More conference realignment talk
Pretty far fetched, but who knows...
"Anonymous sources in Morgantown tell me the Big 12 will expand again soon and that both Clemson and Florida State are actively engaged in talks to leave the ACC and join the Mountaineers in a new Big 12 East division."
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Man that gets me all antsy in my pantsy for some Big 14 road games.
Sign me up.
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-Eleanor Roosevelt
Maybe replace Iowa State and Miami
With Boise and Notre Dame?!
The the SEC can suck it. Monster conference.
A Texan humbles himself before God; there the list ends. - Gen. S. Houston
Another site...
I'm done with our crap conference
I don’t see the ACC being proactive in the football sense, just basketball and academics.
I think FSU needs to watch out for FSU, because the ACC has clearly shown that it will not. All it cares about is the roundball and the schools on Tobacco Road.
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
by BossNole on Jan 26, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be almost backwards. Culturally, FSU/Clemson fit well into the SEC. NCSU and VT don't.
Heck, NCSU and VT would fit better in B12 than SEC, IMO.
I could see VaTech.
It’s a football school in a podunk area where there’s nothing to do but go a football game. Granted, they would get killed in the SEC, but culturally, they fit
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 26, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
NC State actually smart choice
North Carolina big market, decent team/potential. VT would be a great pick-up for them, but not sure Virginia politicians let them go w/o UVA.
Friend of mine thinks SEC will go after NC State and FSU. That way they add markets and name recognition. Granted, he has no inside info, but it is logical.
NCSU gives the SEC a RAPIDLY expanding NC TV market.
Dolla Dolla bills & such…
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
Where and Why do people make this stuff up?
NCST has the same exact BOR as UNC and the Same president. They are not going anywhere. UNC cares about its reputation.
If Va Tech wanted to leave for the SEC they would have done so in Aug or Sep. Va Tech was always the prefered school by the SEC. Yet, Va Tech has been the most aggressive school in all of realingment talks about being happy where they are and not wanting to move. Its not like they made vague comments either that could be walked back like we are happy but if things change blah blah blah. They made comments like where is this nonsense comming from we are tied to the hip to the ACC and not even because we used a ton of political capatial to get there and those people are still in office but because we have their names etched into eyelids.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
Why would we want to join the Big 12?
If the goal is a NT, running through a conference that included WV, Clemson, OU, TX, and OK St, seems a bit far fetched.
Is it just about the money?
#58 should be retired in honor of the most destructive force to ever wear garnet and gold
by Wire2Wire99Grad on Jan 26, 2012 2:46 PM EST reply actions
The "big 12"
could offer so much more money with their deal with fox/espn than the ACC it’s ridiculous. If we get the bid we have to take it.
If Satan had a son, it would be John Swofford.
Rumors begin to fly
I was wondering how long after the season would it take for the rumors and talk of realignment to start up again.
Hmm...
Overall, I think I’d rather the ACC lure ND and someone else, start an ACCN, and become more football friendly. I really think there is a lot of potential for our conference: the overall academics and athletics are great. Just not football.
But this option has potential. The money could get pretty good, I expect.
1) Don’t hold your breath on the ACC becoming more football friendly
2) Do you really care about the academics of a conference? I mean really?
Yes, I do like a conference with strong academics (since we're in one)
I also think that academics could come into play with a network. Personally, I don’t want to watch endless replays of the same things over and over. So, add programming via the academic side.
Specialty channels work: History, Travel, Discovery, etc. The ACC covers the eastern US, leaving plenty of options for early American history programs; travel programs could connect with sports by letting fans know cool places to check out on road trips; the universities could use it as a tool for promoting their research (e.g., advances in medicine, computers, etc.); etc. I think the ACC’s programming would be much cooler than anything done by the SEC or probably Big XII. Or, heck, scrap the academics and have reality shows based on sororities and/or cheerleading squads…
Anyway, I agree that 1 isn’t likely. A shame. Since money is so important, we should listen to other offers.
I don't think I'd want to go to the Big 12, but being pursued and talked about is never a bad thing
I’m glad we’re looking into all options. Could drive up our price maybe.
by NoleFrenzy on Jan 26, 2012 4:07 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Step away from the Kool Aid buddy
This has got to be the most ridiculous crap in a while…the WVU people are pissed that the ACC didn’t pick them…so they went and joined the Big XII….ok….so much for being there in the next round of ACC expansion….now…they think FSU and Clemson want to join them…..really?……this makes no sense and is a bunch of wishful thinking on WVU part.
