'Noles News 01.11.12
by Bud Elliott on Jan 11, 2012 10:23 AM EST
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PrintFSU goes back to the basics, upsets Virginia Tech 63-59 - Tomahawk Nation
A much, much needed win.
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Spencer Hall attends a funeral in New Orleans, the only possible final resting place for the 2011 college football season.
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Big BCS change likely coming in wake of all SEC championship game - Andy Staples - SI.com
Conference commissioners met Tuesday in wake of controversial BCS title game / Existing deal runs through 2013 season, but we could hear new plan this summer / Current system won't survive; move to plus-one and away from AQ status is likely.
LSU The Clear Favorite For 2012?
Early 2012 ACC power rankings - ACC Blog - ESPN
FSU finished 2011 as the ACC's best team, and loses the least, so it makes sense the the 'Noles to start at the top.
College Football Top 25 For 2012: An Early Look Toward Next Fall - SBNation.com
5. Florida St. Seminoles. Today's freshmen are tomorrow's sophomores, and while FSU will still be young enough to take a couple of accidental steps backwards, it is impossible to ignore the number of intriguing players they will have: ends Brandon Jenkins and Bjoern Wener, quarterback E.J. Manuel, young receivers Rashad Greene, Kenny Shaw, etc., a deep (and still young) offensive line, corners Greg Reid and Xavier Rhodes, etc. The Seminoles become bigger, faster and deeper each year.18. Clemson Tigers. Oh, that defense. Andre Ellington is returning alongside quarterback Tajh Boyd and receiver Sammy Watkins, so Clemson should absolutely be a top-25 team because of the offense alone, but to say the least, they have a lot to prove on the defensive side of the ball. ESPN's Matt Millen and Robert Smith both named the Tigers a top-five team for 2012, and ... yeah. Can't agree with that.
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I don’t get why they are everyone’s early #1. To me USC is easily the team bringing the most certainty back. I would have them 3 or 4 going into next year but not a clear cut favorite by any means.
LSU was much, much, much better than USC this year and USC still doesn’t play much defense.
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by Bud Elliott on Jan 11, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
which USC?
Isn’t the one out west still on probation/ bowl ban next year?
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No
They are eligible for bowls again, which, I think, is a major reason why Barkley came back. He sees they have legitimate NCG potential.
by newdynastynole on Jan 11, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Ahhh, thanks!
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Depends if he’s basing No 1 on actual best team or who has a chance to have a better record. USC could end up with best record (Thanks Pac-12) and in the title game. So I think for some writers it “easy” to pick them 1, 2 or 3.
Yep.
If I’m a writer, I’m slotting UGA, USC, & possibly Oregon (Their schedule is pretty managable up until the end) in an effort to boost my cred. I have no idea if they’re better than Alabama, Oklahoma or FSU, but their chances of making me look good are better.
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by CornNole on Jan 11, 2012 12:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just summed up the problem with polls.
And again the reason to only care about wins and not resume.
Formerly known as 'stilts'
Yep.
It’s a crappy system.
I’m more inclined to respect a guy that takes a stand on a power poll. He may not look as good, but at least he took a side. Anyone can take an hour to look at returning starters, schedules, and coaches and poop out a guess.
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by CornNole on Jan 11, 2012 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hate that more than just about anything.
Nothing bugs me more than people taking schedule into account when determining a preseason poll. It should have zero to do with how good or bad you think a team is.
If I understand these way-too-early pre-season polls correctly, they attempt to determine next years final standings correct? Why shouldn’t schedule be considered if it may affect the win/loss columns by the end of the year? When you make predictions you have to estimate with all potential variables. A tougher schedule will make it more difficult to get wins. Give FSU Boise’s schedule and I’d have them in Top 3, simply because they might make all the wins, but lose the title game if the opponent is say LSU or Bama with better talent and coaching (arguable of course).
Of course I am basing this on the assumption that voters see win – loss as the larger part of their determination.
I understand why they do it. That's not my point.
