2012 Recruiting Discussion Thread #43 [CLOSED]
by DA-2 on Jan 22, 2012 11:03 AM EST
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PrintWelcome to the recruiting discussion thread. Please refer to the Recruiting Board for information on prospects. We are asking readers comment here instead of the recruiting board so that the recruiting board will load quicker. Feel free to talk recruiting news, rumor, information, etc. Amateurs and experts are all welcome. No question is too simple. Have a projected class? That's fine as well.
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Specific Player Questions (Check here before asking)
- Mario Edwards Jr.- Edwards Jr has Official Visit Florida State. The only other school in the running is Texas. Most question though if he could insult his father's school at this point. He looks to be solid in his commitment to Florida State.
- Dante Fowler- His recruitment has been very interesting. He's grown up a Florida State fan, but still has ties to Florida. He's taken multiple visit to Florida, including this summer when he was rumored to be leaning toward Florida. He also took in the beating Florida received from Alabama in early October. He's remained a Florida State commitment, but is scheduled to take official visits to University of Southern California, as well as Louisiana State. Those schools should not matter though, as he's been quoted as saying it's down to Florida and Florida State. His recruitment should be something interesting to watch. Dante Fowler looks to be solid to Florida State; Leonard Williams is the only wildcard that may change things.
- Leonard Williams- Many people thought Florida State was done at DE. Perhaps not. Leonard showed out at the Under Armour game, and looks to be an Auburn-Florida-Florida State battle. Experts are saying Auburn at this point.
- Andrus Peat- One of the more intriguing players in this class. Although at first glance you question why a kid from Arizona with a brother at Nebraska would go to FSU, there is some interest here. Peat's grandparents surprisingly live in Tallahassee. FSU still isn't the favorite to get Peat, that's probably Nebraska, but it's not impossible for Peat to be a Nole come signing day. And there is no question that FSU would take him if he wants in. 1/4/12 update: Corey Long of ESPN.com is reporting he plans to visit FSU the weekend of January 20th. UPDATE: Peat did not make the visit due to some family issue. Most believe Nebraska leads at this point.
- Jameis Winston- is a Nole. There's no talk of him switching to hometown Alabama. There's no visits scheduled to Florida State yet (that are known of), but there are none to Alabama either. No need to worry about this point. As mentioned below, he enjoyed his Official Visit.
- Ronald Darby- Five star Notre Dame decommitment from Maryland. Should be a FSU-Clemson battle. Rumor has it that Florida State leads because of their track program, and he wants to play with WR Marvin Bracy (fastest high school runner ever).
- AJ Leggett- will enroll at Marshall. He's not coming to Florida State, where he would've been a sign and place.
- Early Enrollees- JUCO OL Daniel Glauser, RB Mario Pender, P Cason Beatty
- Colin Blake- has decommitted from TAMU. FSU, TCU, OU look to be the favorites.
- Reggie Northrup- 4 star Miami LB commit... or so they think? Grew up a Florida State fan, and some insiders have him flipping to FSU. Comes from FSU feeder school First Coast (Jacksonville, FL).
Official Visits
1/13/2011
WR Nelson Agholor
OT Menelik Watson- Juco OT who has been playing football for only a year. One of the best athletes you will find on the offensive line, but is just learning the game.
DE Mario Edwards
QB Sean Maguire
TE Christo Kourtzidis
LB Markuss Eligwe
WR Ricardo Louis
DB Colin Blake
DB Ronald Darby
Note: Dr Krop Athlete Johnnie Durante and CB Colin Blake are working on setting up official visits. More info on Blake here
1/20/2012
K Roberto Aguayo (GREYSHIRTING)
DL Justin Shanks
DE Chris Casher
LB Josh Clemons
QB Jameis Winston
LB Reggie Northrup
WR Marvin Bracy
Update 1/16
- Added the 2012 recruiting board.
- Florida State's minimum needs
Please keep in mind that it is unlikely all of these players will qualify. FSU is unlikely to enroll 25 players or anything like that.
QB Sean Maguire
QB Jameis Winston
RB Delmarick "Mario" Pender
WR Marvin Bracy
TE Christo Kourtzidis
1 RB/WR/TE Ricardo Louis
OL Daniel Glauser
OL
OL (Optional)
DE Dante Fowler, Jr.
DE Chris Casher
DE Mario Edwards, Jr.
DT Dalvon Stuckey
DT Justin Shanks
DL
LB Markuss Eligwe
LB
DB P. J. Williams
DB (Optional)
1-2 DB/LB/DL
K Roberto Aguayo (GREYSHIRTING)
P Cason Beatty
credit: TimScribble, caine115, fsugrizz.
credit: TimScribble
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Chip Kelly is finalizing a deal to become head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Can we scoop up Kyle Long for the O-line?
If God told me to root for the Gators, I'd tell him to go to hell.
Josh Clemons
Any word on him? Just heard he tweeted he really enjoyed himself, anything further?
Obsessed with Seminole football!!
wondering same
hopeing for good news on him
by atlnolefan on Jan 22, 2012 11:27 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hearing it's a 3 team race now..
UGA, UF, and FSU.. Not sure exactly how good our chances but the fact that Lowndes produces a lot of FSU players can’t hurt.
JC
Looking at previous thread his grandfather said it is a 3 team race now: FU, GA, and us.
Obsessed with Seminole football!!
JHC is listed has an Athlete on ESPN..
I know he played Linebacker in high school.. Did he play on offense as well? & What are we recruiting him as?
That begs the question.
We see him as a LB. What does he see himself as? Has he given any indication?
Boy Lowndes can produce some skinny Linebackers..
He has a lot of room to put some weight on. 6’5" I’m excited.
Which is really, really odd.
It may just be my perception, but it’s a relatively small area…I havent been in 10 yrs or so, but I was shocked at how desolate it felt.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by CornNole on Jan 22, 2012 4:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he played LB, S, WR, and I believe some of the RB Positions in their wing-t at times
he wants to play LB
G5 played a ton of RB there
Lowndes will play the best players anywhere, almost everyone is an “athlete”
by fsugrad06 on Jan 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What’s the relative’s 40 and shuttle? Good hips, lateral quickness? Maybe we can grayshirt him.
In all seriousness, I think that’s so cool to be able to share an experience like that with a family member (presumably cousin or brother). It’s an awesome experience I doubt either will forget so good for them.
by ttubasketball on Jan 22, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Thats his brother
Dad and brother were here with him.
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So how good of a sign is it that Northrup put on a Seminoles jersey?
I am not naive, and I know these kids get caught up in the moment; but for a kid that is “Committed to Miami” to put on a Seminoles jersey, that has to mean something. Doesn’t it?
Pay no attention to MEJ putting on at Texas helmet.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Jan 23, 2012 5:52 AM EST up reply actions
Not really
I would say most kids put on every jersey that’s offered to them. Plus Northrup grew up a FSU fan.
Care to elaborate, Bud?
Any specifics? Sounds like JHC had a great visit as well, but would love to know more if possible. Been quiet this weekend on the recruiting front with the exception of a few tweets and texts. No one has posted any detailed stories on it yet. Also, if we get Peat in next weekend (never really thought we’d land him, but anyway…), are there any more visitors coming? Last weekend before NSD, figure we’d do well to have the last crack at some of our targets. Also, any further info on Watson? Seems like a lot of folks just assumed Watson was ours but nothing concrete has come out regarding his status in the past week or so that I can remember.
He said he was looking to get that feeling again. I hope he got it!
He got “that feeling” on his last and it had faded over time.He got "that feeling on his last and it had faded over time. He said at the UA game that that feeling had faded some over time but he fully expected to get it again when he took his OV.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
"fixed above comment"
He said, at the UA game that he got “that feeling” on his last visit to FSU, but it had faded some over time. He fully expected to get “that feeling” again when he took his OV.
Hope he got it!
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Ha, Warchant Editors must read TN. Their front page story is about "the feeling"
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
JHC
Georgia plays a 3-4 defense, I’m not sure how he would fit in?
one or both
If somehow we were able to pull jhc would we still take northrup?
I think so. Not totally sure. Would probably have Northrup wait until the last minute as to not scare off JHC
by Bud Elliott on Jan 22, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
LB
I view JHC as more of a strong Safety type and Nothrup as more of a pure LB, It may depend on what the coaches think as to who would fill out in a couple of years to play at. We want big DB’s and JHC is an athlete.
He’s more of a quick, lean pass-rusher (JHC).
by Bud Elliott on Jan 22, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
With our size on the dline
we can definitely afford to have some smaller Telvin Smith like players at linebacker.
F-L-O-R-I-D-A S-T-A-T-E FLORIDA STATE FLORIDA STATE FLORIDA STATE WOOOOOOOO!!!
KTBFFH!!
#JesusisLord
by Noleforever9399 on Jan 22, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
We also got some monsters like Jones, Luc, Holmes, Williams so a few smaller guys is a good change of pace
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Yeah definitely
its good to have a nice mix imo, we don’t have to have all huge linebackers.
F-L-O-R-I-D-A S-T-A-T-E FLORIDA STATE FLORIDA STATE FLORIDA STATE WOOOOOOOO!!!
KTBFFH!!
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by Noleforever9399 on Jan 22, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like...
Northrup is still solid to Miami after his FSU visit…according to everything I’ve heard and read.
"In the Roman Missal of Saint Pius V, as in several Eastern liturgies, there are very beautiful prayers through which the priest expresses the most profound sense of humility and reverence before the Sacred Mysteries: they reveal the very substance of the Liturgy." -- Pope John Paul II
by TridentineNole on Jan 22, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Fowler on his way home...
Don’t read too much into this #Gators RT @ZachAbolverdi: FSU commit Dante Fowler left the Hilton hotel sporting a #Gators shirt
2 hours ago
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I think Fowler would go to FU but he knows FSU is going to beat them like a drum for all 4 of his years in college. So FSU it is the place for him
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Now he is going to make a hat pick on NSD. Although he did say he is still a Nole atm
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Could be worse
Aron Murray be wearing FSU jersey’s and is actualyl the starting QB at UGA for the past 2 years!!! Kids…
by SarasotaSeminole on Jan 22, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
No .... "worse" was Wyatt Sexton wearing UF garb
at the swamp while he was on our team -- I’d rather freeze
by Cigar City Nole on Jan 22, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
He is God, so…
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
by SoCalNole on Jan 22, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Of course he did
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 22, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Who are our most invested
Player-recruiters?
Of the verbally committed, who are working hard on Clemons, Peat, Darby and the other potential Seminoles?
One more question as I wrap my mind around the growing influence of TN. . Could someone who is in the know weigh in on the influence this terrific site has on the very recruits we discuss?
Do they read these threads? Do they ever contribute? Should we keep the impact of what we say about the recruits, in mind?
NoleDoc
See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
Recruits do read threads.
Michael Deeb was deeply disturbed by someone’s comment about taking his shirt off he told me.
All I want for NSD is Eddie Goldman...
I think the posters name was Cory Danielson.
I wouldn’t worry about it too much, but they do read the articles done on them.
All I want for NSD is Eddie Goldman...
