Florida State vs North Carolina preview and game thread
by Michael Rogner on Jan 14, 2012 11:45 AM EST
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PrintFor the first time in program history the ESPN Gameday crew is in town. This is great for the University, for the basketball program, and even for the football program which is hosting a huge recruiting weekend.
Florida State (10-6, 1-1) takes on UNC (15-2, 2-0). Last year this game ended with Harrison Barnes knocking down a three in the closing seconds to beat FSU. Michael Snaer has repeatedly said he's thought about that shot every day since it happened. But this is a new team, and a new year. Florida State is still searching for a signature win, and this is the only shot they get at North Carolina.
The Tar Heels come to town winners of 9 straight. All nine of those have been at home. In fact UNC has only played three true road games and lost two. There's a reason big time programs don't go on the road in out of conference play. Still, UNC is the favorite for a reason. On their roster they have eight consensus top-25 recruits. That's as many as the rest of the conference combined. Florida State has had three in the 12 years for which consensus rankings are available. UNC starts the game with that many on the bench. This is arguably the most talented team in the nation. Anything short of the #1 seed in the ACC Tournament, a #1 seed in the NCAA Tournament and Final Four appearance should be considered a disappointment.
When UNC has the ball it's a matchup of strength on strength. UNC has the 10th best offense* in the nation, and FSU has the 8th best defense. The Tar Heels have the 2nd fastest tempo in the country and their offense is fueled by fast breaks and secondary breaks. If they're shooting before 8 seconds have elapsed off the shot clock then FSU is in trouble. They're not a great shooting team, but they're among the best at creating more possessions than the other team. They don't turn the ball over (10th nationally) and they're relentless on the offensive glass (10th). They have the best frontcourt in the nation. Tyler Zeller and John Henson are both elite rebounders who shoot 54% on their 2s. Harrison Barnes scores mostly off jump shots and has eliminated his weakness from last year (3-pt shooting), and now is shooting 46% from beyond the arc. In the backcourt Kendall Marshall has the 4th best assist rate in the nation, and Dexter Strickland is an All ACC caliber defender. When they go to the bench they bring in Reggie Bullock, PJ Hairston and James McAdoo (sore ankle), all consensus top-15 recruits who present serious matchup problems.
[*note - ESPN and the rest of the media will repeatedly tell you that UNC has the best offense in the nation. But they don't. In basketball you have to correct for tempo. It's not how many points you score, it's how many you score per possession. UNC scores 86.9 a game. Michigan State scores 76.8. If you think that makes UNCs offense better then I have some land to sell you.....and if you think UNCs defense is average because they are 150th in points allowed, then please call me right now about said land....We're not lazy at Tomahawk Nation. We present data that matters.]
When FSU has the ball it's a matchup of strength on weakness. UNC has the 6th best defense in the nation, while FSU's offense is ranked 167th. UNC allows the fewest free throw attempts in the country. They're 20th at preventing offensive boards and their defensive eFG% is 28th. Their weakness is their failure to force turnovers. And they have Kendall Marshall, who any guard in the ACC should be able to attack.
So how can FSU win this game? To start, they have to play inspired defense. Without a great defensive effort this is a game that the Noles simply can't win. That likely means a score somewhere in the neighborhood of last year's game in Tallahassee (72-70). On offense FSU needs to challenge UNCs intimidating front line. They aren't used to being challenged. But this doesn't mean dumping the ball into the post in half court sets. FSU needs to spread the floor, most likely with four players outside the 3-pt line. They need to use ball reversals and screens to be able to penetrate the defense off the dribble. Once the defense is collapsing good things can happen. And FSU simply has to knock down some 3s. The Noles are 289th in the nation. Making 33% or more of their attempts would be considered a success.
The game tips at 2pm on ESPN from the Donald L Tucker Center. Florida State opened an 8-point dog, but the line has since moved to UNC -6.5. Pomeroy has UNC -6.
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"For the first time in program history the ESPN Gameday crew is in town. This is great for the University, for the basketball program, and even for the football program which is hosting a huge recruiting weekend."
Fire Coach Ham?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Digger gave us a little love and picked us in the upset!
Even after we beat his beloved Notre Dame in Orlando. Everybody else picked UNC. I can’t wait for tipoff!
