2012 Recruiting Discussion Thread #41 [CLOSED]
by DA-2 on Jan 18, 2012 11:31 PM EST
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Specific Player Questions (Check here before asking)
- Mario Edwards Jr.- Edwards Jr has Official Visit Florida State. The only other school in the running is Texas. Most question though if he could insult his father's school at this point. He looks to be solid in his commitment to Florida State.
- Dante Fowler- His recruitment has been very interesting. He's grown up a Florida State fan, but still has ties to Florida. He's taken multiple visit to Florida, including this summer when he was rumored to be leaning toward Florida. He also took in the beating Florida received from Alabama in early October. He's remained a Florida State commitment, but is scheduled to take official visits to University of Southern California, as well as Louisiana State. Those schools should not matter though, as he's been quoted as saying it's down to Florida and Florida State. His recruitment should be something interesting to watch. Dante Fowler looks to be solid to Florida State; Leonard Williams is the only wildcard that may change things.
- Dorial Green-Beckham- FSU is not in the race for this receiver from Missouri. His brother is very sick and he wants to stay closer to Arkansas. That means Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, etc. Not FSU.
- Leonard Williams- Many people thought Florida State was done at DE. Perhaps not. Leonard showed out at the Under Armour game, and looks to be an Auburn-Florida-Florida State battle. Experts are saying Auburn at this point.
- Andrus Peat- One of the more intriguing players in this class. Although at first glance you question why a kid from Arizona with a brother at Nebraska would go to FSU, there is some interest here. Peat's grandparents surprisingly live in Tallahassee. FSU still isn't the favorite to get Peat, that's probably Nebraska, but it's not impossible for Peat to be a Nole come signing day. And there is no question that FSU would take him if he wants in. 1/4/12 update: Corey Long of ESPN.com is reporting he plans to visit FSU the weekend of January 20th. Most believe Nebraska leads at this point.
- Jameis Winston- is a Nole. There's no talk of him switching to hometown Alabama. There's no visits scheduled to Florida State yet (that are known of), but there are none to Alabama either. No need to worry about this point. As mentioned below, he will official visit January 20th.
- Mario Pender - from all our sources, he's enrolled and attending classes. There is no need to worry about Tennessee.
- Ronald Darby- Five star Notre Dame decommitment from Maryland. Should be a FSU-Clemson battle. Rumor has it that Florida State leads because of their track program, and he wants to play with WR Marvin Bracy (fastest high school runner ever).
- AJ Leggett- will enroll at Marshall. He's not coming to Florida State, where he would've been a sign and place.
- Early Enrollees- JUCO OL Daniel Glauser, RB Mario Pender, P Cason Beatty
Official Visits
1/13/2011
WR Nelson Agholor
OT Menelik Watson- Juco OT who has been playing football for only a year. One of the best athletes you will find on the offensive line, but is just learning the game.
DE Mario Edwards
QB Sean Maguire
TE Christo Kourtzidis
LB Markuss Eligwe
WR Ricardo Louis
DB Colin Blake
DB Ronald Darby
Note: Dr Krop Athlete Johnnie Durante and CB Colin Blake are working on setting up official visits. More info on Blake here
1/20/2012
OL Andrus Peat
LB Josh Clemons
QB Jameis Winston
Update 1/16
- Added the 2012 recruiting board.
- Florida State's minimum needs
Please keep in mind that it is unlikely all of these players will qualify. FSU is unlikely to enroll 25 players or anything like that.
QB Sean Maguire
QB Jameis Winston
RB Delmarick "Mario" Pender
WR Marvin Bracy
TE Christo Kourtzidis
1 RB/WR/TE
OL Daniel Glauser
OL
OL (Optional)
DE Dante Fowler, Jr.
DE Chris Casher
DE Mario Edwards, Jr.
DT Dalvon Stuckey
DT Justin Shanks
DL?
LB Markuss Eligwe
LB ?
DB P. J. Williams
DB (Optional)
1-2 DB/LB/DL
K Roberto Aguayo
P Cason Beatty
credit: TimScribble, caine115, fsugrizz.
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AJ Leggett, Ronald Darby, Leonard Williams added.
The rest are updated in bold (except DGB who obviously is not going to FSU).
All I want for NSD is Eddie Goldman...
The app makes it so much easier to navigate than last year
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 9:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I know, right??
the way this one is going, we will be on a new thread before the night is over
"Recruiting is like shaving. You better do it everyday or you will look like a bum"
Well done DA
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Might want to add that Glauser and Beatty are confirmed EEs as well
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks man
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
The ESPN150 is coming out today
if you guys need my help updating the recruiting chart with the updated rankings, I have a free week.
I think we are waiting till closer to signing day for a new one, or until signing day.
I have the old ones still saved and can update them quickly, so no worries there. After the 150 comes out, I might go ahead and update them one last time till signing day. That will be the final rivals and final 150, I think. I believe 247 might have already had it’s last one also.
Closing strong?
Is it still called “closing strong” if we started strong? I call it a Nole finish!! Is it Sept yet??
the coaches are definitely putting in the work on the road
lots of visits all over the country
Championship!
Is there anything behind the Eddie Goldman to Auburn rumors?
or is it AU trying to stir the pot.
Mainly pot stirring
But I am sure Van Gorder is in his ear and that dude is a good recruiter.
I still think Goldman to FSU
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
If you want to call it a battle, sure.
Personally, I would give us 3 chances in 4 to land Goldman at this point.
Odell has put in massive amounts of overtime on this one and anything short of an Austin Marvin-type “screw you” at the last minute here would be a shocker.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
This is correct
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Marvin Austin type "screw you"
In hindsight, that worked out pretty well for OH. Gotta think he cracked a devilish grin when the NCAA sat Austin’s ass down. Schadenfreude at it’s finest.
FWIW
ESPN reported on their website yesterday that Goldman has shut down all recruiting contact and will make an announcement on NSD. They interpreted this to mean that he has made up his mind, and doesn’t want anymore salesmanship from recruiters.
Oh I guarantee you he will still take calls
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
This might be the longest we've goine without a commitment in years
Calm before the storm or reason for concern?
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
I was just about to post something similar.
Is the possibility of any verbal commitments coming our way before signing day gets here?
If life gives you lemons, go ahead and watch some FSU football.
Not concerning whatsoever
Watch for Northrup after his visit this weekend
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Where has he been on our board throughout the recruiting process?
