Noles dismantle the Tar Heels, 90-57
by Michael Rogner on Jan 14, 2012 4:53 PM EST
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PrintWith ESPN Gameday in town, Dick Vitale at the mic, and a large football recruiting class on hand, the Seminoles rolled the #3 North Carolina Tar Heels 90-57. It was the largest margin of defeat in Roy Williams' UNC tenure. It was not only their worst offensive game (0.76 per possession) in two years, but it was also their worst defensive game (1.20 per possession) in two years. No matter how you look at it, this was a beat-down. And one that FSU desperately needed. The Seminoles failed to secure a signature win out-of-conference, and needed to beat UNC or Duke. This was the only chance this season to face the Tar Heels.
Deividas Dulkys played his best game as a Seminoles. He scored early. He scored late. He finished with a career high 32 points (8-10 on 3s, 4-4 on 2s), while also contributing all the little things he contributes every night. He had 4 assists, 4 steals, a block (2 if you count the horrible call that went against him) and only turned the ball over one time. He guarded all the UNC guards plus Harrison Barnes. He helped FSU build a big early lead which translated into an 8-point cushion at half. And he helped FSU blow out UNC in the 2nd half. He's the 5th Seminole to make eight 3-pointers in a game, and the only one of the five to do it in less than 12 attempts. It was a remarkable performance, and I hope you saw it.
Okaro White and Bernard James combined for 10 offensive rebounds. In total FSU rebounded 43.8% of their own misses against a team which only allows 27%. White finished with his 2nd career double-double (12 points, 10 boards). Michael Snaer added 17 points and 5 rebounds. And Luke Loucks, after forcing the action in the first half and committing 6 turnovers, played mistake free basketball and had the play of the night when he stole an inbounds pass and dished to Dulkys who nailed the three with six players on the other side of the court. The game finished with a surreal scene when UNC sent all of their bench and coaches to the locker room (supposedly at coach Hamilton's suggestion) while their walk-ons were left to finish and deal with the FSU students storming the floor.
FSU improves to 11-6, 2-1, and faces Maryland at home on Tuesday night.
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I saw some feedback in the game thread against this statement. Maybe not ever, but it has to be one of the most complete we’ve seen in a while. Just imagine if we didn’t have unreasonable fouls called against us, and if we could eliminate a handful of those silly turnovers. We could really be looking at something.
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
Dave Cowens and Company over JU and Artis Gilmore at Tully....1969? 1970?
You said, “ever.”
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Big win in Tully 1/27/70
89-83. Great, close game.
After the game, we walked on the court (it wasn’t called storming the floor then) and congratulated the players.
You, like me...
must have been there for the freshman game. Do you remember when the JU varsity entered the building? He and Burroughs were able to look people nearly at the top of the baseline bleachers directly in the eye. They were wearing shiny green suits with gold ties IIRC.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Burrows and Gilmore
Gilmore seemed about 6 inches taller than Cowens; and years later, I saw a seven-foot tall Florida Highway Patrolman (Burrows) writing a traffic ticket on I-10.
We were courtside at the game.
hard not to be close to "courtside" at Tully :-)
we were about 5 rows up very close to half court. Pembroke was a big man.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Winning by 33 over this UNC team with our players is much more impressive than a 6 point win when we had Cowens.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
Well... 33 is impressive, but one of the teams quit.
The JU FSU game was the first ever between two ranked teams from Florida, nobody quit, and it featured Dave Cowens and Artis Gilmore, two current NBA Hall of Famers.
How many from last night’s game do you think are going to make the Hall?
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
The team quit because it was down 25+ in the second half to an unranked team. Find another game where a top 3 team lost by 33 to an unranked sqaud.
I didn’t realize that a game having two Hall of Famers made it a most impressive game. It may have been historical, but definitely not more impressive than this win.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
transgenerational comparison
Really hard to explain how big the 1970 JU-FSU game was, in terms of pregame hype and national attention for two “outsider” programs. FSU played unbelievably well, and JU was in it all the way.
