FSU at Wake Forest preview and game thread
by Michael Rogner on Jan 25, 2012 4:36 PM EST
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FSU takes to the road for the 2nd straight game, looking to maintain their place atop the ACC. They face the improved Wake Forest Demon Deacons (11-8, 2-3). If you missed our conversation with the best Wake Forest blog on the web, make sure you scan down the front page and read that. Also, they posted a Q&A with Tomahawk Nation at their site.
The Seminoles revamped offense has been the story of late. FSU is 2nd in offensive efficiency in conference-only games (yes, including the Clemson game), and are looking for their 4th straight game scoring more than a point per possession. The Noles haven't scored at that rate in 4-consecutive conference games in three years. The offense is due to a 3-guard attack which the Noles have been refining. The spacing* has been solid, and the offense has flowed because of it.
[*spacing. I've been talking about it for two weeks but have yet to diagram exactly what I mean. So I made a video from an inbounds play vs Duke which contains examples of both good and bad spacing, and analyzed it. Check it out. You'll even see Leonard Hamilton doing his best Obi Wan Kenobi impression.]
Last season Wake Forest had both the worst offense and the worst defense in the conference. This year they've improved to 10th in both. They have a pair of offensive stars who get little or no help. 6'7 Sophomore Travis Mckie plays 87% of Wake's minutes and is averaging 17.2 points and 6.7 rebounds a game. He's a threat from deep (37.5%) and can score in a number of ways inside. He's joined by 6'3 junior C.J. Harris who is having a breakout season. Harris is making half his 2s, 48% of his 3s and 80% of his FTs (and he gets to the line 70% more than any FSU player). Harris averages 17.3 a game.
On defense Wake is plagued by the classic possession shortage. They don't take away other team's possessions (233rd at forcing turnovers) while they simultaneously allow opponents to extend those possessions (208th in defensive rebounding). Their main strength is that they block 14% of opponents shots, largely due to twin 7-footers Carson Desrosiers and Ty Walker. Walker missed the fall semester and since his return each player has been averaging right about 20 minutes.
The game tips at 7pm from Winston-Salem and will be broadcast on Fox Sports Florida. FSU is an 8-point favorite in Vegas, and Pomeroy has the Noles -11.
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Is it me or is that 3 point swing a bigger spread from Vegas to Pomeroy?
aka calling my bookie now.
Ha!
You didn’t include a unit of measure. Pizzas? Yards? Hairy lipped 3rd grade teachers named Mrs. Morrison? Negative 1 Points? Femtoseconds? Easy to throw this out there when you’re not tied to units, man/woman.
by SolidNole on Jan 25, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
damn - you figured me out
i was predicting we win by 16 stone
Michael
I loved the spacing article. Loved it. Loved it.
Well explained and the pics make all the difference.
by CelticPride on Jan 25, 2012 5:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
As to this game
No game on the road in the ACC should be taken for granted. If we play our best, we should win.
But it’s hard to keep young men focused for every game of the season – especially when the press are pumping their tires.
I expect a lazy (from an FSU perspective) first half where the game is close. And then FSU to wake up and pull it out in the second half by around 8… (I wouldn’t be calling my bookie)
Crap, just saw this was blacked out on ESPN3
I don’t get Fox Sports channels. WTF will I do now!
is it blacked out for you because you are in Florida?
If that’s the case, I really can’t believe the reality that it seems I am better off being in Cleveland rather than Florida to watch FSU hoops games.
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Sports Bar
Slap the bartender a 20 spot, order a burger and a beer tell him it’s on channel 654 (DIRECTV).
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 25, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
please..
been looking but can’t find one. usually first row sports has it but this time they want you to install all that crap….uh no!!!
by FieldGeneral on Jan 25, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
All I can find is the firstrowsports. It works for me, and I don't remember installing anything(?)
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http://www.firstrow.tv/watch/104081/1/watch-florida-state-vs-wake-forest.html
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Weird
At work it said it was blacked out. When I got home I check again and it’s live.
Maybe it was a mistake and they caught it.
That happens alot w/ ESPN
It’s a crapshoot on where I can find it half the time in Pensacola.
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71-60 Noles
I hope I’m not being to optimistic, but the resolve of this team seems a lttle different to me over the past couple of weeks. They’re a team w/ a lot of seniors and they seem to be on the same page right now. I agree the Ivy league losses and Clemson were ugly, but lets remeber that the three guard lineup has not been in effect for that long and these guys seem to understand there spots on the floor better now. I don’t see a let down tonight on the road, and if we play the way we are capable of TONIGHT, well then the rest of the ACC has been put on notice.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 25, 2012 6:18 PM EST reply actions
Just broke up with my girlfriend.