Is he a “backup plan” due to our failure to lure JHC and Brown, etc? Is he a guy we should be excited about as a possible contributor/starter?
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
I don't think
he was expected to quite have the Sr. season he had (165 tackles 39 1/2 for loss). I think FSU was probably a bit guilty of underestimating him a bit coupled with the fact that we were fine taking just Eligwe before Jenkins’ issues popped up. Northrup said himself that FSU didn’t really pursue all that hard even after the offer and have only done so as of late (He sounded glad that this was the case). To put it in perspective: Northrup did very well for himself on the field this year and was considered by SOME to be neck and neck with Noor Davis as the best HS LB in Florida this year (Admittedly down year, but still).
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 19, 2012 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
Also
I’m not the biggest fan of JHC. Too many unknowns
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 19, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
Some people in the know seem to think it's a done deal.
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Well said
Northrup definitely isn’t a backup plan
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
DA2 1/20 visit list
Casher
Shanks
bracy
Winston
clemons
Northrup
Peat
another BIg weekend
no whammies, go Noles!!
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I hate that this is a list of mostly "maybe's" getting together.
It would be better if there were more “absolutelies” in that list who could gin up excitement and work on the others. Too much potential for negative influence/persuasion by those who may be leaning toward other schools. But I’m sure Winston will do his part.
by PeachTreeNole on Jan 19, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Winston/Bracy/Shanks/Casher/Northrup seems like a great recruiting team.
All recruiting Peat and Clemons….
Not sure what maybes you are talking about other than JHC and Peat?
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those who haven't verbaled yet or at least said the Noles lead.
by PeachTreeNole on Jan 19, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, ok so Winston/Bracy/Shanks/Casher - all verbals, all with Nole leads.
And look for a commit from Northrup after this weekend…
So, again, great group of kids recruiting 2 “reaches”
Not sure how much better you could set that up?
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I am slipping
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
good to hear- I hadn't heard that.
Probably because I’m not obsessing on recruiting this year.
5::2 is indeed a pretty good ratio!
by PeachTreeNole on Jan 19, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
and btw
thanks for settin’ me straight on this! I feel better , doctor :)
by PeachTreeNole on Jan 19, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
“DA2 1/20 visit list
Casher
Shanks
bracy
Winston
clemons
Northrup
Peat”
Well I saw Casher do just assuming, and yes serious.
Casher committed to FSU in January of 2011.
by flfisher1423 on Jan 19, 2012 5:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
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Small tidbit on MEJr
“It’s a love-fest now, this recruiting game,” Webb said. “It’s handshakes and pats on the back and people telling you how good you are, how important you are to them and how bad they want you. You take those recruiting visits and you get treated like a king. For those kids who are early commits, they miss out on all that stuff.”
Edwards certainly hasn’t. He’s taken many visits and soon will get visits from coaches from Florida State, Texas and LSU, who will come to his home to make their final pitches. But Edwards also is quick to point out that he has never decommitted, and despite it all, his word is still good.
Sanders spent time with Edwards during UT’s banquet weekend. Hung around him a lot, actually. He thinks he knows what the No. 1 defensive end in the nation will do when he reaches the finish line.
“I think he’ll stay with his school,” Sanders said. “He loved Texas. We had a good time up there on his visit. But I think he’ll probably stay with his school.”
And though he’d love to play with him, Sanders wouldn’t blame Edwards. Forget the scorn, the critics, the recruiters. These days, a recruit has to do what a recruit has to do.
“And it don’t really mean nothing,” Sanders said. “Until you sign on the dotted line.”
is Northrup worth adding to the top?
"We have to start over. We have to develop our own identity, our own chemistry, our own unity, our own vision of where we want to go...This is just the beginning. Because remember one thing – I tell you all the time: Boys do what they want to do. Champions do what they’ve got to do. " CJF
Not the same amount of questions as you get on other prospects
Like the “Finebaum had a guest that said Winston would end up at Bama or Ohio State, WHAT’S HAPPENING”
On that front, Luginbill said it was Bama/Auburn/OSU/MLB for Winston.
Bama fan forums are saying this about Winston: think he sticks with FSU, Craig is a thorn in their side, Jimbo’s a good recruiter, FSU is setting up to be a power, and Jimbo is a good head coach who hit a few rough licks.
Weird to see Bama fans talk nice about anyone.
Contrary to popular belief
I have always felt there was a mutual respect between Bama/FSU.
Aside from the Bowden flirtation over the years, I think they took notice when Auburn bought their way out of the game against us.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Oh, and Luginbill doesn't know what he is talking about.
At all
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
He was all over TheMarchTo85 on twitter yesterday
Seems like a dick.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 9:10 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Tom Lemming
Is the world’s worst. Luginbill is a saint compared to Lemming IMO
"Recruiting is like shaving. You better do it everyday or you will look like a bum"
Yup
He’s been known to pressure recruits into naming ND as one of their schools, prior to interviews
"Recruiting is like shaving. You better do it everyday or you will look like a bum"
IDK what happened here
He’s been known to pressure recruits into naming ND as one of their schools, prior to interviews
"Recruiting is like shaving. You better do it everyday or you will look like a bum"
I've heard
that he pressures recruits into naming ND as one of their schools, prior to interviews…
by Airboat Nole 220 on Jan 20, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Who did the testing if you don't mind me asking
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 9:14 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
In all fairness though
We really wanted Trent Richardson, so I’m not sure we were really the ones who broke the truce.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Yay for Jimbo :)
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Were not a real threat
or haven’t been in forever. UA doesn’t play us on a regular basis and most fans don’t follow the recruiting battle closely. I call it a lateral move. You can root for both teams because they aren’t in the same conference and there is no real rivalry there.
Plus, when we were played in Jacksonville, it was a great experience for the UA fans and there was mutual respect on both sides.
by tuscaloosa-nole on Jan 19, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Christo to visit Texas?
Any truth to that one or any concerns. He seems solid to FSU.
Yes, he is visiting Texas.
Late push here by the Horns, but who can blame them? Christo is a great player.
On his official visit this last weekend, Christo reaffirmed his commitment to the coaches. I would not worry about this much at all.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Love me some Christo.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
Me too dude.
Can’t wait to see him smash up some LB’s and corners on options and screens :)
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
No concerns
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
paaaauuuuu
Cali guys usually already know a guy named Austin that they reaally like
"Recruiting is like shaving. You better do it everyday or you will look like a bum"
Honestly, I can see that trip not even happening. It's more an afterthought than anything on Texas' part.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
I'm ready for Christo to sign already
Having his dad post at 247 was a lot of fun. Pretty sharp fella
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Corn - was that atgreek?