FSU, with possibly its best team ever, was ineligible for the tournament, but JU ultimately lost in the finals to the UCLA dynasty.
This UNC game was wonderful for sustained offensive and defensive play by FSU, but their opponent looked soft, slow, and undisciplined – so it’s a memorable upset blowout; but if I had the choice to see one game again, it would be FSU/JU in Tully.
PS The best game I never saw was in Cowens’ sophomore year against Pete Maravich’s LSU in a tournament in Milwaukee. Down 54-52 at the half, FSU scored 78 second half points to win 130-100, as Dave Cowens grabbed 31 rebounds.
Yeah, it really just comes down to how you want to define “impressive win.”
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did not ean to take a thing away from the UNC game
nut, yeah, two hall of famers and FSU knocking off the eventual NC runnerups was, according (only) to how I would define impressive, wasn’t even close. As you can see, we are still talking about it. I’ll bet you can find a lot about that matchup on the web. Historic. Impressive. etc.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Good explanation.
31 rebounds is, in my best Princess Bride voice, Inconceivable.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Whoa...
That was 100% enjoyable to watch!
by IronNole on Jan 14, 2012 5:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
do we have any names?
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
According to the Recruiting Thread:
WR Nelson Agholor
OT Menelik Watson
DE Mario Edwards
QB Sean Maguire
TE Christo Kourtzidis
LB Markuss Eligwe
wow
i mean wow; today just keeps getting better!
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
Sean Maguire
It is interesting that ESPN has Sean Maguire listed as a four star quarterback and the #12 in the nation.
I wish I had watched the Carolina game, totally unexpected and just when some were calling for Hamilton’s head.
The Seminoles are still America's team
Can there be one with soul so dead whose heart does not leap at the sigh of Renegade and the flaming spear
They're probably still cleaning off the court
From all the students who crapped their pants when they saw Watson, Edwards, and Eligwe running straight for them
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 14, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Would be a complete shock if he ended up here,
but certainly glad he was in attedance. He’s been at a few games
by Michael Rogner on Jan 14, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Want to thank you for your sane and excellent
discussion of Ham in the Flambeau Article. I wasn’t against Ham but before I read your article I would have not been too worried if we dismissed him. What we saw last night was beyond my imagination. (A team that gets blown out by CU cannot do that to UNC.) Dulkys has never remotely approached that level of offensive production in games past and I guess “the miracle” we witnessed was the kid shrugging off confidence issues and letting rip. Very enjoyable. And yes, I am one of those who had mentioned here often how hard they have been to watch. After a pleasant first half I almost turned off the game deciding to not sit through a UNC 2nd half rally and FSU turnover fest. Glad I didn’t.
Also, in passing, there were a lot of very strange calls against us, odd as that sounds, in the game. Especially in the 2nd half; Dulky’s block “foul” and Zellner’s mauling of Gibson no-call. Any thoughts?
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
The ACC refs didn't have enough fun with the football team this year,
So they decided to throw a few elbows at th BB team
by realnole1128 on Jan 15, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I felt is was pretty poorly officiated both ways.
Probably more in favor of UNC, but I’ll have to confirm that when I re-watch the game
by Michael Rogner on Jan 15, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
the entire game derailed with about 12min left in the second half
i think gibson had 3, james 1, and kreft 1 and the half… while henson and zeller had 0 each. that was frustrating. and the two consecutive trips for okaro. but otherwise i thought it was an average effort on part of the officials.
I'd like to hear your opinion.
It couldn’t have been a spread thing or a UNC thing. Early in the game it seemed quite even and fair.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
towards the end of the first half,
i think UNC had 4 fouls to our 9; i couldn’t believe that a team that lead the world in blocks and steals suddenly forgot how to do so legally; i mentioned in the game thread that i’m one of the worst at blaming refs, but I stand by my statement that had the fouls been a little more even, we would have led at halftime by 15 or more
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
Beat Down in front of our recruits makes it only sweeter!