We don't want to be known as that kind of site, not that there is anything wrong with that.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Jan 22, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
PLEASE do not post negative comments about recruits in the main articles(front page)
I send links to these recruits after I finish a write up on them. They do read it!!!
by Michael@TN on Jan 22, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
northrup
Bud do you think northrup would be willing to wait considering he’s wanted an offer from us all along. He might think we don’t want him or am i reading this wrong.
Northrup
Im sure im very late, but I just watched some film on Mr. Northrup and I am impressed, of course he has some plays where he uses poor leverage and still dominates(where as in the college game that wont be the case, and you dont want bad habits that will take time to fix) but what encourages me are his feet, his feet allow him to get to the spot on time. Sometimes we tend to get caught up on 40 times and forget about quickness and actually playing football, but this kid is a football player. Im sure im late and all but I really like Northrup
Thanks for your input, LCNOLE. I think 40 times at LB are often overrated.
All I want for NSD is Eddie Goldman...
by DA-2 on Jan 22, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No problem at all
I agree if your ever running 40 yards at LB generally means your chasing and we DONT want that.
See Deeb, Michael...
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Peat updated.
Blake added.
About to do Reggie Northrup.
OV list updated for 1/20.
All I want for NSD is Eddie Goldman...
Any news out of other visits from this weekend?
MEJ? Darby? Watson? Fowler? Anyone else of interest seeing other schools? Thanks!
Saw on ESPN site
Fowler said he is making a “hat pick” on NSD after he had his Gator visit, but he’s still committed to FSU
The kid is immature and craves attention. This really should be nothing new. Let’s not have a huge discussion on this.
Bud is Fowler worth all the drama?
Especially with all the talent on the DL?
I'm starting to think no,
especially if we can replace him with Williams
You mean only, right?
Would you really be okay with losing Dante because of some percieved drama? For all we know he’s playing UF to make us look better on TV when he picks us..hell, he’s a kid, who knows what he’s thinking. Anyone stupid enough to WANT DFjr to go to UF because he’s not stroking the collective ego of Nolenation should just observe until they can contribute something worth reading. Not saying you’re that guy, but this time of year people can sound so ridiculous..just sayin.
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
by Scalpemall on Jan 22, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it’s just people are tired of the excessive flirting with UF and the fact he was telling people last week that he is committed to FSU and will be wearing #16 next year.
I know he is a kid but I don’t think it would be fair to either staff if he is jerking with them.
by nole your enemy on Jan 22, 2012 5:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Im tired of what i percieve to be flirting as well.
Just dont think its wise to rip kids on a public forum. I also have noticed as ive abstained from meaningful convo for a while how sheepishly people behave. Its frustrating when you know most casual bloggers dont know much AND these kids read what most casual bloggers read. Its like this, imo, if you wouldn’t say something in front of a kid who can help your team win, dont type it.
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
He deserves everything folks have said
If he doesn’t want the criticism, he shouldn’t act like he does. Period.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 22, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I just don't want all this drama,
to stick around during his time at FSU, b/c that can be harmful to our whole team. I certainly do not want to give one of our best recruits to UF, but I wish he wasn’t vying for attention constantly. And I would rather have him be more low-key and stop all his drama than “make us look better” by teasing UF. Personally I couldn’t care if he wants to toy with the Gatas, He should just stop making such a big deal out of himself.
This isn't about you
At all. These are kids. Let the staff do what they have to do and enjoy the ride. The drama makes it exciting and you dont sound like a little girl crying about what teenager did during his recruitment.
by NewEraNoles on Jan 22, 2012 7:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'ed for smart perspective.
Thanks Scalpemall!
NoleDoc
See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
by Noledock on Jan 22, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
While i respect your opinion, i can't get over how some of the posters here sound.
Kinda scares me tbh but if im alone in my thought thats it not helpful to bash 5 stars who have been committed to us for how long, so be it.
I agree its annoying what he’s doing. I also see where he’d protect his interests(i.e. potentially being one of four elite DE’s coming in) maybe im overthinking it? Maybe this is just his ego talking…not sure. Just dont wanna be those sour grapes"we didn’t want him anyways" bloggers we tend to steer away from.
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
by Scalpemall on Jan 22, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Kinda scares me tbh but if im alone in my thought thats it not helpful to bash 5 stars who have been committed to us for how long, so be it.
Unlike you, I’m Star Blind.
I treat all 17-year old male strangers as equals.
Again, i think we may have differing opinions but you certainly convey yours with hilarity.
Lmao
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
I came on a little harsh about Fowler,
I should’ve said that, given an option between one or the other, I’d take Williams. But you’re right, I should let the guy do what he wants, and I certainly would prefer to have him in the class than see him go somewhere else.
I certainly would prefer to have him in the class than see him go somewhere else.
We can say that about an awful lot of players. But there is only so much room in the class. In past years, we have seen plenty of highly rated kids never make it to the filed because of maturity and off-the-filed issues (what would a recruiting thread be if someone didn’t mention Willie Downs?). Because Jimbo’s staff is very selective and we have limited spots, some may have legitimate concerns about wasting a spot on a kid who acts much more immature than others because of a legitimate concern that he will never see the field and will have needlessly wasted a bunch of talent and a scholarship spot. Fowler’s disagreement with his coach cost him playing time and his 5th star at least for a while. Coaches aren’t always right and can be jerks too. But when you marry that with what is perceived as jerking with the coaches and flirting with a rival, then it’s going to cause people to wonder how he will react when he’s playing on a team full of 4*-5* players and all of the focus is not on him. Is this a kid who will see the filed at FSU? Will he wind up transferring to Akron just to be the big fish? Or will he change his attitude, get humble, and turn out to be a great DE and make a ton of money? Some people don’t want to see how that will play out b/c they know that more kids wind up being busts than the other way around. Many people would rather see a humble 3* kid develop into a 1st round pick or even make it into the league as a walk-on. Los loves the spotlight as well, but you never saw the perceived herky-jerky.
I don’t think the big thing with Fowler is all of the trips to Hogtown. C.Jones made a lot of trips too b/c it was closer to home. Announcing a hat pull when you’re already committed reminds me at least of Elam. Sporting the rival’s shirt can be understandable on one level-being a polite guest. How would you feel if Nelson wore gata stuff, Northrup wore Can gear, and JHC was sporting Dawg attire while visiting FSU? I wouldn’t ask Fowler to be decked out in G&G in Hogtown just yet. On the other hand, unlike the other guys and C.Jones, Fowler is already committed. It’s really a combination of things that raise red flags about him, most of which are unnecessary.
I’ll leave it up to Jimbo to decide whether Fowler has it together enough to be a Nole.
by NoleLaw on Jan 23, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for the thought-out response,
Can’t say I really disagree with anything you said.
“I’ll leave it up to Jimbo to decide whether Fowler has it together enough to be a Nole.” <— i think that this right here is what we need to remember
There's about 250 replies in the past few Recruiting Threads that if selectively summarized, would arrive at this point.
Great job.
by The K-Man on Jan 23, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll leave it up to Jimbo to decide whether Fowler has it together enough to be a Nole.
If we really wanted to strive for a concise point, we could just leave it at this.
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by RollNole5 on Jan 23, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But we have to have a discussion about it.
There’s another site with folks who love to squash any remotely uncomfortable conversation with, “I’ll leave it up to the coaches to decide who the best players are”.
Of course we do. But if there was no debate, there would be no message boards.
by The K-Man on Jan 23, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks
Just wanted to summarize and put into context what some people see as knee-jerk reactions and some things that aren’t so knee-jerk and really touch nerves with people who have followed FSU recruiting for years. I did my best to be fair to Fowler while also putting some things into context regarding past cycles – similarities and differences. In my mind, it’s a judgment call, which I’ll leave up to Jimbo and the coaches. Should the recruit decide to read the post, it is also an admonishment that raw ability alone does not a great player make – see Mr. Rouse, Mr. Fortson, Mr. Downs, etc. The prize is not being heavily recruited. The true prize comes years later, once a player has proven himself in D-1 ball, interviews well for the next level, and becomes a prize draft pick. There are plenty of players who are more sought after than Mr. Fowler who have not gone his route and will be instant fan favorites because of their ability and their handling of recruiting. I think Mr. Fowler should look beyond the recruiting cycle – look long-term if he has decided where he will play and see what he can do to win fans over rather than antagonize those who would otherwise support him if he should falter. At some point, Jimbo will say enough is enough and I do not think it is in Fowler’s interest to let it get to that point. I’ll let Jimbo draw that line but I also wanted to summarize and put into context what appear to be knee-jerk reactions to various things. Considering the body or work and events, there are legitimate concerns. Fowler’s ability and talent are questioned by anyone. His conduct and behavior are the kind that touch nerves of some who have been around longer than Fowler – with the prime example of someone committed to FSU drawing hats in front of a national audience. Last time that happened was when Elam flipped back to UF at the AA game. Not a way to win friends and influence people. C.Jones was different b/c he had never committed to anyone.
by NoleLaw on Jan 23, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Christian Jones also signed with FSU.
A LOT of people would have been sour if he went elsewhere.
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Elam would still have been a good addition to the team
You should just follow choir recruitment down at the church I think :)
There ya go!
Im with ya bro…NSD is gonna be good!#excitingtimes
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 22, 2012 1:27 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
So easy, even a caveman can do it!
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by Miaminole on Jan 22, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
My pure guesses
Maguire, Aguayo, or Stuckey. All the rest are too highly rated (imo) to take a grey shirt.
by SeminoleDynastyMP on Jan 22, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
or needed
Like already enrolled Beatty
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jan 22, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
whoever it is
it shows that our staff feel confident about NSD
Championship!
by TLHWG on Jan 22, 2012 2:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What is a grayshirt again?
I think I knew at one time, but Ive seen the term pop up here and there lately and I cant remember.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 22, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
kid gets a scholly for 2013 rather than 2012,
doesn’t enroll in collegiate school or takes a limited number of classes and pays for himself, which pauses his eligibility clock.
the next year he enrolls as a frosh. Then takes a redshirt, then a medical redshirt and is 30, balding, has 3-6 kids and an alcoholic when he graduates.
"Sweet baby Jesus on Fire, I'm need of a damn lawyer and a miracle to pull my ass out of this."
by harper.rb on Jan 22, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
in other words, Chris Weinke.
(uh, except for the alcoholism and kids)
by PeachTreeNole on Jan 22, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
That is good news
We must be filling up this class, I have been worried?
How is this different from what Bama did though?
Will the be spun negatively by other teams? I hope things work out to where he get’s a scholly like they did for Barron last year.
BAMA
It became negative, when the kid didn’t want to be grey shirted.
It started with the kid saying he was OK with the grey shirt ...
then changed his mind.
Maybe this falls into the kicker/punter exception.
BTW, I guess our punter has to be happy he has already EE’d.
As long as it was on the table from the beginning ...
it’s night & day from Alabama.
Team Player
Thank you Aquayo for already being a team player. Can not wait to see you kick a game winner one day.
It honestly works in his favor.
He pays for a few classes (maybe even covered with bright futures), saves a year of playing time, gets to work with Dustin in the summer. Gets to go to all the FSU for a year. He’ll be on scholarship getting his master’s for free.
One question..If we were to win the NC in 2012 would he get a ring???