If so, yea, he was a hoot to listen to.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Yeah, that was him.
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by EnterTheOcho on Jan 19, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, yeah
He had NO bones about telling people how stupid they were. He dialed it down a little, but when people started in on “Recruits hate Trickett, He runs them off, blah blah blah”…he let ’em have it.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Any idea if his dad plans to watch the games with Orange County boosters?
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 19, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
northrup vs eligwe
who do you guys think is better? wondering because eligwe was ok in the army game, didn’t really look special.
Don't judge a player on one all star game
Eligwe is a damn good prospect at LB. has all the ability to be an all conference player
by SarasotaSeminole on Jan 19, 2012 9:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eligwe
One of the best LB in the nation
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 9:13 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
All-Star games are usually dominated by Defensive lineman also.
Linebackers get overshadowed or do not get to be in on a lot of plays.
Eligwe hands down
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Consider this.
During the Under Armor game thread, many commenters thoughts Mario Edwards Jr looked “slow off the ball”, “fat”, and said things like “he really didn’t do much”
Later in the month, 247 sports has him ranked as their number one player in the country.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
BTW what's up with Kwon
staying in state?
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
I kinda think he goes to Auburn
Feel bad for the kid, because of the injury, and seeing how Saban just basically cut that poor RB that committed months ago…no telling what went down.
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Kwon is said to be waiting on a Bama offer
that may or may not come. LSU and Auburn are his other options
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 19, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
If MEjr draws double teams he will be a success imo
one on ones for TJ, Casher, Tank, German, Jenkins, Fowler, etc. etc.
He will be a beat though.
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The really sick part is
I don’t know that MEJ would be my first priority to double on that list.
For their sake, I hope our opponents have at least one OL-sized TE
Papaua Ukeme?
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by CornNole on Jan 19, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I liked it.
It’s a candidate for a new award next year—“funniest comment that probably had no business being funny.”
Would it be offensive
to ask for a pronunciation notation on some of the names in our recruit list?
For instance:
Nelson Agholor
Menelik Watson
Christo Kourtzidis
Markuss Eligwe (or is it Ukeme?)
Jameis Winston (i’ve heard Jameis pronounced at least 3 different ways)
Would come in handy when I’m discussing recruiting with my buds.
Thanks to everyone who contributes here – this site is really something special.
I can help on a few.
Jameis sounds like Jame-Us.
Christo sounds like Cree-Stow Court-zy-dis
Markuss sounds like Marcus A-league-way
Nelson sounds like Ag-ha-lore (this one Im not positive on)
Dont konw about Watson.
But I think that is how those are pronounced.
Pretty sure Christo is
Court-zee-this or close to it. Thought that’s what his dad said.
This is correct
Tim is correct about Nelson as well, or that’s how Vogt always pronounced it.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Eligwe
Per his own twitter, like a month ago
E-league-way
by flfisher1423 on Jan 19, 2012 10:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think it's Watt-sun.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Jan 19, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Ha!
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
LOL! Needed that. Thanks Frank.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 19, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Fro
Chiefs Alumnus 2005-2008
by TheMarchingChief on Jan 19, 2012 9:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd love to ask EA Sports a similar question...
DreadsForEveryone!
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by TheMarchingChief on Jan 19, 2012 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
From what I've heard on TV
Nelson “Ag-go-lore”
“Men-a-leak” Watson
Christo “Court-zigh-dis”
Markuss “Uh-league-way”
“Jay-miss” Winston
Chiefs Alumnus 2005-2008
by TheMarchingChief on Jan 19, 2012 9:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Media guide
They always show how to pronounce, but that is after they sign. Looks like someone ESPN, RIVALS, 247 or someone would come out with this, they certainly come out with every rumor.
ahaha
this is funny, more please.
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A couple more
Since you asked….
Daniel “Glaow-zer” NOT gloss-er
Roberto “A-gway-yo” NOT a-goo-eh-yo
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by TheMarchingChief on Jan 19, 2012 10:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And
“Bud EL-Lee-ott”
“Frank Dee Nole”
“Doctor Kennith Noiz H2O”
I think
by Nolegrad89 on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Pam/Pan/P-A-M-N...
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Travis Blanks 4 star DB Tallahassee
I have not been keeping up but how did we miss out on this guy in our own back yard? He is Clemson’s highest recruit.
It was talked about in the last thread
That local kids to a college, tend to want to move away.
I still am not sure about this.
In this specific case, that’s the reason; however, the way you’re saying it now makes it seem as if it were a general rule.
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by STAquinasNole on Jan 19, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Didnt mean it to sound like an absolute.
Was just trying to paraphrase what was said in the last thread.
Outside of what was mentioned
It was rumored that he simply had no interest in FSU.
Oh well
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Not to mention, some found him to be overrated when the process started
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Clem$on will alway$ be Clem$on before (and after) they get caught again.
And some kids just want to venture out into the world a bit. You can’t keep them all at home.
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No way. Bellamy is the highest.
Kites don’t even come close.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 19, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He made it very clear he wanted to go OOS for school
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
DA, small correction
in the Winston section up top, you list that there is no FSU visit that is known for Winston,, but he is listed under this weekend’s visitors.
Minimum expectations for NSD
My goals:
A. Keep all 12 of our current verbals (3 EE’d already)
2. Darby and Goldman (FSU leans)
D.1 OL and 1 LB
Everything else would just be gravy.
Thoughts?
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by TheMarchingChief on Jan 19, 2012 10:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I like this
But am thinking we might be some gravy afterall.
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FSU
I love your understatement. You either know something (I suspect this to be the case) or else you are very clever. Love to read your posts.
Visa offering a new LSU credit card...
Les Miles…no points
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by CornNole on Jan 19, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
There's no way you just came up with that
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 19, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Well regardless
that’s still hilarious!
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 19, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
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Can’t believe I got in, just glad I’m a good interviewer.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 19, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Actually the grad and doctoral programs are in Atlanta
so I actually miss decent BBQ lol.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 19, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Nice man congrats.
I’m in my last semester, then year of rotations and a residency. I’m ready to be done!
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We are lucky to have her here at TN!
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by Nattylite on Jan 19, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FSU, how about a mock class from you like 3 days before NSD?
by TimScribble on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
never do mock classes, because I’ve learned (from Bud) there’s no such thing as “silents” … just highly probables
I will have my mock class completed by 8am, Feb 2nd.