My first thought immediately after: “Well, I’ll finally get to watch FSU live!”
Never thought this day would come.
Am I the meanest? Am I the prettiest? Am I the baddest mofo low down around this town? Well who am I? Who am I?
I can't hear you..
well, thats too bad.
If I was where you are, I’d suggest a trip to the nearest strip club after the Noles’ win. That always worked for me. Just had to make sure I didn’t end up at the strip club the girl I just broke up with worked at.
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you might be on to something here
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I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 25, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Michael I'd be interested to know what our 2nd half offensive efficiency is in the last 3 games
It seems like the 2nd half is when we really have been just throttling our opponents.
Cyberpunk - a lifestyle characterized by computer games, internet surfing, and large doses of attitude.
does it need to be video?
I know in years past, WBOB 600AM out of Jacksonville did not block their audio stream.
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Evidently it doesn't work on everyone's system
I’m looking for an alternate.
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DL the streamtorrent player. It works
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
by stevegrizzle on Jan 25, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
How many guys named Nikita go to WF?
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I can't hear you..
Anyone...
…else think the pre-game guys look like an old Will Ferrell, and a balding Chris Kattan?
I WAS LIKE EMILIO!!!!
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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by fsutampaguy on Jan 26, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
that was a cute move
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I can't hear you..
there is one further up the thread. or does that one not work for you?
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Not sure bout a link
But on Fox Sports
by FullTimeNole on Jan 25, 2012 7:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I tried, brother
Couldn’t find anything dependable. Someone above said the torrent software works, if you wanna give that a shot
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boneheaded move already. fantastico.
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I can't hear you..
STUPID
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Jan 25, 2012 7:15 PM EST reply actions
Sarge still got LOTS to learn
Had and EASY bucket, but put the ball on the ground, gave the defender time to slide over.
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kreft using that retard strength in the paint
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I can't hear you..
Loucks was pulled quickly
XGibson got a T for taunting after a dunk
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That's the only way to stop Jon Kreft
Sit back and pray he travels…
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there it is. the BJames gold-plated AK-47 shot.
guaranteed once a game
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Jack Rye is Mark McGwire’s neighbor
Nick O’Leary is Jack Nicklaus’ grandson
And Bernard James held a gold AK
yes, but which would you rather be?
McGwire’s Neighbor, Nicklaus grandson, or the owner of a gold-plated AK?
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Nicklaus' grandson.
Then I could buy as many gold-plated AKs as I wanted.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
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Kreft and Peterson are keeping us in this
Bizarro world
15-12 good guys
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I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 25, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
so good
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I can't hear you..
Havent watched an FSU basketball game in forever, but catching one tonight
Cant seem to locate Tim Pickett though
offense is lookin' ugly
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I can't hear you..
oh damn
Am I the meanest? Am I the prettiest? Am I the baddest mofo low down around this town? Well who am I? Who am I?
I can't hear you..
Let that guy keep shooting that shot from the corner there.
Loving that.
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Its weird that we have good ball movement
but nothing going on/nothing open, etc
It kills me when guys pump fake on the 3 and then step a foot inside for a shot
Least efficient shot in the game
Somewhere beyond the barricade, is there a world you long to see?
wake cant hit the broad side of the barn right now
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damnit! haha
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I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 25, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
marlins tickets, anyone?
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I can't hear you..
Nope…I’d rather watch and listen to the two most annoying commentators in baseball not named Tim McCarver….plus there would be more people at my house than actually at the game….
/Braves fan
Thanks for inviting me out today. I really needed some time to stop worrying about my love life.
--Well, you know, that's why God gave us baseball..... And war.
I'm down.
Just so I can see this in the outfield…
Not sure what to make of it, but It definitely screams Miami.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Jan 25, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if it’s sad, pathetic, or a little bit of both that it was someone’s job in the organization to come up with this horrible idea.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Jan 25, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
same dude who did the mets' "ornament" or whatever you wanna call it
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I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 25, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Did he have a sex change since then?
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Jan 25, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
no... he just went to Miami.
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by STAquinasNole on Jan 25, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Makes perfect sense.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Jan 25, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
you'd think someone in the organization would have the sense to say,
“just give me a marlin diving into the ocean!”
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YOU'RE IN!
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I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 25, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
yea... however, even just all of the events that the venue will play host to
all-star games, world baseball classic, etc. etc. should all bring in bags of money to MDC. look at the figures for what KC got when they hosted the all-star game. it’s unbelievable.
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I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 25, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
this officiating is....interesting
by DixieNole on Jan 25, 2012 7:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
In the ACC??
