A look at FSU's Potential 2012 Schedule (accounting for ACC schedules)
I'm starting to feel almost certain some are going to be pissed at about AT LEAST one section of the schedule. I don't know where it will be, but there will be a BRUTAL (by ACC standards) stretch at some point in the schedule.
Right now we have Sept 1, 8, 29 and Nov 24 marked off. Now let's say we get out of WVU, I have to imagine whoever replaces them goes to the same spot since for a while now that ACC must have been making the schedule with that in mind.
Someone mentioned that the NC State Fair is from October 11-21. To me, that means we are likely getting NC State on October 18th. And since the ACC has lately more likely than not given the weekend prior to the Thursday night games as a Bye, I'll assume we are off on October 13 for the purposes of this thought exercise. I have looked at all the other ACC teams Non-Conference schedules and done my best to guess at where each non-conf opponent who isn't already locked into a date might land based on the quality of said opponent. So this isn't perfect or even science, but you'll see my fear when the time comes.
Sept. 1 - Murray State (Locked in)
Sept. 8 - West Virginia (or St. Mary's School for the Blind, either way, locked in)
Sept 15 - Wake Forest
ACC unlikely to open us up with Clemson again and they have an OOC game that's unscheduled against a Patsy currently, so Sept. 15 seems the perfect time for it. BC already has a game then, as does Maryland, NC State (and I've already earmarked them for October) and VT (throw Duke in with the same rationale as Clemson in that they have a patsy to play) same early season rationale applies to Miami.
Sept 22 - @Maryland
VT already locked in to a game (so is Wake, but I used them already). Clemson is available but I expect them to be in November as they have been the last two times we have played them at home. Miami is available here, but this kind of game, when not used to open the season should be saved. However, a compelling argument can be made to play it here, as we might not be able to get them into October otherwise.
Sept 29 - @ USF (locked in)
October 6 - @ Virginia Tech
I originally had BC here, as both are open, but if we don't face VT by now, then we are faced with a stretch of Miami, VT, Clemson back-to-back-back at some point, and that needs to be avoided. Which of course means that it will end up being our schedule. Clemson not here becuause saving them for November as I expect the ACC to do. Saving Duke for before Florida (which is in NO way a given knowing the ACC).
October 13 - BYE
Expect this to be the BYE week and to get NC State following Thursday
October 18 THURSDAY - @ NC State
Reasons stated above
October 20 - Off because we have a game on the 18th
October 27 - @ Miami
I originally had VT here, but when I realized the stretch we'd go on, it seemed excessive. This might not happen this way (and keep in mind Miami and Clemson would be interchangeable to me here, except Clemson has recently been in November and Miami has historically been in October), but this is my best hope/guess at what we'll get.
November 3 - Boston College
We haven't gotten them in November in Tallahassee as long as they have been in the ACC. Maybe this time around. Who knows. They are available here (but not November 10th) and would serve as a nice buffer before Clemson.
November 10 - Clemson
ACC's Premier game. Should be expected to decide the division (if the division isn't already decided by this point). Clemson has a non-conference schedule very similar to ours. Locked in on Sept 1, 8 and November 24 (I also expect their third non-conference game to land on September 15 because of the quality of the opponent).
November 17 - Duke
Honestly, there is every reason to expect the ACC to put Duke right after a bye week in mid September. But this would certainly be a nice reward for the program you expect to be your flag bearer. Duke's non-conference schedule only has two games locked in so they have plenty of room to move, but I expect them to spend most of September beating cupcakes and losing to Stanford before moving into Coastal play. Hopefully our Septembers conflicting and the Charlie Foxtrot of an October schedule we're dealing with because of NCState and the likely Thursday night game, this game could easily fall to this part of the schedule.
Nov. 24 - UF
Three in a row!
December 1 - Virginia Tech (again)
January 8 - Juggernaut SEC Team
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I certainly hope the ACC
dosent give us the dreaded 3 game stretch of tough apponenets. But, like he said, because tis would be a real headache for us it is almost certain to happen!
This is a good fanpost.
