'Noles News 01.16.12
by Bud Elliott on Jan 16, 2012 10:16 AM EST
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PrintThe big news of the weekend was, of course, FSU's 90-57 drubbing of North Carolina on the hardwood. Wow was that something.
In other news, the recruits were in town over the weekend. I was told that the kids had a good time, FSU feels confident Mario Edwards will not stray (though, with a visit to LSU looming and the Texas Longhorns just a short drive away, it's impossible to be completely sure), and oh, Auburn WR commitment Ricardo Louis was also in town. Auburn still doesn't have an offensive coordinator and I wouldn't be shocked to see a flip here.
Bill and Brian's final F/+ rating is out. On the year, the 'Noles had the 32nd best offense, 6th best defense and 2nd best special teams. 8th overall. Damn you, bounces, injuries, and ridiculous calls. Still, the 2011 team > the 2010 team, record aside. It's interesting to me that the 2011 offense ranked better than the 2010 defense. Yet I hear a lot more griping about the 2011 offense than I did about the 2010 defense. Probably because people are still foolishly using stuff like total defense and points to evaluate. The 2010 'Noles were blown out twice (Oklahoma 44-7 before garbage time, and Virginia Tech 44-26 before garbage time). The 2011 'Noles were not blown out. At all. That's actually a very important sign of a good team. Interestingly, Bill says 2011 Florida State is the third-best team in the last seven seasons not to have won at least 70 percent of its games.
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If Clemson grabs Venables, I will upgrade my opinion on Dabo
from “hobo” to “displaced American.”
What are you glorifying with your life?
I won't until he fires Batson
It’s laughable.
If either of these links:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3228383/2-Clemson-University-Power-Program
http://www.scribd.com/doc/61062851/3228494-Clemson
If either of those links actually resemble what their S&C program does, they will never succeed. And I have no prolbem with that.
by jmnpb996 on Jan 16, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's almost scary that a large-money football program will employ such a fool.
Granted, we could have said the same things about ourselves until the end of 2009…
If he lands OU's coordinator then we need to find out what type of majic tricks Dabo is using.
That way if Stoops leaves we can use those tactics to land us a D coordinator that’s on Stoops level or better. We can’t have a drop off if Dabo keeps pulling these types of hires out his @$$
by NOLEisticscience on Jan 16, 2012 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It may be just that. Special type $$$$
Because I don’t see a coach leaving a program that can win a NC just about every year for a program that can’t. Well not for a lil extra cash. But do you think Clemson can pay him a lot more than he’s already making. Just wouldn’t make much since. Other than some type of majic trick, smoke and mirrors.
by NOLEisticscience on Jan 16, 2012 12:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sounded like on Twitter that multiple people were saying that if it came down to a bidding war Clemson would definitely win. I could also see Venables jumping because he essentially got demoted by going from lone DC to co-DC, not to mention the other DC is the HC’s brother.
Ooooooooooooooo
So ok I didn’t know Venables got the thicker end of the shaft with the bob wire wrapped around it. Ok then I can see him leaving.
by NOLEisticscience on Jan 16, 2012 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Read that Venables is almost a Stoops brother, very close to them
Not sure how true, but he’s been around there a while
Yeah, and just how many 5-star athletes do high schools produce every year?
Didn’t think about THAT, now did ya? ;-)
First link, on the last page, check it out...
3) Eat a high protein diet
…
e. Eat at least 1gram a day
There’s the problem.
Oklahoma gave up 41 to Texas Tech in a loss, They gave up 45 to Baylor in a loss, They gave up 44 to Oklahoma State (rival) in a loss. These schools all run spread, up temp offense, air raid if you will.
The Seminoles are still America's team
Can there be one with soul so dead whose heart does not leap at the sigh of Renegade and the flaming spear
Need point per play for B12 teams
When every team runs offense at a deer’s pace the increase in snaps means your defense is on the field more than average. Also have to wonder how many points were from special teams, results of field position etc.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jan 16, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Wake Forest and Virginia games really skew perception
Wake was an atrocious couching job across the board and Virginia the offense just couldn’t get it going and the missed kick put it over the top. You remove those two games from the thought process and FSU reasonably could have those kind of numbers.
Unfortunatley
you could say that about almost any team in the country. UVA and Wake should have both been won comfortably even with injuries. The Wake game was a terrible gameplan and reflects poorly on the coaches, UVA was more of a product of attrition on the oline but inexcusable nonethless at home.