PS: Very nice write up, Michael.
Earlier, I promised the team that, if
they win this game, I will forgive them for the loss to Princeton, the loss to Harvard, the missed free throws against UConn, the lackadasical effort at Clemson and the lack of good jobs in this country.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
by GoNolzOhio on Jan 14, 2012 12:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sorry, but I still find all of the above unforgiven....win or lose today.
I think the poor effort against UF should be included.
Cant wait for Feb 1st, and thats not because we’re playing GaTech.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 14, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
lol
national signing day is one crazy day around here, thats for sure
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
ESPN sucks. Seriously. We're the GAMEDAY game, and they won't cut into this Kentucky game?
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Hope it's done by the time we tip.
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Tipping off in 15 minutes
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 14, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
we're looking good - 8 more minutes to run 1.28 of clock in a 6 pt game
if ut starts fouling early we could be in time trouble, but…
Still think we're looking good?
ESPN3 it is.
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not so much
i didnt anticipate the missed ft and the made threes…
Me either.
Cut it close, but it wasn’t too terrible a delay.
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it starts on ESPN3 if this one isnt over
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
cough kentucky is a much bigger draw cough
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Than UNC?
Doubtful.
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You obviously dont look at ratings...
only slightly more than UNC. but people will watch UK just to see them lose
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Just trying to figure out what ratings you're looking at.
Because the only one I see them leading in is average attendance. Which has little to do with TV ratings.
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Louisville, Ky has a significantly higher NCAA BB rating than anywhere in NC
This is from a year when UNC won the NC. Lousiville/Kentucky still had a higher rating. Hard to say its UK only, but not any different than trying to separate UNC/Duke ratings in NC.
I think I could call it a wash. But I’ll check the Neilson ratings next week. Maybe both games will make it on.
Either way, I think UK/UNC have 2 of the largest draws in CBB
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting. I knew Kentucky had a huge draw, but didn't realize it was that big.
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I am biased being a lifelong UK fan but
Traveling as much as I do I see UKs brand is all over the place. Their BB ratings rival some CFB team ratings. Its ridiculous.
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
$6.2 million in profits in 2011 for UK basketball.
For reference, Louisville $27.5, Duke $15, UNC $13. Someone really needs to handle their marketing better.
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Louisville is big time. I don’t want to get in the realignment haze again.. But they were seriously looked at in SEC expansion.
I guess with that kind of money coming in....
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
$10 million in profits for the football team late year.
And yes, Louisville’s basketball team was $10 million dollars more profitable than our football team last year.
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speaking of lousiville
The YUM Center is nearly empty for their game today. lost the last few home conference games….
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
That I agree with
They are complacent with having a big fan base, but dont make any money off of it. Louisville just built a huge new arena. Arguably the bet modern arena in CBB, and they rake in the advertising dollars
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Basketball:Kentucky::Football:Alabama
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
That being said
my cats ground out that win
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
who is excited for this game? THIS GUY.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
who thinks we have about a 30% chance of pulling it off? YEP, SAME GUY.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
who is going to watch the whole game anyway, if possible, because he is apparently a glutton for punishment?
sadly, still me.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
im guessing they wont lose today
unless alabi is allowed to be guest tipper…
still starting Gibson and James together
didnt we already decide that was a bad idea weeks ago?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
well done Loucks
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
and we're out of the blocks with a beautiful Dulkys 3
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Loving the intensity.
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HOLY SCHNIKIES
if i told you the first 2 possessions would be 2 FSU 3’s and 2 UNC TO’s, you would have rightfully laughed at me.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
please don't fall in love w/ the three this game
we’re not going to win that way..
make it 2 3's for Loucks
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
and another TO and foul by UNC
this is just strange
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
WOW. Keep it up guys.
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MRogner suggested we need to hit some threes today.
check on that one
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
ANOTHER TO by UNC
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Dulkys is FEELIN IT
thanks Vitale. now shut up.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
confidence, he haz it
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
ive always thought we play our best against duke at home
i can’t recall us beating unc at home (although two heartbreaking losses come to mind)
nice
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
wait, did Vitale just say that *we* would have trouble matching size with UNC?
he has seen our roster, right?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
i want to hate on relying on threes
but since we’re banging, em, LIGHT EM UP!