NolesRx
NoleTide!
just because you're not on scholarship, I believe you are still on the team.
correct me if I am wrong but I think this is the case.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 22, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure he is not on the team
The point is to not start his eligibility clock
Not on the team
can’t train or even eat with the team
as for the original question, since he would enroll in January, he’d prolly be on the team at that point and would probably get a ring.
"Sweet baby Jesus on Fire, I'm need of a damn lawyer and a miracle to pull my ass out of this."
Yes, I think this is right
He’d be formally on the team when we won the game.
Shawn Powell grey-shirted as well.
I would say that turned out alright.
How common is it for teams to have two scholarship kickers/punters simultaneously for the same position (ie, Powell/Beatty or Hopkins/Aguayo)?
by ttubasketball on Jan 22, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Powell is already done, so no overlap there
and this will give us Aguayo for 4 years after Hopkins finishes; makes perfect sense to me as long as one of the walk-ons is decent enough to cover an injury week, just in case
I agree and I know there was no overlap with Powell. I was just curious how common it was for a team to have two scholarship kickers or punters simultaneously.
by ttubasketball on Jan 22, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
not unusual
To sign and redshirt a kicked or a punter where the redshirt year overlaps with another’s senior year. Typically done to guarantee a replacement ready to go, or when there’s a thin class the next year
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jan 22, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
the walk ons aren't exactly confidence inspiring
I’d rather have Bama’s kicker circa LSU game 1, kicking lefty, balancing an egg on a spoon in his mouth, while juggling flaming chainsaws
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
Are you saying this
because you have seen them kick and were driven to concern or because of the term walk-on? (serious question) There are actually some pretty good kickers sitting at schools like FSU who went there for other reasons than football.
I don’t think so, because this was not exactly new to him IIRC. Heck, we even thought it could turn out this way in the original commitment thread.
A lot of discussion on taking 2 kickers
Now we have one early and one next year-perfect. You would think the coaches might have a clue on what they are doing.
grayshirt isn’t pulling a scholarship
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
it sorta is.
"Sweet baby Jesus on Fire, I'm need of a damn lawyer and a miracle to pull my ass out of this."
meh, you are getting one the second semester.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
yes. but if you pull the greyshirt offer after signing day.
who hears about it?
its like asking your wife for an open marriage. You get the girl you want and you might get lucky and have the wife stick around and cook you dinner.
"Sweet baby Jesus on Fire, I'm need of a damn lawyer and a miracle to pull my ass out of this."
another question is what does this do for the class ranking?
given Aguayo was not rated very high this should help us in class rankings.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 22, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Does for the Rivals if we stay 20 or under
I don’t think the other classes have similar systems.
"Sweet baby Jesus on Fire, I'm need of a damn lawyer and a miracle to pull my ass out of this."
Coaches want to spread out our DE class
Formerly known as 'stilts'
by BenDNole on Jan 22, 2012 2:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Whats the reasoning behind the greyshirt as opposed to just redshirting him?
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Jan 22, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
It allows FSU to take another recruit this time without having to get rid of a current roster player. FSU still has the academic cheating scandal failed classes in its APR calculation. I can name 10 guys who would be gone at a Bama or LSU, but FSU cannot do that right now because of the APR concerns. This opens up additional room without hurting APR.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 22, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great answer. Safe to assume we might be taking a couple more kids than originally thought?
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Jan 22, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
No, I think they were going to take 18-22 the the entire time. But this just lets them pump up that APR score a bit more.
But does this mean it will be closer to the 22 side of it.
probably so right. they don’t do this if they are taking 20
Timing of the announcement
They must know who is coming.
My guess:
Goldman
Watson
Blake
Darby
JHC
Northrup
Giving us 22
JHC?
Is that based on inside information or wishful thinking?
Reading between the lines
They wouldn’t announce the Kicker grey shirting unless they got a something extra today
don't agree. I think they were already doing that.
take off Blake and JHC and that’s what I think our finish is.
I need to get more info on APR. I do not know much about what it is all about
Btw, what does APR stand for?
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
It allows FSU to take another recruit this time without having to get rid of a current roster player. FSU still has the academic cheating scandal failed classes in its APR calculation. I can name 10 guys who would be gone at a Bama or LSU, but FSU cannot do that right now because of the APR concerns. This opens up additional room without hurting APR.
when does the scandal stop impacting APR?
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 22, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
the ratings follow a 4 year rolling period to determine the school's points
scandal was in 2009? so after 2013 i guess.
"Sweet baby Jesus on Fire, I'm need of a damn lawyer and a miracle to pull my ass out of this."
it seems like a long time ago..but i think your right on 09.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 22, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Punishment came out in Mar 2009.
The infractions occurred in 2006 and 2007. All of the football players were suspended during the 2007 season.
Bud and I were discussing this today
I THINK he said it will be over after the 2012 season, but not sure. Give or take a semester
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
How long until the cheating incident is off our APR calculation?
Greatness is consistency and performance over a long period of time - CJF
If our kicker greyshirts, can he still practice with the team during that time?
IMO I think the timing of this looks as if we might’ve got a wink or two this weekend. Sweet.
by jenolesone on Jan 22, 2012 5:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Guys, please cut out telling jokes and stupid stuff in this thread. It gets too clogged this close to signing day. off-topic stuff or stuff clearly not related to recruiting will get you a one-day ban. As will purposefully posting stupid stuff.
Asking questions already answered in the current thread? Also a one-day ban. Just don’t have time for it. Thanks!
by Bud Elliott on Jan 22, 2012 2:17 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Respectfully I didn't know this site was ran out of Russia
And I think that takes away from what makes this the best site for all things garnet and gold.
by Nole_holds_barred on Jan 22, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 18 recs
Them's the rules. Please comply.
What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on Jan 22, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
No problem with that.
But do it here: http://www.tomahawknation.com/2012/1/16/2711452/ongoing-off-topic-discussion-thread-68
What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on Jan 22, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Wow...
only been a poster for about a year. been reading here since its infancy. NOT a fan of this comment. I’ll ban myself for a day due to this post (as I know it is not related to recruiting), but don’t forget who your audience is, and why we enjoy this site.
by SFLOnole on Jan 22, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Is it really so difficult to keep the off-topic stuff in the off-topic thread?
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 22, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
You enjoy the site because of the many people that do their jobs for free. Don't forget the countless
hours I’ve dedicated to this site. Others as well. I’d understand you complaining if this was a paysite, and I was making my living off this. Unfortunately, we’re all fitting a square peg in a circle. The software and layout isn’t built to handle these many comments so quickly. It’s just the nature of the beast we all have to deal with as a team. Is it really so hard for you to keep the off topic stuff in another thread? And I’m only asking you to do it for a month (10 more days at this point). Bring it back when April comes back up… when this thread isn’t averaging 600 comments an hour?
All I want for NSD is Eddie Goldman...
by DA-2 on Jan 22, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
hey hey hey,
slow down (just kidding). I have no gripe with TN. Best site for FSU news….ever. And I understand you all work on a limited (or non) budget. But I’m a person that works in marketing with a degree in computer science. So if I get out of line once in a while please just ignore me.
None of us get paid to do this man
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 22, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not tense at all. Just clarifying
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 22, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcha :)
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 22, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
If *I* can do it...........ANYONE can.
Seriously—it causes me physical pain to bypass any opportunity to make fun of something/someone.
Especially when that something/someone rhymes with “You Hem” or “Flow Id Uh Waiters”.
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by DRusso97 on Jan 22, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I make off comment jokes as much and probably more so than the next guy
But i do appreciate, if not hard work, then the tedious work it takes to moderate and manage these boards.
I know its a pain to have to make a new thread every 400 posts, and frustratingly so when you have 200 rhetorical come-backs, on the other hand if you let a thread get up past 800, the people start complaining about loading times.
I cannot promise I will always remember, but I respect and agree with the board rule to keep the recruiting threads a little tighter than they have been, for the sake of the moderators sanity and Bud’s in-box.
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by harper.rb on Jan 22, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
any word on how MEJ's visit to LSU went?
by TheRenegade29 on Jan 22, 2012 3:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i it anything to worry about?
by TheRenegade29 on Jan 22, 2012 6:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I really hope this is true.
My brother is a big LSU fan (went there for a year) and he said that the LSU sites are saying that they have some big news after this weekend. I told him I doubted that it was MEJ-related and I REALLY hope I’m right on this one.
by seminoleballer on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Have some free time today so I'm gOing to try and get ahold of CB Colin Blake
As most know he finally eliminated A&M. Not sure why most recruiting analyst thing OU is the team to beat which I disagree with. He had a great connection to Willie Martinez(OU)main recruiter. Which is a big deal this late in the game and Martinez was his position coach. He did tell me he liked the atmoshpere in Norman. I really feel it’s between TCU and FSU. TCU made up a lot of momentum by hiring DB coach Chad Glasglow. He also has a good friend at TCU in CB Kolby Griffin. Distance won’t play a huge factor as Blake has move around a lot in his life(from England I believe)
by Michael@TN on Jan 22, 2012 3:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Should we read into him de-committing while on his OV to TCU or is the timing not that big of a deal?
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by Michael@TN on Jan 22, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you. Do you think we will have any other commit before NSD now?
Obsessed with Seminole football!!
Doubt it unless Northrup flips
Usually when guys flip it happens soon after their visit. So if it does happen I expect it to be soon.
Blake, Darby, Goldman are all NSD guys. OT Menalik has gone back in forth but looks to be a NSD guy(I’m not as confident as I was that we land him)
by Michael@TN on Jan 22, 2012 8:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
sounds like Winston had a good time
Josh Newberg posted on twitter that Winston has solidified his commitment, because he doesn’t want there to be any drama.
Wish Peat would have made it, Winston seems to be the guy peoria want to team up with
by nole your enemy on Jan 22, 2012 4:02 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Josh Newberg says Jimbo is also visiting Tracy Howard today.
by Kenow92 on Jan 22, 2012 4:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Jimbo's in home visit is next week
Howard had his official visit to FSU back in November.
by nolesblogger on Jan 22, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
2013 QB Asiantii Woulard
will visit Saturday. Has all the physical tools you could ask for 6-5 215 right now and has only played football for 3 years and QB for 1
by reid-the-manuel on Jan 22, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions
I like Woulard and Akeem Jones with their size/arm strength/speed, but do they have the football IQ will be the big question for me
Akeem Jones is a workout/camp warrior right now who hasn’t translated it to the field yet
Cord Sandberg is the top QB in the state imo for 2013, and I also feel he is better then any 2012 QB prospect in the state of Florida.
woulard needs to be more accurate
but as far as pure talent goes…he is off the charts. Reminds me a lot of winston as far as personality goes.
by reid-the-manuel on Jan 22, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
goes to my highschool
I went up against him in practice everyday, he is more athlete than QB right now, he has great arm strength and size in 7 on 7 he is unstoppable. Against a pass rush his decision making is questionable at best
by reid-the-manuel on Jan 22, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
So if Northrup is solid
And JHC is a pipe dream, are there any other viable options still undecided/available?
Legacy starts now!
by Nole954 on Jan 22, 2012 5:40 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
You never
know whats going on behind the scenes, have faith in the staff.