Well researched, good food for thought. However, you’re not going to see all five road games getting sandwiched into the middle of the schedule. Look through the teams that are available for each week and ignore what the ACC would do to make the schedule fair, compelling, etc., because seriously, they won’t do it. And FSU will not go two months without a home game. It’s going to be very difficult to be happy with this schedule – that stretch of games we’re fearing is just about inevitable.
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So this is your educated guess on the '12 schedule?
When do they release the actual schedule?
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
One HUGE problem with this schedule
You have FSU playing 5 road games all in a row
by Jonathan Loesche on Jan 10, 2012 10:00 PM EST reply actions
I appreciate your hard work...
but that schedule is not likely as it looks like this:
Murray State
West Virginia (or whoever)
Wake Forest
@Maryland
@USF
@Virginia Tech
BYE-OPEN
@NC State
@Miami
Boston College
Clemson
Duke
UF
That would mean that FSU won’t play a home game for 6 weeks (5 away games and a BYE) and will close the season with 4 straight home games after opening with 3 straight. Good work but not likely. I do agree with you that there will be at least one brutal stretch of schedule that most FSU fans won’t like…
Well as I said Clemson and Miami are interchangeable
That’d make it 4 games in a row on the road. Also, Duke could very well be flipped with one of the road games… so I suppose Maryland or Wake the week before Florida is a possibility as well.
This isn’t my best guess at what they’ll do. This is the schedule I’d like for us to play (suppose you could switch Clemson and Miami).
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by AMFKNole on Jan 10, 2012 11:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Easily swap Clemson and Miami and BC and VT
Almost assures us of walking into a Thursday night game in Raleigh undefeated and ranked in the top 5, that’ll be fun.
Makes it home, home, home, road, road, home, road, home, road, road, home, home.
The point is not to predict the best schedule but to get my thoughts out there while considering the dates we can’t play certain teams.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 10, 2012 11:28 PM EST via Android app reply actions
The ACC may be abunch of morons
But no conference is going to make a team play 5 straight road games. Not even the NFL does that.
by Jonathan Loesche on Jan 11, 2012 4:12 AM EST up reply actions
Understood
As I said, this wasn’t me saying “this is our schedule.” More like I was saying, here’s one way it could look, but regardless there will be a stretch in there that we as fans hate.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 11, 2012 7:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If those could happen, I could deal.
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Nice work. Did you go spreadsheet for this?
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What the ACC will probably do to us...
Murray State
WVU
@VT the next morning
Clemson that night
WF
DUKE
@USF while the bucs are playing a home game.
@NCState on Thursday
BC 2 days later
@Maryland on Thursday
@ Miami 2 days later
UF
BYE
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by Marmaduke1 on Jan 11, 2012 9:17 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Watch out for...
The Clemson, VT, Miami jamboree
We still win the Atlantic Division, only to be told the ACC Championship Game was held in Week 7 and we lost by forfeit.
by 38Noles on Jan 12, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I doubt that the ACC is kind enough
to give us Duke in the week before UF. I’m thinking either Clemson or Maryland. What worries me most is Virginia Tech being scheduled for a Thursday night. I don’t put this past the ACC.
I'm looking for VT on 5 days, and important game week before UF as being major speed bumps
This year, regardless of what happened or the eventual 8 pm start, UVA was certainly a trap game sandwiched between our 2 main rivals. Clemson away after OU before a bye was a big middle finger from Swofford.
I don't blame them for the UVA game
They were projected to be one of the worst teams on our schedule, so the logic of them between UM and UF made some sense. But yeah, the Clemson road game and BC road game on 4 days rest were both slaps in the face.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 11, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
The ACC really doesn't seem to plan its schedule well
Like this site has pointed out before, scheduling FSU/CU – the most important division game of the year – right after huge OOC games (OU/Aub) was stupid. Anyone could’ve seen that if they gave the schedule half a second’s thought. Another example is conference games the week before huge OOC rivals.