I hope they are feeling the Seminole spirit and will capitalize on the moment with their commitment!!!! Thanks Dulkys, we needed that. Now i just hope it comes back on ESPNU so I can watch the whole game.
I am still wondering...
Who those guys were in the FSU jerseys, and what they did with our players.
by realnole1128 on Jan 15, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
I'm searching my memory, and for the life of me, I cannot remember a performance
in recent Seminoles Hoops history like the performance Dulkys had today. Maybe Tim Pickett at some point? In any case, this was one for the record books for the senior Lithuanian. Truly incredible.
And for the 2nd game in a row, the Noles NEVER trailed. Not for a second.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
thats a good point. that was a late season crucial game, too, wasnt it?
anyway, part of it with DD may be that it was against UNC, and the sentimental angle that this will probably be DD’s greatest memory as a basketball player, whereas you knew Thornton was going pro.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
Yep.
Just added a line to the recap to mark DD’s historical 3-pt shooting
by Michael Rogner on Jan 14, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, this was a complete game and fun way to spend a couple of hours on a cold Sunday afternoon in So. Fla. Happy, drunk, and wasted.
Dulky’s ACC Player of the Week.
ACC refs suck.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
HA! Feels like Sunday with football and all, but in reality I think the years of partying is starting to catch up with me.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
No such things as conference refs in hoops
by Michael Rogner on Jan 14, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Thank God
Otherwise we would have lost this one…
by floundringaround on Jan 14, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Most fun I've ever had watching FSU basketball.
My $50.00 Hooters bill is evidence
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by CornNole on Jan 14, 2012 6:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL. Speaking as a Northerner who went to FSU, and have spent 1/3 of my life in
Florida, I have to say Hooters is one thing I miss about Florida that I never expected to miss coming back to Ohio. But the Hooters here suck. Suck real bad.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
that's because
they have to stay covered up so much of the year… no motivation to keep in shape!
no lie, I think you are absolutely correct there,
I’ll also say this about the difference between Florida women and Ohio women: the difference is not in quality, as there are some supremely hot women in the Midwest (go to Chicago once if you dont believe that). The difference is in quantity. The sheer number of hot women in Florida is the overwhelming separating factor.
Consequently, there are just not enough hot women up here to support a Hooters or two in Midwestern cities. This, in addition to the aforementioned fitness reasons.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
Pickett, Douglas, or Wafer...those 3 are the only ones capable of doing that.
BTW sorry I missed the game thread. I watched it at Hooters and eventually got encouraged to move along with my afternoon. Evidently I was “loud” & “yelling at the televisions”.
Best. Win. Ever. I’m off to celebrate.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by CornNole on Jan 14, 2012 5:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Andrew Wilson
I remember he had a crazy night with something like 7 threes at one point!
by Mari Yaguchi on Jan 14, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
That was against UNC too, no?
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
I wanna say he did that a couple of times...
One of them was definitely against Duke or UNC…
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Don’t know how Pickett didn’t get a sniff in the league.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
He did get some burn with the Hornets I think.
He was decent but just couldn’t adjust to not being the center of the offense IMO.
by FSUActuary on Jan 15, 2012 4:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He came up short on a lot of dunks.
Seems trivial, but it is a sign of athleticism. He probably came up short on a couple measurables and intensity doesn’t cut it in the league. Absolutely loved him here though.
Full Meltdown Mode
by TBfisherman on Jan 15, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
A little old school,
but Bobby Sura and George McCloud were more than capable.
by jimmygnole on Jan 14, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I loved when Sura was on the team
And still remember days of Charlie playing Bball and I forgot what game it was when he saved a ball from going out of bounds by jumping and throwing it between he legs with he back to the court
A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
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F THE ACC ..|.. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Kentucky kicked our butts...
"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
Yes.
Wasn’t by close to 30 points? All I remember is that they broke 100.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
I remember that game.
