JoePa is gone--Official
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I wonder how much longer
he would have had, if all this sh&t had never happened. He still would have had lung cancer, but I am sure his will and his fight would have been stronger.
#58 should be retired in honor of the most destructive force to ever wear garnet and gold
by Wire2Wire99Grad on Jan 22, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions
Is it bad that all I could think of was an ACC ref joke when I read your headline?
I blame you and your wording.
In any case, RIP JoePa.
This is exactly what Bowden is afraid of
I’m going to try to remember JoePa more for his entire life than the last 2 months. I hope others will do the same.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 22, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why?
He’s known about this for more than the past 2 months. The guy was a one of the best coaches of all time, as a human being though, I have zero respect for him
by mcgrawfsu on Jan 22, 2012 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he was in a very tough spot
and he technically handled the matter properly by pushing it upstairs. His undoing was never going farther when those he reported to covered up. When do you make that move against your friend of 30+ years? He took the easy way out and his inaction was horrendous, but there was plenty to respect about the man.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Agree, until/unless I hear something new of the situation
It’s one thing to pass along information like that about your friend, it’s another thing to follow up vigilantly when you don’t hear anything happening about it. It’s no excuse. But it wasn’t an easy spot to be in and he possibly thought that the charges were followed up on and found bogus.
Did he know that the matter was mishandled by those above him?
If you consider yourself a man of morales, then this wasn’t even handled correctly. Children were raped and he knew about it. He told his boss and that’s all. If you could have asked Joe P what if it was his son? What do you think he would have wanted done and if it was handled correctly. On top of that he let this monster continue to bring children on campus and run a children’s charity.
Sorry but his actions spoke loud enough. Sacrifice the mental state of children so he can run what appeared to be upstanding program.
by nole your enemy on Jan 22, 2012 3:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not all assumptions just how Paterno would have handled this if it was his kid. The rest is in the grand jury indictment and reports that Sandusky was with children in the Penn State facilities just a few weeks before the scandal broke nationally
by nole your enemy on Jan 23, 2012 11:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He was not in a tough spot!
By his own admission, he knew that Sandusky was witnessed performing some form of sexual acts with small boys. He then shared SOME of the information with his boss (intentionally downplaying the incident), and never followed up in any way while watching this animal prey on small boys for years. I don’t see his actions as anything other then an endorsement.
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
did he intentionally downplay?
genuine question, not a challenge.
I know the basic outline of the story but haven’t followed the revelations, etc.
By his testimony
He did not say anything about a sexual act to the AD. He only mentioned “inappropriate behavior”.
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
by SoCalNole on Jan 23, 2012 9:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This was not the last couple of months;
years of his life he spent doing this. The couple of months were when the kind of man he really was came to light. The young men who suffered because he did not stand up and do what was right deserve wishes of peace. His peace rests between him and his god. Hopefully that was squared away at the end, but I will not say RIP and my opinion of him is not mellowed because he died now.
depends.
IF he knowingly and actively harbored the monster because they were friends, then his legacy is ruined. If he wasn’t vigilant enough in following up, then it was a big mistake but not malicious. It’s possible that when nothing came of the accusation he assumed that it was because the charges were found to be groundless. I can see where he would give his friend the benefit of the doubt at that point and just let the issue die. Not saying that it was the right thing to do, but there is a wide gulf between the two possibilities.
I haven’t followed the story closely so don’t know if scenario B is likely or not. It’s the only one that could possibly save Joe’s legacy.
It's funny how everyone is so quick to judge and vilify people...the man just died....was a great ambassador for sports in general for years and was one of the greatest coaches in any sport of all time...