Stay tuned!
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by Nattylite on Jan 19, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Boo, Hiss or something like that.
Thanks for all your input here.
by TimScribble on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
THIS
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Like this line of thinking.
Also wouldn’t mind adding Ricardo Louis if we are recruiting him at safety. Lamarcus is probably one more and done, so this position will be a priority for 2013.
by FSUActuary on Jan 19, 2012 10:35 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I say we finish with:
Goldman, Peat , Blake, Darby, Reggie Northrup, Watson, Louis (gives us 22)
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I agree minus Peat, and possible Blake.
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I'm holding out hope on Keelin Smith being that guy
We don’t know it yet because he has the real thing starting in front ofhim
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sounds like we are pretty much on the same page
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Agree. Darby and Goldman, Hold everyone we've got, and for D. Watson and Northrup?
There’s always some sort of disappointment on NSD. Last year it was Steward. Year before Lemonier, etc.
I think we can hold. Maybe whiff on either Darby or Goldman, but not both.
I have no hope at all for Agholor, Peat, or Howard.
If any of them somehow happen, I will be through the roof.
I'm not optimistic about Agholor, but I don't think it's a done deal.
I’ve seen some buzz post-visit that said if he doesn’t pick USC (which is, admittedly, his likely choice) he’s no longer a lock to Go Gata.
We could pull him.
Sounds like Watson, Northrup, Goldman and Darby to me.
Throw in Louis, Williams and Blake as possible NSD surprises.
Throw in Howard, Peat and Agholor as outside surprises.
by SimaNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:42 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Although all of those put us at 22 if you adjust out EE’s
by SimaNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
We can fit 22 if they are that caliber
remember we lost Avis and Arrington. I’m sure some others will be gone in the near future (graduate, transfer, Jimbostrate/Jimbosize)
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Exactly. All of those guys have a spot so all of them are at least possible. Would that be the biggest close in history if we land them all? …not saying we do of course.
by SimaNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well stated
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Newest thing on ESPN Recruiting about Winston
With signing day rapidly approaching there are certainly plenty of storylines out there. One of the big questions is regarding Jameis Winston (Hueytown, Ala./Hueytown), the nation’s top ranked quarterback.
Will he stick with his commitment and sign with Florida State or will he stay home and play for Alabama?
"I don’t ask Jameis much about what’s going on but I did the other day," said Matt Scott, Hueytown’s coach. "I don’t think he’s feeling it 100 percent with either team. He’s says he’s committed to Florida State, but I also know he’s strongly considering Alabama."
Winston made official visits to both LSU and Alabama during the season. He will visit Florida State (Jan. 20) this weekend after visiting Stanford last weekend.
It is very likely that Winston will not sign on signing day because he will be in Texas, his coach said. Scott said they don’ t have a date of when Winston will sign his national letter of intent.
"I would imagine it will be the day after he gets back," Scott said. "But I am not even sure what that day is yet."
First, I’m sure this always comes up, but I hate reading it the closer we get, is there really any chance of him wavering? I feel like baseball would be the biggest concern.
Second, should we expect him not to sign on NSD and pull a Terrell Pryor? Again, assuming he is FSU bound.
If life gives you lemons, go ahead and watch some FSU football.
His coach has always wanted him to go to Bama.
I think we solidify an already solid Winston this weekend.
Nobody is ever 100%. Ever.
They may be something ridiculous like 99.9% or something like that, but there is always a chance something can happen. That’s called life.
This looks like a bunch of coach speak that helps ESPN hype the recruiting season.
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As long as the OV isnt a cluster, should absolutely be OK. He just has to ‘survive’ being in Bama until he signs. He’s getting inundated and the new OC is very good too.
Just good
:) :)
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This x 100
I live in Alabama (transplant) and I can assure you that this is the type of story that sells subscriptions to these gumps.
The tweet that had the link had the ($) in it.
I have ESPN insider so I dunno if it’s premium or not.
GD Texas and
their no FAX machines, what kind state they running over there…..
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Who uses fax machines with all the new technology?
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 19, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Will they be able to scan a PDF and email one day?
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 19, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
The preference for fax is because not everyone has access to scanners and it gives a definite time stamp both ways. The NLI has two places where the prospect and their parents size date and give the time when they sign. If it’s before 7:00a its invalid.
Regardless the actual paperwork has to arrive to the school – The Fax just allows the school to certify that the name is in and not filed by another school earlier. There is always the scare of simultaneous email, I suppose. (sent to two schools at same time and arriving simultaneously) Even a fax sent to two places arrived slightly differently [seconds] on older fax machines.
The reason I ask is that faxes are becoming obsolete in private industry.
For one, they are difficult to read, and A.) they waste paper.
I am sure someone can figure out how to get it done.
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"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 19, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Just trying to prevent the generation gap from getting wider.
Sorry to get OT.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 19, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
It's not a generation gap
It’s the Grand Canyon!
Do Eligwe and Northrup play the same LB spot?
I know they are both outside linebackers, but not sure if they would be on the field at the same time at FSU. If Northrup came here.
Northrup is being recruited at MLB
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
In High School I believe(90% sure) Northrup played MLB while 2013 Daniel McMillian played WLB. Eligwe played out of position this year, playing QB, due to his athletic skills. From an athletic standpoint Eligwe might be the most athletic LB we have recruited the past 3 years and that includes James Wilder. He timed a faster 40 and vertical jump then Telvin Smith, James Wilder, Terrence Smith etc., but he also plays up to these times on the field. Eligwe is up to around 225-228lbs already(good weight, not fat). Due to his athletic skills, football IQ, and size to be at 240lbs he could play any position imo. I view him as coming in as a OLB/WLB.
So to answer your question Northrup I see as a MLB and Eligwe as a OLB.
by Michael@TN on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like CJ7's heir apparent
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
MICHAEL!
Welcome back I haven’t seen you post in seemingly forever. I was literally going through withdrawals.
by 603_Nole on Jan 19, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec because I'm in the same boat.
We missed your expert analysis!
by seminoleballer on Jan 19, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
what was his 40 and vert?
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by cerebralfish on Jan 19, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
4.69 40
4.22 shuttle(impressive quickness)
33" VJ
Eligwe plays up to these times on the field which matters most.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/combine/_/id/89132/ukeme-eligwe
This was taken almost a year ago so one could say that Eligwe is faster/quicker now. To compare
Tony Steward 4.71 40
James Wilder 4.71 40
Telvin Smith 4.76 40 30 inch VJ
I didn't realize JWJ had a 4.7 40...makes the case for him moving to LB all the more viable.