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If by "solid" you mean "flipping to FSU any second now", then yes.......Northrup is solid to Miami.
He’s FSU’s to lose or not sign right now.
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by DRusso97 on Jan 22, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Opinion
Is he (Northrup) the best LB on the board right now? We need two LB’s in this class right? Clemons may not come or may be to thin to help for a couple of years so I say take Northrup.
Yeah, a lot of people prefer Northrup.
Clemmons is a really good athlete, but Northrup seems the better LB at the moment.
These are people, not Pokemon cards
Just cause you collect them all doesn’t mean they hand you a trophy. The players that want to play here will sign here, and there’s a whole lot of talent that wants to play here.
Breathe easy everyone… it is a great time to be a Nole.
by Bravo! on Jan 22, 2012 5:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
What is going on?
Sorry guys but us old guys can not understand what is going on with all the chatter posts. Peat did not make the trip, has it been rescheduled or is Coach Fisher going west to visit? Did Northrup decommit from the canes? Can Winston call Peat; is that legal?
Peat had a family “Crisis” and couldn’t make it he said he would try to reschedule. Northrup hasn’t decommited to my knowledge but enjoyed his visit and is expected to.
peat will have to reschedule after feb 1
Or mid week this week. Next weekend is some sort of dead or quiet period.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jan 22, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Any news on Darby's visit to Clemmons College?
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
was a tweet
He will now probably announce after NSD…
But you never know during this close to NSD, if a site isn’t just trying to generate subs.
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Why is Darby waiting till after NSD? FSU has had the best track program in the nation the past decade. Our football is on the rise to an elite level again. Idk what he needs to think about?
Winston might need to wait an extra day due to playing in an All-Star game on February 1st. Although it only takes 5 minutes to fax a LOI.
Wonder why Clemson is saying Darby will decide after NSD?
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Clumsum is saying what?
Why would clumsum say something like that? Does Caoch Fisher have an in home visit with Darby scheduled? Can the track coach visit or would that be against the rules?
Why is Darby waiting till after NSD? FSU has had the best track program in the nation the past decade. Our football is on the rise to an elite level again. Idk what he needs to think about?
Because it’s a choice that will impact his LIFE pretty much forever.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Jan 23, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FWIW CU track coach on record saying they want multiple FB players, and that he doesn't talk with Dabo much. Inter-program communication is NOT good there
This only helps to bolster our chances
I thought it was funny about Ricardo Louis
Days before he commited to FSU the Auburn rivals site had an article out titled “signing day decision”. Look how that turned out lol.
I just saw that Ronald Darby is a 5* at the top of the TN page. Nice!
Ronald Darby
Scout – 5*
247 – 5*
Max Preps – 5*
Rivals – 4*
ESPN – 4*
The Ringer – 4*
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Oh yeah, he's good. He's really good.
I was late to the Darby party since he wasn’t on our radar, but apparently everyone else in the country already knew how good he is.
really like Darby.
big and fluid
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My good (and trustworthy/knowledgable) friend lives close to Goldman's HS
DISCLAIMER: my buddy is a HUGE Bama fan.
but says he saw Goldman out and asked him what the latest was. my friend said he was told 50’50 between fsu and auburn. but he did the chop.
by SFLOnole on Jan 22, 2012 7:28 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Awesome!
Still feel great about him
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 22, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Update
Last I heard Maryland was making a big push for him, so are they out? With Bama at 800 commits now how can they make room?
You near DC too?
I work downtown. I should try to find Eddie and see what’s up.
I mean, obviously I’m just kidding, but if anyone wants to get together a laundry bag of money, just send it my way and I’ll get it to Goldman.
could be a mistake....
He would naturally assume that it came from clemp$un……would suck to pay him AND lose him!!
Florida IS the state of college football....And Tallahassee is its Capitol!!!!
by Mellocello63 on Jan 22, 2012 8:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
not anywhere close to DC
friend is. and met him outside of a bar. #I’mSureHeWasn’tDrinking
He needed to do this
In order to stir up as much controversy and talk as possible once he re-establishes the visit later in the week.
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by Nattylite on Jan 22, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Stuff like this is unnecessary. I know you are trying to be humorous but why mock a 5* or any good athlete we have a legit shot @ landing this close to signing day?That question is rhetorical.
by CrimiNole Defense on Jan 22, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
No, what's unnecessary is making a commitment, then acting like a premadonna throughout the entire process.
What’s unnecessary is committing to a school that has other options, then taking 200 visits to it’s rival.
I’m not the one who made the choices, I’m just calling a spade a spade.
If you don’t want to be mocked, don’t make a mockery of what it means to make a commitment.
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by Nattylite on Jan 22, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
IIRC Fowler only took 2 OVs: FSU & UF
pretty rare for a 5*… don’t know where he UOV-ed though
Championship!
Lost count how many times he's been to UF
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 22, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but he's going to sign with FSU
that’s gotta piss off Gator fans more than he’s pissed off FSU fans, no?
Championship!
Did Jernigan visit FSU a lot?
I don’t remember but I don’t think he did, and he remained committed to UF all the way up until NSD, IIRC.
by FSUActuary on Jan 22, 2012 10:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Re Fowler, bottom line is that FSU fans don't like that
he’s flirting with UF, IMO. B/c both Fowler and MEJ have been quoted in the media (accurately or not)m e,g,m I’ll decide on NSD, I’m open, etc., but MEJ has actually been quoted as saying that FSU wasn’t his leader; and MEJ has taken more OVs (Texas, OU, LSU). It’s the Gata-bias that we all have.
Championship!
Fowler has been a lot more leading and manipulative with his statements and actions than MEJ have, IMO.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
We have more coverage and access to DF being in florida.
Fowler also does not have a dad that played at FSU.
I hope we keep fowler, he is an extreme talent.
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MEJ
has repeatedly say we are not his leader throughout the past several months. Fowler has never done that
by newdynastynole on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Parsing words. ESPN has taken 2 quotes ridiculously out of context to make their #1 appear uncommitted.
A – the “LSU and Texas are probably my top 2” from several months back. The question was along the lines of “you’re committed to FSU, outside of those schools, what others are you considering?” Yet ESPN ran several stories based off this. In fact, I think this was the quote that sparked their decommitment story.
2 – this recent “Texas is my #1”. He clarified that in the next line of that interview, saying that he had only taken OV’s to one school, and that they led in the schools he had OV’d to. In other words, he said Texas was #1 of 1.
D – ESPN is selling skrips on him by parsing his words. It’s frustrating as a fan, but good business for them.
by jmnpb996 on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Thank you for posting this.
Very good information for everyone with questions regarding MEJ.
REC’D!
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
The point is that Fowler has done nothing worse than MEJ, yet several people here criticize Fowler and not MEJ. Personally, I think what MEJ did was worse than what Fowler is doing, hence why TN even took MEJ off of our “committed” list. I have no problem with Fowler wanting to pick a hate on NSD. If he picks FSU, it will be great to have an appearance on national TV. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for him and every other player fortunate to have it. Let him have his moment. He has said several times in the past few weeks that he is solid to FSU. I really think we need to stop bashing him. I am getting off my soapbox now haha.
by newdynastynole on Jan 23, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Additionally,
he did say he had a top 3, which included FSU. At least during this particular interview, your argument that “outside of [FSU]” is incorrect (though in this interview he didnt mention an order of this top 3.
""I’d say right now it’s LSU, Texas and Florida State," he told the DMN on Thursday. “I want to go where I can get my degree in 3 1/2 years. I can do that at those three schools and all three use their defensive ends great. They really want their ends to get after it.” "
by newdynastynole on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you - I was just pointing out how much of the MEJ talk is misinformation by supposedly legitimate recruiting services
I agree that Fowler will sign with us. He had a period where a flip to UF seemed possible, but that’s long behind us. Every comment and interview points to him signing with us on NSD.
Like I’ve said before, an 18 year old boy realizes he can put himself on ESPN, and text girls to tell them he’ll be on ESPN. He’s not attention seeking at that point – he’s smart. Chicks dig the hat pick.
ah ok
I am very biased towards Fowler and his abilities on the field, so I had to defend him, ya know :)
by newdynastynole on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Agree with CrimiNole...
Don’t get your Natty in a knot. This close to NSD tread lightly on potentially sensitive student athletes staff are trying hard to recruit. Who knows whether young recruits follow our ramblings, or hear of it from others? (that question is rhetorical)
Those "potentially sensitive student athletes" are entering the world of college football.
If posts from a message board upset them, how do you think they’ll fare from regional or national media stories?
I’m not too worried about them getting upset over message boards. These kids have thick skin and if anything, should let negative comments motivate them.
Finally, if you’re going to act foolish publicly, be prepared for negative attention.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
NT&T
I dont have the “discussion board cred” yet to explain to some folks here that the frustration with DF is nothing new and that it has been a pervasive theme throughout the cycle. It seems as though there is this sudden sensitivity to the issue. Please explain, as only you (and possibly a few others) can that there will be no ground swell of support for the way DF has handled his recruitment. Thanks
"Recruiting is like shaving. You better do it everyday or you will look like a bum"
I don't have board creds
But I’ve lived long and prospered since the Lane Fenner catch I saw as a student. I just remember being 17.
A few thoughts:
1. 17 yr old kids don’t have thick skins. Hell, they have NO SKIN at all covering their raw nerve endings.
2. Some of us are closer to 17 than others.
3. Brothers and Sister Noles, we are kicking butt again!!
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See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
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in home with Fowler tonight, see if we sign Williams tomorrow…/stirpot
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Either or
Fowler is a top talent but Williams is also. Just do not want to lose both in the same year. I will be happy with both thank you very much.
By the end of today maybe we will see either a commit or decommit
Or in next 48 hours and will be telling on whos coming
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Why is everyone so certain we won't land JHC?
It seems like there are a lot of reasons to think we have a good shot at landing him. From our history with his school, to our strong D-line. And I am pretty sure he could play just as fast here, if not faster, then he could at UGA
Perhaps because we haven't really been in the picture his entire recruitment?
Not for lack of trying, just lack of interest on his part.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 22, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
We haven't been big players for him for awhile.
He’s been loving UF and UGA. I doubt one good visit changes his mind. We will see.
We def made up some ground this weekend, but probably gonna stay home in Ga
That would suck for UGa to miss on Lee, Eligwe, and Clemons
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by mobaynole on Jan 22, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would want to play for Hudson more than any coach. He seems like a real kool dude
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
If Chip Kelly signs with the Bucs
Wonder how that would influence some recruits out west.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 22, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
St Pete Times reporting it's happening
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/article1211857.ece
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Hell yeah !
Chip is one of the few college HC’s I’d personally hire for an NFL team. Maybe he drafts LaMichael James to pair with Blount again.
by Tony Mustian on Jan 23, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
Kelly no longer going tp TB
ESPN is reporting his “heart is in Oregon” and is no longer being considered.
I'm pissed, stupidly got my hopes for for Kelly brining offensive creativity to the Bucs.
by Tony Mustian on Jan 23, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Why get your hopes up for ANYTHING regarding the Bucs when Burp, Slurp, and Sigmund are running the show.