I do as a human being wish him peace and hope that he has settled his debt with the man upstairs….Anyway it is Sandusky we should vilify to the max and that is what everyone is getting away from…. Let the man have his peace in death…he at the very least earned that….
by Jerseynole on Jan 22, 2012 12:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I hope my son is not around you
when bad things happen to him. I might actually hurt the man who does it to him and not you, but don’t expect me to respect you if you do nothing to help my son.
the man just died
so what? has no effect on the type of man he was the last decade
one of the greatest coaches in any sport of all time
again…so what? plenty of great coaches have been horrible people…
by WaimeaNole on Jan 22, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
this is bull
Paterno made a coward’s choice and paid heavily, but that’s the end of it.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Joe Complete-Asshole Paterno
Put games of football above those children who were being raped IN HIS OWN LOCKER ROOM. Don’t even try to defend the man, it’s painfully obvious he did nothing about Sandusky because it would’ve tarnished the program, perhaps bringing it down altogether. He is scum, putting his own personal interests before the livelihood’s of the young and innocent. F*ck him.
by GranMarino on Jan 22, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well said
Maybe now he understands that preventing children from being raped is more important than football.
by Todd F Packer on Jan 22, 2012 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agree!!
Then near the end he was saying he was in charge and PSU couldn’t fire him. Total Jerk.
by Crawdad_Class of '86 on Jan 22, 2012 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Put me in this camp also.
I can’t wrap my head around espn and others talking about his football accomplishments.
Pursue some path, however narrow and crooked, in which you can walk with love and reverence.
Henry David Thoreau
Might I also add
That anyone who did not go straight to the authorities upon learning this information, even the grad student who was the witness, dies in shame as well. An all around despicable performance by what seems to be quite a few of the PSU staff.
That statement just shows how obtuse you are.....
the only children I have to worry about are my students and my children….watch yourself because you don’t know me….I don’t go around here insulting you or your character because I don’t know you from atom….
by Jerseynole on Jan 22, 2012 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That would be Adam.....
as in Eve ( Garden of Eden, original sin). Shame on you if you don’t worry about all children (and anyone else unable to protect themselves). Joe put his career, legacy etc. above the needs of a helpless child. In my book he is a bum.
The following is ironic
That statement just shows how obtuse you are…..
then…
I don’t go around here insulting you
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Jan 22, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
And so for Joe?
the only children I have to worry about are my students…
So you admit to having some responsibility for others, but he had no responsibility for those in his facilities and somewhat connected to his football empire? That doesn’t compute.
I don't go around here being the judge, jury, and executioner for people....
If you want to do that WaimeaNole…..that’s fine by you….bash away….you’re within your full right to do that….but the difference between you and I is that I understand that it is utterly ridiculous to bash a dead man….in truth….what is it really going to do?….does it make you feel any better about yourself?…does it change your situation in life?….The man is dead….he made a mistake….albeit a huge one….but in reality….the only person that he has to settle with is god….that’s the only person IMO that is truly perfect…..Everyone including myself at times is so quick to judge…. When kids get in trouble….when players make mistakes….when coaches make mistakes….we talk about them like we personally know them….fact is we don’t and we need to stop acting like we do because it is both ignorant and stupid….
by Jerseynole on Jan 23, 2012 4:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think anyone is bashing him because he's dead
Seems more like they are stating that their opinion isn’t changing because he’s dead like some of the media. Personally, I too hope everyone involved with this is shamed and put in jail until they die. Some things can be forgiven, crimes against children cannot. Joe didn’t do the crime, but he still knowingly employed and assossiated himself and his program with a pedo.
This is the last time I will even respond.....
Your opinions are your opinions…..you believe what you want to believe…I believe in forgiveness and redemption….I also believe that human beings can be noble…but also flawed and imperfect….I also believe that if you live in a glass house…you shouldn’t throw stones….because we all have issues or skeletons that I’m sure we might be ashamed of….but what I’m saying is….is that there is no doubt that what joepa did was wrong…I don’t see the value of beating a dead horse….in your case WaimeaNole….joepa is dead…Sandusky will be prosecuted….the victims will have their day to face their abuser and gain closure and justice will be more than served…..case closed….move on….
by Jerseynole on Jan 23, 2012 8:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Death doesn't erase the things you've done in life or the discussion of those things by those that remain.
To pretend Joe didn’t have a role simply because he died is foolish. It sends the message that his death is more important than the lives he allowed to be ruined. Anyone truly sickened by what went on at PSU still has every right to place some of the blame on Joe Pa. His death shouldn’t and didn’t change that.