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It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 19, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think Beverly
was running a 4.98 out of high school and he’s on our depth chart at RB. Pretty depressing. I know a lot more plays into RB than a 40 time, but a 5 sec 40? ewww.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 19, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
well not to mention when you are known you being a north/south runner (JWJ)...can't help that are posting a 4.6 or greater 40...
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 19, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Meant Telvin Smith
To my knowledge Terrance didn’t attend any major(NUC/Nike/UnderArmour etc)combines while in high school.
With that being said.
One of the big reasons I want Reggie Northrup is to have a shot at McMillan as well…6’3, 225 and hits like a Mac Truck. Hopefully landing Northrup will help with DM in 2013
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Love our chances with DMac no matter what happens with Northrup
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
why this happen
winston did not get his 5th star and fell to 14 in the 150. casher fell to 22
by Kennett Luxama on Jan 19, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions
Winston’s performance in UA game
by SimaNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I mean listen… we talkin about practice. not a game. not a game. not a game. we talkin about practice. not a not not not da game. we talkin about practice.
by SimaNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think Winston didnt do well the first few days of practice.
by TimScribble on Jan 19, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was funny to see the analysts scramble for explanations.
They demoted the MVP of the high school allstar game, based on practice.
There was lots, and lots of backlash over that one..
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Did any of you see me ride JC on the main boards and Nole 247 board over it?
lol
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
I respect JC for hanging in there.
He manned up and admitted why they dropped him. He said they didn’t think he was a 5* QB to begin with, and it was “their bad”.
He made some salient points. Said Winston did not have Vince Young legs, or a Stafford arm, and didn’t have quite the numbers as some past 5 stars.
I didn’t see enough regular season film to agree or disagree, but at least he addressed the issues with the subscribers one by one.
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and probably a MLB contract unfortunately.
I believe i saw some quotes saying something like “1st round, I go…after that then we’ll see”
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I think the ESPN 150 has been updated. FSU looks good again. All our remaining targets look to be in the 150 as well unless I missed someone.
by SimaNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:00 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Couple of things
CB Colin Blake will decide on Feb 1st now. I still haven’t caught up to him since he has talked to new Texas A&M DC Mark Snyder. Texas A&M just received another top CB commit in former Oklahoma commit Devante Harris. As I said in the previous thread after talking with him after his visit he loves how FSU uses Xavier Rhodes and coaching stability at FSU.
Very good chance of FSU landing either Ronald Darby or Colin Blake. It also wouldn’t surprise me if FSU took both if they wanted in since they are completely different players. Blake is a versatile athlete who can play any position in the secondary. Darby is a cover corner who is a little raw but has fantastic hips and speed. I don’t see both committing to FSU though. Both players have always liked FSU, as we first reported Blake wanted FSU to be his first Official back in August(later committed to A&M) and Darby has always liked FSU. Great job by the FSU staff staying in contact and pushing hard after other FSU CB target is leaning towards another school.
I also caught up with FSU DT commit Dalvon Stuckey who I will have a write up on later. Little info from interview, he said Coach Odell expects him in this class, claims a 2.9 core GPA after winter semester, he is not sure of his test scores. I also talked to him about playing in Cowboy Stadium for the OD-Bowl, and how he clicked with FSU commit P.J. Williams during the week.
OT: I’m moving this week so limited access to internet and I also lost most of my contacts from breaking my phone, so I’m working on getting those back so we will have more content leading up to NSD.
by Michael@TN on Jan 19, 2012 12:10 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Ah good to see a Michael@TN update
Thx for all you and the rest of the staff do. I’m mostly a lurker on these threads, but I read them voraciously. I like the lack of Pollyanna atmosphere here.
I expect the next two weeks to be a circus and am starved for hard news like I’m sure the rest of us are.
by CelticPride on Jan 19, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I know out of all times of moving it happens with NSD coming up which is like the Super Bowl week of recruiting
I might have to kill my GF
#Joking
And you're one of my most "trustworthy" sources :)
I know nothing’s ever 100% until they sign the dotted line. But you tend to have
A) realistic projections who’s interested in coming
2) actual correspondence with the people involved in the recruiting process
D) a clear concept of who’s actually good.
It’s like liquid gold :)
by CelticPride on Jan 19, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I don’t have to sell subs which is key. I don’t try to slant information to make a prospect seem more interested in FSU. Like one example is the Juco WR Courtney Gardner interview that we did. I could have left out that Arkansas was his leader(This was before he committed) but I wanted our readers to have all the facts even if it’s not what they want to hear.
How can one be "unsure" of what one's test scores are when those test scores directly affect one's chance at a successful career
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
It's January.
It is entirely possible that he took his tests recently and hasn’t received his scores yet.
by flfisher1423 on Jan 19, 2012 12:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
But he has taken a test before the Spring of his Senior year, yes?
Meaning he has some idea about how he’s doing (especially if he felt the need to retake). I’m just pointing out he gave an evasive answer. Don’t want people to gloss over that, especially when there have been concerns about this particular prospect for a while.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
True.
But if he hasn’t qualified on previous attempts and hasn’t received his most recent scores he is still unsure, no?
by flfisher1423 on Jan 19, 2012 2:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
FWIW
The “other” FSU sites that are reporting that Dalvon won’t get in are saying that it’s his Grades being the issue and not his test scores(I believe).
He is a kid and sometimes they don’t understand how important these things are even when Coaches/Family emphasize how important it is. Now I’m not saying that’s the case here, I just asked him once about his test scores/grades.
I just read somewhere, don’t remember where, that he has a 2.9 GPA
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by SteadfastNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Is this sarcasm?
I can’t tell anymore?
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
-H.L. Mencken
Wasn't meaning to imply anything about you or your work Michael
Moreso wanted to make sure our fans didn’t read this, think we’re good to go then get shocked if he doesn’t make it.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I know
Sometimes that happens look at D.J Johnson who I believe told most recruiting services at the time his grades were fine, so it does happen.
Another very simple information
Is that recruits aren’t always truthful about grades, offers, etc. Who wants to admit to ANYONE that they may not get in? I wouldn’t.
