Tomahawk Nation's Final BlogPoll for the 2011Season
by onebarrelrum on Jan 10, 2012 10:51 PM EST
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PrintLSU deserves #1, so does Alabama, especially taking into account the criteria we set forth doing this blogpoll. Alabama was/is better than LSU and LSU was very fortunate to win the first game against the Tide. I thought about ranking LSU #1 based on overall schedule and the fact they won at Alabama and played an extra game against a very good Georgia team in the SEC Championship. But the beat down that took place in the championship game trumps that. If LSU kept it at least close, I think LSU is #1.
For any blog/AP voter that chooses LSU for the top spot, they aren't in the wrong. Does Oklahoma State have equal rights to claim the #1 spot? Perhaps. Either way, I'm sure the powers that be will work out a fair, amicable system that takes all parties interests into account and is best suited in deciding the number 1 team in all the land.*
For Florida State fans, FSU finishes in the top 25. After a 2-3 start this is perhaps...acceptable. Though a win over Virginia and a better bowl game and FSU could have finished much higher. We will do a preseason ranking at the beginning of next week ( I know, I know, what is the world coming to) and be on the look out for the second annual season end review, perhaps this weekend.
Inside find the rankings. There will be sound arguments for moving any team a bit up or down. If you see any glaring errors, make it known in the comment section (thinking maybe we can boot BYU and put back USC even though they were not allowed to play in a bowl). Also, if you have ideas for a top 25 preseason ranking, let us know. We've had some great input this year and have tried to adjust the poll accordingly. It will be the same drill next year.
Tomahawk Nation Ballot - Week 16
| Rank | Team | Delta |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Alabama Crimson Tide |
 1 |
| 2 | LSU Tigers |
 -1 |
| 3 | Oklahoma St. Cowboys | -- |
| 4 | Oregon Ducks |
2 |
| 5 | Arkansas Razorbacks |
2 |
| 6 | Stanford Cardinal |
-2 |
| 7 | South Carolina Gamecocks |
3 |
| 8 | Michigan Wolverines |
4 |
| 9 | Michigan St. Spartans |
2 |
| 10 | Wisconsin Badgers |
-2 |
| 11 | Baylor Bears |
2 |
| 12 | Boise St. Broncos |
5 |
| 13 | Oklahoma Sooners |
6 |
| 14 | Kansas St. Wildcats |
-5 |
| 15 | West Virginia Mountaineers |
6 |
| 16 | TCU Horned Frogs |
2 |
| 17 | Virginia Tech Hokies |
-1 |
| 18 | Georgia Bulldogs |
-4 |
| 19 | Houston Cougars |
3 |
| 20 | Southern Miss. Golden Eagles |
4 |
| 21 | Clemson Tigers |
-6 |
| 22 | Cincinnati Bearcats | -- |
| 23 | Florida St. Seminoles |
2 |
| 24 | Nebraska Cornhuskers |
-4 |
| 25 | BYU Cougars | -- |
| Dropouts: USC Trojans, Penn St. Nittany Lions | ||
SB Nation BlogPoll College Football Top 25 Rankings "
*This will never happen. Ever.
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Was wondering when I was going to see that * meaning
lol
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This is pretty close to what it should be though.
I would say just about spot on.
by NOLEisticscience on Jan 11, 2012 5:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would switch VT and Southern Miss. I think Southern Miss was under rated this year.
Drop Boise A few spots until they play a schedule that’s worth a damn I don’t show them any love.
Move West Va up a few spots. I think they were a pretty dangerous team.
Drop BYU out of the 25 and replace with Southern Cal. I don’t like Lane Kiffen all that much but he has those kids playing some damn good football.
by NOLEisticscience on Jan 11, 2012 5:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
southern miss schedule was atrocious
and lost to two bad teams.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Jan 11, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yes true but when they focused and played to this potential they were pretty solid.
But yes they lost to two bad teams. Just don’t think they are as bad as their record shows.
by NOLEisticscience on Jan 11, 2012 9:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You can make that argument for any team in sports.
If FSU played to its potential they wouldve played in the Championship game and been undefeated.
by zewhitedevil on Jan 11, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I am in the opposite thought on WVU
They looked dangerous agaisnt a young clemson team that QUIT after WV’s fumble return score…absolutley checked out.
Let’s all remember this is the same team that lost romped by SYR for the 2nd year in a row, last year being their homecoming game, and a team that sturggled mightly in their last 3 big east games with an avg winning score of 2.5.
They consistently lacked the ability to put up points in the first half of most games, and never really played a defense that would challenege them to 4 quarters.
I know its a what have you done for me latley, which is drop 70 on the ACC champs, but that deserves a little perspective!
"Hey Shakin the Southland, Why didn't you storm the field after the Orange Bowl like you do after every game?" ----------BANNED!!!! hahaha
Michigan atop the B1G, huh?
they lost to Sparty by 2 TDs, Sparty split games with B1G champ (Wisky), Sparty beat UGA in triple OT, and Sparty drops behind Michigan?
Michigan lucked out a lot this year: not playing Wisky this year (Michigan would have lost this game), win on a hail Mary vs. ND, beating VT.
