'Noles News 01.24.12
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 AM EST
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Update: Josh Newberg is refuting the tweet by fellow 247 colleague J.C. Shurburtt. Newberg says Duckett is not coming.
Florida State is bringing in Adam Duckett for a visit this weekend, per J.C. Shurburtt of the 247 Network. Who? He's a 6'8", 340 pound offensive lineman out of Orlando East River. As a junior, he was out of shape and scored a 13 on the ACT (ouch!). As a senior, he apparently worked hard, lost 25 pounds, and says he has an ACT score of 20. None of the recruiting services are going to bother rating a kid with an ACT score of 13. Will the NCAA flag this test score? Is the score legit? How are his grades? I don't know. But this senior film is promising. I think at the very least, a sign-and-place could happen here. A 6'8", 340-pound 18-year old is just getting used to his body. There are definitely some tools here, and you have to like his energy. Many time guys this big play soft. He doesn't. I am not saying he is a superstar, and he definitely needs a lot of polish. But if he hadn't 13'd the ACT as a junior, this would be a kid with multiple BCS offers.
ACC Signing Day Overview - CBSSports.com
This is simply laughable. I like Bryan Fischer a lot, and I bet if asked privately, he'd tell you he thinks Max Preps' rankings are a joke. 86% of Florida State's HS (non-kicker/punter) commitments are rated four-stars or better. Miami? Only 32%. Yet Miami is ranked higher because Tom Lemming loves Al Golden.
Edwards Jr. is simply dominant (FREE link)
Bloodlines and freakish size and speed make Mario Edwards Jr., the nation's No. 1 prospect, 247Sports' Defensive Player of the Year for the Class of 2012.
Lawyers Expect The Big East And West Virginia To Settle - Big East Coast Bias
It appears that West Virginia and the Big East will have to settle their lawsuits according to a set of attorneys that reviewed the cases. This could mean FSU avoids the disaster that is leaving WVU on the schedule.
The ACC Race Is Now Officially Interesting « Tar Heel Fan
Hoops!
Draft 2012: Mayock's Top Fives - NFL Draft Preview - Rotoworld.com Zebrie Sanders the #5 OL. I think he may go in the first round.
Video: No excuses for Clemson, FSU - ACC Blog - ESPN
Heather Dinich says it's time for the Seminoles and Tigers to translate the talent they have into BCS bowl victories. How about just making BCS bowls? I'd say Jimbo needs to win the division twice in the next three years, and think they will. Anything can happen once a team gets to the ACC title game. It's a one-game setting. Winning the division needs to be the consistent goal. That's an eight-game measuring stick.
Checking out ACC attendance numbers - ACC Blog - ESPN The NCAA this month released its attendance report for the 2011 season, and Sports Business Journal recently released three-year averages for each conference. FSU trails only Clemson, and even with the blatant lying done by the SID department at Miami, the 'Noles are still having 60% more fans attend their games than Miami did.
Tracy Howard Staying In Florida, But Could He End Up At Miami? - SBNation.com
FSU could get him, but it's doubtful.
Alex McCalister Commits To Florida Gators - SBNation.com
Defensive end out of N.C.
Venables-Related Q&A with Crimson and Cream Machine - Shakin The Southland
Venables-Related Q&A with Crimson and Cream Machine. With Miami in the tank, Clemson is FSU's #2 rival, and arguably the most important game of the year.
Venables' History on the Recruiting Trail - Shakin The Southland Clemson should stay an excellent recruiting school. So should FSU.
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I’ll Take EDSBS and TN well before I go with the turtle lovers.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 11:03 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
DRaysBay is also excellent
Along with many of the other baseball sites.
by nolesblogger on Jan 24, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
You say ACT score of 13
like it’s a bad thing.
Tomahawk Nation didn't cause my divorce. It was merely a contributing factor.
by TRMNole on Jan 24, 2012 11:04 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he should've taken the SAT. After all, 200's a luckier number than 13.
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If FSU is able to drop WVU from the ’12 schedule, who would we seek to replace them with? Would it be difficult to find another opponent given that it is not too far in the future?
by CrimiNole Defense on Jan 24, 2012 11:05 AM EST reply actions
FSU is scheduled to play seven or eight likely bowl teams without WVU. They really don’t need anything
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I think he means literally.
Tomahawk Nation didn't cause my divorce. It was merely a contributing factor.
Oh, well I think FIU has an open slot, and if not, perhaps a D1-AA
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't know about FIU.
That would be preferable, not that I’d lose sleep either way.
Tomahawk Nation didn't cause my divorce. It was merely a contributing factor.
Not unless they have dropped one of @Duke, Akron, @UCF, or Louisville.
The Sun Belt plays 8 conference games (could be going to 9 soon with USA coming into the football mix) and FIU already has 4 OOCs on their plate.
by geoffissiffoeg on Jan 24, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you're thinking of FAU
the artists formerly known as the Fighting Schnellenbergers have an opening.
Wagner, @ UGA, @ Navy
by geoffissiffoeg on Jan 24, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t expect us to have a top 60 schedule with WVU. We weren’t top 50 with OU.
by TuckNole on Jan 24, 2012 1:11 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Teams not associated with mountains, unconquered indian tribes, and homesteaders.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Teams that haven't sued the NCAA over their choice of mascots.
