Dante Fowler Jr. Saga is over
The type of recruitment that makes you hate following recruiting altogether.
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I know kids have the right to change their mind...
but there sure seems to be shenanigans with the way Fowler played this one. If he was undecided, let the coaches know, but he kept reassuring everyone that he was FSU all the way.
What really sucks is many here believe Williams would have been open to FSU had he not believe he was a back up plan.
I don’t wish Fowler to get injured, but I wouldn’t be upset if his career sucks… karma can be a bitch.
Gripper
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Karma is blind
Karmic retribution will come when someone breaks his/her word with him. There’s a culture of people not being held to their word (a culture which he contributed to) and there’s a culture of people being held to their word – I don’t know that either is "right or “wrong” (that’s relative). What’s important for us as FSU fans is to stop that particular karmic cycle within ourselves by making sure that we are honest with people when we need to be. (I don’t know what DF owes us fans anything but I can understand if the coaches are upset because of the relationship they built-up with him. I, however, will not be offended for the coaches). And it’s also important for us to stop the karmic cycles of ill will towards the kid because we have the ability to choose to do so, and there’s no good sense in perpetuating malice.
I agree with everything you said. I just thought I’d offer a brief lesson in karma.
Now I’ll add, without any bitterness: f ‘em. I’ll be alright.
by Geoff33rpm on Feb 1, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wait, so who do we blame?
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
Thanks for the lesson Guru Geoff...
I don’t mess with karma hence the way I worded my statements with “wouldn’t be” and “can be”.
Gripper
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Consider my response more of a soapbox moment
because people don’t understand the concept of karma and I was addressing the people who will hate the kid for his decision. You were reasonable but the wording is more in line with the idea that karma is a vindictive force. Again, consider that a clarfication, soapbox moment.
Glad i read the whole thing..
Went from completely ass-spelunking your comment to loling and greening you
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Dante Fowler: "I always hated Florida, and I always told myself I would never go to Florida and now I’m about to be playing for them."
Think he just got scared of the depth FSU has. He saw the scrubs that UF was bringing in this year at the position and made a decision. Gotta think its been playing in his mind for a long time though.
Guy on a Buffalo
When did he make that comment? LOL Just wow.
We are signing a great class, he is a great talent tho and best of luck to him.
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
I agree 100%
Fowler chose UF because he was scared of competition, and Tracy Howard chose UM to be the big fish in a small pond. Playing time swung both
by MarchantWarchant on Feb 1, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Fowler has to compete with Ronald Powell for starters playing time at the BUCK. Other than that, he isn’t starting.
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Yeah, Powell looked dominant for the first 3/4 of the season at the Buck...wait...
Dude came on a bit toward the end of the season, but by and large has not been the impact player that was expected. I see Fowler getting more PT in his first two years in G-ville than he would have in Tally.
Disagree?
Powell had a nice season overall. I’m in the process of doing a season recaps of positions and the BUCK is coming up on Friday, so all I’ve done is watch video after video, after video. But it seems like he was either making an impact or not at all. But he starting figuring things out really well at the end. After the coaches called him out of course.
But yeah, I think Fowler will get some PT mostly because we need depth everywhere. Especially those positions at the lines or those near the lines (LB and TE). So there is spaces, but Powell I believe, has cemented himself as the starter at BUCK.
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was thinking the same thing
It seems to me this kid is afraid of competition to me this shows that he knew he wasn’t as good as MEJ or chris casher and saw that hamilton wasn’t going to UF and saw an opening
by TheRenegade29 on Feb 1, 2012 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not as mad as i thought i was going to be..
More PT for MEJ and Casher. He did go about this the wrong way though. Wish him luck because the student section is going to give him hell next year in Doak.
And his "Wal-Mart" line of Gator gear he was stylllllllin on ESPNU
by lawdy15 on Feb 1, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Is there any other kind?
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by Jamil Dawson on Feb 2, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'll say what I said a couple of months/weeks ago:
Why should we take a flier on a guy character issues, who plays games and creates drama when he could use that spot that to get someone who really wants to be here and will work his butt off to prove it.