I was convinced, after that game, that EJ was going to have surgery after the Gator game and miss the bowl game.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 16, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
EJ
Tough for me to put a lot of blame on a QB when I see an unblocked defensive player make a straight run for the QB up the middle more than a couple times in the same game. The blocking was atrocious in that game and the penalties were another HUGE factor int hat game as well, mostly by the oline as well. That was the most frustrating game to watch as an FSU fan since probably ’08.
EJ kept the bal far too long on 3rd down situations in the red zone.
He needs to get rid of the ball sooner, and be more aware. Situational football.
FTR it is not easy to do and I still see NFL QBs that fail at situational football (though those QBs are not named Brees, Brady, Rogers or Manning.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 16, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Josh Freeman is a good example.
Far too many ints in the end zone. May have cost his Head Coach his job.
Jacory Harris may be a better example of a talented QB with who is terrible with situational football.
As were those Notre Dame QBs. Just terrible.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 16, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Mentally the entire team and coaching staff were just off that day
Looking back, I think that the constant setbacks and officiating issues really affected the team psychologically late in the season. The UVA game just seemed to be the day that everything boiled over.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 16, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
i think that the griping about the 2011 offense
and the lack thereof about the 2010 defense have been more about trajectory than numbers. The 2011 offense was 34th, but was top 5 in the two seasons prior. Meanwhile, the 2010 defense was 41st (I believe) but followed a unit ranked near the bottom of the FBS. Anyone who actually complained about that kind of improvement was (and by all means should have been) wholly ignored.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 16, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This.
We expected a dropoff because of the OL departures, but I think it was shocking to most Nole fans that the OL never really gelled at all.
I’m even more shocked that our offense was ranked as high as it was given how bad the run game looked this year. It was atrocious.
by FSUActuary on Jan 16, 2012 12:14 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Let's be honest here.
The 2010 defense was griped about less because it was coming off an absolutely atrocious 2009 showing. We weren’t sure how Stoops would fare and were pleasantly surprised.
2009 Def S&P+: 94th (Behind Ark St and ahead of Duke)
2010 Def S&P+: 31st
Pender
Please tell me he’s enrolled and in class today!
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
by SoCalNole on Jan 16, 2012 12:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
From what I understand Pender is enrolled
However there is no class today. MLK jr. day.
by dominicannole on Jan 16, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome!
I really believe his explosive style opens things up for the offense this year. That can only help as we will field one of the youngest OL’s in the nation.
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
by SoCalNole on Jan 16, 2012 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Youngest OL is one thing but...
we return are good amount of offensive snaps on the OL. Big difference with that youth, as opposed to bringing in first time starters.
Spring will be a battle for sure.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 16, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think NOL's failure to become a more important fixture in the offense ...
… is one of the most perplexing questions about last season.
I’m very aware that we tend to overestimat the impact of freshman and have preached on this site often not to get hopes too high for Karlos-type 5-star athletes, but ….
1) NOL had DREADFUL competition at his position — Reliford was mediocre at best at Little was …. well, we all know.
b) When he WAS in the game, he seemed to have a positive impact.
I guess he either couldn’t block, missed too many assignments for CJF’s tastes or has some type of attitude problem. Thoughts?
Feel sorry for the smelly kid
Maybe he just doesn’t like showers after the game/practice or he lost his stick of Mitchum.
I hate you Off-season
I don't feel sorry for him
Worst case scenario are his 2 freaking national.championship rings get dirty.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by CornNole on Jan 16, 2012 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Likely a joke about his last name
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
Whoops lol
Went totally over my head. Thanx Roll
How much of that is inexperience?
It seems as though Freshmen TEs are either A.) great receivers, lousy blockers or 2.) great blockers and lousy receivers. How many D.) balanced freshmen TEs are their in any given year?
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, imporper use of "there"
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I've been wondering if he could eventually be a guy who will transfer.
He’s not exactly getting a lot of playing time, even though his competition is weak to say the least. Despite the sound reasoning behind not playing him so much, I can see how a guy like NOL would move on for what he considered greener pastures. He seems like a guy that would be on a B12 team to me, or at UF in Urbie’s spread option… Thought that way every time I saw him on the field.