They are bumbling wannabees, and they have ZERO intentions of spending the money required to put a competitive franchise on the field. Those days vanished when Malcolm passed the torch to the idiot sons and Rich McKay left for Atlanta.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Jan 23, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
So Jimbo and company need to get to work.
Assuming this Chip Kelly to Tampa Bay stuff is true
Yeah from what I've seen he committed but not signed.
I really hope our staff puts the full court press on him
I live down near Tampa
Everyone is saying mixed things about it here. I’m a jaguars fan though. I think it would hurt Oregon’s class. Not sure it is going to effect FSU though (aside from Kyle Long if he hasn’t signed yet)
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So is kiffin behind this or sanctions?
by ttubasketball on Jan 22, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Pender
I think he has a shot to be my favorite player in this class.. What a beast! Definitely gets a lot of touches this year..
Only if his character issues are
Breaking big runs & scoring TD’s.
by FullTimeNole on Jan 22, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
i think the early enrolling says something
by booshigotyou on Jan 22, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Shows he’s willing to overcome adversity and work towards a goal
by FullTimeNole on Jan 22, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Says they want him out of that environment ASAP … Good kid with immaturity issues from time to time from what i gather
He's the Noel Devine we never had ;-)
by Widespread Seminole on Jan 23, 2012 2:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
only bigger, right? Noel was a slight thing, IIRC….
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by Mellocello63 on Jan 23, 2012 3:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes he was at about 185 at his largest...
Kid could fly though and was extremely strong for his size.
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i just really hope he is one of those impact players that goes down in FSU history like a dunn, ward, warrick
by booshigotyou on Jan 22, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Don't blame you one bit
He should be a very good one for FSU
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 22, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
I agree Pender is a great talent...
I just hope we can open enough holes for him to showcase said talent
by Albany_Nole on Jan 23, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Chip Kelly is finalizing a deal to become head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Can we scoop up Kyle Long for the O-line?
If God told me to root for the Gators, I'd tell him to go to hell.
Not sure he was very interested in FSU
Not sure FSU tried hard to get him back either
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 22, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
If we just wrote him off after he committed I doubt it
Gotta keep the line of communication open. But that’s Jimbo & co.’s specialty
by FullTimeNole on Jan 22, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, don't think they tried very hard.
He’s also a 1 and one I think…
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So he knows the definition of commitment?
by FullTimeNole on Jan 22, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure
Just saying I don’t think there is much interest on FSU’s end.
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Then why aren't the coaches all over him?
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 22, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
a player being commited does not stop a team from pursuing
see: MEJ, Fowler, Winston, PJ, etc…
So if I take this comment it and add it to what NT&T said above
You guys are saying that the only players in the nation we would take are the guys we are all over right now. If that is not what you guys are saying then please explain to me what you are trying to say,
I'm saying that if our coaches aren't recruiting him, chances are fantastic that they aren't interested in taking him.
That’s usually how recruiting works.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 23, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
At every position except OL
I get nore frustrated with Trickett the more I think about this.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 23, 2012 8:56 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, not a big fan of this waiting until 10 days before signing to make moves on OL recruits.
When it comes to the OL, we recruit like Miami. Would rather not have just filler here, but quality like every other position on the team.
You don’t find many Rodney Hudson’s out there late in the recruiting game.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
really?
last year he closer with Matias and Barron who turned out pretty good and you want to call that filler?
People need to remember how good Trickett has been and forget one bad year.
So he got lucky again, got it.
…and both of those still have a lot to prove.
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And Jackson. That’s not getting lucky.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 23, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As I recall...
He brought a pretty good 3* center prospect with him to FSU that he had recruited to WVU named Rodney Hudson.
Using anecdotal evidence is such a great way to argue
He’s also left us dependent on Freshmen in positions we shouldn’t be by taking 1 HS lineman in 2010 and having an abysmal 2009 class.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 23, 2012 10:14 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Meh
the dismissal of an enormous amount of key injuries that would have decimated any team in the country seems duly noted here.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 23, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not even talking about on field performance
This is a recruiting thread. Therefore I am keeping my comments isolated to only his recruiting. He struck out in 2010. He’s in the process of striking out in 2011. 2009 was really nothing to write home about. He’s had the least recruiting success of our entire staff.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 23, 2012 1:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The fact that you think 2009 was nothing to write home about destroys any argument you are trying to make.
And if you count family emergencies, 4-stars who show up 60lbs overweight, and 4-stars who decide after 3 weeks they miss home, all leading to transfers striking out on the recruiting trail, then there is no reason to debate because you’re dismissing the fundamentals of recruiting, which is getting talented guys to sign up and make it to campus.
Trickett has done that.
Now if you want to talk about development or how he handles his players, that is a different story, but I feel that he has recruited better than he is getting credit for.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 23, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
So you're argument, if I'm reading it correctly, is that signing a quality class every two years is acceptable?
Attrition is something he can’t control. Neither are injuries or Aubrey Phillips’s eating habits. But our reliance on, and therefore waste of one of Bobby Hart’s years of eligibility, falls on him taking Foose and a whole lot of nothing in 2010.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 23, 2012 1:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
For Bobby Hart to play there were many more problems that had to occur that had nothing to do with recruiting
But I will agree recruiting is a part of it.
And if by quality class you mean #1 in the country then yeah, I’m cool with that.
Attrition and injuries are impossible to control, but if there was not an impossibly large # of both then we would not even be having this discussion. I’m simply saying that every team in America would be doing this if they had 6 of the top 9 players go down in a year.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 23, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
And yet here we are
Taking 2 JuCo OL in this class.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 23, 2012 1:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
We have young talent on OL.
Don’t forget that the 2011 class is staggered with 2 redshirts.
2013 we need 4-6 good OL prospects and we’ll be fine. Sky isn’t falling. Trickett is regarded as a great OL coach for a reason.
We’re not talking about a situation where it’s crappy talent being coached by crappy coaches. This OL will be fine going forward.
The 2010 offensive line was pretty good.
The 2011 line would have been better without all of the injuries.
by tuscaloosa-nole on Jan 23, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna laugh
when Theus, Goodman, Flowers, and Peat sign with FSU on NSD
#theyseemeTROLLIN
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He had one good year of recruiting since he has been here
You’re like someone at a blackjack table who splits 10’s, wins both hands and thinks you made a good decision. Just because something worked doesn’t mean it’s the right decision.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 23, 2012 9:38 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
This is what I was trying to say before I gave up.
Great analogy.
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Actually, I take that back
Miami would have (2) not-rated and (3) 1-star projects who are “ed reed type diamonds in the rough” at this point. Only they would be on offense.
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Gotta be Trickett & Jimbo
Jimbo is the OC, so he knows what he likes in an OL. Jimbo is also (mostly?) to blame for poor OL recruiting (except 2011, of course).
Championship!
For not demanding more out of his friend, yes.
But there’s a reason OL has been the 1 position we haven’t had elite recruiting at for the last 5 years.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 23, 2012 10:16 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
demanding more out of his friend
weak retort, IMO, shifting the issue from recruiting to something else…now sure what. Look I don’t like Trickett’s personality and think it’s counter-productive in many cases, but OL recruiting is a collective responsibility that—like all things FB-related—stops with the HC. The performance of the 2011 OL was a byproduct of horrible injuries and players recruited by Bowden, who recruited almost every position poorly toward the end of his HC career, not just OL. In fact, FSU isn’t known as a mecca for elite OL unlike some of our in-state rivals and other regional programs.
Championship!
I was saying that our OL situation being Jimbo's fault would be largely because Jimbo has allowed Trick to get away with "waiting for senior film" and taking "Trickett specials" for years.
Clearly Jimbo (anf most likely Trickett) can evaluate talent. It’s done successfully year in and year out at every other position. If kids don’t want to play for a guy with a hard personality, I can understand that. But I don’t think that’s really the issue. The issue is kids don’t wanna come to a school where they have less of a relationship with their future position coach (more often than not) when they can go somewhere equally elite and they’ve known the guy who will be coaching them in college for a while. Look at Odell. His region isn’t Maryland, but it’s his relationship with Goldman that’s gonna land him. Yes, recruiting is done by region but to assume that Trickett has nothing to do with our failing to sign kids who play OL but live in someone else’s region is to be willfully blind.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ah
good point, re Sr film. And we agree that RT’s personality hinders (possibly hurts) his ability to recruit.
Championship!
Great points guys
Together you two have summarized the situation in a realistic manner. I appreciate how you highlighted Jimbo’s specific faults. I think a more succinct way of putting it is to say that Jimbo has allowed Rick Trickett to continue using his methods. Regardless of how much weight you place on waiting for senior film or the unpleasant personality, it comes down to relationship building. If you do not start early enough, strong coach-player relations cannot be adequately built. Moreover, his gruff and occasionally cruel demeanor is not going to help when you get on a kid late. Perhaps it would work for a goober like Dabo, but not out RT. Then again, if he were to approach and heavily recruit offensive lineman early, his personality might turn off some high caliber prospects. In the end it comes down to personality, which is more important to recruiting than coaching.
Go tell it to Moses.
by FLpanhandler on Jan 23, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
not really
I do agree with NT&T, if we’re not after the player hard right now, no chance of getting him
my comment was more towards the fact that even when a player commits, other schools don’t stop recruiting; so, Long being committed would not stop our coaches
He had his GT offer pulled when he took a visit to FSU on the last weekend, but very close to NSD.
He wasn’t on anyone’s radar that I recall, save the coaches.
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hem missed either his junior or senior year
and a lot of teams didn’t get in on him until late
I think Jackson got like 12 offers in a 2 day period
I thought it had something to do with his film, or his injury, or something.
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i think it was discussed that he only has 1 year of eligibility left.
doubt the staff would take him for a year
Coach Fisher visited Nelson Agholor tonight..
“Just had coach fisher over for dinner. Don’t know where I’m going but I know I can alone thank god for bring this far” – Nelson Agholor via Twitter. I have a feeling he isn’t exactly a lock for UF wouldn’t be surprised to see him go elsewhere.
Saw him talking to a USC player who is transferring not too long ago.
He seemed a little worried about them.
Still waiting on my
Tricket special. Do we get a greyshirt or last minute OL recruit and if so who? After reviewing our depth specificly under classman, 9 when you add Orelus and Foose to last years class, ending up with only Watson and Glasier wouldn’t be a bad thing. We could just consider Pettis and Carter our freshmen for this class since they where the only ones to redshirt.
by MeBeFirst on Jan 22, 2012 11:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I dunno that we get one.
A week ago, I’d have banked on it…but now, with the addition of Louis, and names like Menelik Watson, Leonard Williams, and JHC coming into play, I just dont see the room.
Then again, ya never know!
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Scelfo maybe, don't know who else is out there
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 23, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
grayshirt yes ala Barron
Im starting to think this class will have no room for a 3* OL center. If he played tackle,or even guard maybe.
by MeBeFirst on Jan 23, 2012 4:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Originally offered as a Greyshirt
Once a spot opened up for whatever reason,Jimbo brought him in early. I’m ok with that. Basically means we can add another recruit to this class and wait to see attrition do the dirty work.
by MeBeFirst on Jan 24, 2012 12:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 23, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest Eddie Goldman scares me.
We are said to be the favorite but it was the same way with Steward. I’m scared to get my hopes up.