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
hit em until they close on all 3 pt attempts, and then hit the open man underneath
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Good start.
Can’t maintain, so we gotta lock up defensively and be smart offensively. I realize the latter is not going to happen in all reality.
thank them for the money they spent on tickets and hotels in Tallahassee
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
i don’t like how tight the game is being called this early
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
worst sentence in posting history
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
he's been telegraphing. probably just needs to shoot today
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
if he isnt distributing, who is?
certainly isnt “Hey there’s an open shot, I should take it” Miller
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
YET ANOTHER UNC TO
did Roy tell them to take the last few practices off?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
are their hands or brains injured?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
fair enough
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
so they all play like Gibson?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
i think that reference may be too old for a lot of this audience
but i LOLd
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
x w / a nice box out and board -
nice to see some fundamentals from the big man…
t zeller is a great post player...
we need kreft to muscle him w/out fouling..
ya think? thats 2 blocks on consecutive possessions
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
what?
Am I the meanest? Am I the prettiest? Am I the baddest mofo low down around this town? Well who am I? Who am I?
I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 14, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
lol sorry man... no live feed of the game here.
and that was kind of funny
Am I the meanest? Am I the prettiest? Am I the baddest mofo low down around this town? Well who am I? Who am I?
I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 14, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
where are you that you dont have ESPN3?
for that matter, i assume there is an illegal stream everywhere
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Amsterdam...
going to red light district now, and for one of the first times in my life an FSU sporting event doesn’t take precedence…
GO NOLES.
fixed the bad juju
Am I the meanest? Am I the prettiest? Am I the baddest mofo low down around this town? Well who am I? Who am I?
I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 14, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
OH YEAAAAA
Am I the meanest? Am I the prettiest? Am I the baddest mofo low down around this town? Well who am I? Who am I?
I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 14, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
on the replay, that was a charge
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
they got football refs for this one
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
bwahahahahahahaha
Vitale just compared UNC to Notre Dame football. maybe 30 years ago there, Dick.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
that looks a lot more like us
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
white gets blocked twice in a row on layups after great passes by l loucks
we needed one of them…
Crazy pace
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 14, 2012 2:28 PM EST reply actions
best answer about MLK ive seen this week
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
ok. anybody notice everyone says Dr. King when talking about MLK
but nobody says Dr. Paul for Ron Paul, who is an MD? not a Ron Paul fan, just thought that happens a lot, where the guy with the doctoral degree is more likely to be called Dr. than an actual doctor, unless he is acting as a doctor at the time. thoughts? maybe save that one for the next commercial break
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
hilarious recognition
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
no one in politics gets called 'dr'
although many have phds, its just never used…
i mean casually
its typically either Congressman Paul when using it in proper context (like debates and the like), but hardly anybody says Dr., while most people will say MLK or Dr. King. just a thought.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
brought a couple hundred babies into the world at the very least..
Am I the meanest? Am I the prettiest? Am I the baddest mofo low down around this town? Well who am I? Who am I?
I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 14, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
dude, irrelevant and inflammatory
this is not about respect, its about using the title of doctor.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
thats not why
i think it has more to do with people with a doctoral degree feeling like they arent respected enough for that degree (or someone thinking it for them) and making sure you use it, whereas medical doctors already know you respect them.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I agree with this.
I’ve always thought it was just a respect issue.
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the irony? nobody respects Congressmen for the most part
you would think that would be the appropriate time to accentuate that “Dr.”
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
is it in an interview when they mention him being a doctor?
or perhaps by his supporters, in an attempt to make him look more respectable? thats my point. it all comes down to relevance or respect.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Usually when they're talking about him
But I don’t watch Fox News which has a bias against him.
The Funk Phenomenon.
i dont watch it either, prefer to get my news in print online
Fox has nothing to do with my experience
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
t zeller looks motivated today
it would help our cause if he was listless…
First game I've watched all season
I heard UNC was a hard team… wat?
In Jimbo, We Trust.