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FEI strength of schedule
Our schedule was ranked 68th. We played 1 regular season team in the FEI top 20 this year and next years schedule only has one team from this years FEI top 20, the team we are about to get out of playing.
Unless you think the ACC/UF are going to improve significantly next year, expect our schedule rank to be in the 60-70 range with WVU and 80-90 range without them.
by TuckNole on Jan 24, 2012 4:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Does it include non-D-1 teams in SOS?
More games against BCS schools should give a higher overall SOS rating unless the non-D-1 games are excluded.
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Probably an FCS school, or a really low end FBS program
by jmnpb996 on Jan 24, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Research, man.
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Sounds like a last minute move by the coaching staff to get needed O-linemen
13 OL on the Rivals Florida 100 and we are not getting any of them
1. John Theus – UGA
2. Avery Young – (UF, Miami, Georgia, or Auburn)
3. Jessamen Dunker – UF
4. Ty Darlington – OU
5. Ereck Flowers – Miami
6. Patrick Miller – Auburn
7. Evan Goodman – ASU
8. Cody Waldrop – South Carolina
9. Kevin McCoy – undecided (we’re not a finalist)
10. Daniel Isidora – Miami
11. Will Holden – Vanderbilt
12. Kameron Davis – undecided (we’re not a finalist)
13. Duaron Williams – Iowa State
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by Shooter McFrattin on Jan 24, 2012 11:06 AM EST reply actions
This kid is better than a decent number of them
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
still begs the question why we are seemingly late to the game for OL, and it is obvious we are since we are going after a project.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 24, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think they are late to the game. They went after some kids, did not get them for a variety of reasons, looked at other kids, found some they liked.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Waldrop was a hig FSU fan going intonhis junior year
once he started taking visits, he considered SEC only for some reason.
by PullingGuardGator on Jan 24, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Can you say this comment under my breakdown of the top ten
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Bud, don't you find it interesting that our OL recruitment has been wholly underwhelming compared to ALL other aspects of the class?
and I do not believe this is the first year this has happened. When are there going to be questions asked about this within the circles that matter?
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 24, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Not particularly, considering FSU signed nine last year. That’s basically two classes rolled into one. The ’Noles are just coming off the top offensive line class in the country IIRC
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think people are confusing poor oline play this year with need to go out and sign a bunch of offensive linemen. That’s not the fix. FSU already got the players last year. They need to coach them up and keep them healthy.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
But isn't the idea to get 3-4 each cycle
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 11:52 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ideally? Sure. But they signed nine last year.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
and selection/interest are huge
there arent that many top tier OL in a given class, and there are even fewer that are interested in FSU. you cant get everyone you want each year, so you get them when you can. it just so happens last year was a good year for OL interested in FSU, and the year before wasnt – same with this year. OL arent as easy to find as skill position players, especially in FL (where they grow on trees and chase rabbits).
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
if they don’t bring in three or four quality kids next year, then I think worrying is justified.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
totally agree
next year looks good at OL and LB, while this year was not deep for either, at least for guys we could get and would want.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Did we redshirt 3 or 4 of them.
Serious question, and I’m just too lazy too look it up.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 24, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think we redshirted
Pettis and Carter only. The rest of them played, and Prestwood left because of immaturity.
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by Matt Champion on Jan 24, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Even if most of them didn't redshirt last year bc of need,
Can’t they shirt this year to spread that class out? I’m really not sure, not saying they will, just asking if it’s possible, and also if it would be a bad idea and why.
great point, i hope it starts to translate, don't think we can always blame the injury bug. we had some guys that were supposed to contribute and didnt, which would lie at the feet of coaching.
great recruiting, as you stated, won’t do any good if the coaching isn’t there. I don’t know the solution to the puzzle but it seems like there is a disconnect to how the rest of our team is running and how the OL has run.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 24, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Well FSU had very good OL play in 09 and 10. What was different in ‘11? I’d say injuries and lack of continuity were the biggest thing.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
very good play in 09 10? I'm not sure i could ascribe to that.
I don’t quite know how you can say that, nothing really has stood out to me as “very good”
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 24, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm, had an elite offense, nothing special at receiver and running back. Why was it excellent? Oline play and QB play. I don’t think you know what you’re watching, honestly. And I’m not trying to be rude.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention we had to relieve our RB coach of his duties mid season in 2009
OL was doing their job, at least according to the coaches
and look who ended up coaching the RBs...
once Trickett got a hold on them and showed them where the cuts were designed to run, they improved dramatically. a bad OL coach cant make an offense look good and fix the RB’s mid-season.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
CP7 is I would say a very big help to this arguement
mobility, decision making, and accuracy…i think it showed this year that he was contributing much more than most acknowledged, and why CJF was soo high on him.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 24, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
The line play was also excellent. Backed up by multiple all-conference and soon to come NFL selections. I sort of think you’re kidding here.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
2 NFL players who graduated in 10, and 2 more projected NFL guys.
Spurlock was considered to be only 1/5 OL not headed to NFL from the 10 OL.
doesnt equate to OL production.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 24, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I dont have the numbers handy, but didnt FSU lead the nation around there in not allowing sacks?
by TimScribble on Jan 24, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
i dont have them either, i would love to see the data on our OL production
a lot of the conjecture about previous lines has been around the quality of player and not really tangible production that can be tied to their play.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 24, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
How about having the most efficient run game in America in 2009?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 12:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
no being a ass, but source? i would love to do more study on it.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 24, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Football Outsiders has numbers on this
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 1:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
not from what I can see, have been looking but I will continue.
no sort of rushing efficiency, they have offensive efficiency.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 24, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaoff2009
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 1:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
I was looking at FEI thanks.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 24, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure what is meant by conjecture about past performance.
quality of the player referred to 4/5 of the line. The other 1/5 was suffering from career ending head trauma
If the quality of 4/5 of the guys is lights out and they are playing together, then I am not sure what you’re talking about by lack of production.