I recall Steward was leaning to us and then we lost him last second
Goldman is no better than 50/50. Jobu’s question is, “which player do we consider > 50% nole will sign elsewhere.”
Reports were out that Steward did not have a good time on his OV.
his host was G Reid or someone like that and Steward is supposedly a quiet sort of religious guy. So “they” say he just didnt jive with teh atmosphere at FSU and apparently loved Steele’s pitch.
Of course that could all be BS but I dont remember it being a last second flip. Clemson was in it for a while…it’s just nobody wanted to hear it.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Jan 23, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
not to mention
Clemson was offereing early playing time if I recall correctly…..wasn’t going to get that at FSU.
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but coming off an ACL surgery the wiser choice would be to redshirt.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Jan 23, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yes but he tore it in Fall Practice..
So heading into the fall he thought he was still going to play
Dante Fowler
Would be my guess. Hope we keep him though.
The next time we play UF 1,092 days will have passed since they have been able to hold our jock strap.
Fowler, IMO.
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"most likely"
Not saying he will.
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Maybe
On National TV….check
Do something no one thinks he will…check
Do a hat pick after being committed for a year….check
Do something to keep him in the media the rest of the year….check
Sounds right up his ally.
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Do something to keep him in the media the rest of theyearday….check
Not sure any recruit will stay in the news cycle beyond a day or two.
Football is my favorite show.
well
Tony choosing CU, was on rivals front page for at least 6 months, and well we would talk about it until next cycle.
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How has Tony worked out at Clemson?
by tuscaloosa-nole on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yep hurt his other knee
Whole reason he went there was to play for Steele because he coached his idol and now he’s gone
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And I'm not confident Clemson has an S&C or training program that will help him stay out of injury issues, good rehab, etc.
He got a raw deal going to Clemson. Their clown HC fired the DC for the performance of players who were out of shape, and getting beat up physically. They were out of shape because of poor S&C, don’t tackle hard or shed blocks because of a soft practice philosophy.
Kevin Steele and Tony Steward got screwed by administration nepotism (Batson, S&C coach has an uncle on their BOT).
So losing Tony wasn't all bad.
They aren’t all going to work out no matter how many or few stars they have.
by tuscaloosa-nole on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
All bad in what sense? In the "he won't be burning us" sense, I suppose.
I think with our S&C/athletic training program/staff, we would have a better chance at helping him rehab his knees, come back strong, and have a good career.
These areas of a program are vastly undersold. A GOOD $200k S&C coach makes the other coaches look a lot better. We have an excellent AT program in place. Excellent nutrition program in place.
Can Steward’s knees be saved, and have longevity for his career? We’ll never know. But I think he’s not going to get his best shot to do it with the staff Clemson has.
Lots of people debate taking fowler or williams on here.
I have stated for a few months now that I want both. I have mentioned that I believe fowler and casher both could be used some at linebacker on certain downs. My prediction that we land williams and fowler stands. I’ve heard from some sources that fowler was the one most likely to do this. Reports now seem to be that the coaches have mentioned this to casher and he likes the idea. What are everyone’s thoughts on this? I think we land all 4 DE’s with Fowler and Casher seeing time in the hybrid DE/standup role.
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The idea is to turn one into Brandon Jenkins
I personally think Casher’s upside is much higher and he’ll play the bigger role for us.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 23, 2012 8:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree with cashers upside.
I think fowler’s lateral movement is better though, i think he is more able to drop into some light coverage. Casher would be a better run stopper though.
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I tend to agree with this.
Not that I don’t love Fowler/Williams, but I think Casher’s got that blend
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Unless it is something that would negatively impact chances with Edwards or Casher
I would take Williams right now and let whatever happens, happen in regards to Fowler.
I just don’t want to see us miss on Williams if Fowler wants to make headlines with a swicheroo on national signing day.
The hat thing is really ridiculous if you have been committed to a team for over a year.
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My point kind of is that I believe the coaches are telling them.
Yeah we are recruiting 4 DE’s still because 2 of you can play a dual role. Those we aren’t really taking 4 “solely DE” DEs. I think this helps us keep fowler on board even with the addition of Williams.
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Hopefully so dude.
I have been trying to give Fowler the benefit of the doubt for a long time now. But his comments of late have not been particularly reassuring when it comes to how much time and energy the coaching staff has put into keeping him happy.
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I'm all for this.
Stockpile talent and it fits the “multiple” theme.
Old Dante Fowler Jr interview
I don’t post often on the recruiting threads because I usually don;t have much to offer, but I read it regularly. Here is a 6/11/11 interview with Dante that I think explains a lot about recent events in his recruiting. I think it sheds some light.
Q&A with Lakewood’s Dante Fowler
I think his friends, family, and the media are encouraging to make an event of his commitment. I would prefer he be 100% Nole and keeping quiet, but apparently that is not his personality. I am willing to let him have his attention and glory and would love to have him on this team. I think we take Williams and do everything we can to keep Fowler. Iron sharpens iron and the more talent we can accumulate, the more these guys will improve while they are here. If we want to play big boy football there is going to be some drama to deal with. When he signs with FSU, it will be worth it. If there is a personality conflict once he is on campus, the coaching staff will deal with it appropriately. I am sure they have a pretty good idea of what Dante is really like and have spoken with his coaches about their history with him.
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by TBfisherman on Jan 23, 2012 10:05 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Great post
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Michael, or anyone really
I read a couple of posts back that to your knowledge, Jimbo has never pulled an offer from somebody. And I hate to bring up his name, but didn’t they pull Aaron Lynch’s offer after his situation got ridiculous?
You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
They just stopped recruiting him, I think.
Even then, I don’t believe they pulled his offer. Moreso just decided to part ways.
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I don't think they pulled it while he was committed.
I think he decommitted and we stopped
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Gotcha
Thanks you guys
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Short ESPN Recruiting Nation Video on Edwards and Winston~
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7481138
I had not realized Winston had the easy going personality that he displays in this video….sometimes, with all the analysis, talk about MLB/NFL prospects and whatnot you truly do loose site of the fact that these are just kids still~
Glad to hear the recruits had a good time playing Nerf at Jimbo’s, and hopefully enjoyed watching FSU take down Duke!
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Watched this yesterday
Kid is having a good time, lol on your sig.
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Wonder what Bama will say about this
“My commitment to Florida State got stronger this weekend,” Winston said Sunday. Why? Try a “war” with Nerf guns between Florida State’s staff, their families and prospective recruits. Those that know Winston realize that’s a smart strategy that meshes well with Winston’s playful mentality. Jonah, his 4-year-old brother, joined the Parade All-American quarterback in pelting current and future members of FSU’s program. “We all played with Nerf guns in Coach Fisher’s house,” Winston said. “Me and (FSU verbal) Marvin Bracy were running around his house shooting people up.”
by az5950 on Jan 23, 2012 11:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Very funny...
According to the writer the reason Winston commitment is stronger is because he played nerf gun war with Jimbo. I think the family atmosphere is why Winston knows FSU is for him…playing silly games was just part of that.
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It's an al.com story. Don't expect any different. People on the comments said Winston is soft and Saban should pull his offer for playing with NERF guns.
They will rationalize it any way they can.
Our coaches know how to win over families in addition to the kids.
Also notable, many have reported Winston was the one recruiting JHC and Northrup heavily. He was here this weekend to help recruit Peat.
Let’s just hope the baseball money isn’t too big for him…
Have you checked out Bama's recruiting class
go back 5 years as well. Saban knows how to recruit. Winston sticks for a variety of reasons but to suggest CNS is getting whipped on the trail is so far off I don’t know where to begin. On the trail, you win some and you lose some.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Who said Saban was getting whipped on the recruiting trail?
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
by Blue Horseshoe on Jan 23, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
He said
“Our coaches know how to win over families in addition to the kids.”
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Thats a stretch...didnt get that meant saban was getting whipped at all
HOWEVER…..Jimbo has shown pretty good success this year getting top talent out of Alabama. I dont know the answer to this but is there another out of state program this year to get as many blue chippers from Alabama (not UA prospects specifically)?
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by Blue Horseshoe on Jan 23, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Craig is a legend in Mobile
so that helps. We have done well in FL too. I would say it is a wash as to who is getting the better of who in the home state.
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone does well in Florida...that has never been an issue.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
by Blue Horseshoe on Jan 23, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Correct
Our cup runeth over.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
by YouNoleIt on Jan 23, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I am sure
those kids are no big deal.
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Bama always gets it done however...
They are one of the few schools (read Texas, USC, etc.) that can recruit nationally but don’t need to as they mop up regional talent like no other.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
not ALWAYS....since Saban got there
people tALk about Bama as if they have been a top 10 team FOREVER. Remember the Shula years and losing to UCF at home? They were not recruiting nationally then, but were locking up the State of Alabama. Remember the Bill Curry years and getting owned by Auburn? Same thing.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
by Blue Horseshoe on Jan 23, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry for the implication....
I meant when Bama has a breathing head coach. Saban is a man I deeply respect… Bama is also a team I have always respected… crazy fans but I love that they support their team always.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
I went to school at bama during the Bill Curry/Ray Perkins years.
Let me tell you that the fans were not RABID like they are now. Winning has a way of making you a rabid fan. BDS could be as quiet as Doak when La Tech comes to town.
It is all about WINNING.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
by Blue Horseshoe on Jan 23, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough....
I suppose we have witnessed this self hand.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Bama fans were rabid when I moved here
in 1997. A few mediocre years changes alot of things. Most of the worst fans just go to Wal-Mart and buy the t-shirt, can’t find Tuscaloosa on the map. Reminds me of alot of Gator fans. The are both the University of …….
by tuscaloosa-nole on Jan 23, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
It's definitely been up and down.
There’s a HUGE core of diehards, but even after a stadium expansion, the waiting list of season tix are still thousands of people long?
INSANE.
Success breeds it….Kids are lining up to play there
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I also remember the Bear Bryant years
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I was not implying that they weren't a big deal.
Just saying there are alit of recruits out of Florida every tear and many go out of State. Bama’s recruiting there is expected.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
alit= alot
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Believe it or not
Alabama also has kids that leave the state as well. Saban has done a great job of expanding our recruiting base and targets kids from other areas. Landon Collins, if he sticks, is a great get from LA. And no coach in the country has their in state talent locked down like Miles.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Mack Brown...
But I agree mostly. Saban has proven himself.. His ringless fingers just got fewer. We all no kids leave their state.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
I do believe that the Noles
will win a NC in the next 3-4 years.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Should say "with in"
it could come sooner.
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I am praying you are correct..
It’s been long overdue.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
The foundation is being laid
Jimbo is the hottest new thing on the trail right now. He is tearing it up.
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
If you don't mind me asking...
why are you not a fan of any of the Florida schools… well I inderstand why you may not be a UM fan but what of the others?
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
My screen name explains it
I am originally from Mobile. I do like the Nole too. My second favorite team. I think my daughter may end up at FSU and when I start writing checks I will be a full blown fan.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
Alll your monies are belong to us.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Oh and I hate the Canes
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
12, 14 appear to be best shots
13 could be decent if we get a few key juniors on D to stay
So this year maybe?
O-line will have to play better….but your defense is going to be lights out.
