'Noles News 01.09.12
by Bud Elliott on Jan 9, 2012 11:07 AM EST
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Welcome back to another edition of 'Noles News. Today's batch is mostly about catching up on the happenings of FSU's opponents, as most of the 'Noles news has been previously reported by us. I also want to remind you to use the recruiting discussion threads. They've been rocking lately.
No front-runner for 2012 ACC race -- yet - ACC Blog - ESPN
I disagree with this, because I think FSU was the best team in the ACC this year. And FSU loses the least important pieces of any top team. Granted, the article is four days old.
NFL luring ACC's top talent - ACC Blog - ESPN
Lots of guys leaving early, but not from FSU. Interesting. I'll have a piece on this later this month.
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Friday mailblog - ACC Blog - ESPN
HD owns idiot VT fan who says FSU's defense sucks because VT scored 40 on them in 2010. Idiot also says Clemson has way more talent than FSU. Basically, full of fail.
Chris in Arlington, Va., by way of Blacksburg writes: Heather, Why do you keep talking of FSU's D? As if it is the measuring stick of great D's? After FSu lost to VT in the ACC champ game in 2010, and 40 dropped on the beloved D, i have no idea why they got so much hype. The same goes for next yr. Yes they have talent, but why would things be different? That talent obviously hasn't gelled? Clemson and VT will have much better D's in my opinion.. Jesus, VT had three starters injured and held Michigan to 189 yards all game. Next yr, they will be even better.... Its not just consistency with VT its player development (play calling is our downfall) and Clemson has WAY more talent than FSU. Why does ESPN love FSU soo much?
2011 Defensive Alignments - Football Study Hall Defensive base alignments for each FBS football team in 2011.
Clemson tight end Dwayne Allen declares for NFL draft | The Post and Courier, Charleston SC - News, Sports, Entertainment
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Would You Rather Be Clemson'd Or Not? And The Big Finish - BC Interruption
If it meant getting throttled in your program's first BCS bowl game, would you want to see your program win the conference championship?
Post Orange Bowl Sunday Thoughts - Shakin The Southland Shakin wonders what happened to Steele's defense this year, and stresses that Tajh Boyd is not improving.
Jonathan Bullard Commits To Florida Gators - SBNation.com Jonathan Bullard, one of the top defensive ends in the country, has committed to the Florida Gators.
Chomping At Bits: Could Florida Gators Land No. 1 Recruiting Class? - Alligator Army
It's possible given all the room UF has.
Weekend Recruiting Roundup: Canes Add Four More Commitments - The 7th Floor
7th Floor takes a look at the four new commitments Miami landed this weekend. Two of these guys are definitely good (McCord and Bush), while the other two might be good). Depending on the recruiting service, Miami is still bringing in between 61% and 78% of Miami's recruits are rated three-stars or less. That's a great recipe to stay bowl eligible in 2014 or 2015 when the NCAA sanctions are lifted. It's not a way to compete with FSU or UF in state.
Luke Kuechly Declares For NFL Draft - BC Interruption
Buh bye
Frank Spaziani Names Jim Bollman Offensive Line Coach/Running Game Coordinator - BC Interruption
Frank Spaziani has named former Ohio State offensive line and offensive coordinator Jim Bollman to the Boston College football staff to serve as offensive line coach / running game coordinator.
Maryland's Continuing Search for a Defensive Coordinator - Testudo Times
Updating Maryland's turtle-paced defensive coordinator action. Will Todd Bradford be fired? Is anyone in line to replace him?
Penn State fans should not be angry over Bill O'Brien hiring - Andy Staples - SI.com
Penn State is going to be down for a long while. Ohio State and even Pitt will dominate the Pennsylvania recruiting trail.
Why LSU should be national champs even if they lose...
Over at the SB Nation mothership, The Historical takes a look at this matchup which followed a six-year break in the series between the two storied programs.
The game prior, in 1958, was notable as the first for Paul W. Bryant as head coach of Alabama and the debut of LSU's famed "Chinese Bandits" defense. The Historical examined this game last November.