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This is true
Especially on the offer part although some blame can go on college coaching staffs saying they have an offer coming which never shows up. High School coaches are to blame to because they will tell a service hey my guy just picked up an Alabama offer(get prospect more exposure) and you know other colleges pay attention to what colleges offer kids.
Not saying Dalvon is doing this because even his HC has come out to say he has good grades, but it does happen.
Arizona is trying hard to land him
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
That’d be a great spot for him.
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I agree
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like the new ESPN rankings are out
Mario still #1
Goldman dropped to #10
I dont remember where our recruits were ranked last time. Thoughts?
Guy on a Buffalo
Fowler dropped significantly
Odd because I heard he did well at the UA week
by newdynastynole on Jan 19, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, and I just saw that Eligwe took a huge fall
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by SteadfastNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
He had a good showing at the UA game. I wonder how much stock they are putting into that single performance for these new rankings.
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by SteadfastNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
but but but
Did you see that TD grab??
by FSUActuary on Jan 19, 2012 1:24 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Might have been the sleeves he was wearing...
Lots of kids fumbled in that game (I think he all had the sleeves FWIW)
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My thoughts are that ESPN loses a little credibility
in terms of objectivity based on how it’s married to the SEC.
by CelticPride on Jan 19, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
In all seriousness, and don't get me wrong, I do follow recruiting, but
what difference does it make if one of our stud commits drops a few spots? If he fits our system and our coaches are sold on him, that’s all that matters, right?
Ranking is only an ego thing, once you’re talking about the top guys.
I think all 15 of our recruits should be ranked in the top 10
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by SteadfastNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
its true. I have to believe a lot of these sites use school offers and coach evaluations as part of the basis for their evaluations … cough ESPN…
Then they throw out a whole years worth of evaluations on one game.
by SimaNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It matters to a huge number of supposedly grown ass fans.
I’m with you. You’d have thought JC Shurbutt had shot Dameyune Craig in the face after Winston dropped a star. Unbelievable backlash…complete with accountants telling the director of national scouting for 247sports that he “had no idea what he was talking about”.
It was hilarious.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Unfortunately ...
it’s that type of backlash that drives sites to overinflate guys … it makes the fan bases happier.
I like that Kiel dropped from 20 to 52
the clowns at 247 have it ass backwards dropping winston and bumping Kiel to a 5 *
Yeah I agree
247 is weird with their rankings and the guys that run the main site are a bit lazy in their research. Their FSU board is great though, their mods do some work.
by zewhitedevil on Jan 19, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Kourtzidos
He will NOT be OV Texas now! Great News! He is one big strong dude! Really glad to have him in this class!
Obsessed with Seminole football!!
Ha. More of TX doesn’t know what to do with out of state kids primarily. I thought the kid would take a free trip to 6th St though
He only wears seminoles gear
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by SteadfastNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes Christo doesn’t appreaciate you calling them “noles”.
by zewhitedevil on Jan 19, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
saw that
good thing I’m on my free 30 days…lol
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 19, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Remember though
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Just a heads up.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 19, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
hopefully its good news
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by SteadfastNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
he just posted MEJ has eliminated a school and is down to 2
Just a title no premium info. I like how he still eliminates schools even though he is allegedly committed.
by nole your enemy on Jan 19, 2012 1:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
That's big for us.
They seemed like the only other option.
by flash_kiley on Jan 19, 2012 2:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Reg Northrup
I got $100 says he flips to us. How could he not? Why would he stay at that wasteland? Gonna be a Nole!
Obsessed with Seminole football!!
We've been saying it for a while...
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Grew up a Nole
Loves the Noles, was not happy he didn’t get a commit able offer at first, that will change this weekend.
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As stated previously... circumstances changed
With the loss of Arrington Jenkins and other LB prospects most likely headed elsewhere, our staff wanted a 2nd LB in this class and felt he was our best shot at filling that spot.
Not many of them
I could see Northrup, maybe Darby, maybe Watson.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
It's a rumor that's going around. I wouldn't put a ton of stock into the whole notion of silents
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Darby done with visits
and will choose between us, Auburn and Notre Dame
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20120118/PSPORTS02/120119682/-1/PSPORTS
Thank you for posting this.
Elimination of Clemson, without even coming out and saying it?
I like it :)
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We win :)
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I really hope you're right NT&T. Like I said last night, we need this guy!
I like Blake, but given the choice, Darby all day.
I mentioned this last thread.
I think we land darby and blake….I think howard goes to da gata.
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I believe if we dont get blake
then we put the full court press on simon (if his grades are okay)
I think he ends up at OU though
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Doubt it, our coaches haven't spoken with him for some time
Could potentially influence where Louis ends up if he comes here though
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
*if Louis comes here and Blake doesn't, that is
But I think coaches would be fine with a DB class of Williams and Darby with Louis an option.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think louis would commit with the intention of getting a shot at WR..
think this is inaccurate to assume?
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Not at all and I hope he plays WR if he comes to FSU
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Louis is a freak athlete who would be a great pick up at S/WR
With that said he has improved so much this year at WR. I really feel his Senior film at WR is the best I have seen in the state of Florida. Talking about a kid who ran a sub 4.55 at over 200lbs a year ago.
Good stuff ...
Didn’t hear much about him until the OV a week ago …
Agreed!
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine the size, strength, and speed of the entire group of WRs.
Opposing defenses should/probably will actually fear our receivers.. This gives me some sort of sick, sadistic joy.
It’ll be a nice change from only a couple of seasons ago.
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I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 19, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
When I say fear
I mean in the bump zone. Gonna see some strong moves against the press.
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I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 19, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Blake really hadn't said much publicly lately so we not have much to go on from him
Michael is gonna catch up with him though. Would be a big steal.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I know this is an outside shot, but I hadnt heard Kwon Alexander's name in quite a while
I know he was considered to be a Bama lean, but I do remember hearing that he was supposed to visit and that Winston and Eligwe were working on him some. Hadnt heard any update, assuming this means he is Bama bound? Would be more than happy with Northrup instead, but Kwon is a damn good player too
He will stay in state, my guess is Auburn atm
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Mock Class (maxes us out at 21)
QB Sean Maguire
QB Jameis Winston
RB Delmarick "Mario" Pender (EE)
WR Marvin Bracy
WR Ricardo Louis
TE Christo Kourtzidis
OL Daniel Glauser (EE)
OL Melenik Watson
DE Dante Fowler, Jr.
DE Chris Casher
DE Mario Edwards, Jr.