Gator brains are about the size of a walnut. Scientifically proven.
by NolefromPA on Jan 14, 2012 2:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
theyre supremely talented - likely the most talented in teh country
but their problems are leadership and intensity…
they lack in both categories at times…
Skilled, Talented but soft… They’re intensity usually picks up during tournament settings as per Roy Williams teams
they really lack a vocal leader
henson, barnes zeller are their best players/upperclassmen and all are quiet reserved types – no one will bark at a teammate or lead during critical times…
Disagree. I think he’s a good leader. Just one dimensional in that he’s a pass first, second & third guy and he doesnt move laterally well vs. quicker guards
9.9 APG? i will take that in a PG any day of the week
and if anyone on the court can afford to be slow laterally, its the PG
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
by leadership i mean a lot more than his d or stats
i mean his overall ability to get his team up – to earn the respect of his teammates and to generally organize the team
did you see the last posession against uk?
zero on-court leadership
Bad foul
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by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 14, 2012 2:33 PM EST reply actions
Can you be an NBA ref and NCAA ref at the same time?
One of those refs is Sean Corbin, and I’ve seen him in the NBA.
makeup goaltending call?
nope it was actually on the way down. they still owe us one
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
White is killing me on the Offensive end
I want him to excel so badly.
i just figured out why we look like crap on offense
we practice 3’s til their hands bleed. also, like the Nash comparison to Dulkys – only thing they have in common is being white, Dulkys is nowhere near the distributor and team leader that Nash is.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Crowd energy, Game Day being there, UNC is favorable matchup because FSU matches up athletically & Ham knows how to defend Secondary Break Options very well.
plus, Dulkys has 16 points already
sometimes, it just may be your day for the gods to shine on you
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
This officiating is the only thing preventing a twenty point lead right now.
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
how so? seems fair to me
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
not one over the back on our entry passes
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
eh, thats minor
they seem to be at least above average. people are human and make mistakes, but they dont seem that bad to me
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
my goodness, James is taking the game personally now
last 2 games, he is INTENSE under the basket on rebounds and putback dunks
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
white needs to go strong and get fouled one time
theyre teeing off on his weak shit…
UNC fell to a hot shooting team in UNLV
and a strong defense showing by UK.
Look like FSU may just have both going for them
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 2:41 PM EST reply actions
God I hope so
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 14, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah, they all talked about it
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
LOL at Obama ad against Santorum, as though he is a serious contender
waste of money there, pal. makes you look weak that you dont attack the frontrunner, and instead take the easy target.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
something about he knows 4 things about Santorum
included voting for pork, like a tea pot museum, bridge to nowhere, etc.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
why? its not an opinion, its a fact
facts arent (or at least shouldnt be) controversial. that, and it insulted both sides equally.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
not a good place to bring up political discussions
regardless of whom you insult…
fair enough, moving on
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
way to go James
dont take the over the back like a bitch, let him know who the grown man is
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
not Kreft!!!!!
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
somebody needs to run through Zeller and draw the foul
keep him off the court, he is the only thing between us and the hoop
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
kreft w/ a brantley pass
right into henson’s chest…
Loucks...
…does some good things, but far too many brain-dead things for a senior point guard. Although that’s on Hamilton for deciding to have a lengthy conversation in the back-court like its a timeout or something.
Nice steal by Kreft
redemption for that pass
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 14, 2012 2:52 PM EST reply actions
whooooooooooooooooooooooooooo was that?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
ok, now THAT was a terrible call
whoever said the refs were bad has one there
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
FSU is one of the few teams in the ACC...
that makes UNC go away from their Secondary Break & Box Shuffle stuff and forces them to go to the Freelance Passing game early.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 14, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions
Shaq! nice guy. talked to him a couple times when he played for the Cavs
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well, he was very approachable while he was here in Cleveland.
I should have put it that way.
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Ok ok. Yeah. He is approachable. Not stuck up or anything. He’s just done some bad things in the name of business
I mean, I must say, I was impressed
I knew the owner of the nightclub a bunch of the Cavs hung out at. I would see him there talking for quite a while with people coming up to him. Never really shooed anyone away or anything.
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age has a tendency to soften guys up
they demand respect when they are new, but once they get it, they tend to be more personable. the old lawyers i worked for were almost always nice guys, but the younger ones are all jerks.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
nice d
vitale is so annoying – wont give us any credit…
Loucks wtf
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 14, 2012 2:58 PM EST reply actions
Are you serious, Loucks?
Dulkys standing over there open waiting for pass.
