No letdown: Noles roll 84-70
by Michael Rogner on Jan 17, 2012 11:41 PM EST
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For the 2nd straight game the Seminoles scored points like it was 2007 redux. On Saturday FSU scored 1.18 points per possession on UNC. Tonight they bettered that with 1.29 per possession in an 84-70 win over Maryland. It was their best offensive game since the night Al Thornton hung 45 on Miami (FSU scored 1.30 per trip). And it was 5.5% more than any other team has scored against Maryland this season. In short, the offense was elite.
Ian Miller was the best player for the home team and had 18 points on just 7 field goal attempts. He was 8-8 from the line and has missed four FTs in his career. He also added 5 rebounds and 4 steals. Michael Snaer scored 19, Bernard James scored 17, and Okaro White chipped in with 13. FSU shot 6-13 from beyond the arc, with Deividas Dulkys (2-3) and Ian Miller (2-3) leading the way. Luke Loucks had 9 points and 6 assists. And the team only turned it over on 13.8% of their possessions, which is almost half their season average.
The downside was allowing 70 points to Maryland in a 65 possession game. And - as everyone knew it would be - it was the Terrell Stoglin show. Any player that takes 37% of his team's shots when he's on the floor needs to be guarded closely. But FSU defenders consistently played off him and gave up the shot. I can't imagine that was Hamilton's defensive goal, but regardless, the ACCs leading scorer was 4-9 from behind the arc and scored 27 points. Credit Maryland with getting to the line 27 times as that contributed to the poor defensive showing. And credit Maryland for becoming the 4th team in 4 years to shoot 50% from the field vs FSU.
FSU is now 3-1 in the ACC, and next they travel to Durham to take on the Blue Devils in a Saturday afternoon matchup.
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I hate the idea
that we’ve lost to Clemson in both football and basketball this past season.
Goddamn redheaded stepchildren.
"Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in"
by 06N0LE on Jan 17, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh.
Those are gonna happen. I got over it pretty quickly, and am thrilled with the last 2 outings.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
That’s what you get with this program…Just when you think its gonna be a crap season they turn it around and vice versa. That’s why I refuse to get too high or too low, or pass judgement before the end of the year/conference season.
With that said, the team is starting to play good basketball and get easy buckets. That and the passion has seemed to be rekindled. I am cautiously optimistic about the rest of the year. This team may just live up to its potential.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
My dislike on how they played was that I didn’t think they played hard. They rarely dont do that and that was disappointing.
It was a road loss
Much more forgivable.
And like chrisnole said, it seemed to have helped flick a switch.
by CelticPride on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Do I dare to dream that this team is actually turning their season around?
by seminoleballer on Jan 17, 2012 11:55 PM EST reply actions
Do I dare dream that we have a decent chance of pulling off the upset Saturday?
If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Jan 17, 2012 11:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is like the 2000 Ravens
after inserting the great Trent Dilfer.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 17, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Are you being sarcastic
with the “great” part?
Trent Dilfer
has infinitely more times the titles than Dan Marino. Therefore, by using the theory of message board transitive properties; Dilfer is infinitely better than Marino.
Maybe that players-only meeting after the Clemson loss worked?
anyway, this is a nifty Luke Loucks stat from the evening: 6 assists and 2 turnovers.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
I think he had that many dimes against UNC
Obviously there have been some epic individual performances, but it seems
to me (and Michael could probably answer better than me) that Loucks is
quietly having a suprisingly good senior season
Yeh, I'm starting to get comfortable with him
I’m not at all impressed with peterson. I actually muttered to myself a couple of times in the last few games, “He better get Loucks back in there”. didn’t think I’d ever say that.
I agree with this. Disappointed with Peterson.
Although I believe MRogner suggested before the season to not expect anything special out of him.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
It's not _That_ surprising
Being a Senior means having experience – which hopefully leads to fewer bone-headed passes
by CelticPride on Jan 18, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Well.. cleaned up the turnovers and FTs tonight
Can hardly remember a missed FT tonight, and season low in TOs
fire hammy, lol
Snaer missed his first I believe
But at least it wasn’t the front end of a 1 and 1
by CelticPride on Jan 18, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
From the espn article-
The ball has moved much better since the emphasis on 3 guards
“Luke Loucks had nine points and and six assists for the Seminoles. Florida State had 12 assists and a season-low nine turnovers — the first time this season the Seminoles have had a positive assist-to-turnover ratio.”
“Both teams shot well from the floor. Florida State made 47.5 percent of its baskets (29 of 61) compared to 50 percent (24 of 48) for Maryland.”
So we took a lot more shots..off TO’s 9/15 steals 10/2
"Mel, yeah Mel Kiper Jr. He knows about as much about football as a Japanese space pilot." Rick Trickett
Maryland is 312th at forcing turnovers, so we aren't the only one.
Not that that has stopped us in the past.
by Michael Rogner on Jan 18, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
I was partially distracted
because tonight is my last at home for a couple of weeks, but did Maryland’s defense actually look pretty decent? I mean, we weren’t hitting luck shots, but I thought they did a pretty good job of fronting in the post and in the half-court d overall.
They weren’t getting back in transition, though. We were pushing like we are HIGH OCTANE BABY!!!
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
UMd's defense didn't look great
but FSU did move the ball well and took advanatage of UMd’s defensive mistakes. I would expect a regression to the mean against Duke but hopefully it won’t drop back into the 25% TO rate area. Hopefully we can keep is closer to 15 – 20%.
LEGGO!!!!
lets beat the blue devils in their house this year! keep your eyes on a 4th straight appearance to the “Big Dance”!
After doing my post-victory ritual of browsing the losing team's site
It is clear to me that FSU has never won a football and/or basketball game because they were the better team. Any winning is merely a side-effect of shitty play by the losing team.