But sometimes, those are easy losses to deal with, as opposed to gut-wrenching Wide Rights and 32-29 in the Swamp, etc.
After the Kentucky loss, it was like, “Oh, well, they’re better. Now pass me another beer.”
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
there might not be enough championships in the entire
remaining history of humanity that Kentucky could win that would erase the pain of that loss from the Bluegrass People.
A ending like that is a permanent scar to the loser.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
that was a really solid uk team
still had mashburn iirc
That Ain't Old
I watched the ’Noles lose to UCLA in the 1972 Final, on a black and white TV during a day off in Air Force basic training.
I watched that game on a black and white tv also, it had rabbit ears
and was in my room at my fraternity house. Both FSU and UCLA had 6’ 11" centers. The only difference was that ours was named Lawrence McCray and theirs was named Bill Walton.
Bob Hope did a comedy show at Tully Gym that year and his first line was “I can’t believe that the second best basketball team in the country plays in a garage.”
by Nole75 on Jan 15, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My years there also
"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
What a change!
The change in McCloud that one year (don’t remember if it was after his first or second year at FSU) from a chunky, out-of-shape small forward type to a super fit, lighting quick, sharp shooting combo guard was just amazing. I think he and Cassell were my favorite FSU players.
(I was too young to really appreciate the individual players during the Durham era.)
GPD: To correct and to serve.
(I was too young to really appreciate the individual players during the Durham era.)
Durham had some really special players during his time here. He also showed that you could have great defense AND a good offense. His pre-game warm-ups featured a lot of defensive drills. Yet his teams were fast break/up tempo every chance they got.
Also pre-game there was Skip Young yelling out ‘Work’…with a response from other players ‘Play’! A really fun time to be watching FSU basketball. They were good AND entertaining. Man…the memories of those Durham years.
I was sticking w/ the Hamilton era, really.
Bobby Sura could’ve turned in a performance like that easily. Dude averaged like 20 ppg his career (not sure he would’ve done that in the ACC though).
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
and 1/2 of his seasons he was by far the best player on the team
teams keyed on him and he still averaged 20 and 6 boards…
You are obviously too young
to remember Otto Petty, Ron King, Dave Cowens, George McCloud and you must remember Bobby Sura. As for best win ever, as I said above, the biggest BB in Florida history, to that date, was a sixties matchup between FSU-Dave Cowens and Artis Gilmore of JU. The line to get in snaked from Tully (where they played then) to out the horizon in the direction of the student union.
Both top 25 teams, first time ever. We won!
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Dunno
Some of the old Metro Conference battles with Denny Crum’s Louisville teams were insanely intense!
When JU came to Tully that year
the FSU ball boy who came out to prep the court for the Freshman game (they had freshman teams back then), was greeted by an absolutely packed house. We had been sitting in the gym for about an hour with no action at all. Artis, Pembroke Burroughs and Rod McIntyre, 7’0, 7’2, and 6’10 were the first front line to average seven feet tall in the history of the game. And they had a guard, Rex somebody, 6’5", who played for the Celtics later. JU was (I think) top 10, FSU was like #22. Burroughs got carried out in a stretcher. Word was that Durham had the first team guys practice against the second team that week using badminton rackets. 3500 fans, capacity. Electric. We won. Never been to, seen or heard of anything like it.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
by fmnole on Jan 15, 2012 7:53 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
that is a pretty cool trip down Old Skool lane,
thanks!
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
You're welcome.
It was fun to recall. And the big JU guard, IIRC, was Rex Morgan.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
JU
I was in about 2nd grade when Artis Gilmore was at JU. Remember going to the airport with my dad to greet the team after they lost in NCAA finals to UCLA. That team would have never lost had dunking been legal! I think the guard was Rex Morgan.
Yup, Morgan.
I remembered after the post. I watched that UCLA-JU game on my honeymoon. :-)
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
My first game
Went to the first game of the season Cowen’s senior year. Freshman/JV game was Ron King, Reggie Royals, Otto Petty (the core of the National runner-up team in ’72) and company. Place was already packed to watch them play.