I can only hope that sometime this season it dawns on Loucks that his role on this team is not to make highlight reel plays and passes, but to just to consistently make routine plays without turning them into “do they even practice offense” moments.
at least he is attempting to carry the team
it isnt always pretty, but i appreciate the effort from the senior to be a leader. just has to learn where to draw the line. but for him, is it worth it to do that? there isnt a future in basketball for him, in all likelihood, so this is his last 2 months on the court in his playing career.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
was a block though
I do agree he should have jump stopped and got it to DD
only as a 2nd round pick
based solely on potential due to his improvements thus far
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I suppose his on ball D will get him a look
but the rest of his game isn’t NBA
his shooting has improved dramatically since rebuilding his shooting motion
that steep curve alone shows the potential to be a solid NBA bench player, and get him major minutes on a bad team
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Typical Hyde performance
From Jekyll and Hyde Seminoles
Only the refs and our inevitable turnovers keeping UNC in the game.
the officiating keeps me thinking we are playing Duke
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
NC seems to always be this way with the refs also
I can’t even get upset about it anymore
Seriously.
I know we’re in the North Carolina-teams conference. But someone should tell these refs that if they’re going to bias, it should be for the HOME team.
as always, FSU with the calm perspective
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I'm perfectly calm, dude
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
not that you arent
just that she is always calm and fair about her assessments. this one was no different
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
NC is not really a good BB team
Just really talented. they don’t play D other than Zeller and make dumb decisions
Strickland guards. In their defense, they are knicked up. But they have very talented but have several flaws. Carolina’s still a top 5 team though
the talent alone makes them top 10
I’ve always thought Williams was overrated as a coach. just a great recruiter.
I disagree. He’s actually very good at recruiting, organizing and implementing a system. He is however very system stubborn so less likely to make changes with it during games. He’s more a this is what we do and you gotta stop it and the talent that runs it
sounds like Kentucky
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I know
We should be up double digits given our shooting vs. there’s
We were sloppy with the ball, but so were they.
Really could have used the 10 or more points FSU left on the floor with flat out silly plays. Then again, special thanks to Henson for being incompetent from the FT line and helping FSU out.
If Loucks wouldn't turn the ball over so much we may be up a lot more
Does anyone know if the name on his birth certificate really says “turnover” on it or not. Cause if it dosent it should read as such.
by NOLEisticscience on Jan 14, 2012 3:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
holy crap he had 6 turnovers by himself in the first half
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Michael - Am I being emotional about the zebras
Or do I have a valid point.
Is there a statistical means of tracking ref bias?
There should be.
UNC gets callled for the fewest fouls in the nation.
Not sure what that means.
by Michael Rogner on Jan 14, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think UNC fouls "smarter"
James got fouled on his dunk but it was a hard shove to the waist. On his foul he took both hands and shoved their guy in the chest. Duke is also great at sneaky fouls
oh, there are. just ask any of the wise guys in Vegas.
they knew before anyone else that tgere was something off with that Donague ref in the NBA
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1st half was horrible both ways. I'd say it favored UNC overall though
by Michael Rogner on Jan 14, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
maybe they were exhausted running up and down the court all half?
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At what point does the Big 10 change the name?
Because incorporating “10” in the logo with 12 teams now is just silly
Big XII owns the rights to everything between 12 and 16, IIRC.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
maybe they should start purging teams that dont improve the brand
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
i dunno, goodbye to Minnesota and Northwestern, and that makes for a fantastic 10 team league
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
yep. i would have passed on the Cuse if not for their basketball prowess, NY market and all
not concerned about markets as much as teams and total land mass. nobody lives in NC other than Charlotte, but the ACC owns the entire state because of the good teams. if you play well, people watch, so long as your footprint is reasonably close to them.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Best logo suggestion I saw last year when they were debating it
was on Mgoblog, I think.
Just said “Big Ten” in big blue letters. Underneath it, it said “Yes, we now have 12 teams. Go * yourself.”
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Hahaha Mai Kai
Went there last Friday with a few other pillars of the community and the rum barrels f’in crushed me. Could barely walk out of that joint. And it was like 7:30.
by NoleSoulPole on Jan 14, 2012 3:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
whoa, killer sound effects
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
great follow up to start the half
thats what we need if we are going to shoot from outside
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Learning
To focus on what this team IS
And ignoring what its NOT.
