Ingram Smith and Bud Elliott are back for their weekly (in season) talk of where the FSU football program stands.

The loss on Saturday was an unexpected turn in a season in which FSU was looking to solidify themselves among the national elite. While Ingram and I do spend some time talking about the specifics of that game, this podcast is much more of a macro conversation about where the program is headed and how Jimbo Fisher is doing in year three.

While the tone of the podcast would likely never have been positive or pleasant, I think it is safe to say that the train wreck of a press conference on Monday helped to take the conversation on Tuesday night to a much different place.

Ingram and I spent nearly two hours talking about the state of FSU football, and as such this is a long podcast, we have split the podcast up into two different sections.

Please let us know your thoughts and as always you can also find the podcast on itunes later this afternoon - search tomahawk nation.

We hope you enjoy the podcast.

Hour 1 (click to listen | right click --> save as to download)

Hour 2 (click to listen | right click --> save as to download)