My point is, it should be a power poll. When you take schedule into account, it sort of becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and encourages the current system of playing nobodies in out of conference. When determining a preseason poll, they should determine who are the best 25 teams. As in which teams would beat the other on a neutral field. Using schedule in a preseason poll means you aren’t really ranking the 25 best teams, but are ranking in a way that would make you look the smartest 1 year from now. Which I find annoying when preseason polls have a significant effect on teams throughout the year.
See my comment about writers/credibility, etc.
Most of these guys depend on people buying into what they’re selling in order to make a living. I’d do the same thing, honestly.
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I agree with you.
It just pisses me off.
If Lane Kiffin doesn't
at least win a Pac-12 title with all the talent he has coming back, plus most of the league being down due to coaching changes or losing a ton of starters, then he should be fired.
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by Matt Champion on Jan 11, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Thats how i feel about Jimbo.
Team work make the dream work
I believe Jimbo will
get it done.
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by Matt Champion on Jan 11, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
This is his last hurrah.
Cal is nipping at his heels….They are stealing his recruits like wolves in a sheepden.
Cal is landing some very
solid players. I can see them contending for a Pac-12 title in 2013, maybe even this year.
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by Matt Champion on Jan 13, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Lane Kiffin has to deal with a very good Oregon team
Wouldn’t say its money in the bank USC has to win or else.
I agree
Oregon will still be a very good team despite losing some key pieces. Still though, the consensus around the program will be that Lane Kiffin has to get it done since Barkley passed up millions of dollars to come back for his last year. USC gets Oregon in the Coliseum this year, and generally they have done pretty well against them there.
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by Matt Champion on Jan 13, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
No official Pender officially on campus good news?
I have ulcers.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 11, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
It was supposedly already a done deal per newberg
but I’ve still been waiting for Bud’s official announcement. Classes started today I believe so he should be on campus maybe? I dunno….
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by cerebralfish on Jan 11, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Very exciting that they're actually considering changing CFB post-season
If they do change to some type of +1 or 6-8 team playoff, it just solidifies the need for smart scheduling.
All those clamoring for “great matchups” will get all they want in the post-season.
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Agreed!
Hoping they could make the playoff system as “regional” as possible as well.
Here is where the BCS bowl venues would get a workout and added revenue in the post season. Even the ones that rotate out of the championship game could still get a piece of the playoff pie.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Long way off, but
a 16-team play-off with ON CAMPUS games (until maybe Final Four), would be AWESOME. Puts tons of money into pockets of schools rather than bowl executives, plus how awesome would it be to see teams like Boise State have to travel to Tuscaloosa or Baton Rouge? Or florida have to go play at Ohio State in late December (MOAR SNOW FOOTBALL PLZ!). Force teams to put up or shut up. Love it.
by NoleFrenzy on Jan 11, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How would the 16 teams be chosen?
I think 16 teams devalues the regular season.
For example, you’d be giving 3 loss teams a one game shot at Bama & LSU (even after LSU punked them badly).
Completely unfair.
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by CornNole on Jan 11, 2012 12:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am not saying I disagree
But, is it also unfair that the Green Bay Packers won it all last year as a wildcard?
by newdynastynole on Jan 11, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
I know I am a lone voice on the subject but pro playoffs are stupid. Green Bay and the Giants winning recently as 6 seeds should be an embarssement to the sport. Phily not playing in the WS last season should be an embarssment to the sport. But, than I like to reward both the play at the beginning of the season and late in the season. Guess that is why college football and F1 are my two favorite sports.
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by TheJim on Jan 11, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
One of the reasons I am OK with it is because of the disparity between divisions on certain years. In the beginning, I was vehemently opposed to the wild card teams, but am more open due to the disparity between divisions (I.E AFC W vs AFC N)
Seeing the cardinals win the WS this year solidifies your point. It was disgusting.
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It’s what I felt about the 49ers for years. I thought they were incredibly talented & Bill Walsh is an icon in my household… But they got the Falcons and the Saints 4 times a year and the Rams were only decent half during the time they were in rest. Meanwhile NY, Washington, Dallas & Philly were killing each other.