Much more satisfying!
by Nole'D on Jan 14, 2012 3:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
yes. fewer fouls please
but, man alive, they are turning the ball over like we do
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absolutely
unc is really hurting themselves;
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
dont get it. the kid has leaping ability.
he’s gotta learn how to finish
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uh, yeah
what she said; i guess
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Happy wife, happy life.
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by shonole on Jan 14, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Give her a Hot Pocket
All ya gotta do is get 'em.
by noleinjax on Jan 14, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
restaurant with TVs
my plan unless this game is over when we leave by 4.
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23. WOW.
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Moar pointz pleez
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vitale refuses to give us any credit for anything
its all unc playing poorly -
what a dick
now that is a lovely shot
williams standing there dumbfounded. WARCHANT going on!!
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dulkys is getting his mail in the zone
(he lives there)
Fiance is calling Dick, dick from the other room
and she is not calling him by name. I love her.
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Congrats.
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Dulkys, finally, with a smile!
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
refs trying to keep this one close for the heels...
horrible call…
That foul was horse crap.
Huh, the ball is going to land short. Better blow my whistle.
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all ball on the beautiful block by Dulkys
refs reaching for a foul there
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
and how was that not a goaltend?
the ball bounced high on the rim, and somebody grabbed the rim when it came down
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
b james = already a grown ass man,.
Dont Worry, about a thing. Every little thing, is gonna be alright.
loucks w/ his best curly neal immitation...
—> turnover
kreft and gibson are both playing tough d
w/out fouling…
if peterson is hitting threes
it may be our day…
Was it 03 or 04 we came back from down 20+ at the half?
Was at that game….this one might be more fun to have been at.
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now this looks like a late round tournament team
where have they been?
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 3:38 PM EST reply actions
VItale cannot believe it
no, really, he is wearing Carolina blue today. he is seriously shocked and disappointed. he cant help but talk about how garbage Dulkys has been all year, every time he drains another 3. yeah, we are getting a Scott Wood day out of him, but come on Dicky V.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
im just as surprised as you are (look up to the top)
but he is insufferable
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Thank you Tallahassee Ford.
For killing that Tebow commercial.
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You don't like overrated preachy Gator quarterbacks?
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1-0 in playoffs; with his arm
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
Maybe the Flambeau article
was intentional bulletin board fodder?
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
by SalmonNole on Jan 14, 2012 3:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Is the Flambeau still a Правда wannabe?
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Unbelievable
Dulkys has been amazing.
by madridbend on Jan 14, 2012 3:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Are we really this good?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
heheheh. No.
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haha, no
only if we can count on Dulkys to do this every week
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
no
But we are that good today!
by nolesdude on Jan 14, 2012 3:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
doubt it
but we do have this much potential; unc has hurt themselves, but the lock down d has kept them from overcoming mistakes;
home crowd, one of the best i’ve seen on tv this year, has been an asset too
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
great job of attacking the press -
kreft going strong
i smell some football commitments this weekend...
this kind of excitement, and then to pull out this performance? yeah, somebody is biting.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Hahaha. Nattylite kicked off the thread with it.
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ill bet t zeller can hear in radar
(he’s got big ears)
I'm at the lake, enjoying Mother Nature's fine offerings and just checked the score.
Is my ESPN app jacked up?
by FullTimeNole on Jan 14, 2012 3:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Beautiful!
Sustain that lead Noles!
by FullTimeNole on Jan 14, 2012 3:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's a rec.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
So we're up 70–44
and there is 9:33 left
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per Bill James lead calculator
the lead is 96% safe
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I remember when LSU let Kentucky came back and win ...
from a 30 point deficit. I think it is still the biggest come back in the history of the NCAA.
Very painful ...
Loved LSU growing up … both of my parents graduated from there.
'i was worried about losing - but when i looked down adn saw dale brown...
i knew we had a chance…’
smart pullback
but we can’t start getting relaxed and burn clock
keep attacking…
prolly dumb question but are we in the second half of the game
i just started watching it
Come on, guys
Keep putting that hammer down and use this as a launching pad to play well the rest of the season.
dulkys is 11 of 13 from the floor. mostly from 3-land
that is insane
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I just got home and put this on, wow, and I am sure somewhere its been mentioned but to happen on a visitation weekend
I hope they are at the game, but campus will be nice for them to experience today!/
GO NOLES BBALL
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Word is, most of the recruits are there.