The ACC should help all its teams, not just FSU, with the schedule. Position the teams to have their best shot against OOC opponents by not scheduling big conf games right after or before big OOC games. Allow our teams to spend a little extra time on the OOC games without worrying about whether that time might cost the division.
I KNOW that scheduling for 12 teams while considering all factors is very, very difficult (e.g, OOC opponents, too many consecutive H/A games, Thursday night short weeks and/or bye weeks, etc.), and that each team will have at least one bad situation. But I’d gladly help put a schedule together. Just give me a call, ACC! We’ll negotiate a fair, and affordable, rate. :-)
Think about this though
what if we beat OU and not sustained ridiculous injuries to EJ and Shaw? We would be playing with a lot of momentum which could have easily changed the outcome of the Clemson game and our entire season…
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Okay...
But by scheduling that marquee game a couple weeks after the huge OOC games, both teams are likely to be healthier – and FSU could’ve regained momentum by beating Duke (even with the injuries).
But from a CONFERENCE – not FSU – standpoint, consider this: the most important game of the year for FSU and Clemson was probably going to be that game. The OU/Auburn games had absolutely no effect on either teams’ chances of winning the division. But the FSU/Clem game had huge divisional implications.
It just seems wise to reduce the stress for OOC games by not scheduling them next to major conf match ups.
Early Prediction
Losses at NC State, at VT, and either WVU or USF. 9-3 and no ACC championship game as we will be clemson’s only loss.
They're Clemson
to assume they lose all they’re losing then go 7-1 in the ACC for the first time in forever, seems a bbit much.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 11, 2012 12:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If we lose to USF
we have no right to complain about scheduling, and for at least a decade are forbidden from making proclamations about being “back.”
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 11, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Actually we do
Because we were dumb to schedule them.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 11, 2012 3:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
They're a sub .500 team from a terrible conference
Yes it’s a road game, but with minimal traveling involved in a stadium where our fans will have a significant presence. I really don’t understand why everyone is freaking out about this game. Motivation won’t be a problem, since they beat us in 2009. They don’t run a gimmicky offense that could trip us up.
I understand not wanting the WVU game, but USF? Personally, I’m looking forward to annihilating them and shutting up the obnoxious USF fans that think one win against our worst team in 3 decades makes us equals.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 12, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I would seriously punch myself in the neck to replace WVU and USF
With average CUSA and BE teams.
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5-7 is the new 10-2.
But yeah, the USF game sucks, but we owe them the game. How do you get out of that? And the WVU game would be fine if the series were simply delayed a year, which isn’t going to happen. Instead we have a chance to beat what will be a vastly overrated West Virginia team and garner national attention to start our season. Please don’t injure yourself over that, Jamil.
Yes, the schedule is tough, but a very good to great team would go 10-2 with the 2012 schedule, and any reasonable fan will be happy with that as long as we don’t lose to a Wake Forest or Duke and beat a still-rebuilding UF. FSU will go 9-3 or 8-4, and TN will blame it on the schedule.
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If FSU goes 9-3 or 8-4 next year
I’ll blame it on Jimbo.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 11, 2012 3:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
They were a 5-7 team. Their program has better than that.
Which is evident when you look at multiple seasons. They won 8-9 games every year between 06-10. They have been (at worst) slightly above average by BE standards.
Also, you don’t need national attention when you’re preseason top 10. You need to win all of your games.
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by Jamil Dawson on Jan 12, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
We've covered all this.
And Florida State desperately needs some weekly mid-marquee attention right now. Florida State is a unique brand with a unique fanbase, and cookie-cutter solutions that work for the Virginia Techs and Boise States of the world – teams that do not win national championships by the way – will not work for FSU. Not in the heart of SEC country, not with the state UF media we have, and not in the minds of recruits who want to see their highlights on ESPN every weekend.
There are pages VOLUMES I could write on why FSU schedules the way it does and why you see no effort to change it. No one wants Oklahoma, but we’re not playing Oklahoma this year. We ended up with the easiest schedule this program has seen in perhaps two decades in 2011, and we ended up 9-4, blaming this catastrophe on injuries and the insane OOC scheduling. Laughable, if it was funny.
