The conversation: Talking Wake Forest with Blogger So Dear
Florida State travels to Winston-Salem tonight in what the old media keeps describing as a classic let-down situation. And they'll keep saying that until FSU loses, and then they'll pat themselves on the backs for their prescient insight. Let down or not, road wins are tough to come by. Even at Wake Forest. To get a look into the state of the Wake Forest program we turned to the excellent writers over at Blogger So Dear. Head on over and check them out. And if you're a twitterer, make sure you follow Martin Rickman before tonight's game.
Put me in the mind of a Wake fan. This is Jeff Bzdelik's 2nd year. Is there a sense that he's the guy who can return Wake Forest to the upper echelon of the ACC?
Depends on which kind of a Wake fan you are, I guess. At this point there are really two types of Demon Deacons – those who never thought Jeff Bzdelik should have been coach to begin with, and those who are in the he's here, so let's wait and see camp.
There’s been no evidence in Bzdelik’s past resumé to indicate that he’ll bring Wake Forest to the upper echelon of the ACC. He has no NCAA Tournament wins, he consistently loses in the first round of his conference tournament, he has a career 130-137 record as a college coach, he has never spent longer than three years as head coach of the same team.
But, he could bring "stability" to a team that needed it. The longer he is here, the longer I believe he’s got the mold of a fixer – kind of like one of those CEOs who flips a company to get it profitable again before it is sold. I don’t love it, or the idea that Wake is being treated like a floundering, rebuilding NFL team, but it’s a reality right now.
What were reasonable goals for the season? Are they being met?
Play harder. Play as a team. Win more games. They’re being met, for the most part, but not exactly exceeded.
Embarrassing losses to Arizona State, Wofford and the Colonel Kurtz-like horror that was the N.C. State game have shown the team doesn’t give consistent effort from game to game. A solid performance against Dayton, a road win against Nebraska and the victory over the Hokies were nice.
Let’s give it an incomplete. If Wake is able to win two-three more ACC games in a down year for the league, they’ll have been met for the most part, I guess. I wanted 15 wins; I’m probably going to get 12-14.
Wake Forest already has more ACC wins than last season. But they've been inconsistent. What's the difference between the team that beat Virginia Tech and Boston College and the team that lost by 36 at home to NC State?
Well, Boston College is horrible. So that’s that. They’re rated worse in KenPom right now than Wake was to end the year last year. They are currently the second-worst team the Demon Deacons have played all year according to those rankings (Georgia Southern is the worst, by a whopping one spot, 265-264). Consider that. It’s actually a little bit stunning. If Wake had lost to BC on Saturday, the fanbase would have been in full-blown meltdown mode. And Virginia Tech team lost to that BC team.
The differences stem from getting a consistent effort from Harris and McKie (if either of the two have a bad game, Wake usually loses), teams making their outside shots (VT and BC didn’t) and Wake getting anything else out of its supporting cast (when Tony Chennault and Nikita Mescheriakov take a bunch of shots, it isn’t a good sign).
CJ Harris has gone from promising freshman to disappointing sophomore to electric junior. What happened? And is he or Travis McKie more likely to put the team on their back for one game? Who outside of those two should Noles key in on for this game?
Harris wasn’t as disappointing as he seemed last year. He was 23rd in the country in FTRate, had a 54.5 percent true shooting percentage, and still managed to average double-digit scoring and 3.5 assists for a team that only averaged 11 assists a game. I think he just seemed worse because the team was so bad as a whole. The shots are falling for him this year, especially from outside, and he’s improved his strength on his drives. Honestly he is one of the most underrated players in college basketball.
C.J. takes big shots at the end of games (see: VT especially), and even in games he is struggling, still manages to make a difference this year.
While McKie is the most consistent, and will give the Deacs 15 points and six or seven rebounds game-in and game-out, Harris is the guy that FSU needs to hone in on. The Seminoles have plenty of size to bother McKie just by playing their game.
Finally, a prediction. What's the final score and how is it gonna happen?
FSU’s just too big, too strong and too good defensively. The Seminoles just need to be patient, take the open shots that Wake will give them from the outside (the Deacs are horrific at rotating on the perimeter), and clean up the glass. If Florida State’s offense doesn’t sputter, the ‘Noles should control this game.
I’ll be surprised if Wake breaks 60 points against FSU, so I’m going to go with FSU 72, Wake 56.
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Wow! Love his score prediction.
I hope he’s right on target. Then we get a week to rest up before a couple of home games. I like the way things look right now. Though I am a little worried about Virginia.
