Panhandle Nole on Sep 4, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks!
I would have never found that… I just don’t go to the Sun’s website, haha.
random thoughts
Prety solid first game. Special teams was off the charts. Best thing ULM did was take the touchback and end up on the 20. Otherwise it was the 16 and sore ribs for about four ULM players. A+
D was solid against the pass and the run but couldn’t seem to stop the qb run. Had they come up wiht a solution for that they would have gotten an A but have to give them an A-.
Offense was hot and cold but could not seem to run consistently when the opposing defense was thinking run. Thought pass protection was pretty good and the rbs picked up blitz well. Devonta Freedman has a chance to be a starter before end of year. He will see pleanty of action in the red zone. His short stature and low center of gravity seems well suited for that. Still not entirely sold on EJ. Looks really good at times and then pretty bad.
I’m way too stupid to figure it out but he seems very comfortable and then not so comfortable and it’s reflected in his throws and his decisions. Overall not bad though. Just hope he steps it up in the coming weeks. Offense gets a B.
Individuals: Devonta Freeman was as good as advertised. Vince Willimas was better than advertised. Loved them kicking to Greg Reid and he showed why he was a pre season pick as AA PR. Jeff Luc had a very solid game and didn’t expect that.
Announcing crew was between sub par and acceptable.Would often fail to note many things like solid blocking or if it was a problem wiht the route running or the qb. On the positive side they did point out the odd defrensive allaignments and the problems they created.
On the polls I expect us to move up in the AP but not sure about the coaches poll. The vote tally was clsoe between us at #5 and Stanford at #6 and Boise St at #7. Only 15 votes ahead of Stanford and 51 ahead of Boise State. I think Boise State may jump us since the voters out west will gravitate toward them in the vacuum created by Oregon. Same goes for Stanford. Stay tuned. My money says one of thsoe teams does and we remain at #5 thanks to Oregon dropping.
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Osceola and Renegade worked it!
Fist time I have seen full on consecutive rears. This was in the end zone after the spear plant but impressive. Would like to see them do this at midfield right after the spear plant for the OU game.
Can't we mount a frickin laser on Renegades head
so he can shoot laser beams at the opposing team after we plant the spear?
by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 5, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Sooner fan pointing out that VT beat a better App St (ranked #2) team
Maybe we should also lose some sleep over UVA beating #4 ranked William & Mary 40-3.
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