DT Dalvon Stuckey (sign and place)
DT Justin Shanks
DT Eddie Goldman
LB Markuss Eligwe
LB Reggie Northrup
DB P. J. Williams
DB Ronald Darby
DB Colin Blake
K Roberto Aguayo
P Cason Beatty (EE)
**Signing day bonus: Leonard Williams. I think we make room here if Leonard wants in the class late in the game.
I know I said Feb 2nd, but today was such a good day I couldn’t resist.
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by Nattylite on Jan 19, 2012 4:28 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I concur with this class 100%.
Have a feeling about Leonard Williams. Not sure why. Just really seems like he wants in.
I’m not 100% on Ricardo Louis, but I really would love to have him in this class. I’m 50/50 on him and Agholor. If Agholor doesn’t commit to USC after his visit, I think we have a legit shot.
Agholor is closer than he was a week ago, but still a long shot imo.
Love our chances with Louis!
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
yeah I think Agholor is this year's C. Lowney. many people thought we had a shot but in reality, not so much.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 19, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
No one who actually knew what they were talking about thought FSU had a legit shot at Clowney
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
lol notice my cryptic spelling i didn't want to alert the authorities...you say "no one" but its the same situation with NA
he has never been real high on FSU and even during his visit and remarks there after was appreciative but not coming away saying anything that would lend credence to anything that people have been saying on here.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 19, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Wow dude, this looks really good. I will post mine next week but it's going to look very similar to yours!
Rec!
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Preciatecha brutha mayne. :)
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Mine would be the exact same if I did it today...
no need to now. I think we land williams on NSD (late afternoon)
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Got any good info on Louis?
I like seeing him on this mock.
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by STAquinasNole on Jan 19, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
He loved his OV!
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Feel like there's more to be shared!
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by STAquinasNole on Jan 19, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
Basically, it gave FSU a real shot at flipping him. Our coaches have done well keeping up with him and FSU is definitely on his mind. He may also have concerns regarding Aubie replacing both coordinators.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think the connection with the players, recruits, coaches, and location will weigh heavily with him
I think he comes to FSU
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All depends on if he OVs to FSU
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yes please and thank you.
This is easily a top 5 class.
by FSUActuary on Jan 19, 2012 7:24 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Early Commits
If some of the big name guys on our radar that have made up their minds about coming to the future Nationole championship team would pull the trigger publically, they would persuade some of these other rock stars to commit too, DON’T THEY GET IT!!
Obsessed with Seminole football!!
Recruits talk dude
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
my thoughts exactly...just because it isn't infront of a camera or reporters doesnt mean it doesnt happen
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 19, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes it cuts both ways ...
We pull Williams if we were not already loaded on the Defensive Line (with Goldman still in the wings) … we might still do it, but it will be much harder.
What is the deal
with the Goldman to Auburn talk? Is there any reason to be worried? Then again, this is recruiting and anything can happen I guess.
by floridastateofmind on Jan 19, 2012 6:38 PM EST reply actions
Its the latest rumor
Van Gorder is a very good recruiter but FSU is still in excellent shape with him.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I always was worried about Auburn more then Alabama(said it since this summer). I put a lot of weight into player visits and Goldman has visited Auburn multiple times in the past year. His dad will have alot of weight to where he decides.
Has he visited us multiple times?
It seems like Auburn is just really making a push for him, is that accurate?
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
Yes, Goldman has visited FSU multiple times too.
Auburn been on him for awhile, he visited Auburn 3 times in the past 9 months. April, July, and November if I recall correctly.
Whoever his parents like most gets his sig on NSD imo.
Seems he has a really good rapport with O'dell
Is there any coach on Auburn he has that kind of rapport with? I ask because I would assume that if he has a great relationship with his position coach, you’d have to think his parents would push him in that direction.
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
His main recruiter Tommy Thigpen has a pretty good relationship from reports
Thigpen is known as an excellent recruiter and has landed 5 star players before including last year LB Kris Frost from NC. Personally I would give the edge to Odell since he is Goldman’s position coach, while I believe Thigpen coaches DB’s. It’s worth noting that Trooper Taylor is also helping with Thigpen recruit Goldman for Auburn.
Is it possible
to send the Ambassador of FSU Football, Robert Bowden, to meet with young Eddie’s parents???
"Recruiting is like shaving. You better do it everyday or you will look like a bum"
by Noleviedo on Jan 19, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec it up!!
Other than Garnet and Gold, green is my favorite color
"Recruiting is like shaving. You better do it everyday or you will look like a bum"
MEJ and class size question
1. Is LSU a serious contender for him? It seems like he had this list of schools and as he visits them he eliminates them and my guess is LSU is up next on the chopping block. Not really worried here just curious
2. If FSU gets its wish list of prospects the usual suspects that are named and Peat does come, will FSU clear room or pull an offer from someone? Interested in how they make room if it’s needed
by nole your enemy on Jan 19, 2012 7:36 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
yes. closer to home. No, lack of familiarity w/ their program, Baton Rouge & Louisiana
It will “work” itself out
Whatever happened to the 5* DE that wasnt any good
from GA, went to UGA
couple/few years ago.
"Sweet baby Jesus on Fire, I'm need of a damn lawyer and a miracle to pull my ass out of this."
Right I think
"Sweet baby Jesus on Fire, I'm need of a damn lawyer and a miracle to pull my ass out of this."
Injuries have hampered him and they've moved him around a bit on positions
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Today has been a good day for the seminoles but I can’t help but remembering that not only two weeks ago were people on here saying:
On Mario Edwards-
“why are we even recruiting him, he doesn’t want to come here”
“why can’t he just decommit already”
“we need to move on and get another DE”
Granted he hasn’t signed yet but if anyone wants to admit that they flew off the deep end and wants to repent, now is the time….
by bobbysura on Jan 19, 2012 7:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why Is Urban Meyer such a talent magnet?
There has to be a reason for his success.
45 days ago. OS was dead in the water, and now he has virtually stolen almost every top recruit he has. How ? Why?
People say..“He cannot be trusted”..Yet the top talent seems to do just that.
bobbysurra….you have my permarec!…FOR THINKING FOR YOUR SELF….:)
Ask yourself....
Were any admin/mods here saying that? No
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Just instant gratificationists I'm sure
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
ya know what they b,
if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one you hit!!!
"Recruiting is like shaving. You better do it everyday or you will look like a bum"
I'm guilty of saying I wouldn't be surprised if he decommited after the Wake game.