I'm close to 30
I vividly remember Sura/Ward/Dobard/Cassell/Williams, etc.
Really was just talking about the Hamilton era.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Al Thornton too.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
Yup.
Al could get hot. IIRC he was a pretty decent 3 point shooter for being so big.
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Guys you are confused
That was UNC Greensborough we played today. Impressive crowd though for a preety bad opponent. I cant wait until a team like UNC comes in. It will be standing room only.
by PJVNolefan on Jan 14, 2012 5:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Excellant work as always Michael!
I have really appreciated your work to keep us informed and reasonable about our basketball team. If you would any video of the game to illustrate any points or concepts let me know I would be happy to help out.
by NationWideNole on Jan 14, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I was just having this conversation with another poster,
as I’m trying to figure out how to capture HD video to my laptop. He recommended a Hauppauge HD PVR. If you have thoughts I’d love to hear them, as I’m on the technology short bus
by Michael Rogner on Jan 14, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
I have an elgato HD device
I provided Bud with clips, and I can do the same for you
by NationWideNole on Jan 14, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
The Elagato HD = HD PVR for Apple
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by FSUcyberpunk on Jan 15, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
I have been to closer, more competitive games that FSU has pulled out, and those were fun but stressful. This was insanely fun and very low stress for much of the second half.
I should probably just walk away from Seminole b-ball forever as a very happy man.
I agree. I was thinking the same thing.
Its rare that an FSU ACC game is just pure enjoyment without a hint of stress, and to have it come against UNC made it all the more special.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
Actually, I was still stressed when UNC made their only run in the second half
To cut a 70-40 lead down to about 70-46 – still with 8+ minutes left. It wasn’t til Loucks stole an inbounds pass after a made bucket and passed it to Dulkys for a (nother) wide open tres that I fully destressed and completely enjoyed the rest of the game.
by CelticPride on Jan 15, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
I was like Don’t let up. And they didn’t.
The Funk Phenomenon.
by willdabeast on Jan 15, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Wow - What a game!
What a win….Thanks for the great pre-game and follow-up write up…both my kids were there….last year saw Duke and now this!!! Go Noles!!!
great day
Its been an absolute great day as both a uk(family no choice) and a noles fan still can’t decide which is sweeter uk beating ut in football or our noles beating cry baby roy in bball
by afnole on Jan 14, 2012 6:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Soooo....
Barring a complete meltdown, if UNC ends up a #1 or #2 seed in the tournament, was this pretty much our signature win?
Can we confidently say that, if we can get to 9-10 ACC wins again, we’re a lock for the tourney (not on the bubble)?
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 14, 2012 6:13 PM EST reply actions
If we take care of business against BC, Wake and Maryland 10 is a lock, 9 I'd feel good about
by Michael Rogner on Jan 14, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
We need to beat MD Tuesday.
A loss there wouldn’t completely undo our win on Sunday (NOTHING EVER WILL) But it would definitely put a damper on it.
by CelticPride on Jan 15, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
So instead of watching the game today..
..I decided to go fishing instead, and didn’t catch nothing, now I see this….can’t wait to watch the replay !!
Incredible performance
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 14, 2012 6:38 PM EST reply actions
DAMN PROUD TO BE
A SEMINOLE!!! That was a great game…I really don’t think The Heels expected us to play em that tough cuz we’ve been struggling this year and they could not keep up…Fsu was motivated,and if they could play like that every game,..woo, we would get a championship…how sweet it would be if we got 2012 champions in BBALL and Football..already know were getting Fisher’s first ring this year…anyways, I was on the court at the buzzer, great game, great atmosphere, sooo glad the recruits were there…go NOLES! Oh wait, Christo is in town, almost forgot,…GO SEMINOLES!!
by thornole on Jan 14, 2012 7:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
anybody know
MEJ’s twitter page? Christo’s?? Just tryin to see what they said about the big win/OV
by thornole on Jan 14, 2012 8:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Just type in Christo courtzidis twitter on google and u will find it
And Mario doesn’t really post
by TheRenegade29 on Jan 14, 2012 9:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can we keep this intensity...
vs Marlyand on Tuesday? I’d hate to lose to them at home after a game like this.
by NolesHeatBraves on Jan 14, 2012 9:10 PM EST reply actions
BEST game I've ever been to!