…oh hai…
Thanks for inviting me out today. I really needed some time to stop worrying about my love life.
--Well, you know, that's why God gave us baseball..... And war.
how is that a shot-clock violation?
ball was in the air b/f the buzzer…
wow - refs just made up rules to get to teh locker room quicker
wouldnt make a difference, but the refs shat the bed on that one..
29-23 at half
looks like the Noles are gonna have to grind out an ACC road win this night.
I’ll give you one stat I like from the first half: 6 turnovers.
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still early
Come out and establish through the first 4. Seemed rushed early.
by DixieNole on Jan 25, 2012 8:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You Jinxed it!
If we turn the ball over more than 15 times the second half, you are B&
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i was thinking the same thing about turnovers
That way i can tell myself that we haven’t reverted to the old ways, it’s just that our shots haven’t dropped. We were due for a cold half i suppose. Just hope it’s just a half, and be glad it came against Wake.
by LouC on Jan 25, 2012 8:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Make it so.
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by STAquinasNole on Jan 25, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Can we never go inside again?
I swear FSU would basically never turn it over if we just stopped forcing it into the post (which we’d pretty much done over the last few games to great effect). I wish I had the time to chart our success rate when an offensive set centers around going inside. I’m going to estimate roughly 10%.
I much prefer our bigs’ go- to play…the offensive rebound dunk.
We do really look disjointed for some reason.
But I would rather it happen here than UVA or NCSU. If we can win out over those two, and beat the teams we should (on paper) beat, this team has the potential to be amazingly good. I can’t tell you how much I want the team win an ACC title. Can’t articulate it. I would be a worthless, rum-besotted drunk on the beach for a week afterwards. Here’s hoping that happens!
lol. I like that plan.
make it somewhere in the Keys
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damn -
i go for a quick beer run and the wheels fall off -
you can all relax – im back…
There are other ways to exploit our advantage inside
Like, for instance, dribble drives where you don’t have to worry about getting your shot blocked…and if yo miss knowing James/X/Kreft should be there to clean it up.
No more passes to the post!!!
Of course, now X is actually finishing
Still, I understand they have no one left but I still would rather see Snaer/Miller take it to the hole and force them to foul.
gibson reallydoes have nba size/talent if he could just get it all together
the whole, intensity, defense, moving w/out the ball, shot selection bit…
Had to have been.
Lotta time on the clock, and was guarded pretty well
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It's Fourty Four to Thrirty
With Florida State University beating Wake Forest University
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I can’t imagine what it must be like to know that you have to score double digit points to get back into a game against FSU….
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Anyone know if BYU/Va Tech is available?
Just for something to flip to during commercials…
smh
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I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 25, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
The great thing about Snaer
Is his defensive energy after a make (or a miss). It just gets him amped up to shut someone down
by wcnole on Jan 25, 2012 8:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
starting to
pull away a bit… Wake close to giving up I think
shout out to the Noles fans in attendance there.
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you'd think it have to be something one handed, so it can be displayed quickly
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oh damn
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I can't hear you..
athough the "is the lead safe" indicator is only at 82.3%
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We had a bad half, and it came against Wake
Maybe the most fortunate break we’ve had in this little run.
if FSU can build leads... you might see a lot of teams quit
the constant switching and ball pressure has to be maddening
Bzdelik, we salute you!
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by STAquinasNole on Jan 25, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
announcer
has something right though…. if we can store 70-75 along with our D, we’re going to give lots of teams fits
Attitude
Players are playing for each other and to each others strengths now….almost direct quote from Ham but that’s what I see too…I’m buying it.
"The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end"
Gotta remember
Even though we have six seniors, it’s not like they’ve all been playing together for 4 years.
Apparently
A team only meeting after Clemson debacle brought this change as much as anything….heard it was emotional
"The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end"
Tony D was better onball? Not so sure I agree with CHam there.
Wilson was the best off-ball i think… though Singleton had the best anticipation.
Wow that was a terrible flop.
But hey got a good result.
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seriously
that’s 2 wtf rattling 3’s for us and 2 that rattled out for WF
3 of Ws on the road
@Duke, @Wake, @VT
Didn’t we go 3 years without an ACC road win at one point?
It's a Win!
2nd half Florida State does it again, Go Noles!
by FullTimeNole on Jan 25, 2012 9:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Walk ons playing in ACC road game...
…and it’s because FSU is WINNING! My how times have changed.
Very impressive effort
Whatever’s changed since the Clemson loss, bottle it and drink it up each pre-game fellas, it’s working!
It sure should be
All 4 roadies are very winnable. Heck, one of them is a must-win.
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