Doesnt mean the Niners weren’t a great team… Just means they didnt play as tough a schedule which helped them out some years
In that case just let Vegas tell us who the best team, and skip the postseason altogether.
Then we’d get a true champion
by Michael Rogner on Jan 11, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
NFL teams have more games, so it’s larger sample size.
NFL standings aren’t voted on. It’s clear cut, wins/losses, tiebreakers.
Lastly, schedules are standardized, so everyone pretty much plays everyone else. It gives a much better picture of who the best teams are and aren’t.
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Preach on Corn
Do the pro playoff cats not understand there is still going to be a selection committee or bcs of some kind even with a playoff or any number besides 2 teams?
Even this year sure its easy that LSU would be the 1 seed going in but who is 2 though 4? Or what about years when there is an undefeated USCw and uf who is the top seed? Humans are still going to have to make the decisions.
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Honestly, I don't see how people don't get that.
The bottom line, as FSU has alluded to, is the FBS is too big to handle it like the NFL.
I wish that there was an objective algorithmic method in which to rank teams based on something so incredibly precise and complicated that nobody would have the balls to question it.
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Even in the pros tie breakers are arbitary
its just that they are written down and non variable they seem as they were written by Moses himself. To use the NFL as an example division record does not matter at all in determining the division winner unless there is a tie. Now all of suden it matters. MOV does not matter until it does. Scoring TD’s compared to FG’s does not matter until it does.
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"FBS is too big to handle it like the NFL."
Not if it was a 30 team Super Conference.
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"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 11, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Probably 40-50 teams, then.
Most schools wouldn’t have the budget to compete once it gets to Super Conference levels.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 11, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Money, TV Ratings, more than likely.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 11, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Most FBS don;t have the money to compete with the Top Tier schools...
SEC, USC, Notre Dame, etc. The Presidents of the schools will probably decide on whether they will join.
I think it could play itself out depending on Booster $$$.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 11, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Midget toss.
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But that is never going to happen
What team is ever going to leave the Big 10 for this? Why would they when in the non sports area the relationship they have with each other is worth around 9 to 10 figures in the form of the CIC. And that is the rub the conferences already have such strong relationships with each other that if you are in a stable conference you don’t leave.
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Any chance for some type of conditional playoff system?
Only happens when one or both of the top 2 teams are “controversial”. This year, LSU could have been given one spot in the NCG game, then let Bama and OkSt. have a play-in game.
2010, no play-in game would’ve been needed, Auburn and Oregon were clearly the top 2
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No wayyyy
It’s an interesting idea, but that would just add so, so much more controversy to everything.
Rules have got to be the same every year.
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by STAquinasNole on Jan 11, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
Think of the average sports talk caller and now try to think of him understanding this. They can’t even understand that a team with 2 losses might really be better than an undefated team or a team with 1 loss.
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Agreed Corn
I heard a guy on the radio talking about how it would only make sense to have the conference champions as the 4 playoff teams.
Makes you wonder if the “super” conferences are even closer than we all think.
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Thats a cool idea
B/C the regular season would still count a ton.
The only thing there, what happens when the best two teams in the country (or 2 of the 4) are in the same conference?
Maybe add the Big East (I know they arent good) + 1 at-large bid. And make it a 6 teamer?
Only 1 team per conference regardless of ranking
It’s the conference champions duking it out.
Would eleminate an outlier like Alabama this year from even making it…
But honestly, is there ever going to be a perfect solution? How many times do you see conferences end with the #1 and #2 teams? That was probably more fluke than normalcy.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
I disagree with the 1 team per conference. I’d rather see the best teams play. Is having #1 & #2 in the same conference unusual? Perhaps a conference having the two teams that are in the best 4 in the country potentially is MORE likely now than less likely.
Not sure if I agree with any of it yet, FSU
Just throwing an idea out there that I heard a sports host on the radio talking about yesterday morning.
Sorta makes sense… if you are in an “AQ” conference, it means you never have the chance of being shut completely out of the title run like you see now.
Win your conference, and you get a shot. That’s the idea.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
The problem with it with is expansion you are more likely now to have one league have the 1, 2, 3 or 4 best team in the same league in the same division.