Interestingly, the 1958 contest was held at Mobile's Ladd Stadium, marking the last time the teams met at a neutral site prior to tonight's BCS National Championship Game.
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Thanks for reminding me why I left the ESPN boards for good.
FSU fan: FSU has a much better D then Clemson, VTech has a good D but not as good as FSU’s.
VT fan: Oh yeah!? The same FSU defense that lost to Virginia that we shut out on the road!?
That place is pathetic.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Agreed. The only good it has ever done it direct me here.
I forget who it was, but someone mentioned TN on the ESPN boards a little over 3 years ago, and I’ve been here ever since.
Did he write this before the Orange Bowl?
Clemson and VT will have much better D’s in my opinion..
70 points (I’m sorry, 63 points). Stoops’ boys aren’t giving up that many points to no one.
Gripper
Tommyhawk Nation: Bobby Bowden is the all-time ACC leader in conference titles, conference wins, total wins, winning percentage, bowl appearances & wins and owns the longest conference winning streak.
Even if he did he's still off.
Like I said further down, not even our ’09 D would allow those numbers.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
A few thoughts from today
VT is going to be in full rebuilding mode on offense next season. I want them early in the year. No way they could do much against our returning defense, if the defense executes.
Dyer is transferring, I don’t know what is going on at Auburn but that place is turning from a dumpster fire to a full building fire.
Penn State fans look like a cult that just lost their leader, ignoring the tragic situation that occurred to worship Joe Pa is shocking to watch.
If we don't win the ACC in 2012
God help us…
I hate you Off-season
Not is the ACC refs have anything to say about it.
SMH
by zewhitedevil on Jan 9, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A great team will overcome bad calls
No matter how many go against them. They should be able to shrug it off and keep making enough plays to keep themselves in the game, and then make a play or two to win the game. I’m sick of hearing about Refs. They’re terrible. Yes. But, elite teams win regardless of circumstance(s). They suck it up, drive on, and put more points on the scoreboard than the opponent.
I hate you Off-season
Not against a team of similar ability…
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Who would we play in the ACC that has similar ability?
VT loses alot. Clemson loses alot. I’m not sure there’s a team in the ACC with the talent and ability we will field going into 2012.
I hate you Off-season
Clemson certainly did this year and will be close next year.
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Don't they lose like 60% snaps on O and 60% on defense
Those numbers might not be totally accurate.
I hate you Off-season
Yeah, I believe so. I just think people overestimate the talent differential between teams
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Not on defense.
Not even our ‘09 D gave up 70, that’s just disturbing. However, I’d take Ellington over any of our RB’s, and Sammy Watkins over any of our WR’s, DeAndre Hopkins is a beast too. I’m just so glad they lose Dwayne Allen, that helps us a lot.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
I wouldn't take Watkins over Greene.
Maybe right now Watkins is “better”. I think Greene is more polished. Without a doubt, much better route runner. Better all around receiver.
I hate you Off-season
Bud who ya got?
Long term.
I hate you Off-season
Watkins all day
I’m not Bud, but I’m fairly confident this is his answer.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 9, 2012 12:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Really, it should just be "Why I hate obnoxious Bama fans and there lame ass 'GOT 12?' t-shirts.
Am I the meanest? Am I the prettiest? Am I the baddest mofo low down around this town? Well who am I? Who am I?
I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Jan 9, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well, after the game last night
I suppose there goes the argument about maintaining the primacy of the regular season in college football… AP also ranked Bama #1.
This coming up weekend will be huge for FSU recruiting.
Hopefully we land one of the JUCO olinemen this weekend. Also, we should find out if XR27 is staying or going
Has there been no word on his injury?
I hate you Off-season
My 2 Biggest questions for the D next year
1. Does Telvin move back to OLB to replace Nigel? Its obvious our top 3 LB’s is CJ, Telvin and Vince.
2. Does Carlos take over the other safety spot bc Brooks is will be playing so much Nickle?
1) I’d guess so. I haven’t seen orheard anything about Jeff Luc being good enough to replace any of those three.