Go NOLES! Glad the recruits were there :)
I have been one of those who has been calling for Hams head
I have no idea what to say or how to feel. Was I wrong about this whole thing? or is this just an dream. I am man enough to say I just dont know. I could be totally wrong about Ham.
You were wrong.
Michael’s article is pretty compelling.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Good to see you're man enough to show your face in the aftermath
Hopefully there will be many more to see the light. This can be an excellent basketball team, but FSU as a university does not put forth the resources to make it elite. We can be good to very good, but that is all with what Ham is being given.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 15, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Congratulations to Coach Hamilton...
And the rest of the fsu bball team
Dulkys, White and the rest of the team were a joy to watch today.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 15, 2012 1:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Up and Down
The BB problem is that it plays to its competition. Football had the same problem until 1989. It resumed in 2001. It is easy to blame the players for not being “up” for every game, but I think it is something that some coaches understand right out of the box while other coaches take years to learn it. Billy Donovan seems to understand it right out of the box and has been able to instill that same mindset in his players. Hamilton certainly understands it, but has been unable to bring the players along with his mindset. Maybe he is turning the corner.
Seen too many of these through the years to believe one game means the team has turned the corner. The corners are more like arcs than 90 degree angles. It takes more than a few wins with high intensity to believe you have turned the corner. However, once you turn the corner, the old players train the young players and it is self perpetuating. See 1990s FSU football. They rarely took their foot off of anyone’s throat. Anyway, every turn of the corner starts somewhere, and I hope this was our somewhere.
RWHUGHESJR
Annoyed Sports Radio Host: I'm looking for one brave Gators fan to call, just one. Oh so Gators fans talk trash all the time but when they play a game and lose nobody has the guts to call in?
Leonard: What are Gators?
Henry Desalvo: Football. College.
Confused Sports Radio Call In: I'm a Gators fan.
Annoyed Sports Radio Host: And what do you have to say?
Confused Sports Radio Call In: You said that Gators fans don't have the guts to call in.
Annoyed Sports Radio Host: Your point?
Confused Sports Radio Call In: My point is that I'm calling you now.
Leonard: [notices Snake and Eddie escorting Arthur wearing dark-colored pantyhose on their head] Is that him?
Henry Desalvo: I think we got Gator fans.
by RWHUGHESJR on Jan 15, 2012 8:12 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Disagree with the analogy, but I agree with your point.
FSU football won by playing hard and having a tremendous talent advantage. FSU hoops doesn’t have that advantage. Ham’s teams don’t play up or down to anyone’s level, they just can’t play offense. When the shot fall (like yesterday) they look great. When they don’t (like UF) they look terrible. Consisten effort is the last of their problems. Every team is going to have a few flat games (like Princeton). With UF’s talent advantage if they brought it every night no way would they lose to teams like Rutgers and Tennessee.
Your larger point – that this is just one game, is exactly right. Just like Princeton was just one game. Don’t get too up after wins, don’t get too down after losses.
by Michael Rogner on Jan 15, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
maybe said otherwise
what is ultimately frustrating about this team and the teams of the last few years is that the ceiling is evident a few times during the season, but so is the floor. And the difference between the ceiling and the floor is enormous! where do you set your expectations with a gap so wide?