Wonder if the NCAA could model after the NFL?
You’d have division leaders and a few wildcards in the mix every year.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
What do you do though... just continue with how it is?
Only real way to “fix” everything would be to blow up all the currenct conferences and start fresh.
Do a school yard lineup and pick-em type deal and just hope you aren’t one of the last 55-70 teams picked.
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I say take the top 4 in the BCS
and have a plus one. You reward regular season performance while trying to eliminate the “who SHOULD’VE been there” argument.
One extra game is easier to plan for, fans and TV wise, and doesn’t interrupt school schedule as much.
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do you add bowls
do you use the current BCS bowls as the 3 playoff games, etc
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The Orange Bowl says, "Yes, PLEASE!"
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 11, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
That's kinda what I was getting at ^^^^^^^
The super 4 conferences and 2 at large bids (if consolidation happens).
Or include the Big East as it is now to make it 5 auto-qualifiers by way of winning the conference. Make every conference have a title game. 1 at-large bid (whoever has the highest average ranking in the BCS standings).
Most importantly – no special caveats to Notre Dame in any way shape or form
With the same voting system?
You give voters enough credit not to fall victim into the records vs resume trap?
There’s the possibility that there is minimal interaction b/w the 4 best during the regular season, perhaps, but I’m inclined to think that if it’s determined by voting, other conferences will have representation simply based on the fact that the “best” conference will have teams beating one another.
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The only way I could agree with this is if 4 super conferences were formed. It wouldn’t seem fair to the other conferences otherwise. They’d be stuck and cause high conference instability.
I also heard the idea of "floating tiers"
You’d have teams 1-30 that are considered tier 1, teams 31-60 tier 2, etc and so forth.
Teams would move up and down depending on final rankings each year.
Tier 1 teams would be the ones playing for the championship with the top 4 (or whatever number) being in the final playoffs.
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That was my idea
The tiers get reevaluated every few years so there is incentive to play up. The regular season schedules would be far more competitive.
by Sabon on Jan 11, 2012 2:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed. 4 team playoff would be my pick. Allowing 16 teams to fight it out for a chance at #1 would mean a lot of potential rematches where injuries and even luck could decide a game instead of the talent and coaching that originally won them games.
It seems to me like you’d see coaches drastically altering game strategies to reduce injuries late in the season, instead of playing the best possible football every Saturday to make it into a Top 4. Of course, CJF really doesn’t see it that way (ie Wake Forest 2011).
Then again, the system that currently ranks the Top 4 is not the best method even by itself, but it eases the disappointment people currently have for the BCS system.
A 16 team playoff wouldn't work like that.
You have to read Death to the BCS by Dan Wetzel. He lays out how a 16 team playoff would work and it sounds absolutely amazing. Southern Cal at Alabama, Ohio State at Texas, Florida at Oklahoma, etc.
The Swami has spoken.
by seminole_swami on Jan 11, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Playoffs are the end of either College Football or ESPN
I just don’t see how the business model is going to work at all. There is just not enough TV money in the world that is going to make up for the lost revenue from bowl season and I am not talking about bowl payouts but donations. Atheletic departments need the donations to function and it is bowl season that brings in the bulk of this money. Why would anyone donate huge money to a school like Iowa, Arkansas, Arizona St, or other teams at this tier when there team will be lucky to make an 8 team playoff once every quarter century? There is no vacation at the end of the rainbow for these teams. The sport already is the haves and have nots but it will only get worse. That QB from Indiana for example in this new world would never think at all of going to IU because IU will never see the post season.
And before anyone says it Bowls are dead with a playoff it will just be a matter of how long they hang around. Second place games have about 1 percent value in this country.
ESPN has to be whispering these big numbers to get the discussion this far. I know they have a ton of cash on hand but the money required it just does not make sense on how they will ever see a return on it. Cable companies already are not happy they spend 4 times as much on ESPN as they do the next most expansive channel when they raise their rate to 6 dollas they will start to treat ESPN like HBO a pay channel. What adverstiser is going to drop 1.5 to 2 million every 30 seconds during christmas week games?