It’s not like they were going to kick the field goals, throw passes, and catch touchdowns.
And FSU passed on a number of those kids. It’s not like they offered all of them and then missed. They don’t feel like some of them can play at FSU.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I feel like the majority of the top kids we went after just happened to have bad luck.
Theus/Goodman with their brothers, for one
I don't know if anyone can really answer this...
But how accurate is the ranking of offensive lineman? I could be wrong but it seems like a difficult position to rank. 17/18 year old kids that are well over 6 feet and around 300lbs or more can’t be all that coordinated and need time to get used to their size. Maybe I’m wrong but it seems like OL is a place where you can maybe ignore the rankings a little and pick up some guys you think you can mold.
they can be "molded" a little
but athleticism(feet) and explosion are the keys, and it shows up on film.
by PullingGuardGator on Jan 24, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
OL is notorious for being hard to project once you get past the top tier
but some kids just separate themselves early on with their explosiveness, and you dont have much work to do to project the ones that are already technically sound (like Peat)
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Let's break these down
- Theus – FSU was on him very very early. Chose UGA with his brother.
- Avery Young – not a fan of FSU, not sure FSU loves him either.
- Dunker – I like him, as a guard. Wanted to play SEC ball. FSU did offer.
- Ty Darlington – Everyone in the country offered. Stud. Ranking Young and Dunker over him is crazy. Oklahoma legacy went to… OU.
- Ereck Flowers – Not great as a junior, Miami really pushed hard and got him. Improved a lot as a senior.
- Patrick Miller – SEC kid. Zero interest in playing for a non-SEC school. None.
- Evan Goodman – liked FSU a lot. Chose to play with his brother at Arizona.
- Cody Waldrop – I liked him. FSU didn’t like him as much as I did.
Also, Isidora can play. He should be higher than that.
McCoy, Holden, Davis and Williams? Don’t think they should be higher than Duckett if he qualifies.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Waldrop was a big FSU fan during his junior season.
saw an interview with him, and he said his family was fsu fans.
once he started taking visits, he narrowed down to SEC schools, mainly USC, UGA, and TENN.
His junior film was outstanding. I watched him 3-4 times this year and was underwhelmed. He is very powerful though. Strictly a guard, like Dunker.
by PullingGuardGator on Jan 24, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
He didn’t develop like we thought he would.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Bud
I need to correct you. Even Goodman went to Arizona STATE not Arizona (UofA). Big difference for an ASU Alum. You don’t say MJE is going to Florida.
Darlington on the left, Duckett in the middle.
Love me some Trickett specials.
by NoleLaw on Jan 24, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Why
Is leaving WVU on the schedule bad?
Roses are red, Violets are blue, If it wears orange, Kill it.
You'll get varying answers on this.
Long story short we can all agree on: The 2013 schedule with six home games and the game at West Virginia is unacceptable and should have been dealt with years ago.
Tomahawk Nation didn't cause my divorce. It was merely a contributing factor.
We don’t need them for SOS, we already play UF and USF out of conferance, etc…
by CrimiNole Defense on Jan 24, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
and SOS is no longer part of BCS rankings
if you play in a Big 6 conference and win out, other than the SEC, nobody cares who you play OOC for the most part
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
No upside and lots of downside
A win gets you nothing while a loss kills you in the polls.
The home and home nature means you lose 1 home game over the course of 2 years. Its not like this is a home and home against OU where its going to be a prime game. WVU is still second to third tier national program so networks don’t really care that much. Even assuming the not going to happen worse and the replacement game has only 50k fans that is still 100k over 2 years instead of 82k over 2 years.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
I am going to disagree with the no upside
The more high quality wins the more pollsters are forgiving of a loss. If we keep them on our schedule and lose 1 game we have a much better chance of being in the NC discussion then if we play a cupcake and loss one game.
That is why I would always play good teams gives you more room for error, i.e. SEC. LSU had a two loss team win a NC.
We've seen time and again that this is not true
The more high quality wins the more pollsters are forgiving of a loss.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
See: Oklahoma State
Somewhere beyond the barricade, is there a world you long to see?
by Sir Lawrence J on Jan 24, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think they weighed the quality of the losses and looked this far: LSU > Iowa State.
Football is my favorite show.
And didn't rate the quality of wins
Alabama had zero top 10 wins, Ok State had multple wins against top-10 teams.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Arkansas was #14 when they played
I’m talking about top 10 when the game was played.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
And Florida was actually the highest ranked team Bama beat all year
They were #12 near the beginning of the season, so I don’t think that should even count haha.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Ah… but we don’t know how good or bad a team is until you see their whole body of work? Example OSU wasn’t top 5 at the beginning of the year. We all know better now.