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
OL will definitely play better
considering we won’t be starting 5 Freshman due to injuries :)
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 23, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
potentially... 2nd half vs ND OL was impressive, and 1st half were never physically beat.
Our young OL have all the ability. If we can keep them healthy for a spring and summer, we have a realistic shot given our schedule.
It’ll be interesting to see – but I agree with you, OL is key to 2012
Injuries hit the Noles very hard
last year. I agree. You guys could be really good this year. I have seen quite a bit of Pender running track. He is a specimen.
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Pender is just so impressive. Hopefully being an EE he becomes effective enough blocking to see quality time
Excited to see him. Freeman is still going to be impressive, but Pender’s physical ability is hard to ignore
Lots of people like Pender over D-Free
I have never seen anyone put up back to back 300+ yd. rushing games in Fla. HS playoffs. Everyone knew he was getting the ball. No one could stop him. If he only had someone to block for him, just a little.
I am just saying the percentage of 4*-5* kids in
florida is huge per capita… lot of talent to go around.
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- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
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Not a surprise
that Casher and Shanks didn’t want to play in a 3-4. Winston is going to FSU because of the baseball program and his desire to play both. So 3 guys from Alabama. Bottom line is that I really like Bama’s class. We have 3 of the top 5 inside LBs in the country committed and 2 of the top 3 safties in this class. I believe that we are always going to have trouble landing the big 5 star D Lineman playing in this scheme. I don’t think we get Goldman either but that is just a gut. I still believe he is between FSU and Bama but I wouldn’t count the barn out either.
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
As much as Saben does not want 2 sport athletes
Winston would be allowed to play baseball. He is coming to FSU because Jimbo is a very good QB coach. Has a track record for QB’s. He had great expiriences in his visits, and time spend with EJ at competitions. The baseball team he knows he can play but that I dont think was the deciding factor. I think he just felt more family with FSU. Combined with so many other top comits he has gained relationships with and what he sees as a very real place to be at and be in place at a time of the school being truly elite.And feels he can be the one to lead. He has been told I am sure exactly the plan. But for FSU to get the #1 QB, a top 3 if not #1 DE from Bama, And take those players is gigantic.
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there is a big difference between "being allowed to play"
and playing on a great baseball team that FSU has, I don’t think that can be undervalued. the chance to contribute to two teams that will be good is nothing to overlook. same situation as other teams competing with us for kids that want to run track…there are track teams, and then there is FSU track team..big difference.
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by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 23, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever
I love Bama’s class this year….we are loaded….
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Loaded, except for QB, I guess…
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by CornNole on Jan 23, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Which is true. You are fabricating an implication.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
Love you sig btw
who was that guy again who said that?
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Already forget his name ha
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
Me too...
insignificant… he can just be known as the guy who posted that.
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- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
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by The K-Man on Jan 23, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oversensitive much?
Really don’t see ANY implications on Alabama’s recruiting class in that statement. None.
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Not what I meant at all, more than anything speaking to the "family" atmosphere so many recruits/families talk about when they talk FSU recrutiing
Where in the ever loving world did you read that I think CNS is getting whipped recruiting? Seriously?
They say the same thing
about Bama recruiting….LSU recruiting…Auburn recruiting…..
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough
reading into it I guess.
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
It is not just Winston. FSU has taken 4 of Bama's top recruits in your state the past year. Coker, Shanks, Casher, & Winston
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Reuben Foster
may be the best defensive recruit in the country next year and he is rolling with the Tide.
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
You might get the top 2 recruits on 247 for next year…. Foster and Nkemdiche. Saban is a machine, man. I think you are misinterpreting what people are saying about your team on this forum. I think the vast majority of people here realize how good of a recruiter and coach Saban is. Your team is stacked and looks to only continue its recent success.
by newdynastynole on Jan 23, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So he officially decommitted from Bama?
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by RollNole5 on Jan 23, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Per Heather Dinitch, FSU's recruiting needs on the 4 letter:
""The Noles need at least one running back, one or two quarterbacks, a few offensive tackles, a linebacker to help replace Nigel Carr and a safety or two." (rolls eyes, face palm, etc.)
Is this in addition to who we already have verbals form or just oeverall needs this cycle?
If the former, she needs to lose her job.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Jan 23, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, Nigel Carr did just graduate.
From Alabama State.
Idiot
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 23, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
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by DRusso97 on Jan 23, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mean = true
I could’ve said IMAX
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 24, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I read that too.
She is beyond stupid. How in Tim Tebow’s name does she have a job at ESPN?
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by CornNole on Jan 23, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
DISCLAIMER: No shooting the messenger; it is just my opinion...
Okay this is just my MOCK BOARD, nothing more.
C = current commit
S = signed
++ = NSD commit
#C = QB Sean Maguire (poss xfer 2013)
#C = QB Jameis Winston
#S = RB Delmarick "Mario" Pender (EE)
#C = WR Marvin Bracy
#C = WR/ATH Ricardo Louis
#++= WR/ATH Stefon Diggs
#C = TE Christo Kourtzidis
#S = OL Daniel Glauser (EE)
#++= OL Melenik Watson
#++= OL Kyle Long (Trickett special – actually works this time! Even with Kelly’s refusal of Bucs’ offer, it sends the recruit into split decision, in our favor.)
#C = DE Chris Casher
#C = DE Mario Edwards, Jr.
#++= DT Leonard Williams
#C = DT Justin Shanks
#++= DT Eddie Goldman
#++= DB Reggie Northrup
#C = DB P. J. Williams
#++= DB Ronald Darby
#++= DB Brian Poole
#++= DB Colin Blake (POSS GREYSHIRT)
#C = K Roberto Aguayo (POSS GREYSHIRT)
#S = P Cason Beatty (EE)
22 minus 2 greyshirts plus one possible Stuckey’s sign and place (below)
=21
-———————————————————————————————————-
This is my list of recruits we had a shot at, but fell short
//=targeted but went to other school
dis=former commit, went to other school
///=possible interest/pickup if room for scholly
-———————————————————————————————————-
#// = WR Nelson Agholor – USC
#// = WR Monty Madaris – ND (slight possibility he signs if Diggs doesn’t)
#// = OT Andrus Peat – STAN (it makes sense he would stay in NEB unless family asks not to)
#// = OT Avery Young – UGA (slight possibility he signs if Long doesn’t)
#// = OT Jordan Diamond – WIS
#// = OT Zach Banner – USC
dis = DE Dante Fowler, Jr. – UF
#// = DE Moana Ofahengaue – Utah
#// = OLB Josh Harvey-Clemons – UF
#// = OLB Kwon Alexander – AUB
#// = DB Tracy Howard – LSU
dis= LB Markuss Eligwe – UGA
dis= DT Dalvon Stuckey (sign and place/Akron)
#// = Trae Elston – UF
#// = ATH Davonte Neal – ARK
#// = ATH Devin Fuller – RUT
#// = ATH Joel Caleb – WV
#/// = OL Caleb Gulledge – ALA (unless he is waiting on NSD to come to FSU)
#/// = OL Will Latu – USF/Akron
-———————————————————————————————————————
Deep within my SemiNole heart, I feel this is going to be very close to the findings by 3FEB (since the games are on the 1st)
Semper Fidelis/Hooah
Halfbreed RobbSeminole
-currently in Afghanistan
No way does Eligwe go to Georgia
He’s all in Nole. As well as no way on Diggs. He never once visited as far as I can recall. I know he never official visited. Doubt we see Long either since he would have 1 season to play. Nice mock though overall.
by SeminoleDynastyMP on Jan 23, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you for your service. This seems more like a wish list, though.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 23, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
he listed just about every top flight uncommitted recruit on the board.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
thanks Bud
No disrespect intended, Bud, as your articles and insight mean a great deal to me…
…but this is not a wish list.
I think we have landed several key recruits already and more want aboard the train. I read everything daily that you and the others put out, and in no way does any of the list obtained fall out of the impossibility range.
Yes, there are possible negative recruits going other places, but it is my forecast only, a mock board…
thanks for your patronage.
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by RobbSeminole on Jan 23, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Where are you getting the optimism from Diggs, specifically?
Just wondering because I have not ever heard of him even being remotely interested in FSU. And I believe the feeling is mutual.
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Diggs
There has been no official or unofficial visit, but hes from Maryland. He knows about us, and if there was any surprise warranted to us from the karma gods from last year’s ACC officials and the injuries, he would be it…
…more importantly, he’s bound to be a Gator otherwise, and I’d rather see him in G&G.
by RobbSeminole on Jan 23, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I saw Stefon Diggs and skipped the rest of your post
Sorry.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 23, 2012 1:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That's too bad...
I think its pretty close to an accurate mock board.
Even if Diggs doesn’t come, it’ll be my gut feeling being wrong…not the first time…
Appreciate the honesty…
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by RobbSeminole on Jan 23, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Went back and looked
No stuckey?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 23, 2012 1:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What leads you to believe,
that Stefon Diggs will come here and that Eligwe won’t? I haven’t heard any info. from others that would seem to indicate that.
Diggs versus Eligwe
nothing LEADS me to believe it; I see a shocker recruit leaving (imho that is Eligwe because of the defense grabs we take and not sure he wants to wait for PT) and a couple shockers who did not OV, but will make the list (Diggs and Long)
Once more, this is a mock. I added all of the recruits who had interest in FSU in the top 150 out of courtesy for some readers who miss what is posted…
RobbSeminole
by RobbSeminole on Jan 23, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
It's hard to explain...but yes something like that...
I took all of our great posters who have somewhat of an inside hand, including you, Bud, and developed what I feel to be our class…If I was going to put a wishlist, I would have kept Fowler and Eligwe and added Agholar, Howard, and all the rest of our targets…but I didn’t…
Again, I’m in Afghanistan, so it may be the heat one day/cold the next making me delirious…
just my opinion…wishlist/mock board meh…same thing, just my opinion
Thanks for reading and commenting on it, Bud!\
RobbSeminole
by RobbSeminole on Jan 23, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
You're gettin a bit of flak for your predictions,
but I do appreciate the response good sir, as well as your service. Anyone in the military is alright with me
by imf10fsu on Jan 23, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
God Bless you!!
Thank you for serving your country!
You are my brother x 2
Semper Fi!!
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See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
by Noledock on Jan 23, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love the effort you put into ths
But I disagree with a lot of it.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 23, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
eligwe is rock solid
And I don’t think we even have a shot at diggs its either florida or auburn I believe
by TheRenegade29 on Jan 23, 2012 6:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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doubt we get Stefon Diggs or are even interested in Kyle Long
I hope we get poole, williams, darby and blake. but would be happy with just two of them. Thanks for your service.
Again, this is just a gut feeling...
…but I think it is pretty accurate. I think Trickett would want Long…and Diggs is almost like Fowler in the respect hes waiting until the last second for attention. Those are my two wildcards and I think that will be shock value enough for the nation…
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by RobbSeminole on Jan 23, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Just curious on how this works...
But regarding Darby, since he is also a track guy, could he possibly sign a track scholarship as opposed to a FB one in order to free up another scholarship? The same for Bracy too? I just didn’t know how that works. Could be good strategy for Jimbo, no?