Someone is thinking to short term and not understanding the business model of the sport if the talks are this far.
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Great point here.
Cable companies already are not happy they spend 4 times as much on ESPN as they do the next most expansive channel when they raise their rate to 6 dollas they will start to treat ESPN like HBO a pay channel. What adverstiser is going to drop 1.5 to 2 million every 30 seconds during christmas week games?
In this economy, I do not think there will be enough demand from the end-user to make it work.
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I guess I just have a hard time understanding how one more game will completely eliminate interest in other bowl games
All you have to do is exchange 1 BCS at large bowl for the Championship game and call two others BCS bowls the brackets leading to the Championship. That’s not that much difference. Fans still love to see their teams play intrigueing matchups at fun venues.
I could be wrong, but I think Jim is referring to playoffs on a larger scale
than a plus one.
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Its not the short term its the medium and long term
Once there are 4 teams its only a matter of time to 8 teams than 12 than 16. Playoff creep has happened in all sports that use a playoff. The nature of the American viewership has shown that the oxygen leaves the room for the undercard when the main event is on.
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With how long people have been fighting for a 4 team playoff who knows how long it would take for an 8/16 team format
I agree in some respect that if the +1 leads to any kind of decline in bowl turnout then keep it at 4 teams. I dont think that would happen but that’s why you experiment and prove it.
When was the last time the NFL expanded their playoff?
The FCS playoff was capped at 16 teams from 1986-2010. But FCS also has 145 teams compared to the 120 in D-1a.
What people don’t mention about playoff creep is the ever expanding college athlethic programs. It would make no sense to keep the playoff the same size if you’ve added an additional 2 or 3 conferences.
The Swami has spoken.
by seminole_swami on Jan 11, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
1990
But in the 24 years before that the NFL expanded the playoffs 4 times and added 10 teams to the playoffs. Playoffs creep has outpaced expansion too. Before the first expansion there was 1 spot for every 7.5 teams now there is 1 spot for every 2.6 teams.
I really don’t care about FCS or D2 and their playoffs. The kids that play at that level are never going to play another down of this level of football again. No one is making a buck off their efferts. They really are in school to get an education or should be because if they think they have a future playing in the sport they are delusional.
Every round that D1 adds though is taking pro playing days off the career of the players involved. Its the players in D1 playoffs that will have the career on Sunday. So you are basically asking them to play more games for free (they already have their schoarship for playing at most 13 games so can’t even use this argument anymore) putting their bodies at risk more often all to make more money for someone else. Its not like Luck draft status is going to be anything but the 1st pick if he lost the first round game this year against Okie St. Even in the loss he showed he is the best pro prospect in the last 14 years.
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"2nd place games have about 1 percent value in this country"
That battle was lost with the creation of the BCS. The slowly declining TV ratings for the “major” bowls are bearing this out. The Rose Bowl under a 10. FSU-Notre Dame a 3.6. The Orange Bowl a 4.5? Who cares that the Orange Bowl is a long standing game with decades of tradition. It’s not much better than the Champs Sports Bowl now. It’s a couple of meh teams that aren’t involved in the national championship.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
Why does everyone seem to think that removing AQ status and conference limitations would be a good thing?
Without these restrictions, this year’s BCS games would have probably been…
Orange: Oklahoma vs South Carolina
Sugar: Arkansas vs Notre Dame
Fiesta: Michigan vs Oklahoma State
Rose: Oregon vs Wisconsin
NC: LSU vs Alabama
No AQ's
This is how I am 98 percent sure it will end up as.
Orange still has ACC tie in
Sugar still has SEC tie in
Fiesta still has Big 12 tie in
Rose still Big 10 and Pac 10 tie in
I could see the Orange taking the Big 10 second place team as a tie in that why they never get screwed again with a Big East team. Say Big 10 here because they probably would have the slight edge over the SEC but either works.
The Fiesta and Sugar will probably want to keep it open for good matchups and neither has suffered like the Orange with being stuck with the Big East.
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So the bowls can choose to take whomever they like?
If there are no AQ’s?