I never said I wanted him to.
All I want for NSD is Eddie Goldman...
Since Jameis is allegedly signing the day after signing day
will he not be factored into all of the class rankings on rivals, ESPN, etc? Not that it matters, but the publicity, especially from ESPN, on class rankings is nice.
Terrelle Pryor did the same thing, I think ESPN updated rankings after he signed.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 19, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I mean seriously why can't he just fax a LOIU on NSD? He plays a game that night. Big deal? Takes like 10 seconds to do.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
He’s committed to FSU, so its not like he’s not already factored in. The after signing day adjustments would only be needed if he hadn’t committed yet
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by SteadfastNole on Jan 19, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Besides Northrup.....
any other flips they may be breath taking?
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Madaris is staying up north, probably Michigan St
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure what you consider breath taking
Colin Blake is VERY interested in FSU and A&M is a mess right now. I will have a better feeling about him after I confirm how his in home with Snyder went.
Pretty sure that was worth taking, post auto-correct.
But I may be wrong, in which case it just sounds weird.
FSU Junior Day
Working on a list, but the Miami Columbus trio of RB Lorenzo Woodley(7 BCS offers), RB/CB Daryl Chestnut and WR Jesus Wilson are scheduled to attend. Wilson claims an FSU offer.
I haven't confirmed
I’m moving this week and lost a lot of my contacts from my phone so bear with me.
A verbal from Jesus would be good for a 6th star
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by CrimiNole Defense on Jan 19, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't he a receiver prospect out of Miami next year :)
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/me thinks perhaps we should be tracking USF
With the likelyhood that UM will loose some to USF
"Mel, yeah Mel Kiper Jr. He knows about as much about football as a Japanese space pilot." Rick Trickett
I've always wondered if some of the kids who sign with USF do it because they're dyslexic and really think the LOI says FSU
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
1. Announce that this is your first post on TN
2. Praise the staff and posters on how great they are
3. ?????
4. Rec’d.
DadGummit.
by KnoxvilleNole on Jan 19, 2012 8:39 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Eggplant. Follow correct A2D format.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
My apologies.
I’m new here. I just wanted to let you guys know how great you are! Best recruiting forums on the interwebz!
DadGummit.
by KnoxvilleNole on Jan 19, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You're good dude, welcome aboard!
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Two recs in a row... Not bad!!
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
5. make fun of Miami’s recruiting
6. take an oath to never reference total yard stats
7. say something glowing about Jimbo, Trickett or Gran at least once a day
8. mention DRusso and receive one rec’d immediately (not sure from who, though)
9. WELCOME TO TN!
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 19, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd..................green!
8. mention DRusso and receive one rec’d immediately
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Technical question on MEJ's abilities.
I was watching some tape. How is it that a 300 pounder can “slide through” a gap, and they call it getting skinny….
Does that move make the end vulnerable to a OT pinching in and using his arms to shove him off balance?
Also, does the defensive end have to practice this alot, in order to avoid a cross over entanglement in his footwork?
Appreciate all serious answers….
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Better Player?
Amari Cooper, Ricardo Louis, or Chris Black?
Good question
I’d say Louis, then Cooper, then Black, but the gaps between them aren’t large at all
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Cooper
Louis has the most “talent” but Cooper is the better WR. The gap between the actual receiving skills of Cooper is wider than the gap in sheer athleticism between Louis and Cooper. Amari is plenty athletic and as smooth a WR as they come. Makes things looks very easy
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 19, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Tricky b/c you ask "player"
WR: Cooper, Louis, Black
ATH: Louis, Cooper, Black
Honestly, not really much separation between them as WRs though. Probably 3 of the top 4 or 5 WR in florida. and 3 of the top 25 in the nation.
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In order
Ricardo Louis- Why is he #1 for me? The other WR’s you listed have BCS type WR’s on there team to help draw coverage(Cooper has Elston Lane who has 5 BCS offers and Chris Black has Brandon Brooks) and who does Louis have to help him not be double teamed? Nobody. Those two players WR’s(Cooper/Black) also have D-1 QB’s(Chris Black has QB DeAndre Johnson and Cooper has E.J. Hilliard) throwing to them, now who does Louis have? Not a D-1 QB. Now after taking this in watch Louis film. In one word impressive. So he has very impressive film add that to NFL type combine #’s with a over 40 inch vertical jump and a electronic 4.55 40 at over 200 lbs, Louis is a man among boys.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/combine/_/id/106054/ricardo-louis
2) Cooper
and a very distant third is Chris Black, who I don’t even have as a top 3 WR in state.
Basically if you put Ricardo Louis in a program like First Coast he would do scary things.
I can’t name another D-1 player on the Miami Beach Senior HS(Ricardo Louis school) roster from this class to 2014 kids. I’m not sure if that program has had a D-1 prospect in the past 5 years.
Cooper is much more skilled (route running,hand eye coordination, and set up moves)
not to mention superior body control (To catch 50/50 balls)and runs a much more sophisticated route tree. Louis is a beast physcially but not nearly as skilled. Those are thinsg that are not determined by who’s drawing coverage or the caliber of QB throwing them the rock. Simply evaluating them as individual WR’s
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 19, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Still more of a project (Granted, a very explosive one)
than a complete WR at this point. Scouts were still wondering about him being able to catch consistently this summer although it had reportedly improved during UA practices. He’ll be a work in progress where ever he goes
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 19, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
just wondering if we flip louis would he make us forget that black got away.
Obviously
It would have been nice to have both, but just from watching video from him, Louis seems to be a much better option IMO. I’ve always favored bigger receivers. You can’t teach a 5’10" WR to catch a fade like a 6’2" guy. Louis also looks to be a lot stronger with his body control (Black is no slouch either in that department).
DadGummit.
by KnoxvilleNole on Jan 19, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
If something happens and we don't get Northrup to flip.....
Would we consider S Miles (LB) if we could get Nelson A with him?
Any mention of other LB? other than Kwon and Clemons…
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Kwon and Clemons won't be here
I honestly think that if we somehow miss on Northrup, coaches will hold out til next year on LB with Moody switching to OLB
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I know Kwon and JHC are not coming
I guess the question is more. If we only have one LB commit would be take Miles to get NA. Or just wait for 2013 with has a ton of LBs and WR/ATHs in Florida? Plus we should have a lot more spots in next years class (seniors and early NFLers)
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I think it'll turn out to be too far away or him
Auburn or FSU IMO
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 19, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
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