And I’ll stop quoting from these volumes when TN stops blaming scheduling for everyone of FSU’s failures.
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by TRMNole on Jan 13, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why is it laughable?
Few teams have great seasons when they have that many injuries – ESPECIALLY along the OL. That’s one undeniable reason for the disappointing season.
Also undeniable is that if we had played Memphis and EJ got injured anyway, we’d still be 10-3 rather than 9-4. So… as much as injuries hurt us, so did the schedule.
In most years, we need to perform well regardless of the schedule; Bama and LSU can, so can we (eventually; probably soon). But too many injuries will derail any season; easier schedules make such difficulties easier to overcome, though.
I would, however, be very interested in reading the behind-the-scenes hows and whys of the scheduling. I know there are factors many of us aren’t well versed in; it’s always cool to read more, though.
"No one wants Oklahoma, but we’re not playing Oklahoma this year."
I’m trying to give you some of the behind-the-scenes hows and whys. It’s just not as simple as easy wins for FSU. But I’m letting this go for now. Both sides are out there, and it never gets anywhere.
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They have horses and tend to field a legit Defense
Those characteristics in a game they have nothing to lose is scary.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 11, 2012 3:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Thursday night games
This has probably been covered before, but….
I realize that FSU is able to play Thursday night games away, and has a hard time hosting them at home, but just because we CAN play away Thursday night games, does that mean we always HAVE to play one each year?
Or is this just another favor the ACC likes to hand us each year?
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I'd guess there is something in the contract that requires the ACC to put us on 1 Thursday a year
We’re their biggest draw, they’d be foolish not to use us once there for a game that would otherwise not draw eyeballs as well.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 12, 2012 1:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Doesn't seem very fair to FSU.
What perk do we get?
I guess it’s not a democracy, but man… throw us a bone every now and then ACC.
Making FSU fly to Boston on a Thursday night this year was dumbfounding.
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Would have to shut down the Moore Center for two days
Cancelling classes like that for a football game is frowned upon. We tried to have a fall break once like they do up north, but it got bad publicity because it seemed we were giving a vacation simply to accomodate a football game.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 12, 2012 1:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
We should shift those classes to other locations...
We have all these new rooms in HCB that are seemingly empty half the time
Don't think we'll have the 5 games on the road stretch...
It’s not 1981!
Is the NC State game locked in to be that Thursday? If so, and using your research to note already locked in dates, I’m thinking/hoping:
Murray State
West Virginia (or whoever)
@Miami (they’ll want an early season marquee game)
Wake Forest
@USF
Clemson
BYE
@NC State
@Virginia Tech
Boston College
@Maryland
Duke
UF
After last season’s shaft-job, and the bad press and fallout, I’m thinking they will TRY and set us up better without the long stretches of home and away weeks like last year. Of course, this IS the ACC we’re talking about.
^this seems like a very plausible schedule
and i like Miami at the 3 spot as it would be a good Marquee matchup to open the season. Also Duke before UF would be a great call
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Wouldn't be too bad
Bye week before the Thursday game (which really should be a given, but this is the ACC) and then 10 days to prepare for Virginia Tech. It would put our three toughest conference games in succession, but in a way that is very manageable. Then a fairly easy November schedule leading up to UF at home.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 14, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
not going to happen
the big east is holding pitt, syracuse, and west virginia hostage until at least 2013
Hotels
I’m going to just bring up a little off topic item here…So given the potential schedule, I thought perhaps November 3rd might be Parents weekend. There are several hotels alreay sold out. The hotels that remain are outrageously expensive. The Best Western Plus in Midway, $180/night before tax. The new Sheraton Four Points, not even open, over $300, Doubletree, $360, anything that you would feel comfortable touching the bed is at least $200/night. Very discouraging. I know that the Noles will draw very well this year, but the Tallahassee hotels just take advantage of this. I would like to buy season tickets, but there is just no way with this type of cost added to the ticket price, it just is not financially feasible. I’m not even seeing that we will be able to spend the money for one game.

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