Then imo Ok State still has a much better body of work
Because I think beating Oklahoma, Baylor, and Kansas State in a 5 game stretch is more impressive and tougher to do than beating Arkansas once.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
And the argument goes back & forth to.. Well Bama didn’t get a chance to play the OSU schedule to prove it wouldn’t lose to Iowa State either.
Bottom line – Win all your games if your a BCS school. If you don’t which no one did, then you get what you get.
Control what you can control and all that
But in the interest of fairness, shouldn’t resume matter more than “tough conference, yet somehow easy schedule?”
I felt Bama was the best team in the country all year but I was completely against them getting chosen for the title game.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 3:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you would rather reward a tough schedule
than actually have the best 2 teams play for the right to be #1?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Opponents of a playoff say that the regular season is the playoff.
If that’s the case, then LSU had already beaten Bama out. I agree with AMF. Bama was the best team, but under the current format, shouldn’t have been playing for the title.
After the fact, it looks more like it should have been OKState and Bama in the title game.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'm good with a plus 1
A long playoff ends up with a 15-1 team sitting at home and a 9-7 team playing for a “world” championship.
Hard to claim they are the best team when even if they go undefeated in the playoffs they’d still have fewer wins.
Personally, I'd like to take the top six.
Give the top two a bye. Anyone outside the top 6 san stick it up their bumbum.
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by Nole Resurrected on Jan 24, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
this has been my contention for a while now
it still rewards the top 2 seeds with bye weeks, and it forces the other teams vying for that top spot to earn their way in. no lucking your way into the title game if you have to play top 5 teams twice.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Here's my problem with that statement
Winning championships is all about objectives and goals. Sure we’d like to believe that every team’s goal is to win every time they set foot on the field. And on a micro level that is true. But in reality that is NOT the goal. The goal is to reach the playoffs in the best position to help you win a championship. If there’s no REAL benefit to having the best record in the league, there is no reason to criticize a team who wins the Super Bowl despite having a bad record. They played the system, got into the playoffs, then proved themselves to be better than whoever showed up on the other side of the field from them. It’s all about incentives. If there is no benefit to me winning 15 games and I can get into the playoffs with 9 and still win a championship, why should I?
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by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 4:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
well...
the 16-0 Pats were still a better team than the Giants, no matter the result of that game. The Giants are rightly the Super Bowl champs, because the deal is winner take all in the game. But you cannot argue with a straight face that the playoffs decided the best team that year, even the best team during the playoffs.
and the incentive is a bye week and home games, plus the fact that a limited field in a 120 team sport means you have to win your way into the field. how do we determine the cutoff, wherever that number is? likely the same way we do it now. so nothing really changes in that regard, people will still complain about their seeding when they have the same record over a limited amount of games.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Champion doesn't mean best team
People who view sports the eay you seem to should decide who the best team is after the season, then just enjoy the playoffs/Super Bowl/eventual NC playoff as what they are. Tournaments for a trophy and a championship. The way the Premier League decides their winner is fun and all, but there’s no catharsis. That’s why even high falutin soccer fans love the Champions League, EuroCup and the World Cup despite those tournaments not always crowning the best teams.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 4:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i dont mind it
i just want to make the distinction. Bama was the best team, hands down. LSU was a better team than the one that wandered drunk and aimless into New Orleans. the game should have been much closer, but they were the 2 best teams, and they both earned their way into that right by playing well all season.
the bigger the playoff, the higher the variance, and the most likely somebody gets hot and wins more than they really should. Cinderella stories are fun, but when they manage to work their way into the final 4 is when you know they got really lucky. thats when the good teams tend to take care of business and show up, and the 1/2 seeds make their way to the top.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I disagree that they both earned their right into the game.
According to the system – if you eliminate the SEC bias – then Bama had its chance against LSU. For that sanctity of the regular season thing PO opponents like to preach, Bama had its fair shot against LSU (at home, no less).
That game shatters any and all illusions of the regular season meaning much of anything. Both teams beat the other, but the one that won the regular season match up finds itself without a title.
OkSt in the NCG could’ve kept the illusion alive, at least.
no SEC bias from me, truth is truth
people arguing for OK St had to either argue that they were better than Bama (which isnt happening) or that LSU wasnt really #1 and it should be Bama and OK St, which is a whole other can of worms. if Bama had won that first game (as they should have done), i would have said the same thing.
i think people just didnt want to see a rematch, and they were willing to lie to themselves and pretend another team deserved to play in that game because they would want to watch it more. that is a terrible way to pick your NC teams.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Why must someone argue OSU was better than Bama?
CFB has never been about pitting the two best teams against each other, except in the flimsiest of notions.
Yes, I was unwilling to see a rematch because the BCS had rejected that very thing (back when it favored the SEC to do so, btw).
And, technically, Bama’s victory does not prove they were better than LSU – as noted around here often, anything can happen in a one-game scenario (e.g., Boise St vs. OU, etc.).
My suspicion: if this season had ended up with an undefeated OkSt playing a one-loss OU team it had beaten, then either the rematch doesn’t happen or the BCS formula would get tweaked this offseason.
