'Noles News 01.19.12
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2012 10:08 AM EST
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PrintMark Stoops finally signed his contract. $575K ($205K base, $370K additional compensation). That's good news.
Oh, and Clemson hired Oklahoma Brent Venables to be its DC. Shakin will hate the move. I don't think they could have done much better. Their reaction piece is guaranteed to be quite funny.
Feldman's pre-season top ten:
10. FSU: After the underwhelming season the Noles had following all of the hype they had entering 2011, I swore I wouldn't give in and allow myself to rank them in the top 10, so I had them at 11. Yet, here they are. This is something we in the media need to realize: The Noles are your preseason dirty addiction. They are that ex-girlfriend who still can put it together and show up at the other side of the bar and catch your eye. And then you give in, and not long after you feel foolish for it. Anyhow. Jimbo Fisher should have a nasty defense, led by a ferocious D-line. The O-line will be better with much-needed experience. Same for QB E.J. Manuel and a young group of receivers. They do have to go to Va. Tech this year and get WVU at home. Just Missed the Cut: Michigan, South Carolina, Ohio State, K-State, Michigan State.
2012 College Football Do's And Don't's, The Premature Edition - SBNation.com
Do: Expect Florida State to improve from a cursed 2012. Every year someone's roster suffers an injury curse like something out of the Old Testament, and this year's smiting victim was the Florida State roster. The offensive line in particular suffered from injury, inexperience, and youth, and it showed as they sank to 77th in total offense. Don't ever watch their game against Florida. It is best forgotten, and buried so that sports archaeologists of the future can study it once the radiation and toxicity of the images themselves die down a little bit.
Don't: Put them in your top five just yet, unless you enjoy putting your hand in the same bear trap again, and again, and again, and then possibly again just for the hell of it. Jimbo Fisher has thus far followed the profile of a well-heeled but underachieving heir to the Bowden throne, losing three games in conference in each of his first two seasons. Florida State has to have one dominant turn through the conference before any national ambitions can come to fruition, and that is before you even look to their formidable out-of-conference games with West Virginia, USF, and traditional rival Florida. Their eventual landing spot in the polls is as much about schedule as it is anything else, and it starts with mastering the ACC before all else.
2012 ACC Football Schedule Taking Shape, Will Likely Not Include Syracuse, Pittsburgh - BC Interruption
The 2012 ACC football schedule is taking shape, though it's unlikely to include either Syracuse or Pittsburgh. Also, the date of the Miami-USF game could disrupt the ACC conference schedule when it comes out in early February.
Chase Rettig Tweets Out Hints About Next Year's Offense? - BC Interruption
Chase Rettig Leaks Out Hints About Next Year's Offense? I am skeptical here.
Video: Coastal clash on Labor Day? - ACC Blog - ESPN
Heather Dinich says a VT-GT matchup on Labor Day would be great for the league and its fans. Advantage VT, as they'd get all camp to rep the option.
Recurring Offseason Themes: Year of the Tiger, take two | Dr. Saturday - Yahoo! Sports LSU will be loaded.
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What's the problem with Venables?
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:18 AM EST via Android app reply actions
They're bitterly disappointed Nick Saban wasn't interested.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
The raise in pay wasn't worth the lateral step back in position I suppose
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:32 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Probably doesn't help that most CU folks
think Oklahoma is part of the former U.S.S.R.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 19, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Crimson and Red
I can see why they make the mistake
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:39 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
looking forward to next year
And reading a bunch of TNers writing about how glad they are that our young olinemen got some much needed experience playing in 2011. And most likely forgetting all this fire trickett nonsense.
by nolesdude on Jan 19, 2012 10:20 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
The issues with Trickett run far deeper than the on field product this season
His recruiting has largely been garbage at FSU. And say what you will about recruiting regions but he’s not good in his region anf his position group is in the worst condition 3 of the last 4 years (and not looking great in 2013). He’s got a rep as a lazy recruiter and his thing about liking sebior film before coming after a recruit sounds like garbage meabt to cover up his desire to not be proactive with recruits when they are young.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
What is his region?
Isn’t it Central Florida & the West Coast?