True….the ACC is a basketball conference… VT, FSU and Clemson are the current program leaders in football and moving to the Big XII would not be an overall benefit as BCS is reachable from the ACC. True, the money is better elsewhere but the thinking is that can change for these schools improved programs without changing conferences…
Sorry WVU, it’s unfortunate you weren’t chosen for the ACC this go round and then that was compounded by joining the Big XII…many football fans in the ACC wanted you in the ACC.
It’s clear WVU was not happy with being passed over by the ACC and jumped on the Big XII…good luck hope that works out for WVU. As for the schools suggested as following following….dream on!!!!
In WVU's defense,
if the ship is sinking, you’ll jump on the first boat that will let you on.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 26, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
It does say in "talks"
We have a committee that was created for the sole purpose of holding these talks. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a conversation or two being entertained.
That said, unless the money is crazy, the move they want is to the SEC or none at all.
Continue stalking me on Twitter at SaintChaos1.
That committee never even formed
It was killed before they even had members.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
You are completely wrong here....
WVU may have wanted to join the ACC because of location, and the ACC may have denied them for academics, but let’s be real, WVU is wayyyyyy better off joining the big12 than FSU staying in the ACC.
There is no argument here, if the big12 were to give FSU a bid right now, we’d take it without a doubt, because the big12’s contract with fox and espn is so much more than the ACC’s (and not to mention that they’d have to renegiotiate because you’re bringing an entirely different market to the big12 with FSU in the conference). Moral of the story, FSU is looking for many ways out of the ACC and we need to take the first opportunity that comes, because the ACC obvioulsy has set its priorities protecting Tabacco Road.
If Satan had a son, it would be John Swofford.
Where do you get this stuff?
If the decision makers at FSU wanted out of the ACC the annocement to join the SEC would have been made in September. If you buy the SEC talk about wanting new markets so Mizzou was their choice than I have some MBS I would like to talk to you about. I am sure the SEC just loved having to take Big 10 rejects because their fan base is not obessed at all with being better then them. I am sure they just love Mizzou national brand of what again is their national brand? That they love the whole will they or wont they dance where the president was basically blackmailed into the move in public.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
Also, why does FSU want out anyways?
You mean the ACC that decided to expand and add football first schools despite the wishes of Tabacco Road?
The ACC that kept the ACC CG in Florida way past the point where it was clear they needed to move it to NC?
The ACC that made a serious move to land Texas?
The ACC that after the Texas move did not work out grabbed the 2 best schools east of the Mississippi that where desirable? This with FSU input on the issue?
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
This is ridiculous. No way does FSU, Clemson, or anyone in the ACC leave for an academically inferior and unstable conference. The only teams the Big 12 can attract are non-AQ’s and Big East teams. Notre Dame isn’t going either. If ND joins a conference it will either be the ACC or Big 10.
If the big12
offered FSU and Clemson bids, there is no hesitation. Both schools take it. The money is too much. The big12 TV contract craps on what the ACC can offer even with ’Cuse and Pitt coming in….
If Satan had a son, it would be John Swofford.
No way. The Big 12 is too unstable. Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, and Texas Tech could all still easily go to the Pac-12 or SEC. Kansas could also end up in the Big 10. You also under estimate the importance of academic affiliations.
This....
With terrible marketing, scheduling, officiating and TV deals, the ACC has made it clear that it is a basketball conference first; time for the Big Boys to leave
Says it all.
Amen
So what if it’s the Big 12? We’ll be in a football first conference with possibly a fat NBC deal. We’ll get promoted by NBC the way ESPN promotes their SEC flagship.
At this point, I would take a move to any BCS conference besides the Big Least. The ACC has made it clear they want to be an eastern basketball conference. Let’s join a football league.
Here we go again!
I don’t see it happening.
But, if it causes the SEC to take another look at us…
Or, it nudges Notre Dame toward joining a conference…
(I think ND takes the ACC over the Big 12)
Well, either of those would be good things.
Florida State
NOW
State Champions
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5-3 ACC
SEC
SEC=yes. Very unstable almost collapsed big 12=NO. Not a fan of any move but to the SEC. Hopefully we can corner ND to join ACC and one other. Then this conference should be ripe for the picking. Until we can consistently beat the bad teams in this conference, i see no need to jump ship.
LOL! The irrational hatred directed at the ACC around here is comical.
Let me get this straight. The problem with the ACC is that “other entities” (i.e., the Tobacco Road schools, basketball) control the conference and don’t care about FSU. So the solution is to join a conference headquartered 900 miles away in a different time zone with, financially speaking, the behemoth of all behemoths in college sports (Texas) in it. You think you’re school is getting ignored now, trying joining a conference with Texas in it and see what happens.