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by Jamil Dawson on Jan 23, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
well said
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Jan 23, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Trying to think of a good quote about "those who don't learn from the past"
Oh well.
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
by SoCalNole on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Jerseynole is the official spokesperson for ellipses...
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Jan 23, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I'm kind of selfish
I kind of wish that all of this news would have leaked out early so Bobby would have the all time win record and not JoPa.
by I275Nole on Jan 22, 2012 6:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Leaking the scandal earlier was Joe Paterno's fear too
The selfishness wasn’t yours 1275, it was ALL Paterno’s!
I'm just thankful
…that this sad story didn’t happen at FSU. Wish it hadn’t happened anywhere, of course. Just an ugly deal all around.
by PoseidoNole on Jan 22, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
I wish news of it could have leaked out earlier
you know, so more kids could’ve been saved…
by nole92 on Jan 23, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry for his family...
other than that…moving on.
crap, so the way this post is going, I COULD have made my ACC official joke and gotten away with it?
Oh well. Live and learn.
He was not allowed by law to discuss what happened with anyone except his boss.
But upon further review, he misenterpreted rule.
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
by SoCalNole on Jan 23, 2012 11:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
The Comeback "Kid"
Bobby Bowden, Ends his Retirement as of 1/22/2012 to coach X team. For the next 5 years and breaks Joe Pa’s Record. Anything could happen. This also would have Joe Pa turning in his grave. I say all this because this is what I was thinking about when Joe Pa died and I can’t be the only Seminole thinking this way.
How about them Noles!
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We shouldn't let the one horrible decision JoePa made erase the 50 years of good that he did.
Just like we shouldn’t let the 50 years of good erase the horrible thing he did at the end.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 23, 2012 9:22 AM EST reply actions
Exactly what good did he do? He coached football and was paid handsomely for it. He wasn't Mother Teresa.
And you need to read up on the whole story. What he did goes back at least 10 years and presumably much longer than that.
He was with the Penn State program for 60 years.
60-10=50.
Paterno changed ALOT of young mens lives for the better during his time there. There are countless stories from formewr players about how genuinel good Paterno was to them as people, not just football players. He was no Urban Meyer is what I’m saying.
I’m not downplaying his role in the Sandusky case. I’m also not laying more blame at his feet than I am Sandusky.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 23, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
You're right, he wasn't Urban Meyer
CUM might’ve neglected his own children to an extent, but he didn’t allow Charlie Strong to sodomize them.
On a side note, I just defended CUM. Smh
I think JoePa was a good man at heart who made a reallyterrible decision that he will always be remembered for.
I think he cared about his players as more than just football players.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I guess you're definition of "good" is different than mine. He was getting paid to coach.
His job was to make them better football players, better men. Why is it that he was a good guy for just doing his job?
Paterno also changed a lot of young lives for the WORSE for not properly reporting what he should have reported. Besides, you assume that Paterno didn’t know what Sandusky – who coached under Paterno for 30 years at Penn State – was doing. Even if he didn’t know, he was in a position where he should have known.
How do we know Sandusky hasn’t been molesting kids since the 80’s? You think he just up and decided he had a small boy fetish at the age of 50? I doubt it.
I think Paterno found out in '98
and showed Sandusky the door right after that.
His job wasn’t just to make them better athletes and more mature, he was a father figure to an extremely large group of student athletes who were given the oppurtunity by JoePa and Penn State to get a quality education and a chance at a career in football.
He directly had a huge positive impact on thousands of people, more then most of us could even dream of.
However, he also played a role in the ruining of 20+ (maybe more) lives.
Neither should be forgotten. He did much more good then bad, however the bad he did commit was so awful, public, and the last thing we’ll remember about him since he’s now dead and can’t make up for the things hedid not, but should have done.
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I can't really add anything.
You summed it up perfecty.
ps – I always have and always will hate Penn State.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 23, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Did not show him the door,
just changed his position. He was still hosting young boys at PSU after he stopped being a coach for the Nittany Lions. That was a “spin” move.
Other than that, I mostly agree.
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