Well now we're getting into a question of how do u determine who are the 2 best teams
The BCS got it right because they picked the two best teaams. However, like in Math class when I had to show my work, if my methodology was wrong I got half credit, the BCS doesn’t get credit for getting it right. BCS voters allegedly vote on resume, then pick the wrong resume. The fact that they picked the two most technically sound teams in the country was pure luck and happenstance. So, yes. I would rather have the two best resumes face off rather than have some sports writers who have watched less games than you or I (despite getting paid to do watch sports) pick two teams for the wrong reasons in the hope they’ll be right. More often than not, picking the two best resumes will do better than letting voters pick.
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by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 4:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Agree here
If you are a big boy win all your games or shut up its just crying. I come down on the other side on the bama/osu debate than you but at the end I really don’t care enough. Either one was acceptable enough. This was about the second place team with teams with 1 loss. Just can’t get too worked up about the issue.
The only thing I will say is OOC SOS mattered 0 to either team chances of getting in. It did not help or hurt either one. The same way as it has not helped any team get into the CG. If you are a traditional power* you don’t have to worry about it at all.
If you are in the top tier or second tier power you do not need to do anything OOC. If you are a mid tier school or lower and looking to play big boy football it will help. Not the SOS but playing Quility builds the brand.
*To make it easy traditional power is a school in the top 18 in winning percentage and in the top 5 conferences.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
tangent time
Regardless of the outcome of the last game, Alabama shouldnt have been there. OSU deserved a shot.
"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum
Ok St.
Had 2 wins against top 10 teams. Texas A&M and OU. Similar to Alabama’s win over Florida, Ok St’s win over TxA&M shouldn’t count as they finished 7-6 and out of the top 25.
In the end, both teams had one legitimate win over a top 10 team. Bama – Arkansas. OK St. – OU
Hold the phone. If you're going to go with final top-25 rankings consider this:
Alabama has wins over : Arkansas
OK. State has wins over: Oklahoma, Baylor, Kansas State
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhh Bama beat LSU.
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badly
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- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
and UF beat FSU in 96 NC GAME
Even though FSU was the better team and had already beat UF at the end of the Regular season, there should not have been a re match…same could be said for LSU…LSU has mindset of been there, done that, who’s next, I agree that bama is a good team but if you get one chance during the regular season, and blow it, its not fair to other teams who were undefeated and already beat the same team like LSU 2011..FSU 96
by thornole on Jan 24, 2012 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No way FSU was the better team. That UF team was one of the best of all time IMO.
Their resume was a bloodbath of ranked teams.
No way were they one of the best of all time
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by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 9:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Tough to say who was better
Their win over us looked a lot more impressive than ours over them at first glance. But take into account the defensive guys who didn’t play (food poisoning) and the RB situation (back-up Rock Preston academically ineligible, starter Warrick Dunn lost early in the second half of a 24-20 game) and it changes the perception. I’m not going to definitively say that we were better than them, but I don’t think they were definitively better either.
In any case, no way that team was one of the best of all time. I’m not even sure that either FSU or UF were as good as Nebraska that year.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 24, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough on the all time point.
I feel kind of creepy giving them such credit, but who can argue with this resume:
The beat:
- Tennessee in Knoxville
- LSU 56-13
- Auburn 51-10
- Bama by 2 touchdowns
- FSU 52-20
Their only loss was by 3 points the #2 FSU team at Doak.
I think the the regular season game we played that year is one of my favorite of all time. I view it as the game when a very good FSU team went up against an unstoppable juggernaut. It was the Miracle on Ice, Namath pulling the win, etc. That game was Mickey Andrews magnum opus. It is the most quintessentially perfect version of his defensive vision executed to as imagined.
Jumped to a lead early and then held on tight for the win. No underdog can be reasonably expected to do that twice. But we can say that what was probably UF’s best team all time, lost to a team that was probably not even in our top 10 all time teams.
ungh, formatting.
Tennessee should be number 2
LSU number 12
Auburn number 16
FSU number 2
Alabama number 11
FSU number 1
All valid points
But the main reasons that FSU beat them in the first game were defensive depth that allowed us to stay fresh on that side of the ball and an almost unstoppable running game (Dunn alone ran for 185). Food poisoning took care of the first, and losing Preston and Dunn took care of the second.
They may very well have beaten us anyway, but it would have been an entirely different game. It was 24-20 when Dunn went out, and we had to lean on Dee Feaster to carry the load in a NC game. The now one dimensional offense couldn’t stay on the field, and that’s where losing so much depth on defense became an issue. Long story short, the defense got worn down and they put up a lot of points late.
They won when it matters so they deserve the NC. but no way you’ll ever convince me that they were definitively the better team.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 26, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
We're talking about the body of work of who should have been given a shot at the Title
Beating LSU does not retroactively mean they deserved it more than OSU. Heck, Bama had already lost to LSU once.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I just dont think OSU is better than BAMA...
And i’m sure many others who voted felt the same way. Bama beat bama the first time IMO. But I do think OSU-BAMA or LSU-OSU would have been a better game to watch. I just really appreciate the defense there at Bama.
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I don't think OSU is better than Bama either
But they had a better resume, and this is the BCS system that refused to have a Michigan-Ohio State rematch for the national title and backed in a UF team that wasn’t as good as the Wolverines that year.