Furthermore, the supposed huge money in the Big 12 is not so huge:
When combined with their current ABC/ESPN deal, it brings the total package up to $130 million for 10 schools. So, it’s not like the Big 12 is breaking the bank, [e]specially when you remember that a disproportionate amount of that $130 million is going to go to Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M…
You wanna join the Big 12, fine. Enjoy road trips to Waco, Texas and Manhattan, Kansas, and 11am start times.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
I'm not arguing for the move
But I’d expect the money to go up if FSU, Clem, and maybe a couple others joined. I mean, Tex, OU and FSU in the same conf, plus CU, WV, etc.? That’s probably worth a new deal.
Again, I’m not saying I’d go there; but I’d look at the option at least.
Agreed
We would instantly become a football powerhouse that reaches across the midewest and into the east, with some top football brands. I think the money goes up instantly, especially since NBC appears to be serious about getting into the college football game.
And we get a conference that is serious about college football. With Beebe out at the hands of OU, Texas lost some of it’s Big 12 power, and lot of the insecurity seemed to dry up. If the Big 12 can add an Eastern Division with WVU, FSU, Clemson, and a few others, it becomes a force to be reckoned with, not a weak conference on the brink of collapse.
I think the reason it deserves a good look is because it’s a conference that is serious about football growth and money, and not a conference serious about basketball.
I understand what you guys (Invictus & ScalpEm) are saying, and there are some
reasoned thoughts here. Probably like you two, I want what’s best for FSU, whatever conference that is. I just think, with regard to FSU’s conference situation, there is a HECK of a lot of “grass is always greener” thinking, and not enough “pros & cons” thinking of each possible alternative. Its like “the ACC refs suck, let’s leave!!!”
For example, there is a frequent suggestion that the ACC is only “a conference serious about basketball.” I find this assertion HIGHLY unlikely. Why? Like MISNole posted above @ 3:08 on 1/26, when it comes to conference realignment, it is ALWAYS about money. The sorts of people who rise to levels of power at major athletic instituions and at major conferences are the type of people who understand that more than anyone. These sorts of administrative positions do not self-select for basketball junkies that could care less about what sport drives the financial bus.
And as you guys probably know, the point is not even arguable: football drives the bus, cut-and-dry, end of story. The idea that the powers-that-be in the ACC would ignore this obvious information is just not believable. Basketball is second fiddle, and the ACC knows it.
Here’s the other thing I notice about conference realignment talk around here: the importance of the status and power of a conference with regard to football is generally overstated when it comes to talking television contracts, and other factors are generally understated.
That is, I also find it HIGHLY unlikely that, when the networks are negotiating with the conferences on what to pay whom, the networks are simply saying, “that SEC plays the best football in the country,” or “the Big 12 plays some great football” so, “lets pay them whatever they want.” Sure, that matters, but it is not ALL that matters.
For example, take a look at a map of the US showing ACC member institutions. Let’s assume the ACC does not get ND but poaches Connecticut and Rutgers from the Big East. Not great football programs, I know. But at that point, the ACC is the dominant college conference on the entire Eastern Seaboard, North to South, all the way to Big Ten country. This is the most densly populated region of the country. To think the number of television the ACC can present to a network will not matter is just not believable either. To me, that fact can be leveraged for big time money, and FSU would be in a conference with an easier path to the national title.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
by GoNolzOhio on Jan 27, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes
As I’ve said, my first choice would be to stay in an improved ACC (with ND, ACCN, etc.). As you point out, its geographic footprint has great potential.
Great post gonolzohio
Networks do not pay for the “best football” they pay for the most watched football. The Big Ten roles in cash because they have the biggest dedicated fan footprint and the biggest TV draws with teams like Michigan, Penn St, tOSU and now Nebraska. The Big 12 has Texas and OU and that is it. Outside of Texas they have small and poor states in its footprint. Adding Clemson, WVU and FSU adds 2 more small and poor states to its footprint.
You know what city watches the most college football? That would be NYC the notorous city that does not care about the sport. But, it does not need to because there is 25 million people in the NYC media market so by sure size alone it pulls huge numbers.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
we've been on the same side of the conference realignment issue before,
so I’ll tell you that I have been repeatedly suprised at the some of the positions people have taken here at this site. I mean, you REALLY have to have it out for the ACC to suggest that FSU may be better off in the Big 12 (with Texas, mind you), than staying in the ACC and trying to fix whatever problems may exist here (many of them probably overblown). I mean, I know Syrcause may not be Auburn when it comes to football these days, but Ames, Iowa? Manhattan, KS? Seriously.