Am I the meanest? Am I the prettiest? Am I the baddest mofo low down around this town? Well who am I? Who am I?
I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Sacrifice an entire year when you'll be the starter?
Don’t see it. If he gets passed this year that’s one thing, but otherwise, no way.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 17, 2012 8:42 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Do you think FSU will be moving more towards a spread system next year?
Less opportunities for NOL when 4- and 5-WR sets are being run.
Am I the meanest? Am I the prettiest? Am I the baddest mofo low down around this town? Well who am I? Who am I?
I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 17, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
I think Jimbo will always find a way to use someone like NOL
If NOL learns to do his assignment and becomes a capable blocker.
No, I don’t think jimbo will ever go full spread with 4 and 5 wide sets.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 17, 2012 10:13 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
My guesses
A) behind the curve due to not early enrolling
2) his most effective routes mismatch with EJ’s 2011 skillset
D) smith, Greene, Green, Shaw, Reed were better receiving options at this point in his career.
$) not enough uniform flair. EJ kept mistaking him for a walk-on
by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Regarding point 2.)
I was speaking of EJ earlier this year and made a comment that it seems most of EJS ints were thrown on patterns to Reliford. At the time, it was such a small sample size and was right after the OU game.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 16, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
And when Bill and Brian start handing out trophies and decide who gets airtime on SportsCenter...
…I’ll tell folks to stop judging a team by wins and losses.
Tomahawk Nation didn't cause my divorce. It was merely a contributing factor.
I'd rather win games.
I understand the metrics. And if you think those numbers tell the story of what happened at Wake and against Virginia, you’re smoking something. Or drinking it.
Tomahawk Nation didn't cause my divorce. It was merely a contributing factor.
And if you don't think they indicate the true quality of the team, and not the extenuating circumstances of Wake/UVA
I’d say you’re smoking something as well.
Always good to hear from the Clemson boys
The Seminoles are still America's team
Can there be one with soul so dead whose heart does not leap at the sigh of Renegade and the flaming spear
. On the year, the ’Noles had the 32nd best offense,
Then this was a terrible year for offense in college football. You can use all the sabermatrics you want, there was no way we were top 32.
The big news of the weekend was, of course, FSU’s 90-57 drubbing of North Carolina on the hardwood. Wow was that something.
I cant help but laugh. The Seminole basketball team is the most ridiculously inconsistent, year-to-year team Ive ever seen. You said it Bud, wow, that was something.
"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum
Care to name 32 offenses you'd take over ours?
I have trouble naming that many I’d definitely take over our O.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 16, 2012 4:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I want desperately to believe that FSU is the 32nd best offense in the nation.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by CornNole on Jan 16, 2012 4:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Don't let the end of the season cloud your thinking
We had pretty solid outputs in games 6-8.5. Also 2nd half of ND was very good (against a great D). Clemson game was good too. Would I rank our offense in 2nd hhalf of BC, Miami or UVA as 32? No way, but for the year, maybe.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 16, 2012 4:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Clemson game... I dunno...
We scored 23 points on a bad defense. By some measures (S&P+), clemson was a worse defense than ULM.
We had 29 rushing yards total.
Yards per play looks good, but did anything else?
Passing game was rolling with a backup QB and the OL struggling in the run game.
There were numerous people that were calling for Trickett to be the starter after that game. Then, the bottom fell out.
Against a D that allowed 63 points
with a month of prep time.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
I don't care about that.
With the offensive personnel we had in that Clemson game, it was a good enough performance and better than most expected.
I think I see what you're saying there...
Perhaps it’s a bit of a glass half full/half empty thing.
On the one hand Trickett was 24 for 38 for 336— numbers better than one might expect for a new freshman qb.
On the other hand, we basically had 3 big plays. Take out the big plays and we’re left with: 21 for 35 for 208. 8 out of 12 possessions were 5 plays or less.
I remember being proud of how the offense tried in that game, given the circumstances. But, I didn’t really feel like the offense was rolling.
They did what a very talented and inexperienced group should do:
Utilized superior athletes to beat the hell out of inferior talent and struggled like hell against good defenses that make you execute.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 16, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
All non garbage time snaps
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 16, 2012 4:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I guess maybe I don't put a lot of faith in
Putting up a bunch of points on Duke, Wake, Maryland, ULM, CS, etc.