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Yes*
*Of course depending on the final form all these talks take.
I am assuming the plus 1 will be the bowl weekend than 1 v 2 after the bowls. If it ends up being a stright 4 team playoff I am not sure how it will work out and will need to see the actual proposal to have any idea.
It will be up to the bowls to sign there own agreements. So I expect them to keep there current tie ins (Sugar SEC, Orange ACC etc). The orange can than either sign a deal with the Big 10/SEC for their 2nd place team or keep it open and make a bid for say ND one year than the next the Pac 2nd place team.
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That looks alot like the 1980s.
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— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 11, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
The bowls would just select the teams who would bring the most fans.
So established Big Ten and SEC teams (+Notre Dame) would always be their top choices regardless of records or resumes.
Exactly.
The Big Ten, SEC, Notre Dame, USC and FSU Bowl games are the highest rated bowl games anyways, right?
Give the people what they want.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 11, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
This
Every year the Sugar/Orange/Fiesta bowls cry once Michigan or ND gets their 3rd loss. The cap one and outback cry when UM gets loss 4 and on down the line.
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Disagree
I think the bowls should be merit based. It may be naive, but I like that ND doesnt just get to go to one of the best bowls because they sell tickets.
"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum
Disagree about what?
I am not making any argument nor is Pasadenanole or MattD on the rightness or wrongness of the system just that is how the system works. The bowls take the best traveling and TV friendly team they can get away with taking. Say in a hyphotical world WF plays every team in the top 10 and goes 11-1 and ND plays Boise scedule and goes 11-1 lossing the only real game they play and both are at large teams the bowls will be lining up to give ND a slot while WF gets dropped down to the Champs who are forced to take them.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
Well, the Sugar got their Wolverines this year
and it got them the lowest rated Sugar Bowl in history and a non-sellout.
Regular season ratings are up, the NFL smashes records weekly and yearly. The only thing suffering is the bowl system. Congrats. You found a way to make football less popular in America. Regardless of the money ESPN offered, the fact that the Rose Bowl is on cable television is a blow. The farking Liberty Bowl was on ABC. January 1st is ruined, and even worse when they choose to play the games Monday instead of Saturday the 31st.
Everyone knows this system is a load of crap, so the only people watching and attending anymore come December-January are the hardcore fans. I’m just glad the casual fans finally caught up to this realization, since it forced Delany, Scott and the Rose Bowl to the table for a +1. Let the slippery slope begin.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
What a well-reasoned and rational argument.
“Everybody knows this system is a load of crap.”
Oh. I guess we should stop talking then.
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And if they are going to go to a +1 model with 2 of the BCS bowls being semi-finals and the regular national championship game, I would like to see a fifth BCS bowl (the Cotton Bowl makes the most sense) so that 10 teams still make the BCS games.
It would be really interesting to see if the respective cities got involved with this.
I can see Dallas (Cotton), Atlanta (CFA), Orlando (Citrus) all lobbying for this idea to come to fruition.
Based on payout only, the Cotton Bowl makes the most sense by far.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
The Cotton got a raw deal this year with Penn State.
They would make you one of their ambassadors CornNole, if that could happen.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 11, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I just realized I've only been commenting about one of the topics listed above. I should talk about basketball.
Fire Hamilton.
Please.
The end.
by MattDNole on Jan 11, 2012 2:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
timelitude
I’ll be putting up an article on that very topic tonight
by Michael Rogner on Jan 11, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
SIAP
DC Reeves free podcast said Rhodes will miss the spring bc of knee injury :(
Yeah he will not be in spring
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When does Spring practice start?
And when is the Spring game?
by FullTimeNole on Jan 11, 2012 7:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This could turn into good news if the knee injury heals as planned.
I know you people who go to the Spring game want to see Rhodes, but I think having a CB battle this spring will be huge for the defense next year.
Gotta find a replacement for Rhodes sometime.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 11, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
never a good thing to have Rhodes miss time with an injury
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That stinks but at least he's proven
Shouldnt affect his play much, but it will give more reps to the back-ups…
by FullTimeNole on Jan 11, 2012 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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