My personal opinion is that a lot of it is just knee-jerk reactions to bad refereeing that may or may not have occured in the past. Although this is not to discount the cultural issues involved: I think it does rankle much of the Florida State fanbase, which is obviously an overwhelmingly football-only group, that we are in what is perceived to be a basketball conference. The conference is not given slack that might be given another conference. Me? If the ACC ends up with dollars-per-institution t.v. contracts at or similar to the other power conferences, I could care less what the perception is.
As an aside, I’ll also mention that for several years I owned a debt collections business, and through things like mentoring, I learned a heck of a lot about how good businesses operate, and with regards to this discussion, how good businesses are ALWAYS thinking not only about expansion, but defensive expansion, collections agencies I knew that were simultaneously in discussions with larger agencies about being bought out, while continuing to expand their own portfolio. I see a lot of that in what the ACC is doing.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
The Big 12 will always be a weak conference
There is just to many nobodies in the conference that bring nothing to the table. Iowa St, K State, Okie St, and TT. Even KU one of their top brands only has value because of basketball.
Texas gave in on Bebe because it cost them nothing. Everything Texas gives in is because it cost them nothing. Texas knew Bebe was dead man walking and not up for the job so they had no problem pretending it was a tough decision but they will do what is good for the league. Texas gave in to most of the demands about the LHN not because they wanted to but because they knew the NCAA was going to rule against them anyways. They let OU save face and pretend to win because they knew OU only exit plan was the SEC and they knew OU wants nothing at all to do with the SEC.
Texas gets an offer they like from some place else they are gone (in 6 years). For all the trash talk about the ACC the majority of the schools would still be taken by another conference if it came down to it while the majority of schools in the Big 12 will be left in the dust if it comes down to it or are riding coat tails of their big brother.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
WVU is giving TAM a run for their money in ridiculous rumors
If it was possible to give less than a 0 percent chance of something happening this would be the occasion.
ND alumni live in Chicago and the Northeast mostly so they are going to join a conference that is no where close to these areas? ND is a national urban brand yet they are going to play in morgantown, stillwater and Manhatten KANSAS year in year out? They have any kind of history or cultural ties with 1 school in the Big 12 and that is Texas and that is like 2 weeks old. While on the other hand they have a very long history with like half the Big 10 and a quarter of the ACC. If they wanted to make money they would join the Big 10 and call it a day while making 30 plus million a year in shared revenue much more than anyone else. If they wanted to keep the alumni crying to a minimum they would join the ACC.
Clemson from all even semi insider reports over the last 2 years have a president and the academic side that is more than happy with the ACC. The only people that mentioned Clemson at all moving have been fans and nobody at all that has anything at all like insider infromation or knows what they are talking about. All the rumours about the ACC move to add Pitt and Cuse to make certain schools happy had Clemson as a player. Now all of a sudden they are going to make a move? What has changed in the last 6 months?
Reading between the lines with FSU they wanted nothing to do with the SEC. Again reading between the lines the SEC wanted FSU. There is no way the SEC would have put up with the Mizzou leaks, the Mizzou will they or won’t they for Mizzou. They put up with it because their only other choice was WVU. But, now FSU wants to make a move to the Big 12? This is coming from someone that was probably the first person to come up with the idea of FSU to the Big 12 (more FSU should stick with Texas). Lets see FSU had a chance to go to the SEC (if a move to the Big 12 happens it will leak about the SEC) but turned it down and was a key part of making moves for the ACC all to go to the Big 12 6 months later. It just does not make any sense at all.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
Somewhat off topic (but still related to conference realignment)
Why hasn’t Louisville drawn more attention than they have? They seem to be a program that could explode with big conference money. Hell, their basketball team already pulls in more money than most football programs.
Academics and location
Their academics make them a non starter for the Big 10 and ACC right off the bat. Even the SEC really does not want their academics if their treatment of WVU is any guide. The school truly is a commuter school that has a general student body grad rate of less than 50 percent.
The location makes them a problem because the SEC is not going to double dip into KY.
That basically leaves only the Big 12 that would take them. They where in the running and the OU choice for 10 over WVU but the networks told them WVU will get them more money. In this context you are comparing 2 schools that are at best break even if not down right taker programs so more money here means will not cost you as much money to expand.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
Oh ok, makes a lot more sense now
I didn’t realize that they were that poor academically
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