I dislike the senior film thing too.
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I told myself I’d see how this OL class shapes up, & how the 2012 OL looks.
I’m a little underwhelmed w recruiting…it’s brcoming harder & harder for me to be as optimistic as I once was.
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by CornNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Let's give Trickett
next season to fix the line, if the line isn’t better then give him the pink slip.
"The helmet doesn't make you, you make the helmet"- Jimbo Fisher
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by Matt Champion on Jan 19, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I mean this OL class has shaped up like trash. And UF and UGA are literally cleaning up all around us.
I expect the 2012 OL to be good and for that to cause people to forget what a chink in our armor Trickett has been.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What's the OL class breakdown for 2012?
We didn’t have many recruits in 2010, 6 or so last year (most burned RS, right?), and the only recruit so far this year is a JUCO, so he will leave with or before last year’s guys.
My concern is that in a few years we’ll have a mass graduation, and we could find ourselves in another year lean on bodies. On the current roster on Seminoles.com I count 10 FS/RS FR OL and 7 upperclassmen (after the SRs are taken off); I don’t think all of the upperclassman are contributors either.
I suppose we could gun for another huge crop next year, but wouldn’t it be better to get at least a couple FR this year?
I'm praying that the last 2 seasons are an exception.
Perhaps Trickett knew 2012 would be tough for OL? Maybe 2013 is much better (already gonna be tough to hang on to Gohlson…), with FSU already on Tunsil, hopefully 2013 will yield 3 or 4 elite kids.
And of course, you can factor in medical redshirta, etc to the last OL class, so maybe that can help “stagger” some eligibility
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by CornNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sounds right
Washout
Hart
Matias
Pettis
Lovelady
Jackson
Carter
Fahrenkrug
Barron
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 2:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The probability that 9 and 6 are alike
is approximately 0.00%. Note that it is not exactly 0%, as 6 could just be 9 on a sleep break.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Ha. Yes, I typed it incorrectly. 6 is right below 9 on the keypad.
But that highlights the potential problem when they all lose eligibility at the same time.
Well they'll be separated by a year
Since some shirted and others didn’t
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by AMFKNole on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Who all shirted?
I honestly lost track of who played during the year and who didn’t. Did Carter, Lovelady and Pettis RS? (I know Jackson, Barron, Hart and Matias didn’t; Prestwood left; Fahrenkrug was a JUCO).
Having 3 RS would make me feel much better.
Yep.
As you recently pointed out, he should be grateful for the huge 2011 haul that basically served as 2 classes.
I think they’ll be a “good” unit, but I also think EJ has to live up to expectations…especially for Jimbo’s sake. If we drop a couple of conference games because EJ and the OL brain farted on the same Sat, then it could be the beginning of the end of Jimbo.
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by CornNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm giving Rick Trickett a "make or break" year in 2012....just like Dawsey got in 2011.
To pretty spectacular results, I might add.
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I don’t know that Trickett is at FSU that much longer, but I also don’t put everything this year on him. It’s a collection of factor including him, jimbo, and some major circumstances completely out of their control.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Dexter Carter might fit that description as well
Although I will always like him. A great player in his day.
That was BEYOND RIDICULOUS
Fireable offense for Bobby to let that happen as far as I’m concerned.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
only after a couple of times
nothing wrong with starting the walkon in the season opener, just to prove a point and motivate the other players. but once you see him flailing, you take him out.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Against Miami? No
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by AMFKNole on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
that makes the biggest statement
start him, let him hang for maybe a drive, and if he is getting beat you sit him.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong........................WRONG.
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How's it on Jimbo?
Poor managment of Trickett? Poor recruiting strategy?
by PeachTreeNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
You mean his playcalling was too cute?
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:49 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
As in: "Look, they're trying that hand-off thing again. How cute."
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 19, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Mmm, less play calling more strategic decision-making…Though in his defense there was a lot of inconsistency this year (injuries, personal life, etc)
Ah, EJ vs. Wake
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
He’s the head guy. Think he misjudged some of what EJ could handle.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Let’s see if he keeps trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
by PeachTreeNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
What do you think we should be doing with EJ?