Some gems:
“I came away oddly feeling more confident. Excluding a 4 minute period, we won that game.”
“We had no go to guys other than Stoglin and we simply handed FSU a win towards the middle of the 2nd half with sloppy play and poor defense.”
“FSU’s 21-3 run took about 4 minutes. Take away those 4 minutes, and we win, 67-63. Another way to look at it is we stayed with them for 36 minutes.”
“.the refs seem like they were paid tonight…seriously "
“FSU plays big and rough, with plenty of depth, and will win most of their home games with their refs. However, on tobacco road, they’ll have trouble.”
Wow.
That is something, “Take away 4 minutes” No! There is no such thing and it’s crazy talk. ND can’t say, “take away the 4th quarter and we win” or such things. Crazy.
Yeah,
but I bet ND did say something like that.
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
Since we have a simi hot streek there is no way we get a fair shake at Duke.
Just no way. There will be so many BS calls or I should say the lack of calls against Duke, that it will put us back to square. I don’t want to be negative about it we all know coach K will whine and make sure we don’t keep the momentum. Playing the way we are now has probably caused him some concern. Coach K will get in the heads of the refs and the game will be over before it starts.
by NOLEisticscience on Jan 18, 2012 5:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
true
and the irony is the duke has the most hand-checking on teh perimeter of any acc team
those fouls should be the easiest to spot since theyre literally right in front of a ref w/ no obstructions – but they get away w/ them, then whine if the refs let any rough play go in teh lane
watch saturday – ‘let them play’ on the perimeter ‘call it tight’ in the lane…
Gotta hate that.
Donovan’s UF squads have gotten the same benefit of doubt on their press-defense… free to slap, bump, nudge as much as they would like because they are “such a well-coached, sound, defensive team.”
Not sure we’re getting that same level of preferential treatment…. yet… pretty please?
"Excluding a 4 minute period, we won that game."
what? I mean, what the hell?
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
What was wrong with the refs?
Do Terp fans not know that dunking is legal?
by Michael Rogner on Jan 18, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
hey MRogner, I read the quip you posted on the Aaron Thomas ESPN game.
I may have asked this before (or maybe not): Does he start here next year as a Freshman or Sophomore?
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
Freshman. Same as Devon Bookert.
Kids are re-classing up and down all over hoops. Needs to be addressed by the NCAA.
by Michael Rogner on Jan 18, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
thanks.
out of curiosity, who’s our big man next year? Turpin?
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
At this point looks like a lot of 3-guard lineups,
Turpin 6’11
Shannon 6’8
White 6’8
Gilcrhist 6’8
Space 6’8
Will be necessary to always front the post with backside help.
by Michael Rogner on Jan 18, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
how similar will that team be to the Swann-Rich-Mims team?
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
Very.
Except hopefully run by players who are working together
by Michael Rogner on Jan 18, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Bernard James quote after the game:
“The first play of the game, I was trying to dunk everything I could,” James said. “Just to show them it was going to be a long night.”
Be afraid, Plumlee brothers. Be very afraid. You’re about to experience Air Force Wrath. You too, Kelly.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
I'm actually happy that Dulkys wasn't the man tonight
I like having a team where different players can step up their game to help the Noles win. Its seems in the past that if one guy was having a bad offensive game, the others would follow. Course having James step up on the inside is also very helpful.
Gripper
Tommyhawk Nation: Bobby Bowden is the all-time ACC leader in conference titles, conference wins, total wins, winning percentage, bowl appearances & wins and owns the longest conference winning streak.
I did like how he had the two quick 3's
To stretch the lead from four to ten.
Just to keep the confidence up.
by CelticPride on Jan 18, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I went to bed thinking that was about the best I'd ever seen us look offensively
which is remarkable considering we just put 90 on UNC. Glad to see that the stats backed up my impression.
It’s hard for me to think of back to back performances impressive as these two games, considering the opponents. Got a chance to make it a very special stretch in FSU basketball this weekend.
I really liked seeing our guards aggressively attacking the basket tonight. Loved the Miller bucket before the half. Loucks has always been good for taking it to the rim out of nowhere once every couple games, but I hope he makes it part of his game consistently now. I don’t watch a ton of college basketball outside FSU, but to me that seems like a bit of a lost art in basketball these days. I could be wrong about that.
With our bigs, I’ve never understood why that wasn’t more part of our offense – drive to the hoop, dump it off sometimes. I suppose with our poor shooting teams tend to bunch up in a tight zone and make us shoot ourselves out of the game. I just loved how few 3s we put up tonight.
Miller
This is a different team when he is in there and involved offensively. He is easily our most efficient offensive player outside of James who is obviously limited to a dunk shot or put back. Would love to see Miller take over this team and become more of a focalpoint offensively.
Loved the Miller bucket before the half.
Yeah, but if he had learned properly from Kitchen, he would have waited another 3-4 seconds and gotten a nice, lit-up, red target to shoot at… points counting be damned.
But really, it was nice to see we have a guy that we can clear out for on a last shot opportunity. Think that would have been Snaer earlier this season, but it is clear that our scoring identity has shifted as Miller has gotten comfortable.
Miller makes everyone better
An offensive threat like Miller opens up the lanes for drives and helps spread the defense. I believe he is the best pure scorer we have seen since Toney Douglas. Hopefully he can put his academic problems behind him.
In Kirk we Trust
Michael, I humbly ask
that my crow be served medium rare.
by tisc63128 on Jan 18, 2012 10:35 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
michael - what are the chances we get some type of basketball record/acc standing chart on the left hand sidebar
you know, since its basketball season, and no one is concerned w/ bowden anymore
we know you have mad pull around here w/ teh football guys…
NBA
Who among our former players is currently in the NBA
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