2) Right now I think Brooks is a better safety, but LOS is a freak athlete who we NEED to get on the field. Maybe we have LJ and Brooks as starting safeties and in nickel situations we move brooks down and put Karlos at safety. That’s a way to garuntee our best 5 DB’s get on the field (assuming XR27 comes back).
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Insane though of the moment
Move Moody to Will. Reason – would love to see Moody lay the wood as many times per game as Bradham made tackles. Also don’t need Moody to play safety anymore with upcoming talent and we’re short on help at LB. Possibly more realistic scenario is to move Telvin to WLB, have Luc backup Vince, and play Moody as 2nd string behind Telvin at the Will.
No...
Moody wont see serious reps. Our backers are better then he is and our safeties are too. Love the effort, love the hitstick, don’t love the getting caught out and poor angles.
If he moved to LB, he would be in the 2-deep
Jones, Williams, and Telvin are the top three.
The what do you have? Terrell, Terrance, Luc, Moody, Eligwe. With Moody’s experience, he’d be listed in the 2-deep over some of the younger guys who haven’t seen any significant snaps on D – IMO. Think about what our LBs look like if we have just 1 or 2 injuries.
What experience
With Moody’s experience,He has no LB experience in Stoops system. He would have to read keys and worry about angles to a much larger degree.
Please dont confuse his hit stick ability with his actual talent level. Kid could start for a lot of defenses just not the one he is currently on. We return 6 scholarship LB’s who have all had more time and experience playing LB in stoops system then moody and look to be bringing in the best LB in the recruiting class.
Also furthermore we play a ton of nickel. So when we line up as a 4-2-5 Moody would continue to be useless because he wouldn’t be one of the 5 best DB’s nor would I want him over Jones or Telvin.
He doesn't have to start to contribute
I think I get what you’re saying but I also think that sometimes people get too caught up in “who’s starting?” Could he play 15 to 20 quality snaps for us there? I think he could.
I would also suggest to not underestimate the value of being physical. For all of the stats out there like “the team that doesn’t make mistakes will win” the one that I rarely see mentioned is, “the team that is the most physical wins the game” the vast majority of the time. Maybe because there’s no objective standard?
Teams that hit cause fumbles. They cause teams to jump prematurely. They cause bad throws, etc.
Our history is FULL of guys just like Moody, that became very valuable contributors, even if they didn’t play 75 snaps on Saturdays.
If Moody has the talent, as you say, to start for a lot of defenses, then I suspect he has the ability to make really good contributions on this one.
Finally, playing what we call free safety, while not the optimum training to play Will would still be very good experience if he were to play Will in a dime type package or when resting either Jones and/or Smith.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
Maybe...
I just dont see it. I think that he would earn a position for being a ferocious hitter, but not by being a guy you can depend on to play assignment football. Given him more assignments at LB IMO would be a negative. For the one nasty hit a game he could give up 2-3 explosive plays. I’d take a slightly less bit hitter in Mike Harris over Moody ever time because while Mike isn’t a decleater (he can and did versus UM) he plays the right angle and wraps up.
I could be completely wrong, it wouldn’t be the first and sure wont be the last.
The advantage to having Moody at LB is that you have Joyner and Brooks as a safety net if he misses an assignment.
If he misses an assignment at DB, the only thing behind him is the end zone.