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
More spread. And obviously, EJ is not going to take this team where it can go unless he runs a lot.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
So spread to pass and sinplify his reads? Or do we expect his read option work to improve
Basically I can’t think of a single thing we DIDN’T try with EJ this year. And everything seemed to work a little and fail a lot. I personally think spreading the field, letting EJ pass was our best option all season. Even had OU on their toes till 88 cut out when he needed to cut in and until Kenny Shaw was decapitated and the best ref crew in the Big 12 lost their minds.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
More spread= more running and improvising.
He seems to be like Charlie Ward in that regard. CW simply stunk in our I offense in 92, until he was unchained in the GT game that year and allowed to use his instincts and his feet, not stand back and make multiple reads. (I’m not suggesting we reinstall the fastbreak offense)
by PeachTreeNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
The spread is basically a version of the fast break...
Just the QB has run first option as opposed to pass first option.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 19, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah....
but how many times did we actually see EJ pitch. It has to be a threat at least.
by BucsNolesRays on Jan 19, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
A lot.
Don’t worry, they were all late pitches. You probably thought the play was over or something and looked away.
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by STAquinasNole on Jan 19, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
True on the late pitches...
just got the sense it was not a threat to pitch. Everyone knew he was a dangerous runner(When healthy) but never really “took over the game” due to it. Or even was consistently effective enough to open up other parts of the offense. First half of OU comes to mind. On the other hand, he did have some nice runs and may need to go back and watch the tape again.
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by BucsNolesRays on Jan 19, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think the second half of the OU game was gonna be EJ un chained
Until he got hurt and Trick had to come in.
by Widespread Seminole on Jan 19, 2012 6:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As long as he's healthy.
EJ should be doing more option and bootleg. Roll that guy out of the pocket, because his pocket presence is subpar.
by zewhitedevil on Jan 19, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
All he has to do....
is make the round hole bigger. Duh!!!
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 19, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'm getting really tired of this....
The Noles are your preseason dirty addiction. They are that ex-girlfriend who still can put it together and show up at the other side of the bar and catch your eye. And then you give in, and not long after you feel foolish for it.
So are Oklahoma, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and (usually) LSU. Yet, there is no disclaimer year after year by everyone ranking them. Don’t apologize. Put your big boy britches on and rank us or don’t!!!!
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 19, 2012 10:24 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
also FSU was not picked highly in 2008 or 2010. At all.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
What doesn't make a compelling narrative will often be ignored or even directly contradicted by the MSM in tge spirit of the story
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
We were in 2009 though.
Until that darn Christian Ponder cost us a national championship that year.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
ND gets a lot of grief for it (deservedly)
LSU, OSU and OU don’t deserve the same grief. They’ve all won conference titles in recent years…and played for NC’s over the past decade. FSU…not so much.
by PoseidoNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Oklahoma disappoints 4 out of every 5 years.
OSU disappoints 9 out of every 10.
LSU usually drops games they shouldn’t.
I almost put USC on that list.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 19, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure that FSU is #1 at being ranked to high pre season over the last 10 years.
Something like the #1 team to fall the farthest or outside the top 20….it’s embarrassing.
Not as bad as clemson.
The Swami has spoken.
by seminole_swami on Jan 19, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but when was the last time Clemson didn't underachieve?
Last time I can remember a Clemson team playing to it’s potential was in 2003, and even then it was only after a 1-3 start.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 20, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
They also got into the top 5
only to collapse at the end of the season and get 70 dropped on them by a Big East team. I guess this year you could say that they overachieved in the first half and underachieved at the end.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 20, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's kind of funny.
I just posted that quote on my FB. I only find it funny because I have faith that this year is different.
by Blake Davis on Jan 19, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
The talent is obviously there – which is why we are highly regarded in the preseason. Yes, we haven’t met those expectations and that has been addressed i.e. BB going bye-bye. This past season was mostly due to injuries as we all know. Since the talent is there again – why not rank us high again? The fact that we haven’t met expectations in the past has no bearing on whether we will or will not in the future in this case. The historical problems have been taken care of.
Outside perception matters, though.
