FSU at Virginia Tech preview and game thread
by Michael Rogner on Jan 10, 2012 5:00 PM EST
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PrintIt's been 363 days and nothing has changed. A year ago, in a four game stretch, Florida State lost to Butler, and then lost 8 days later to Auburn who was one of the three worst major conference teams in the nation. After a lot of tough talk by the coaches and players FSU then went on the road to Virginia Tech and got waxed. The national media was labeling FSU a disappointment. Bracketologists had bumped the Noles to the wrong side of the bubble, and the fans had given up.
Here is a sampling of the state of Tomahawk Nation one year ago:
hate to say it but I hope the nole bb team loses the rest of their games so our freaking lame ass excuse of an ad will finally have to make a freaking decision to do something …anything… - cdnole
methinks this is almost past the point of fixable - DixieNole
Hey Hamilton
You are fired
Sie werden gefeuert
Siete licenziato
Le encienden
Vous êtes mis le feu
당신은 해고된다 - onebarrelrum
God I can't wait to read WC and see what the few remaining Hamilton nut huggers have to say.
Dopes.I guess the success will start AFTER Duke beats us by 35. - tricknole
In the next game FSU beat Duke, and the rest, as they say, was history.
Fast forward a year and nothing much has changed. FSU lost to Florida, lost to Princeton, and went on the road in ACC play and got waxed. But now instead of a home game versus Duke, it's a road game at Virginia Tech (11-4, 0-1).
Tech's season got off to a very good start with zero bad losses and two wins over Oklahoma State. Their schedule was much smarter than recent years, and at the worst they had played their way solidly onto the bubble. Then they opened ACC play at Wake Forest and lost. Now Wake has as many conference wins as they had all of last season, and the Hokies are reeling.
Virginia Tech has a very good offense (44th nationally) and have the athletes to run a motion offense with dribble-drive principles. What this means is that they spread the floor, usually with 4 players on the 3-point arc, and probe the defense for angles to drive. This is fueled by Erick Green who is the best PG in the ACC (and it's not even close). Green averages 15.7 points and 3.4 assists. He converts 53% of his 2s and 42% of his 3s. And his turnover rate is excellent. Michael Snaer will have his hands full. The other player to watch is sophomore Jarrell Eddie, who might be the most improved player in the conference. Half his shots are from beyond the arc and he makes 54% of those. Oh, and he's 6'7. Good luck closing out on him. Dorian Finney Smith, at 6'8, makes 40% of his 3s. And this is why they are so dangerous. Erick Green can get into the lane and kick to the perimeter, and because their shooters are so big it's almost impossible to pressure them on close outs.
Defensively Tech is solid (60th). They're the 3rd best 3-pt defense in the nation. What they don't do well is force turnovers (234th) or keep teams off the offensive glass (209th). What this means is that FSU is going to spread out the Virginia Tech defense and figure out a way to attack off the dribble. Then three guys need to crash the weakside glass while a defender gets back to guard against the break. This is exactly what FSU did in when they rolled Auburn, and exactly what they failed to do against Clemson.
The game tips at 7pm on ESPNU. Vegas has the Hokies -4.5, and Pomeroy has the Hokies -5.
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LOL
I thought ol’ Norcal had given up on the previews. I was gonna offer to fill in.
CornNole’s preview:
FSU vs VT
FSU sucks and VT has a really good PG. FSU will probably turn the ball over 20 times and lose again.
game tips at 7PM ET on ESPNU
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by CornNole on Jan 10, 2012 5:27 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
But....but....you didnt factor in
FSU’s players are soooo tall!
"I dont hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around." -Bukowski
by cerebralfish on Jan 10, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Just for fun, because we all know FSU can't do any better and can't afford it...
Anyone want to figure out Ham’s buyout? I believe this is the current contract, set to expire in 2 years.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/551427/Leonard_Hamilton_2009_contract.pdf
Standing Tall.
The Hamilton discussion will be much more interesting if this team doesn't make the dance.
I think it then becomes a question of whether or not the administration is concerned with losing the momentum (program wise) that Ham has built. Can they take their time in finding a great replacement, while coming to an understanding w/ Hamilton regarding his future.
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Any idea if this game can be viewed online somewhere?
by EABbGD on Jan 10, 2012 5:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
http://www.firstrow.tv/watch/101377/1/watch-florida-state-vs-virginia-tech.html
http://www.firstrow.tv/watch/101377/1/watch-florida-state-vs-virginia-tech.html
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 10, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
I found a videofeed
by Meehl on Jan 10, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 10, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
That's not good.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 10, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
If the Noles start playing like they did
against Clemson, I reserve the right to start watching New Hampshire primary returns.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
by GoNolzOhio on Jan 10, 2012 6:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'll be flipping back and forth
just to make sure I still have a pulse
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 10, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
3 straight hours of the big bang theory on TBS as well.
Always a good alternate
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I'd rather watch Leonard Hamilton take a 30-minute dump than watch Big Bang Theory.
I hope to god you people are kidding, because I ain’t.
by The K-Man on Jan 10, 2012 8:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Last year it snowed Los Angeles last year during one of the basketball games.