Experience
Reports had Moody taking practice snaps at LB this past season and I believe he played LB in HS. I also believe the safeties in Stoops’ system should know the responsibilities of the LBs. If you ask me whether I’d rather have the Hitstick at LB or Terrell, I’m going to say “Hitstick”. If you change Moody’s coverage responsibilities from safety to Will, I think you’d see him do a bit better. I’ll let HUD coach up the angles and keys. It may be easier to teach him something new which allows him to hit more than it is to retrain the bad habits he learned under the old system, have him chasing DBs, and having him blow coverage assignments because of his aggressiveness and desire to lay the wood. Whether he would surpass Terrence or the true freshman on the depth chart depends upon what the staff does with him in Spring ball. Eligwe will not be here for Spring ball. We can all agree that C.Jones is a beast, but he was not a beast during his true freshman season. I think Moody would see more snaps at LB than he would at DB. The change might give him some new spark. I’ll leave the position changes up to the coaches, but don’t really see a cure for lack of depth at LB esp. if we have 1-2 injuries at LB and no changes are made.
What you say I can't vehamently disagree
But if were moving players to LB…Count me in the JWJ>LB bandwagon before I’d ever take Moody. Why would you take Moody over Terrell. Nigel isn’t a slouch. And the only LB spot open is Will, that would be Moody over Luc. I’ve wouldnt like that at all.
If we have 1-2 guys go down. Well then I’d expect to see a whole lot more of the already semi base nickel defense.
I'd prefer Telvin at Will due to his ability to read and react.
With Bradham in the lineup Telvin was not going to see as many snaps at Will as he did at Mike, which is why I think he was there for the time being. I’d like to see Telvin on the field more, which is why I’d move him over to Will now that Bradham is gone. I’d also move Luc to Mike because he would see more snaps backing up Vince than he would backing up Telvin.
People were down on Bradham taking bad angles until about half way through the season, yet he led the team in tackles, what three years in a row?
I don’t think we have the RB depth to move JWJ but we do have the DB depth to move Moody. Freeman, Pender, Beverly (if the knee holds up), Thompson (if the back holds up), and what else do you have? 1-2 injuries there and we have nothing left.
If you don’t move Moody, we have a two deep for Spring ball, with no competition for 2nd string, assuming everyone stays healthy. I haven’t seen anything from Nigel and will be content if Jones plays every down, possibly catching breathers in Nickel packages.
Our Nickel package works well, but it’s not necessarily a great run-stop defense. I think Moody moving would make sense, but I’ll leave it up to the coaches.
Don’t understand why people are so down on Moody moving to LB. The guy can read and recognize very well and his deficiencies at safety would be non existent at LB. You have to bet that he will come out and work very hard in the spring being a 5th year senior. If he earns it in the spring I have no issue with him being in the mix at LB. Telvin is not an every down LB anyways.
Poor angles dont change without a ton of reps
and he struggled at reading keys. Those are critical to a LB and his coverage wasn’t exactly stellar either.
A Few Things
Aa) Validation is good. I was right to stop reading HD’s blogs.
Ab) Really good doritos commercial
Ac) Damn you for making me read one of HD’s comments. Even if it was mildly amusing for once.
2) Anything that hurts Clemson football makes my heart smile. Bye Bye Allen! :)
D) UF’s class is scary good. If Muschamp surrounds himself with some coordinator talent, lookout. They will be tough in a year or two. Still think we get them next year at Doak.
Megan Fox) Miami – LOL.
Ewww) Penn State
Roll Tide) Bama 24 LSU 13
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
UF’s class is scary good. If Muschamp surrounds himself with some coordinator talent, lookout. They will be tough in a year or two. Still think we get them next year at Doak.
The coordinator thing is what we are most worried about. The talent will more than likely always be there (pretty much expected), but we need some coaching consistency damn it!
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If he doesn't find the right coaches soon, think Will's days are numbered.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
If it meant getting throttled in your program's first BCS bowl game, would you want to see your program win the conference championship?
Hell yes I would.
Florida State
NOW
State Champions
9-4
5-3 ACC
That loss might have really hurt Clemson’s image
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Yeah but after 20 years without a title
I bet most Clemson fans would take it too
Florida State
NOW
State Champions
9-4
5-3 ACC
by SeminoleMike on Jan 9, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
You should go ask the Clemson fans
on Shakin’ the Southland if they’re pleased with it.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Atleast a clemson fan hasn't made a youtube video of himself drinking piss
because he’s so depressed about the football program like that Miami fan. Lol. Idiot.