Let’s say FSU gets the same crazy injuries in 2012 and 2013 (yikes!). Is that the staff’s fault? No, but they’d have really lost all momentum and a change would be necessary.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
If that does occur
Fans/anslysts will most assuredly blame practice habits, conditioning, & the poor equipment manager.
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by CornNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and the lack of an IPF.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I think the national media just finds FSU to be a really hot girl, and they want her back asap.
We’ve been away too long.
;___;
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Jan 19, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Imagine how tired of this you'd be
if you’d been a Nole for more than 6 months. :)
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 19, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I laughed out loud when I read that
…I love this site.
by Buddy Reynolds on Jan 19, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I've always followed and respected the Noles.
Hell, I’ve defended the Noles for years against the UGA idiots. That’s why it was such a seamles transition.
I’ve been a Nole for 6 months and still know more about the programs history than most lifelong fans and alumi.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 19, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I thought you would also link the article about ACC refs in review. The ACC gave their refs a good report card for the year.
It was on the ACC twitter account.
Who watches the Watchmen
There is literally no one overseeing the ACC, so they are free to spin information they release (which we have no way of verifying) in any ridiculous way they choose. Their gaffes most likely cost us the Clemson game and they DIRECTLY cost Wake the Clemson game. But, if they tell their mouthpiece (Looking at you HD) they got 98% of calls right and she passes it on the mouth breathers at ESPN, it becomes law.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 10:38 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
This just in: Head of ACC officiating arrested on charges of cocaine possession, will enter diversionary program
When asked what tipped authorities off, one deputy said “Have you SEEN those ACC officials this past year? That guy just had to be smoking something,”
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
HD recently had a blurb about the officials
The ACC noted “verifiable errors” in only 0.14% of plays. We should request a breakdown of that by team…
Pointless percentage.
I would rather see a percentage on numbers of missed holding calls.
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by BenDNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'd like to start a business that independently audits
Officiating crews. Profit would come from selling info to media outlets, or taking hush money from the conferences.
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by CornNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Silly CornNole, thinking he can change the world by going to the media...
Don’t sell your information to the media-they’re not going to pay for it. Besides, they’re broke anyway.
The money, if any is to be had, would come from selling your info to the Bowl committees.
This would also help to successfully achieve the first rule of revenge:
Don’t get angry; don’t get loud; don’t get violent-turn it into money.
Make it cost the conference money to have these horrible ACC officials and nonexistent referee oversight by helping the various bowl committees make informed decisions to steer clear of ACC officiating crews at all cost.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
That assumes bowls care about having well officiated games
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 3:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
True, but we know the bowls care about money.
Giving them more information about the respective quality of officiating crews would also allow for them to haggle the bad crews down, meaning the ACC, with their crews full of awful officials that we all know and hate, would likely get less money per bowl appearance than a crew from a conference like the SEC.
Either way, it will cost the conference money it would otherwise receive to keep bad officials on staff, so mission accomplished.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Actually, the ACC Director of Officials is bad at math. Officiating error rate is 1.4%, not 0.14%
The ACC chief of officiating got the call wrong. Go figure.
He was being intentionally vague, but he did say that 14,000+ plays were called in conference play last season and somewhere between 100-200 plays had errors (sorry-had to link to HD). He really said .014%, but he forgot to move his decimal point. It really works out to 1.4% of all plays called, an average of 2-3 plays a game. Which, if true, would put ACC officiating within the average range of human error, which hovers around 1% for highly trained personnel.
However, given that every single ACC football fan you care to talk to is absolutlely infuriated with the officiating this year, it still seems low to me. I think a case can be made that the ACC’s officiating error rate averaged closer to 4-5 plays per conference game, which would work out to a significantly higher error rate of 1.8-2.4%. I know this number would certainly track with my own personal experience as an FSU fan this season. There were multiple games where I could point to 5 or more instances of blown calls.
If FSU truly is doing what Jimbo says we’re doing and regularly submitting tapes of blown calls to the ACC, and the ACC’s numbers are correct, then there must be only a very few schools in the conference who are formally objecting to the conference’s bad officiating on a regular basis.