Watching other teams score much easier on UVA, UF, and even OU makes it harder for me to distinguish how good we actually are.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by CornNole on Jan 16, 2012 5:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The offense is alright, the problem was the young line decimated by injuries that could not run the ball very well or protect the quarterback. I think it can be fixed by next year with a little more muscle on the freshman. Of course it would hurt if E.J. picked up his reading a defenses a bit either.
The Seminoles are still America's team
Can there be one with soul so dead whose heart does not leap at the sigh of Renegade and the flaming spear
What kind of improvement
can we expect from the Offense next year?
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
This was my favorite comment in the STS post
3.5 years after Bowden it’s still the same soft, inconsistent, fringe-Top 25 team it’s been for over a decade. We were just lucky to catch a down ACC & injury-plagued FSU.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
-H.L. Mencken
Good to see some realistic Clemson fans
Though I disagree about them being the same now as they were 5 years ago. They had a lot of talented guys, but also a lot of filler back then. They’re building a much more complete roster now. They’ll be dangerous as long as Dabo stays out of his own way.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 16, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
32nd..... Adjusted offensive ranking lol
Against the decent defenses we played (and some bad ones) our offensive output was laughable.
Lets say we dont have one of the best special teams unit in the nation as well as an elite defense. How much worse is our offensive output?
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Jan 16, 2012 9:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lol it's like people think we're measuring based on points
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 16, 2012 10:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ok?
OK State 5th ranked D
FSU 6th ranked D
*laughs at stats that are still imperfect
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Ok. Fair enough.
Where would you rank FSU’s offense for the entire season? Which teams rank higher and why? I don’t have a better method for ranking all 120. But until I do, I won’t be laughing at this one.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 16, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
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Nick Montana.
- Reach of the offseason. With Joe’s son Nick out at Washington, and granted a transfer – the young hype-machine part-deux, is said to be selecting between El Camino (Corey Surrency, Mike Harris, Tavares Pressley ring any bells?) and Blinn College (Money bags Cam Newton.) If Montana heads to El Camino this offseason, I’ll bet even money FSU starts leaning early on this kid to consider coming to FSU to compete with Trick and St. Paul’s Jacob Coker (whom I don’t think will be ready to start in Jimbo’s system until at least 2014 against Jameis Winston anyways.)
A lot of time between now and then, but if Montana heads to El Camino – I said it first, even money says we lean on him before anyone else does. This is our pipeline for JUCO talent, and Jimbo is a QB hawk.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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Montana *did* get on the field at Notre Dame.
If he was Nick Smith, he’d be at a DII school.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
Bugger. That was Nate Montana. Nate, Nick.
Joe, don’t do that to your kids. Jeez.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
What have you ever seen to make you believe Jimbo would go after a JUCO QB?
What information do you have that makes you believe that after 2 springs and 2 falls Jacob Coker won’t be ready to start?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 17, 2012 8:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ready - possibly.
But based on how Fisher runs his QB’s, he’ll lean on his Senior Starter, assuming he’s still around.
Coker will be a RS Soph in 2012, and a RS Junior in 2013. This would be perfect positioning if nobody were in front of him in 2013. But by 2013, we’ll have Trick in his Senior Year (He’ll be a RS Senior in 2013.)
This means a QB starting battle is most likely not an issue until at least 2014, when Winston, Coker, and XYZ will be RS Junior and Senior.
Manuel is the guy in 2012, we know this.
Trickett SHOULD be the guy in 2013, pending some catastrophe.
Winston/Coker will be the guys in 2014.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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From an outsider's perspective
I don’t think 2011 Florida State was a top 10 team. They had a good defense but suspect offense.
I would be careful with relying on statistics too much, even modified stats. In reality who cares what your offense did against Maryland and Louisana Monroe, you want to know what it did against other bowl teams. So you have to modify the stats again.
I think FSU was a good time, but I don’t buy into we were an unlucky bounce from being an elite team. If FSU played in teh SEC I could buy that argument. However their losses were at home to a 9-3 OU team, 7-5 Wake Forest team, 8-4 UVA team, and 10-2 Clemson team. None of the teams they loss to were elite. Its true FSU that if the luck had evened up a bit, maybe FSU finishes 10-2 or 9-3, but even at 10-2 its hard to see them as an elite team given no really good wins.
Any word on the Cali Juco WR and if R. Louis effect ea other?s
by FireRicobert on Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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