I don’t look at the the OSU/Bama debate within the scope of the season, but rather on the precedence set by the system itself. Personally, although I do understand the financial and scheduling roadblocks of such an idea, I wish they would move to a playoff system so this debate could die off. Between the 13-0 Auburn debacle, the tOSU/Mich/Florida fiasco and this year’s snooze fest, the BCS is showing itself to only be feasible when the chips fall into convenient place, rather then being an operation that facilitates and clear method of determining which teams deserve a shot at a Championship.
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by Sir Lawrence J on Jan 24, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
That's why we all know resume doesn't matter.
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That, and
Alabama is a huge brand. Oklahoma State is not. Brand>>>>>>>>Resume in most scenarios.
This
All but 1 team that has played for the BCS NC is a traditional power (top 18 all time in win percentage and Big 5 conference). The 1 outside is Oregon which is getting close to the point you can call them a national brand kind of like Wisconsin and maybe soon Arky and Okie St. The only semi brand that needs to worry about resume anymore is Boise st.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
OKState is going to nosedive this season.
Just my opinion. Although I do like Gundy.
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by Nole Resurrected on Jan 24, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Seems to be the consensus
I’ve seen early rankings that don’t even have them in the top 25. I’m not writing them off though.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 24, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know if they'll drop that far off,
but close too it.
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by Nole Resurrected on Jan 25, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Myth of the 07 season
That was the 1 in 100 year season. LSU got in the game with 2 losses but if LSU was passed up it would be for another team with 2 losses. There was 1 undefeated team Hawaii that every one knew was because of the scedule. There was 2 one loss teams in tOSU and KU. KU did not make their CCG. KU is not Alabama where its name alone will get people to change their former beliefs. Everyone else had 2 losses but the other contenders had worse timing.
Just about any of the contenders that made it into that game against tOSU would have favored. Even tOSU knew that was not their year as that was supposed to be the rebuilding year.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
Yeah that was the year
when USF and BC spent time ranked #2 in the country. Just a down year across the board really. Though if Dennis Dixon doesn’t get hurt, Oregon probably gets in the NC game with one loss and mops Ohio State.
by BobLoblaw113 on Jan 24, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
I bet the farm on the Turds that game lol
Felt weird rooting for them but its was such an easy bet…………doulbled my bodog money in one game :)
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by stevegrizzle on Jan 25, 2012 3:32 AM EST up reply actions
You can't win if your not allowed to play.
This years NCG, like many before, show that ESPN and it’s affiliate “voters” have a vested interest in the SEC playing in that game no matter the season another team has. Validates that the season does not matter unless you’re in the SEC. Then, every team is worthy and every weekend is a big game even when its ole miss vs kentucky.
I like taking them off our schedule
and losing 0 games
Duckett's film had him mauling guys 1/2 his size; questionable competition
He has some potential. Character (willingness to work hard) will be his success story or his downfall.
What are you glorifying with your life?
At 6'8" 340 lbs, who ISN'T half his size?!?
by LilburnNole on Jan 24, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
East River is an 8A school, I believe.
I know they are 8A for Bball because I know one of the players on the team, so I think they are 8A for football as well. One of my good friends is the OL coach there, need to talk to him and see what the scoop is.
by NoleFanAtUCF on Jan 24, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
East River High
I’ve lived in Orlando almost my entire life and that is the first I’ve heard of East River High
New High School on the East Side of Town.
Between UCF and Bithlo. Way out off of Hwy 50.
by zewhitedevil on Jan 24, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Like the bumper sticker says:
“Bithlo: The nightmare before Christmas” ..
(town east of UCF and Bithlo) Everybody in Bithlo can recite all the dialouge of the movie Deliverance from the age of 6.
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Jan 24, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
And driving. And chewing tobacco. And seeing rated-R movies, alone.
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Duckett has been living with his dad since age 2, when his parents got divorced. Soon after, he was hunting in the woods behind his home in Bithlo.
“He’s been in the woods with me ever since he was 4 years old, climbing trees,” Chris Duckett said. “He knew more about hunting when he was 8 or 9 than most adults do.”
And they drag race a converted school bus around a racetrack.
Hell, I’m from Titusville and even I think thats pretty redneck.
by zewhitedevil on Jan 24, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed....
I went to HS in Titusville. The drive into Orlando was always an interesting experience. Swamp People x 2.
FSU back-2-back state champs!! 52-14
by CashvilleNole on Jan 24, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Uh oh, here's the real question then....which High School did you go to?
Are you a Terrier or War Eagle? I myself went to AHS.
by zewhitedevil on Jan 24, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
What year did you graduate???
I’m a War Eagle too, grew up off of Carpenter Rd
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1997
My family and I lived on War Eagle Blvd. Then when I went to college they moved to….Oviedo. Small World.
by zewhitedevil on Jan 26, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Anybody else a little worried that for the past two summer offseasons Venables has watched an extensive amount of tape of FSU's offense and in both games we have looked very poor?
Seems like he knows how to scheme very well against this offense.
Eh, OU also has considerably better defensive talent than CU will. And, much of the OU game this year was poor FSU execution.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. CU defensive talent doesnt match OU's.
by TimScribble on Jan 24, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Venables has a lot of work
to do with Clemson’s defense. Clemson’s D could be a few years away from being elite.