This is a big deal. FSU must keep driving the discussion on this issue through the offseason and into the formal conference meetings. We have no one to blame but ourselves for the bad officiating in this conference if we do not.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
He also qualified his assertion by saying "verifiable errors"
and makes no mention of how this is defined. Clearly not every missed holding call is going to be counted, though in hindsight most of these are easily verifiable. So obviously certain calls aren’t being reviewed (or at least not counted as incorrect calls). Who decides what gets reviewed and what doesn’t?
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 19, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Again, they probably go off of what the member schools are sending back.
And if half of your conference is composed of programs that are simply happy to simply get 6-8 wins per year and a bowl bid, then this is what you’ll get. They’re not going to push too hard to clean up ACC officiating, because it doesn’t matter that much to them. Whether they push for it or not, they’ll still win some and lose some, and they’re not in the race for a conference title either way.
The only difference is it’s more money and hassle to do the work needed to mount a big push for changes, but there’s no real upside for them on the back end. So why are we surprised that they don’t do it regularly?
That’s why I keep saying that FSU absolutely MUST drive this effort. Our fanbase has spoken quite clearly over the last few years-we WILL NOT excuse our HC for losing a game to an inferior opponent, even if it is due to horrible officiating. That Jimbo understands this fact and accepts it is a reason for hope, but FSU’s AD absolutely MUST stand behind him and seek to rally support for this effort among member schools at every opportunity.
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The Venables hire is troubling
Can’t think of a better DC to compliment their HUNH offense. And talent shouldn’t be a problem.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 19, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions
Agreed. STS doesn’t like it, but I don’t think they get just how fast OU plays.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
But 2012 talent might be a bit of an issue.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
From what I gathered from STS,
They concede that Venables will be an improvement, but with OU’s defenses under him consistently ranking in the 50’s (depending on how you rank) is not some kind of home run that a lot of delusional CU homers think
In a 15-17 possession (80-100 plays) game
your defense is going to give up some ground.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 19, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely a good point,
but how would you compare both the offenses and talent on the defense between Oklahoma and CU? Obviously ACC defenses will not be as high scoring as those of the B12, so that will probably help Venables too, right?
Just going by NFL draft numbers and off top of my head
I’d say CU has enjoyed better talent on defense and not as good on offense—in general—than OU the past few years. I think Venables will do quite well.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 19, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Stoops- $575k / Venables- $800-850k
In what universe does this make sense? What… Dabo’s involved? Never mind.
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by SoCalNole on Jan 19, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's my big question.
Clemson & Auburn are destroying the maket for assistant coaches. Cant be good for CFB
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by CornNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
On DL?
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by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 11:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
maybe not, but better than 2012 by a lot
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Lord I knew starting this on my phone as a poor idea. Thanks!
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
If only he could find himself a decent head coach…
by mbar on Jan 19, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Is he the puppet or master in these hires? Honest question.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 19, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Let's try to quantify it.
On a control scale of 1 to Jimbo: Where’s Dabo?
#ExpectingGoodJokesAboutEitherGuy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 19, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I bet next year when Dabo asks where his TE is
His tone will be much different
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Dabo at end of season:
“They let me go early! I won ‘Most cooperative inmate’ four months running.”
The next time we play UF 1,092 days will have passed since they have been able to hold our jock strap.
TWSS!!!!
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 19, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really like that chart showing possible opponents
In the BC scheduling link. Any chance we can get one of those?
Someone can put one together using fbschedules.com
by Bud Elliott on Jan 19, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
LSU is preseason #1
They are loaded on defense. USC only has 75 scholarship players. They have no depth.
Roll Tide!
USC only has 75 scholarship players. They have no depth.
True, but all they have to do is beat Oregon without LaMichael James.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 19, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I also like Georgia’s chances of contending for the crystal ball.
"The helmet doesn't make you, you make the helmet"- Jimbo Fisher
Formerly known as MattChampNole12
by Matt Champion on Jan 19, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Contending for a shot at the crystal ball, yes?