Virginia scares me too. I've watched them close the last few weeks.
Pretty good on the defensive side. “voice of dollar bill” if we don’t raise up there gonna be troooouble troubleeeee"
by NOLEisticscience on Jan 25, 2012 9:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
the Cavs will be without their starting 7-foot center, Assane Sene, for the game in Tally.
that helps.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
I heard that Sene was out. Is he done for the season?
I hope he just misses our game and comes back healthy. Scott is a stud, though.
Just googled the Sene scene (sorry, couldn't help myself.)
The Washington Post says he’s out 6 weeks with an ankle injury.
UVA is tough, but losing to VATech at home raises eyebrows....
Dont sleep on NCST. We only get them once, but its on the road.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 25, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
NC State hates our guts.
We’ve usurped what they see as their rightful spot in the “Big Three” of ACC Hoops. Plus we stuck them with CTC. They will be VERY hard to beat in Raleigh. I might try to get up there for that game (family in the area).
they didnt put up much of a fight last year at the rbc center -
but scott wood always seems to show out against us…
Seems like I remember Wood killing us at home one year, too.
Red-headed stepchild!
3rd highest offensive rating in the nation.
The kid can shoot
by Michael Rogner on Jan 25, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
yeah - that was when he was a freshmen iirc
he weighed about 152 lb and hit like 6 threes against us…
Right....I was hoping he would of graduated by now. Derwin Kichen Syndrome...
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 25, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Nice read Mr. Rogner
Wake is NOT a bad team. #103 in the most recent RPI. I like the Noles tonight, but would be surprised if they won by 16. I think we wear them down in the 2nd half….71-60 Noles.
Televised on DIRECTV Channel 654 @ 7pm here in Jax.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 25, 2012 9:42 AM EST reply actions
All that means is that they've played a smart schedule.
188th in efficiency ratings, which puts them a little behind Maryland
by Michael Rogner on Jan 25, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
SOS is top 75
Will be in the top 50 before the end of the year.
Curious about our efficiency rating, do you have a link?
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 25, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
You should've seen my face when that subscription page popped up.
He didn’t even have the decency to put it on the front page…he lets you take in all that warm, sugary info on the front page, then BAM! PAY ME…
Oh well.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Thank you
Was surprised our final ranking was outside the top 30 at the end of last year.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 25, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the channel info
One school is ranked top 25 in football, basketball, and baseball and its not Stanford or University of Florida at Gainesville.
by Ponder This on Jan 25, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I checked out the stats at statsheet.com after he called the NCState game
a “horror show” for Wake fans. Boy, is he right about that description. 17 points in the first half, 59.7 off efficiency vs. 113.4 for NCState. .6 points/possession, and the game was statistically over with 10:37 to go in the game. And at home. That’s how not to get the fan base excited.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
Who knows what goes on behind closed doors
but on paper and on the court, Wake firing Gaudio and then hiring Bzdllekmytzplk was the worst ACC coaching move in a decade.
When you think about it, most ACC coaching moves in the last several years have been underwhelming at best.
Anyway, FSU 72, Wake 62.
Agree that Dino Gaudio was a better coach,
but that’s just from a fan’s perspective. I don’t know what else was going on, but when Justin Gray and Tim Pickett are coming back to see games it would seem that the fans are expecting a high level of performance.
As to the coaching hires, I think NC State & UVA both upgraded. Don’t have a feel for MD yet.
But NC State had to wreck their program before the upgraded,
and they still ended up with something like option #6
by Michael Rogner on Jan 25, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Turgeon is a good coach
He will mix things up in the DC area.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 25, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Having the most expensive assistant in the nation won't hurt,
as he’s proven he can land DC area AAU kids.
With Maryland’s resources there’s no reason they shouldn’t be a consistent top-4 program in the ACC
by Michael Rogner on Jan 25, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Turgeon (unlike Gary Williams) will cultivate relationships w/ those AAU coaches
Terps will be a big factor in the ACC, just give it a couple of years.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 25, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
If MD can hold court on DC area talent,
they should be formidable in years to come.
If NCST can hold court on DC area talent,
Maryland is screwed
by Michael Rogner on Jan 25, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
OT but perhaps you hoop gurus have insight
I saw Von Wafer (!^%%$#$%^) in an NBA game the other day – how is it that he’s in the league, and Tim Pickett is not???
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We need to get off to a fast start.
If we let Wake hang around things may get a little dicey. Winston Salem is never an easy place to play.

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