Nope, it would have to go towards football
NCAA rules prohibit “hiding” players on other sports scholarships when playing football.
by SeminoleDynastyMP on Jan 23, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
USED to be the way
I had a friend on an academic sholarship that played DB at FSU-long time ago.
Yep, they use to allow it
Just another rule hurting football and helping other sports. Just like dropping to 80 scholarships soon.
by SeminoleDynastyMP on Jan 23, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
but couldn't that be considered hiding a track player on the football team??`
I mean isn’t it a two way street there
I believe the rule is
That which ever sport has more scholarships is the sport the athlete counts towards. Since football has the most the rule generally hurts football. But if the two sport athlete played something like baseball and basketball it would count towards baseball.
sounds right
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by harper.rb on Jan 23, 2012 8:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Would think that a guy like Bracy wouldn’t be considered hiding a scholarship on the track team. But rules are rules
by nole your enemy on Jan 23, 2012 12:50 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
but couldn't that be considered hiding a track player on the football team??`
I mean isn’t it a two way street there
The NCAA doesn't look at it that way.
Football is the top tier sport (money maker). They don’t want an unfair advantage.
by SeminoleDynastyMP on Jan 23, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Otherwise
Track teams across the country would be filled with Football players.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
I know we’d have had our fair share over the years. lol Same with hiding Cholie on basketball, and Deion on either baseball/track.
by SeminoleDynastyMP on Jan 23, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
At least those guys were legit
multi sport stars.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Numbers question: At one point, if possible, we were certain FSU would take both Dixon and Howard at CB...
With that said, would we really take both Blake and Darby, if both of them do want to commit?! With LW rumors and JHC cracking the door open slightly, I do not see how we could for certain take both CBs if they did indeed want to come.
My mock signees
QB-Jameis Winston
QB-Sean Maguire
RB-Delmarick Pender (EE)
WR-Ricardo Louis
WR-Marvin Bracy
WR-Nelson Agholar
TE-Christo Kourtzidis
OT-Daniel Glauser (EE)
OT-Melenik Watson
DE-Mario Edwards Jr
DE-Chris Casher
DE-Dante Fowler (I believe he sticks and is just having fun)
DT-Eddie Goldman
DT-Justin Shanks
DT-Dalvon Stuckey
LB-Markuss Eligwe
LB-Reggie Northrup
DB-Ronald Darby
DB-PJ Williams
DB-Colin Blake
K-Roberto Aguayo (grey shirt)
P-Cason Beatty (EE)
Missing out on:
DE-Leonard Williams – Aub
DB-Tracy Howard – Fla
LB-Josh Clemons – UGA
OT-Andrus Peat – Neb
RB-Mike Davis – Cocks
LB-Kwon Alexander – Aub
OL-Evan Goodman – Ariz. St.
I only added in the guys who have official visited us that I know of.
by SeminoleDynastyMP on Jan 23, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions
So...
You basically took my exact mock class and added Algohor?
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by Nattylite on Jan 23, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 23, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
No he added Agholar
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by RollNole5 on Jan 23, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is what 247 refers to as his extended family. His parents are the Agholors, and his stunt double and their parents are the Agholars
On that note, I’m interested to see how a late OV and last night’s in-home with Agholor will help us out. He’d be a nice addition
Not sure where the posts went but just so there is no confusion
I didn’t copy your mock class. I couldn’t tell if this was in jest on your part or if you were honestly upset about it. Just tried to add in my mock was all and it’s not like with all the guys we have committed that either of our mocks was that hard to fill. :) Jimbo and crew have done a great job of getting them early and making a mock class pretty easy.
by SeminoleDynastyMP on Jan 23, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he was upset about it.
I think that exact class would be a majority of our picks, gun to our heads.
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ESPN moved FSU up to #2
Jimbo Fisher and Florida State keep moving closer and closer to the top spot in the rankings.
With the recent addition of former Auburn ATH commit Ricardo Louis (Miami Beach, Fla./Miami Beach Senior), who is No. 21 in the ESPNU 150, and a big (literally) supply of talented defensive linemen, led by the nation’s No. 1 player Mario Edwards (Denton, Texas/Billy Ryan), the Seminoles leapfrog Texas and move into the No. 2 spot. FSU, with 10 ESPNU 150 prospects in its 16-member class, sits just behind Alabama.
Remember, there’s still some time before national signing day. These Class of 2012 rankings are based on who has committed so far and are not a projection of how strong a class will finish. Changes to the rankings will be made as more prospects commit, and how teams finish on national signing day is really the only ranking that matters.
But as always, let the debate begin
Lookin’ goooood, Jimbo.
(espn)
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by Tubby Sweetbundle on Jan 23, 2012 1:37 PM EST reply actions
We could also land any of 1-3 of their top 20 remaining.
That’s not a bad way to close.
The guys we have a good chance at makes it look like this NSD will be a fun one.
Pretty sure we will be a consensus top 10 with top 5 in 247 and ESPN
Probally 5-7 on Rivals. Scouts maybe 9-12.
I don’t know if ESPN has ever not put as #1 the team that had the most ESPN150 commits. Right now that’s Alabama, I believe, although FSU is in good shape to catch up. The wildcard, of course, is that Alabama is taking yet another giant class and FSU is more limited, so it will be interesting to see if the half dozen extra recruits makes it impossible for FSU to catch Bama regardless of the ESPN150 count.
I think we can do it. We're top heavy!
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by Tubby Sweetbundle on Jan 23, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
FSU will most likely at best pull 2 to 3 more ESPN 150s
Thats 12-13 in the 150 and considering the small class I say FSU’s group will be as good as any other class, including Bama’s.
by zewhitedevil on Jan 23, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
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reminds me of the 1999 class.
That class was really small but I do remember that class getting much praise at the time. Dockett, Maddox, Womble, Boldin. That class only had 13 players but was heralded as the best class per player signed.
"Recruiting is like shaving. You better do it everyday or you will look like a bum"
That was a sick class.
Reminds me of how USC recruited for most of the 2000s.
We’re in the top 3 for 7 remaining uncommitted ESPN 150s. Just give me 2 and I’ll be happy.
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by Tubby Sweetbundle on Jan 23, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
fabian walker
ugh.
only two nfl players from that whole class.
We have so many good ones
committed for so long, it get lost sometimes how good this class really is, true we have some needs we may not fill. Small cake this year, but expect some sweet icing on Feb 1st.
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Things Are Looking Up. It will be tough for anyone in the ACC — or even the nation — to top the Jimbo Fisher and FSU’s class.
anyone remember ESPN class recruiting class ranking system?
I was thinking it is just a round table of their top writers
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by harper.rb on Jan 23, 2012 8:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
UF got another DE commit
3 star Alex McCalister. This is their 2nd DE commit in the last 3 days. Maybe this is a telling sign that they wont get Fowler?
All signs indicate Fowler is all Nole. Nothing particularly interesting came out of his UF visit.
I’d say these are clear indicators that you’re correct.
I hope so
Maybe he had an allergic reaction when he put on the Gata shirt he was reportedly sporting & that was a clear sign to him. I know the colors orange & blue make me want to vomit…
by FullTimeNole on Jan 23, 2012 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Auburn or FSU IMO
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 23, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's more of a sign that they won't get Darius Hamilton.
I’m not worried about Fowler at. All.
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by Tubby Sweetbundle on Jan 23, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I hope he goes to Rutgers. I dont want him at UF.
by newdynastynole on Jan 23, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody who has been critical of Jimbo Fisher as a Head Coach should at least recognize his efforts in recruiting.
He has been putting in so much time making in-home visits, traveling all over the country, and has assembled a staff that is working just as hard. The results seem to speak for themselves.
Just don’t forget that CJF is out on the front lines doing work himself.
by Jtyler998 on Jan 23, 2012 2:34 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Fisher is a blessing
some people want a new coach after every 3 and out.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
by fmnole on Jan 23, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All while dealing with a sick kid, booster crap, administrative stuff, etc.
Jimbo Fisher is the Grown Assest Man in the FSU football program.
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by CornNole on Jan 23, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And thank you, Modernized cannot be understated in this case.
I feel more like I do now, than I did before
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by HaveNoleOption on Jan 23, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think rarely is Jimbo The Manager/organizer/leader questioned.
more a long The lines of Jimbo The Playcaller
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by harper.rb on Jan 23, 2012 8:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
3 Team Race for Josh Harvey-Clemons
From Jamie Newberg of ESPN (this is the free info, evidently their is more in the Insider premium portion): It’s now a three team race for the nation’s top outside linebacker prospect.
According to Josh Harvey-Clemons’ grandfather, Woodrow Clemons, the Florida State visit was enlightening.
"Wow, we were not anticipating that," Clemons said. "Florida State was very surprising. I know he loved the facilities, the coaches and that program is back on the rise. They have some great young players and there are great players in this class. I know we met the top quarterback in the nation (Jameis Winston). He was there. FSU just has so much to offer and the proximity to Valdosta is so nice.
This would be a huge pick-up.
I’ve heard Agholor had a similar reaction, and that FSU is “very much in it” if he doesn’t commit to USC.
Predictions Rivals 100
Rivals 6 recruiting analyst are in a consensus that Darby and Goldman will end up at FSU. The also have Howard to UF, Agholor to USC, Williams to Auburn, Peat to Nebraska, and JHC to Georgia.
I can get on board with these predictions.
Hope to land Williams too though.
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darby just announced a date
after returning from an OV with Clemson…..so put that one on hold.
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
insider
and from what I have read, they frown on posting it on here…the date was hidden from plain site….
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
You have to imagine it would be signing day.
Unless he wants his own day, which I doubt.
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Just thought it was curious
that he says that after his OV in Clemson. Did he visit FSU?
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by mobilematt12 on Jan 23, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
He will announce on Signing day per twitter
Most people believe its still and AU FSU battle even after the visit.
by ExTacklingDummy on Jan 23, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yes he
Visited FSU two weeks ago and he did visit AU just not sure when
by ExTacklingDummy on Jan 23, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Can you explain this?
I’m just wondering what you mean by “put that one on hold” means…
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Good predictions all around
Still think Agholor goes to UF though
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 23, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
With our kicker greyshirting
does that open up a spot for the 2012 class or 2013? Or is it whichever you want it to be?
2012
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 23, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
I am curious too.
Would he essentially be considered an EE for 2013 and thus have the ability to count for 2012 or 2013? If not then what is the point of grey-shirting, just waiting another year to start the eligibility clock running?
my best guess would be
Jimbo expects some extra attrition, maybe after spring; some upperclassmen will get beat out and may want to transfer. By giving Aguayo a greyshirt, you’re able to take another guy now and still have the extra schollies to give once the other guys leave, at which point you can award one to Aguayo.
Someone more in the know please correct me if that logic is wrong.
by FSUActuary on Jan 23, 2012 5:28 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Kinda, Sorta, Big News
But Mario Edwards has decided to shut down his recruitment. He has informed the staff he’ll sign with FSU on NSD.
Local radio host just made a huge deal of it like we were sitting on pins and needles with this kid.
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by CornNole on Jan 23, 2012 6:13 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Big News to me
Great for the Noles! Welcome aboard MEJ!
by FullTimeNole on Jan 23, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
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