I personally don’t see how they win the SEC unless they are stepping over the bodies of their fallen SEC comrades who have destroyed one another in the quest for the title leaving UGA as the last man standing from a weak East. Then getting their doors blown off by a better prepared mentally tough USC team.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
They don't play
LSU, Bama or Arkansas…..that’s why people like them….but they still will have to face one of those teams in SECCG…..
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Jan 19, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
At which point they'll probably lose by 20.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
If history is any indication
yes
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Jan 19, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
The team that is coming back for
Georgia next year is probably one of the most talented they have had in a long time. Ten starters coming back on D, most of their skill players return, Murray returns. All they really have to do is plug a hole or two on their line. Their schedule is tailor made for a national title run, no top SEC West team in the regular season, only GT for OOC. They will have to face a tough SEC West team whether it be LSU or Alabama( don’t see Arkansas contending) in the SECCG, but if they win that game I don’t see them losing to whoever they play in the national title game. I believe they have a good shot to go all the way next year, whether they do it or not is why I love college football, can a team meet the expectations set forth in the preseason? I believe LSU, Alabama, and Georgia are capable of being a crystal ball contender. Which one will step forward though?
"The helmet doesn't make you, you make the helmet"- Jimbo Fisher
Formerly known as MattChampNole12
by Matt Champion on Jan 19, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
UGA won't win the title next year
Don’t even think they’re in the top 10 of vegas odds to win the title.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 8:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If they aren't
then i believe Vegas is selling them short. The question is whether they will seize the mantle, or will they fall flat on their face like they did in 2008 when they were preseason No.1?
"The helmet doesn't make you, you make the helmet"- Jimbo Fisher
Formerly known as MattChampNole12
by Matt Champion on Jan 19, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
They're still coached by Mark Richt, yes?
Remember, they beat no one of amy consequence this year.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 20, 2012 12:06 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
And won't next year.
It’s very possible they go 12-0 regular season and get blown out in the SECCG.
They are losing another
starter on defense I thought Boykin was the only one leaving. Orson Charles will be hard to replace for sure, but waiting in the wings was one of the top tight ends in the country last year in Jay Rome. They lose both the kicker and the punter, but from watching both of them neither seemed that impressive. It also doesn’t hurt to have arguably the top kicker in the nation committed to you.
"The helmet doesn't make you, you make the helmet"- Jimbo Fisher
Formerly known as MattChampNole12
by Matt Champion on Jan 19, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Good rule of thumb concerning UGA......
If you expect them to be among the elite, they’re gonna lose 4 games.
If you expect nothing special from them, they’ll go on a tear.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 20, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Georgia should be favored in every regular season game.
Their problem will be beating LSU/Ark/Bama in the SEC title game.
by Albany_Nole on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'd bet South Carolina by at least 7 against them in Columbia
Week 2 trip to Missouri could also be tricky. I’m really not sold on Georgia, and could easily see them losing 3-4 games even with a fairly weak schedule.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 19, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'll say this in DrB's defense OU has only been top 20 in ypp once in the last 5 years
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:15 PM EST via Android app reply actions
It's never bad in the current system to start out with a high ranking
If we can meet expectations it’s much easier to hurdle 9 teams to the #1 spot. Of course, these “far-too early” preseason projections aren’t concrete. However, the more that jump on the wagon early; the better the rankings that do matter will be.
by FullTimeNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Of course it does hurt being called overrated
But we have kind of earned that recently…
by FullTimeNole on Jan 19, 2012 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm always a fan of the media bashing FSU for being overrated,
when they were the ones that put a top 20 team in the top 5/10. Not our fault these bootleg “journalists” didn’t realize how much FSU was relying on underclassmen this season, with a lot of change along the o-line and a new qb. Injuries aside, this year should be different and actually should garner some preseason hype.
meant "next" season should be different
And i actually mean that. not in the cubs fan sense of “next season”. We’ve pointed to 2012 for a while now.
Well at least
it appears that someone else watched the FL game :) lol @ the summary
I enjoyed the Florida game,
of course I’m far more entertained by a hard hitting defense than a high flying ballet offense.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 19, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but
that was more suckass offense then it was great defense. Which is saying something because both defenses are pretty damn good.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
I'd rather watch that than an offensive explosion.