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by Matt Champion on Jan 24, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
never liked venables
That defense took a nose dive ever since he has been at OU and really relied on superior athletes and so-so coaching. The year they brought in Bo Pelini they took a big step forward, but he has never impressed that is why he basically got pushed out of OU in the first place.
LOL not even close to being accurate
That defense took a nose dive ever since he has been at OU
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
As far as WVU goes
Is it safe to assume if the Big East settles, the OOC game they drop is FSU or is there a chance they drop a different game?
by Jonathan Loesche on Jan 24, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions
This is what user reid-the-manuel had to say about Duckett from the recruiting thread:
“plays at east river, we played him twice. their line is huge to 3 kids above 6-4 and all over 300lbs. He was the most dominant due to size his technique needs work but he dominated james washington(syracuse commit)”
Not just Miami
Also Virginia Tech, NC State, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Boston College, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest…
You get the picture.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
And I was agreeing with you and adding we an also add all these other school who also recruit mainly 3*'s
Probably was a bit of a stretch lol
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Haha. I guess the 3* DE is all he'll face from Miami
Seriously though, if you have a guy dominating BCS level players, which is how it was described, he’s probably good enough to extend an offer, especially when he’s 6’8" 340
Good thing UM & UF are signing 3* DE's then...
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not sure about Zebrie in the 1st
hasnt looked like a 1st round draft pick on either end of the line, but he could be a solid 3rd round pick at RT based on size and run blocking. not an OL expert by any means, but that has been the trend i have seen over the last 2 years. he needs to be lights out this week in terms of effort and winning his blocks consistently if he wants to jump that high.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Many have him in the first. No way he slips out of the first 60 picks.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
based on size?
his production hasnt really been there
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
i have seen good, but not great play
i think thats the disconnect. it isnt as though he was bad by any stretch, but i just havent seen LT potential, and i cant see taking a RT in the first. he did well enough at LT after Datko went out, considering the mistakes and shuffling on the line, but i just didnt see 1st round production.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
then again
i forgot he hired Drew Rosenhaus. that might help just a bit…
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Like to see him in Washington
The zone blocking system Trickett runs is similar to the Gibbs- Shanahan system the Redskins employ. He’d plug in nicely at RT, a position of need there.
by tuckwell on Jan 24, 2012 2:46 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Houston has ZERO need for a top-60 pick at RT...
Denver might splurge on a player to protect their FullBack’s blind side though.
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by DRusso97 on Jan 24, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
hahaha fullback
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
He was screwed on several holding calls this year
He did have a couple false starts, but otherwise he was the shining light on our OL the whole year.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
that isnt really a compliment, its just expected
he was one of 2 players expected to be very good (Datko was the other) and he was the best on the field the rest of the season by default.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Much better on the right side than the left, for sure.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 24, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
He is not as bad as he looked at times this year.
Played pretty well last year from what I recall. When Datko and Spurlock went down, his play decreased. I’d chalk it up to the overall inconsistency of the line, and him maybe having to help out more than he was accustomed to.
by FSUActuary on Jan 24, 2012 12:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Zebrie graded out at 96 against ND, it was his best game of his career
by hisaoawesome on Jan 24, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
And he was awesome in the Bowl game, if you watched the replay.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 24, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Silly me, I thought ND was the Bowl Game
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by stevegrizzle on Jan 24, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And I think he got screwed by the refs in the UVA game too.
Not a TD pass, but a big gainer.
by zewhitedevil on Jan 24, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
lol
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta say Golden is doing pretty well
considering all he’s up against. If people want to overrate his class…great. Hope it leads to unreasonable expectations, then Miami can turn into the ex-GF at the bar. The one that got fugly since you last saw her.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 24, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions
No, no, no, no.
Miami never does anything right. Ever.
I can’t believe you are trying to be nice. Yuck.
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that would make them the reverse ugly duckling
used to be attractive, so she had a crappy personality, but people looked past her character flaws because she was so attractive. now she is ugly and flawed, which means she goes home with whoever is left at the bar at closing time.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
He’s doing great considering all the stuff he’s saddled with.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Miami can turn into the ex-GF at the bar. The one that got fugly since you last saw her.
Literally, for at least one us here.
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by Nole Resurrected on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
You dated that chick?
Jeez dude, raise your standards
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 24, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah,
Her name is Sebastian. I dated her for years until she got soo ugly I couldn’t look at her without trhowing up.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 24, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sebastian: You found me beautiful once...
Nole Resurrected: Birdie, you got reeeal ugly.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
I was trying to find a gif of that when I posted that one.
Army of Darkness, one of the most quotable movies ever.
I have Evil Dead 2 saved on my DVR. Mrs. Nole just can’t understand why. She’s says it’s stupid. I told her THAT’S the beauty of Evil Dead 2.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 24, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely LOVE that movie!
How were you ever a Cane?
I’ll swallow your soul! I’ll swallow your SOUL!
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Looking back,
there’s lots of thing I wonder how I ever did.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 26, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
...looks like the lil sis of the hot TriDelt....
the one you hope your Wingman can distract while you perform the flanking manuever
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Jan 24, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't realize we were hit by "several" recruiting defections.
One to Alabama. Any others? And apparently Jameis is still thinking about leaving.
This guy evidentally knows a lot more than me.