I hate you Off-season
Ha Ha
I wouldn’t expect them to be “pleased”
But given the choice between Conference Champions or not…
Florida State
NOW
State Champions
9-4
5-3 ACC
by SeminoleMike on Jan 9, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't do it.
Clemson sucked so bad in the Orange Bowl people were bashing the entire conference. It was beyond pethetic, there is no word that explains how bad Clemson looked. People will laugh at them for years because of that. All for being named chamion of a mediocre at best conference? I’ll pass.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
I LOVED
How he said something to the effect of: “After this game. I want our Defense to be remembered”
Well,
he got his wish.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 9, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Stupid? No, prescience...
because people are talking about Clemson’s defense after that effort.
I feel more like I do now, than I did before
gatornation - ungracious in victory, arrogant in defeat
by HaveNoleOption on Jan 9, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Sad State of Affairs
How much does it suck that the year Clemson finally breaks through and wins the ACC, they still lose to a depleted in state rival to the end the season for the tird year in a row I beleive, and then get a beatdown of monumental proportions from the Big East Champ in the Bowl Game.
Perception wise this season went from “Dabo is God” to a “Maybe Dabo just got lucky to get Watkins.”
clemson did make itself & the ACC look bad but given that the ACC has a tie in w the BE, the Orange Bowl is a lose-lose for the ACC, IMO.
Championship!
by TLHWG on Jan 10, 2012 7:17 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
remember, don't be too frank with them....
they get offended VERY easily….don’t get the ban like i did!
"Hey Shakin the Southland, Why didn't you storm the field after the Orange Bowl like you do after every game?" ----------BANNED!!!! hahaha
nevermind, i see what you did there...
you tricky little man
"Hey Shakin the Southland, Why didn't you storm the field after the Orange Bowl like you do after every game?" ----------BANNED!!!! hahaha
Not a chance.
I could take a loss but losing by 37? Giving up 70? I don’t want any of that.
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by Jamil Dawson on Jan 9, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Screw that.
FSU would be the laughing stock of CFB if we got beat like Clemson did, conference champ or not.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Sounds like Ralph Friedgen could be headed to Penn St as OC
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 9, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions
Hide yo donuts!
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Just when the donuts thought they were safe to come out of hiding because Weis is off to Kansas, they have to hide again?!?!
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Their on-campus ice cream store has never been more excited...
… or scared.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jan 9, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Bud, who do you think will start of the OL next year?
I believe the answer to this question and how well they do will decide if we are a top 5 team next year.
Has the Krug Expierment come to an end?
I hate you Off-season
A lot of love for Matias and Jackson.
And I think Hart is a starting OT until he leaves. THink Krug will just be depth for next season.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
FIFY
And I think Hart is a starting OT until he cannot play anymore after a second surgery fails to repair damage from 4 years of being used up in the trenches
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by STAquinasNole on Jan 9, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hudson make it 4 years.
Let’s hope Hart does the same.
I hate you Off-season
It was never presented as an "experiment".
He was supposed to be the answer, elite butt and all.
by PeachTreeNole on Jan 9, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Ass in most cases is acceptable.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Ass ass ass ass ass ass ass ass ass ass ass ass ass ass.....
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Depends on who we close with
Would love, love, love to see Latu in the rotation after the ink dries.
With the freshmen class we pulled in last year, JUCO bandaids on the OL are just what the doctor ordered this cycle.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
any chance that if Glauser or Latu impress that Hart would be redshirted because he is so young? I know he has the raw talent but it seemed like he made a fair number of mental mistakes and maybe could use an extra year to get stronger/develop mentally?
I'd love to see him
take a redshirt and get an extra year of development but thats hard to see happening
Matias BETTER start.