That kind of anomaly might be the only way to explain FSU’s season last year, from losing to Auburn, to beating Notre Dame in the NCAA Tourny.
I hate to say it but that kind of an event only happens once every 40 years.
This year could get ugly.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
what does it mean if I feel he is the least of our problems??
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
Bribery is all I got.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 10, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Why on earth are they doing dance predicitions 1 game into conference play?
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No kidding.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 10, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Best PG in the ACC.......
minus Marshall right?
How the hell you have only 440 followers is beyond me.
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Really? Wow!
I love Marshall. I dont remember seeing Green much at all, so I don’t have the comparison.
I’ll keep my eye out him from now on; thats for sure.
Marshall better passer, but no offensive threat and no defense.
Green is the total package (at the college level).
by Michael Rogner on Jan 10, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Marshall's J looks a bit better in the games I've seen (not sure the stats)
but yeah no D…. I know what you mean.
Dulkys is making some impressive blocks this year
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I always thought the Hokies white home jerseys looked like...
the jerseys I tried to make when I was a kid using t-shirts and magic markers .
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
Probably depends on how bad the ACC really is.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 10, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
13-4 FSU winning so far
VT is trying to out turnover us, and White has committed two offensive fouls because he can’t set a screen correctly
Beat me to it.
I was gonna say Snaer is a heck of a defender.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 10, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
I guess our strength is against teams that rely on PGs for offense
We have to have some strength, right?
So the guys paying attention to Snaer a bit better I take it? Can’t watch tonight.
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Best perimeter defender since Douglas.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 10, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Why on earth is a team that is so bad at shooting so in love with shooting?
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Ask Xavier. He will probably give you the most acurate answer.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 10, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
meant "accurate"
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 10, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Va Tech was weak on the offensive boards?
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
I couldn't help but my laugh at myself today..
When I called the wife to insist that she DVR this game while I attended a game hosted by the 0-8 Washington Wizards. Hopefully our guys show up with some heart for 40 minutes tonight!
Shot selection has been awesome. Two teams putting on a clinic...
for Village idiots.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
LOL
Yes, lets go one on one with Bernard James. I’m a 6’1 PG. What can possibly go wrong?
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ESPN Execs was thinking this morning...
After that boring National Championship game, thank goodness we get to some exciting college basketball.
Then an assistant mentioned FSU vs. Va Tech was being televised tonight.
Solution – fire the assistant.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
if we dont win tonight, ESPN's really gonna have a dud on Saturday
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
Slash five 4 minute sections
I do math goode!
thank god the hokies cant hit the broad side of a barn
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
Advantage of having an elite defense play like an elite defense.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 10, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ian Miller...
Kid is in that Douglas, Thornton, Wafer mold…can score no matter how hard Ham tries to ruin it.
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Yep
I want, just one game, for the offense to run through him every possession. Just to see what he is capable of.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 10, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Thornton went through alot of development...
particularly his Soph to Jr year.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 10, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think he did as well
but he could still score….I’d love to add Snaer to that list, but he’s not come along as strongly as I expected. Oh well
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Snaer, though, much better defender than any of them coming in.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 10, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Snaer has made a big leap this year.
Unfair to compare anyone’s development to Al’s
by Michael Rogner on Jan 10, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
He's just like Toney Douglas,
if Douglas had to play defense in just his socks
by Michael Rogner on Jan 10, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yay for zero court awareness!!!
31-20 FSU at the half
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 10, 2012 7:53 PM EST reply actions
Green for VaTech, 2 pts on 0 of 4 shpoting for the half
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Nice luxury to have Dulkys cover him when Snaer goes out with two fouls.
Plus FSU is body checking him everytime he cuts through the paint.
by Michael Rogner on Jan 10, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Press
if the opposition doesn’t press us all the time – they are crazy
Still got mine.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 10, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Bigger snoozefest
This game or thursday’s Clemson-BC game?
by EagleAboveTheRim on Jan 10, 2012 8:05 PM EST reply actions
I can just see everyone scrambling back from concessions saying...
“OMG they are scoring points! Get back in there!”
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
Oh crap. Timeout. Get back in line. Back in line.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 10, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Kreft is my Korey Mangum
Is that really the best we have for the position?
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
Exactly.
I would probably compare Peterson. He’s closest to Mangum’s size, and the same color.
Kreft…not so much. Kreft, at best, could be Caz.
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Can we get PC's offensive coach???
It seems like no matter what, they always score about 85.
rest of the way
FTs on both sides…. as Katy Perry says… we’re screwed
Snaer has 4
or would you bring him back in already?
and blocks, and aggressive boards
love to see it
Anybody wondering if we get a win back w/ Ian Miller in the lineup before mid December?
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ive never seen a man flex his nuts before
must be something…
I was wondering about that
What is that crazy lady yelling about? I am not listening to the audio? Is she mad that James is cheering?
I think she was calling for over the back on james
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Ive been on that campus. not a lot of pretty women around
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hahahahhaha
announcers have no idea of our FT percentage… seal it hahahah
We've been on the wrong end of those types of games tooooooooo many times
Good to win one.
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Great job getting the win home
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