I can’t knock him though for doing what is best for him but he is worthy of scorn for the way he handled the entire situation. Maybe he can room with Elam next year and they can “play games”and create drama with one another.
On the brightside, we have a spot for another big time stud edge rusher and we will be better able to stagger our depth at DE.
The only thing that irks me about this is that I think it cost us Leonard Williams
A lot of people saw this coming, should have brought on Williams if it was a real possibility earlier.
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We only took two 5 star DEs this cycle
by Meehl on Feb 1, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
On ESPN, Butch Davis said when a kid asks about the depth cart, that is a major red flag
He said the best players he had didn’t care about the depth chart and actually saw good players on their team as a challenge to step up.
I think we are okay with the guys we got. Good luck in Hogtown Dante.
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
Hogtown will be Dante's Inferno....
IMO it is a blessing that we didn’t land this kid. After all of the questionable press he got indicating character issues, we are probably better off without his presence in our team’s locker room. Still, hate to wish a kid anything but success; so good luck to him.
We should be very happy with what we have coming in. That’ll be my focus, anyway…..
I agree, I think we landed some quality character guys
Look at Goldman and Winston’s interviews yesterday and they were both gracious and determined. Good kids.
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
If Dante Fowler Jr.
is the biggest thing we have to complain about this year then we should have a great year. Everyday is a good day to be NOLE but today it seems to be a little better.
I've been consistent on this kid- meh, either way.
positives and negatives.
"Defensive lineman and its depth separates southern football from rest of the country".
Physically, a great athlete with tons of potential, but seems very immature.
If he matures, will be a great one…but kids like this could also flake on your and never pan out.
I’d say out of Casher, Edwards, and Dante…the one with the highest chance of being a bust (outside of fluke injury) is Dante.
so did Fowler wuss out due to Edwards and Casher...
…or having to go against Glauser, Watson, Hart etc…
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Feb 1, 2012 5:55 PM EST reply actions
I highly doubt he's concerned about practicing against our OL.
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by Scalpemall on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL that get's a rec.
"Defensive lineman and its depth separates southern football from rest of the country".
by PeachTreeNole on Feb 2, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions
Not one is surprised. He should have just had the balls to decommit early on
And not play games. He is scared competition. He has talent. But hes now the enemy. And when we are whooping the Gate’s. I hope we run right through him. MEJ and Casher will happily point up at the scoreboard and when they are entering the NFL in a few years and Fowler is hoping to make that 5th round. He can think that he would have been better if he was pushed harder and really wanted it. Don’t hope for injury. Don’t care about his success. But I hope he has a long 4 years losing to us each year and watching our defense dominate the country.
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was my immediate response to the text. I was not happy with his “confirmation” earlier in week. Dantes Inferno. Good for him. Having another gator to hate is necessary i.
by Littoral on Feb 1, 2012 6:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The "All Flip" team...
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
just sayin weather this dude was a nole or a gator
I would not have liked this douche
by TheRenegade29 on Feb 1, 2012 6:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The timing and handling of this was what made it egregious, but the actual flip didn't surprise anyone.
Don’t forget, this kid had disrespected high school coaches, disrespected and angered his father, disrespect and lied to both sets of coaches.
That’s a pretty staggering pattern of disrespecting and lying to figures of authority.
I am wondering if UF knew they weren't going to get Leonard Williams
and made a really strong push with Fowler. If so, it was a smart move by them. On that note, I would rather go up against Fowler for the next 3-4 years than Williams.
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
I was wondering
if UF’s coaching staff specifically told Fowler to wait until NSD if he was going to flip. That way it costs us two DEs instead of one. I doubt they would have asked him to do all the other stuff, but just telling him to maintain the status quo until the last minute seems plausible.
It is what it is
He didn’t handle it well. May or may not have cost us Williams. Being bitter and spiteful will do us nothing.
anyone have a vid link to Fowlers actual switch?
Id like to see his face when he did it. I read somewhere here that he looked uncomfortable.
"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum
Fowler? I'm fine w him going to Florida. But Willams to USC?!?!?
Look like Lane Kiffin is back at his old way$$$$
by CCDFSU07 on Feb 3, 2012 11:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
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