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that is fucking awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got home and checked the score and had to stare and then come here to make sure I wasnt missing something or had ingested LSD or something
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Oh, Forgot about this forum. I am sorry for cursing.
Please delete the comment. I just got excited and forgot which forum i was on. Sorry mods, whoever :(
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talk about playing your asses of at the right time
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Oh, great. Vitale and talking Tebow
Who doesn’t want to hear that combination?
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we arent THAT good today
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
A few more made shots here and there, and we could have easily hit it.
At this rate, I see us breaking 90.
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90!
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Looks good. Very active.
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In other words
This game is a gift from god. So hes telling us its our time again to rise. And then the world will end on Dec 21
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Hahaha.
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seriously, I cant believe what I am seeing from that crazy lithuanian
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What was the spread in this game?
We lost to a few schools for the blind and do this to the #3 team. thats our FSU!
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Dulkys
The three-point shooter Hamilton recruited four years ago finally arrives!
any chance this confidence carries over with him? i've always been a huge fan
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What's sad is that this game has somehow managed to piss me off.
FSU basketball can’t win when it comes to me I guess.
You need a drink. Or something.
Because this is one of those wins you relish.
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This game is epic
just enjoy it
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by SteadfastNole on Jan 14, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Because FSU can beat UNC by 30,
yet lose to princeton and get spanked by Clemson. This inconsistency is maddening.
I can agree with this.
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just telling my wife
how frustrating it is to see flashes of what this offense is capable of, yet hardly get to witness it
but i couldn’t be farther from you; i’m loving this one
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
I guess we’re giving some D to UNC then
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by SteadfastNole on Jan 14, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
1 man wrecking crew
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Is anyone else noticing Vitale refuses to give us a compliment? Everything is how Unc is not doing this or that. How can he be blind to this performance!!
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He's been very complimentary of Dulkys.
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The #3 team in the country is getting ripped to shreds by a team that was blown out by Clemson one week ago. It really isn’t surprising that Vitale is focusing on UNC’s performance and poor effort. FSU needs to take this game and play this way the rest of the season – and then the story will be about how good FSU is.
Sorry Nole07 :/ ..
Didnt see your post above about dickyV. Still cant believe he’s a hater.
by Nole'D on Jan 14, 2012 4:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Any idea where Dulkys will go in the 2012 draft?
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what is the FSU record for 3s?
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For Michael Rogner:
In the piece where you defended Hamilton, you said something about FSU’s offense not likely to improve much this season…
….thank you for reversing the curse with your apathetic words. It did the trick. ;)
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Were we not...
…in the NCAA tournament the last 3 years?
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hope its not 8, cause our boy just went out
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
DON'T RUSH THE FLOOR!!!!!!!!!!
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
How many times
do we have to beat UNC/Duke at home in order to stop court rushes? Its getting fairly frequent
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
roger this /\
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
Definitely.
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It's part of our tradition?
/Clemson’d.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
Absolutely. Rush it as many times as you want.
Who cares if we rush the court. It’s not like we do it THAT often.
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Overrated!
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Game is unbelievable ... but
I would take UNC -10 right now for the re-match.
Me too. Just like hearing the chant.
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one quick question...
who is this team that is playing against UNC…?
…back to you Norcal
Thanks for inviting me out today. I really needed some time to stop worrying about my love life.
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by El Soro on Jan 14, 2012 4:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
DUUUUULLLLKKKKKYYYYYYYYSSSSS!!!!!
Man I miss hearing that in person…
What a game!!!!
If only we could make this a habit….
by fsunole23 on Jan 14, 2012 4:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
apparently, it was at Hamilton's request. so strike my comment
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
Classy move.
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What so Roy leaves his walkons out there to die?
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 4:12 PM EST reply actions
RETREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
twitter of random stuff and tons of confessing FSU love http://twitter.com/caine115
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wish they wouldn't
but at least it shows we care some about basketball.
by ACC_Apologist on Jan 14, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
These days its done for about every big win. As long as it is done as safely as possible and without people acting like jerks to the opposing team, I don’t mind it. Let them have their fun and hopefully the fans take the good feeling and show up for the next game.