But I respect your ranking b/c it puts Michigan above all other B1G teams, which means that the B1G wasn’t good this year.
Championship!
I have to think
that if Sparty and Michigan are that close in the poll they have to be reversed since Sparty did lay waste to the Wolverines.
Sparty got whipped by Nebraska,
Michigan destroyed Nebraska. It really is a toss up.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Jan 11, 2012 7:28 AM EST up reply actions
Kind of like national champs...
there really is no wrong answer.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Jan 11, 2012 7:29 AM EST up reply actions
So you're putting more stock in
a common opponent then the actual game between the two teams? Sparty played them on the road and Michigan played them at home. If it truly is a toss up then why not use the game they played against each other?
Who’s Michigan’s best win? 9-4 Nebraska or 8-5 Notre Dame?
Sparty’s best win? 11-2 Michigan 11-3 Wisconsin or 10-4 UGA.?
Sparty has the better resume, the higher F/+ ranking and the head to head. Its not much of a toss up to me.
3 losses weigh in.
Not just head to head. Still a toss up to me at least. Not enough to bump up the team with more losses.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Jan 11, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
I can't consider the 3 losses
given that they played a different number of opponents. Both teams in the regular season and bowl game went 11-2. By including the third loss for Sparty you are saying that because Michigan didn’t have to play Bucky twice or earn a chance to play in their championship game, they are a better team. Sparty split the two games with Bucky and Michigan didn’t play them one.
Its sort of like the NC game except that Bama arguable was the better team in the game they lost, but was absolutely the better team in the NC game so its not exactly the same.
Per your initial criteria
I only rank teams based on their resume. What have they done?Sparty lost to Nebraska, Notre Dame and Wisconsin (in the CG so I don’t hold that against them) and beat Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia. Michigan lost to Sparty, and not so good Iowa team.
Which is better three wins over teams in your top 25 with losses to 2 teams in the top 25 one of those being a rematch in a championship game? Or two wins in your top 25 with a loss to a 7-6 team.
Maybe I’m just biased because I like Sparty more then Big Blue but it seems on paper that going 3-2 (those wins being the #8, #9, and #18 teams) vs top 25 is better then 2-1(#17 and #24) especially when the head to head is on Sparty’s side. If there was more separation between the two it probably wouldn’t be glaring to me but to have Big Blue only one spot ahead of Sparty where Sparty’s wins are better per your top 25 and Sparty beat them seems glaring to me. Holding Sparty to the fact they played your #9 twice and split against them when the best win on Big Blue’s record per your poll is VT at 17 and through a weaker SOS never had to play Wisconsin seems like it shouldn’t be a toss up.
Whoops
I can’t consider the 3 losses
given that they played a different number of opponents
Meant that I don’t consider the third loss in the same way I look at the other two. Given that it was in a extra post season game that Michigan wasn’t eligible to play in.
Idea for next year's poll
Rank the teams as you would this year then normalize by percentage of 2-deep returning. Accounts for how the team played this year and then accounts for drop offs from teams who lose a lot vs dont.
that might work, numbers approach. good idea.
Im also leaning toward something dumb, like whose mascot would win in a fight to the death.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Jan 11, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
There's no way Osceola loses that.
"Nick Cage..."
by RoyalOaksNole on Jan 11, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
If you want a semi serious poll go with that...
If non serious then I’m all about ranking by co-ed percentage.
quantity or quality?
very different
"Hey Shakin the Southland, Why didn't you storm the field after the Orange Bowl like you do after every game?" ----------BANNED!!!! hahaha
Definitely boot BYU for USC.
A win over #4 and a very close loss to #6 is impressive. They also beat up ND in South Bend and destroyed their in-city rival by 50. That’s not bad for a program the NCAA tried to put in a coma.
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yeah and I would, wish i did it in the first place. wish i did this poll yesterday, think it.is closed now.
Can’t update. All well, we’ll be sure to be kind to usc in the preseason poll.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Jan 11, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
FWIW...
destroyed their in-city rival by 50
UCLA has been a dumpster fire for years.
But I agree, USC was impressive this year. Just beat up Oregon on the line of scrimmage.
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— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 11, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure where USC should be on this poll,
but they have to be a top 5 team pre-season.
"I dont hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around." -Bukowski
Maybe could justify USC at 9 or 10
Maybe higher since the QB is returning.
by NOLEisticscience on Jan 11, 2012 9:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Theyre completely loaded next year.
"I dont hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around." -Bukowski
by cerebralfish on Jan 11, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Have we ever figured out if the preseason poll is
Where you think they’ll finish or how good you think they are?
Official reader of Tomahawk Nation.
Formerly known as Florida State Jay.
by Jamil Dawson on Jan 11, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
yeah I don't know how schools like So Miss and Cinci are on here
but not USC, who was top 3 in PAC this year and could make an argument (not a great one) that they were the best: one gimme loss to ASU, took triple OT for Stanford to beat them, plus didn’t get a chance to show themselves in post-season
Where is UF?!?!
Oh yeah, they sucked.
by sonofagunn on Jan 11, 2012 10:00 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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