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That is why I gave up on those boards a long time ago…saying things like “stars matter on the whole” gets responses like “(insert players name) didn’t work out and he was a 5 star” or “Ed reid was a 2 star recruit”…god forbid if people utalize advanced stats or strength of schedule adjusted measures for judging offenses and defenses
That is why TN is the best boards for engaged, logical thinkers to have friendly discussions about football
Quick question…how many players on Miami’s recruit list are FSU or UF worthy…I count around 8…including players that we would not have taken because of previously filling needs (J Hamilton and Duke Johnson come to mind)
TN is also the best board because
We know that the SCOREBOARD is all that matters and with a little more research under his belt, Bob Elliott will have a fantastic site.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Jan 9, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bob Elliott with his rich banker roots.
You are more than the choices that you've made, You are more than the sum of your past mistakes, you are more than the problems you create, you are more, You've been remade - Tenth Avenue North
*has instead of is (really bad grammer
by lovemynoles09 on Jan 9, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Assuming FSU had room? I’d say 10
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The thing about stars
At least for me, I trust my own two eyeballs. I’m not sure how much I trust the guys that hand out the stars. Arrogant, I’m sure, that way, I’m sure.
There are “can’t miss” guys out there, no doubt. And the thing about them is, you don’t have to be an expert to pick them out, after all, “they can’t miss.”
But there seems to be this thought that all 3 stars are equal. And it’s just not so, even though their ratings might seem to indicate that they are.
I agree that you want the highest rated class/players you can get. But at some point, I think you have to make your own judgments about players.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
Dwayne Allen
Hope he can afford the pay cut.
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by Marmaduke1 on Jan 9, 2012 1:47 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I see what you did there
Although there’s a part of me that wants to correct it.
Why is it every time I get 3 stars of police notoriety on GTA IV, Al Golden calls me asking for my commitment?
by Sir Lawrence J on Jan 9, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Why is Penn State so upset about O'Brien?
I don’t like how Arrington, Blackledge, other former players, ESPN analysts, boosters, etc are all knocking him b/c he is not a “Penn State guy”. Why is that a pre-req? Who says he can’t be successful just because he isn’t an alum? It sounds ignorant and arrogant to me. This certainly isnt the time for their fanbase, alumnus, et al to be acting high and mighty.
They wanted a guy who would have Pride in the school
but unfortunately with JoePa there for almost my parents entire lives its hard to get something who would have that level of pride for Penn State and not have close connections to Joe Pa.
Thats fine - But how about cutting ties with Paterno and moving forward
And if any coach doesn’t have pride in the school that employs him (or her), he should be fired or not hired in the first place. Period.
I meant
that he had Pride in Penn State before the hire. Sort of like Michigan’s hiring of Hoke. Hoke is a Wolverine at heart and just got stronger as the coach. The issue lies with the fact anyone with that level of pride before becoming the coach would be an alumni and thus related to PSU.
Ok so Hoke is a nice story; I get it.
But what about other school’s coaches?
Is Les Miles not prideful of LSU?
Is Saban not prideful of Bama?
Is Chip Kelly not prideful of Oregon?
I just don’t understand why a school would want to cut itself off from the outside world. Why not expand your search base to find the best coach possible (not saying O’Brien is or isn’t), not just who the best coach who is also an alum and available is?
You listed
former players, and other Penn State alum upset that he isn’t a Penn St guy. I gave you their reasons. I think its a bad hire simply because I dont think he’s that great of a coach. I agree with you on this part
I just don’t understand why a school would want to cut itself off from the outside world. Why not expand your search base to find the best coach possible (not saying O’Brien is or isn’t), not just who the best coach who is also an alum and available is?I think you go hire the best guy you can without limitations. Unfortunately for Penn State..they might have.
Gotcha.
Yeah, best guy you can get w/o limitations seems like a no brainer to me.
I’m not sure if he is the best or not and he is certainly getting dealt a terrible hand. But regardless, I don’t like the attitude that is coming out of State College on this whole matter.
What is the real story with Dyer @ Auburn?
So he broke some rules? When has that mattered on the Plains?
FSU back-2-back state champs!! 52-14
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