I hate that the media makes it out that these 100 point games are great games, whereas a 14-10 defensive masterpiece is crap. The Baylor/Washington game was decent to watch, but it was crap football.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 19, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
I love how people try to make us feel guilty about that win
Oh you didn’t gain a lot of yards. Oh, UF wasn’t very good. Oh, you set offensive football back a decade. I DON’T CARE. Beating UF tastes sweet no matter what.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 3:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The only proper response to those criticisms:
“That’s 95 yards of total offense and the win, thank you very much.”
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Agreed.
That game was infuriating. It was awful football defensively. I can stand a great defensive game every once in awhile like Bama-LSU, but I do like to see more than 21 combined points on the board.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
#10 is good spot to start
LSU, Bama and Arkansas play each other, so all 3 can’t stay ahead if you win. Oregon and USC….ditto…..West Virginia? Seriously?…..
Roll Tide!
Oh and add UGA to that as well
they have to play whoever emerges from SECW
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Jan 19, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
i saw on twitter.
Clemson is going to pay out 6 million to current and former hc coaches and assistant coaches
by Cjones6121 on Jan 19, 2012 12:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wow...
Seriously?!
You remember who tweeted it by any chance?
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by CornNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
travis_sawchik Travis Sawchik
#Clemson will pay out nearly $6 million to former and current HCs and coordinators in 2012. That’s SEC-like money for HC-OC-DC
10 hours ago
"Sweet baby Jesus on Fire, I'm need of a damn lawyer and a miracle to pull my ass out of this."
siap
We lost 2 conference games in 2010, not 3. champ game doesn’t count towards conference losses. just nitpicking. carry on.
Legitimately do not understand Clemson fans' pessimism here.
Their fans should be thrilled. Look at OU’s #’s.
Year & Def. F/+ ranking (footballoutsiders.com)
2007 — 6th
2008 — 21st
2009 — 3rd
2010 — 6th
2011 — 7th
Their biggest problem is OL and DL line play due to depth and S&C issues. Just don’t understand the pessimism on the hire here, though, at all.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Have you ever talked to a Clemson fan? They really don’t know much about football
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No less than the average school's fan
In general, Clemson fans are some of the nicest people I’ve ever met.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Not much since I went back to school
but I get it, they’re a farmer’s school, bunch of hicks, yada-yada
What are you glorifying with your life?
They really are some of the nicest fans
I’ve been to Death Valley twice and watch us lose both games. But the fans have been incredibly nice and welcoming.
The Swami has spoken.
by seminole_swami on Jan 19, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Sure you weren't in the Super Alumn section?
"Hey Shakin the Southland, Why didn't you storm the field after the Orange Bowl like you do after every game?" ----------BANNED!!!! hahaha
No I can vouch for that as well
I’ve been to Death Valley for several FSU games and the fans are always nice. Always a few knuckleheads (like anywhere else) but even the students are gracious for the most part.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 19, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Like their Head Coach
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 1:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Think that the knock is that OU's defense is Stoops' and Venable's scheme is too complex for a college secondary
Just what I’ve heard. The OU folks I know seem to be glad to be rid of him. Think I remember something about him being a mediocre recruiter as well.
I would take 4-out-of-5-years being in the top 7 of defenses
for $800k a year.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Although we're about to get a potential #1 out of $575k
So that works out nice.
What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on Jan 19, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Throwing the occasional game to Wake or UVa
creates all the necessary diversion.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 19, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I've always liked the thought of us being some super hustler, just playing with these teams until the right time....
Then I wonder if were selling it a little too hard!
"Hey Shakin the Southland, Why didn't you storm the field after the Orange Bowl like you do after every game?" ----------BANNED!!!! hahaha
Thought he was a good recruiter.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
I’ve heard mixed things, but then again, I don’t really follow OU well enough to be able to discern truth from nonsense
It's hard to imagine it being difficult fo recruit to Oklahoma
Like Kirby Smart…honestly I have no idea what he can and cannot do.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by CornNole on Jan 19, 2012 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can - control bangs
Can’t – wait for Richt to get fired
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 19, 2012 3:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
So, he's the Charlie Weis of defense?
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 19, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
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