Playing hard and having talent
In the late eighties and very early 90s, we did not have the talent that others had. We had a very few, very special people. However, after the horrid start to the season something clicked and for more than 12 years it continued. The success tended to cause new, better signees as we moved into the 90s. However, they never took a game off. This team and the teams of the past few years take games off. The Clemson game was horrible. I sat there and watched the lackadaisical play. If this had happened on the 90s football team, the seniors would have excoriated the loafer. Once the attitude attaches, it stays for a good while. This team has considerable talent. Hamilton is great at coaching up his players. He is not there yet in zeroing in on their overall attitude. It will come, probably not this year, but it will arrive within 5 years.
You are right about Donavan though. He has talent up and down that roster and can’t get them to buy into the effort. After Horford graduated, they lost some of their pizzazz and have not been able to resurrect it yet.
RWHUGHESJR
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I respectfully disagree.
Hoses 80s teams had talent, Deion Sanders and Sammy Smith were very highly rated HS recruits. And Florida was and still is a hotbed of football recruiting, which fell into the lap of Bobby Bowden.
The state of Florida can in no way compete on a talent level with basketball recruiting, and Hamilton has to work 3 times as hard as Bowden did to get recruits.
The biggest problem is trying to compare our basketball program with our football program. It just doesn’t work. Our basketball program compares to maybe Wake Forrest football or UConn football, not FSU football.
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"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 16, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Quick Question:
If the season was to end today, with no other games playing, would the Noles be on the right side of that bubble?
I know this is way premature, but I like to have an idea of where they stand.
If I could wear a bucs shirt with a noles hat for the rest of my life, by golly I would be the happiest man in the world.
A few times. They are going to present a pretty big challenge for our offense
by Michael Rogner on Jan 15, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
about Virginia...
where did they come from? Were they suppose to be this good, or is this somewhat of a shock?
If I could wear a bucs shirt with a noles hat for the rest of my life, by golly I would be the happiest man in the world.
UVA really hasn't played anyone.
The Michigan win will help, and evidently they played Duke real close the other night. I think they’ve been the beneficiary of some charmin soft scheduling, but I think they’ll probably eek in.
They’re pretty good defensively, just looking at the numbers.
UNC
Duke
FSU
UVA
Clemson/VT (long shot)
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Their ooc schedule was horrible. They need to be smarter than that or they'll end up like VT has
by Michael Rogner on Jan 15, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
don't wish ending up like VaTech on anyone!
LOL. Seriously, though, Greenburg might jump off the tallest building in Blacksburg. He finally upgrades the schedule, and the team starts 0-3 in the ACC. Yikes.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
Did you see his face at the end of the FSU loss
It was classic. I wanted to put him on suicide watch.
by CelticPride on Jan 15, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
some of the tourney prognosticators
say NC State has a chance
I think it'll depend on how many bids they decide to grant the ACC
Wouldn’t be shocked at 4 or 6
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by CornNole on Jan 15, 2012 4:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They do have a chance...
though it may depend on how FSU fares the rest of the way. NC State’s fate probably rests on a team currently in, that falls apart in conference play.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 16, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
FSU basketball is such a curious team. They can beat UNC one night then lose to FAMU the next, no disrespect to FAMU of course
SO WE CAN HIRE HIM
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 15, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I’d make that deal. How ’bout you
Utivich, you make that deal?
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by CornNole on Jan 15, 2012 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like him too
But you are dead on with your question. After reading Michael’s article, it’s clear that whoever is the FSU coach has to find a back door to success. It ain’t going t happen with all top-25 recruiting. Ham’s approach, big, athletic, next level potential kids who may develop, is a good one. And any true athlete who wants to, can learn to play defense.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
FSU recruit Aaron Thomas played on ESPN yesterday.
Scored 23 (after scoring 27 last game) on a team that has several D1 players including Mitch McGary (ESPN #2 overall). Had three deep threes, showed some mid range game, got to the rack. Reminds me a lot of Miami’s Durand Scott.
Had he not had qrade issues, he never would have gotten away from the Big Ten
by Michael Rogner on Jan 16, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions
Great news. Thanks Michael.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
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"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 16, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
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