Alphonse Taylor is 360 lbs. He counts as two?
by Bud Elliott on Jan 24, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hamilton to USF
We’re literally cutting the fat.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 12:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Article is terrible
Wish I wouldn’t have clicked on it.
Interesting that the Table say's Miami has 4 in the top 100
click the link for team rankings miami has 2 in the top 100… Looks like someone got lazy…
Bud, who do we believe, Shurburtt or Newberg?
Fischer article is crap. FSU has 10 ESPNU top 150 commits (likely with more to come) and Miami has 5 with a class twice the size. Seems like there is a lot more variation in rankings from service to service this year than I recall in years past.
Anyone find this recent Jeff Cameron news odd?
Leaving the show but not announcing he’s going somewhere else. You wouldn’t quit one job without knowing you have another waiting unless there is something else going on here.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 2:04 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I believe there will be a resolution to this shortly. Heard one rumor, have no idea if its true or not.
This is the internet, we like rumors.
This I know more than you do bragging is annoying as hell
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
by stevegrizzle on Jan 24, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
she should make an alter-ego and post her knowledge. We won’t know whether to believe her or burn her at the stake.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
www.FireFSU.com
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Because I don’t know if it’s true or not. My “I believe” statement is just that my own guess based on timing of events and the rumor he was leaving (Setting up new twitter account, supposed things at the station). If I don’t know not going to say I’m sure.
I don't know if this has been asked before, but who are you?
Can I see some ID?
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Credit for Usual Suspects reference
But it is Keyser Söze
Somewhere beyond the barricade, is there a world you long to see?
by Sir Lawrence J on Jan 24, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
You must see the movie The Usual Suspects.
Probably a Top 10 movie of all time along with Braveheart and Lord of the Rings. The Usual Suspects as you might have guessed is a mystery-type movie. Stars Kevin Spacey.
And?
or is this behind the scenes not allowed to disclose type stuff? I would hate to lose out on hearing that dude get after it…
CHOOOO CHOOOOOO
You mean the sports babe
Isn’t a knowledgeable babe after all….. guhhhh… Hate her.
by NewEraNoles on Jan 25, 2012 6:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
This isn't another PT Willis scenario is it?
I can’t see CJF pulling that nonsense like BB did.
Definitely not from what I've read.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Well......
There is this thing called paraphrasing…….give it a shot
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
by stevegrizzle on Jan 24, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Always been complimentary of Jimbo, so I doubt that
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by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 2:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Any idea if he will still be covering FSU or even college ball?
Or perhaps he’s moving up and doing only the Bucs now?
#AllConjecture
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
It'd be odd for him to not cpver FSU at all
Regardless, he’s gonna talk too much about the Pirates where ever he ends up.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 2:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He might end up in pittsburg working
with the pirates who knows…. just a sad day for Tallahassee. Losing a good one.
probably has a non compete
hired by new company and has to sit on the sidelines for a bit
Football is my favorite show.
Well, no more reason to listen to 1270 the Team here in Tallahassee. This sucks. Jeff was great!
by TriNole83 on Jan 24, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And the only real competition in Tallahassee is...
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 3:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
non competes are illegal in CA and other states.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Jan 24, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
However FL
Is a right to work state, which causes some discrepancy issues with finding new employment and in my experience tends to lean on favor of the employee rather than the former employer.
by NewEraNoles on Jan 24, 2012 8:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Non-competes generally don't apply if you move out of the market.
It’s mostly to keep you from moving across the street to the direct competition, not across the country.
Besides, they’re generally not enforceable in FL what with the Right-to-Work law and all.
I had another host come to one of my stations from across town and his old station decided to keep him from working by holding him to his old non-compete clause. He fought it and it got dismissed. Started with us the next day.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
I will never understand why HD is given mention on this site
To me she is BR quality
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
Agreed.
But she has gotten better.
Nah I’m just kiddin’.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 24, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
mildly, yes
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by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 4:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This is what annoys me most about that situation
I would much rather have an female Charlie Weiss with good info and knowledge, and dare I say logical analysis, than an attractive or mildly attractive dunce.
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
by stevegrizzle on Jan 24, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
I’d rather the ACC not stick us with the Holly Rowe of bloggers.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 5:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
ESPN, excuse me.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 5:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Holly Rowe has no redeeming qualities, other than being a pleasant interviewer
not particularly pretty, and not particularly informed about the subject she reports.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
So, like HD, but with some semblance of ability somewhere?
When can she start?
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
when she stops wearing heels to report a game in the mud
my mom still wont let her live that one down. she doesnt remember many names, but she knows Holly Rowe is an idiot, and Ron Cherry is an embarrassment to referees everywhere.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
You know you’ve effed up when mom calls you out
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Jan 24, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
not fond of the fivehead, huh?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
If FSU gets out of the game with WVU
does the BE insist that FSU plays another BE school to make up the agreement?
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
it thats what it took, as long as we can pick the team, i would agree to that
#helloSyracuse #welcometotheACC #nowcometakeyourbeatdown
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I dont think this far ahead, are we expecting big things in 2015?
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Jan 24, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
A new Athletic Director, hopefully......
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No but in odd years we already have 5 road games
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 24, 2012 9:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
hint hint, kids
these are the years we realistically compete for titles, assuming the talent dropoff isnt big from the previous year
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
that is, the even years (2014, 2016) when we DON'T have 5 road games
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
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