I agree. we gotta remember, it is a bunch of college kids. a lot of them who probably
were not at the last one. let em have their fun
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
by GoNolzOhio on Jan 14, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There are very few teams where its is absolutely unacceptable for the fans to rush the court
FSU isn’t one of them. Maybe they’ll get there one day
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Vitale got his picture.
….hope he has DirecTV to freeze frame it.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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was thinking the same thing. Camera guy only knows his own equipment
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
....knowing your own equipment.
It’s important when you’re not married.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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by fsutampaguy on Jan 14, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yea for being a camera man, that dude didn’t know wtf he was doing with that camera phone
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Jan 14, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
We play at Duke in a week.
….call it a back to earth game?
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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we’ve won at cameron before. Against much better duke teams
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Jan 14, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Savor the atmosphere recruits?
Commit!!!
by FullTimeNole on Jan 14, 2012 4:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
tell me all the recruits went to the game!?!
by LetsGoNoles on Jan 14, 2012 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure
It something to do while visiting the school, plus the media factors present…
by FullTimeNole on Jan 14, 2012 4:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jimbo...
…that’s how you beat a team that’s favored. Take notes.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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so it's Werner's fault?
Basically hope that the European you recruited goes insane and wins the game almost by himself?
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
90-57
33 points over Number 3
Now that is what we call a JOHN HANCOCK where I grew up (after leaving Tally)
Or in my later years:
Flawless Victory.
So... Fire Coach Ham right?
Sorry, new to the basketball discussions.
Just wondering if sentiment carries over, even after big wins.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
It will
I don’t want to fire Ham (because I think he’s good for how little we poor into the team), but this game is kind of a fluke. If DD can go off for 30 points, I think we can beat anyone. But no one else played particularly great on O. And DD’s game was probably more fluke than process.
We had like 4 players in double figures
Okaro White had a double double and Bernard James was thiiiiis close to a double double as well.
And this isn’t Hamilton’s first win against top competition. Remember, even if Dulkys doesn’t score at all we still win with this offensive production and elite defense.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 14, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think we're better than the team that lost to Princeton
but I don’t think we’re as good as a team that beat UNC by 30, either.
Plus, I don’t think it’s fair to say that we won by more than DD scored, so therefore we would have won without him blowing up. Games don’t work that way.
Of course not
but our defense was stout even when he wasn’t in, and we had good production from several players not name Dulkys.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 14, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
As long as we score Ham is safe apparently
But if we consistently win 55-50, his job is in trouble.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 14, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
where can I watch a replay? :(
I fell asleep and missed everything! I want to see Gameday as well :( Anyone know?
ESPN3 usually has replays up fairly quickly
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 14, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting to note
DD’s 32 points didn’t even make the difference. THAT’s how well our team played!
by EngineerNole on Jan 14, 2012 4:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
But is he hadn't done that....
we probably don’t have momentum and probably don’t win.
All ya gotta do is get 'em.
plus you add in 4 steals, 4 assists
and a beauty of a block (not counting the block that was called a foul).
I know that!!!
DUH. Of course with DD we lose, BUT that’s why I said points! His POINTS didn’t make the difference. It was not a shot at DD at all.
by EngineerNole on Jan 14, 2012 4:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Postgame quote from Roy Williams: “Princeton’s defense must be a hell of a lot better than ours if they can hold them to 10 points in a half and we gave up eight thousand.”
by whodoes on Jan 14, 2012 4:43 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Nope. You forget Kennedy had some squads (Sura, Ward, Dobard, Cassell, etc). Hugh Durham had some teams too (Was in Nat’l title hunt)
No, still not close
Beating Minnesota, Kentucky, N. Carolina back to back to back before the championship game with UCLA in ’72…to name just 3 gmes in one year. There have been plenty of great games played, and won, by FSU over the years against great teams.
I know this could be considered OLD but...
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Went back and watched espn3 replay and dulky’s had an awesome night. At the end you could tell he was really happy and emotional beneath the subdued exterior. Vitale wanting a picture was funny too. Never seen a FSU rush the court moment either so that was quite nice.
I've seen too many of them
We’ve been to the dance three years straight now, with a 4th looking pretty likely. I just feel like we should be above that at this point.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
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