Florida State Football Recruiting Class 2012: No Scrubs
Florida State football recruiting turned in a spectacular effort on National Signing Day. Thanks to Jimbo Fisher and an amazing recruiting staff of coaches, FSU's 2012 recruiting class is one of the best in the entire country, despite only taking 19 players. How did the Seminoles rank so highly despite a lack of scholarships? By not sacrificing on quality even a little bit. the 'Noles targeted the best of the best and won the battles that come with the territory. This class is loaded to the gills with studs, and in all the right places.
Recruiting is all about needs. And we break down the needs by position. So that's how we'll break this down. Please do click on the commitment stories. They offer much more detail than the small blurbs I've set out in this piece.
Defensive Line
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Mario Edwards, Jr. Eddie Goldman Chris Casher Justin Shanks |
Florida State has a dominant defensive line. But with seven seniors, the 'Noles staff knew that if it was going to keep a good thing going in 2013 and 2014, it would need to bring in a great haul of defensive linemen. Mission accomplished.
Florida State secured commitments from four elite defensive linemen. Mario Edwards Jr. is the #1 defensive end in the country, out of Texas, and the son of former Seminole great Mario Edwards. He has incredible athleticism, and today coach Fisher compared him to Reggie White.
Not only were the 'Noles number one at defensive end, but defensive tackle we well, where Florida State signed the top tackle in America, five-star Eddie Goldman. Goldman is extremely strong, and when he plays hard, he is un-blockable. Florida State defensive tackle coach Odell Haggins will sleep well tonight knowing Goldman is in the fold.
It takes an amazing class of defensive linemen to overshadow a four/five-star commitment like Chris Casher, but it seems he is one of the forgotten players in this class. That would be a mistake. Casher is raw, but at 6'5" and 250 pounds with an incredible wingspan, he has All-America written all over him. Most consider Casher to be one of the best five defensive ends in the country.
Oh, and for good measure, FSU went back into Alabama and took nose guard Justin Shanks, another athletic (for his considerble size of 315 pounds) defensive tackle. Shanks is one of the 12 best defensive tackles in the country.
Four gigantic, elite athletes. Amazing.
Linebacker
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Ukeme "Markuss" Eligwe Reggie Northrup |
The 'Noles return just six linebackers, four of which are upperclassmen. The need at linebacker was real, and the challenge tougher as 2012 was not a good year for linebackers in the state of Florida. Again, the 'Noles answered he call, signing two top prospects.
Four-star Ukeme "Markuss" Eligwe of Georgia is an athletic freak who is still quite raw.
Four-star Reggie Northrup of Jacksonville is a big hitter who plays the game with great intensity. FSU stole him from Miami at the last moment.
Florida State did not reach. Instead, they faced and conquered the challenge of having a need in a year of little in-state talent.
Defensive Back
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Colin Blake PJ Williams Ronald Darby |
The 'Noles needed two defensive backs in this class. They signed three.
Florida State's staff loves four-star P.J. Williams, of Ocala. Some think he can only play safety, but FSU disagrees. He'll start out at corner in Tallahassee. Williams has great length and instincts. In Florida State's zone-heavy scheme, he has a true shot to play cornerback.
The same goes for three-star Colin Blake, of San Antonio, another long defensive back for the Seminoles. Blake was committed to Texas A&M, but a coaching change opened the door for the 'Noles, who beat out Oklahoma and TCU.
And the capper, of course, was five-star Ronald Darby, of Maryland. Darby is the second fastest recruit in the country, with decent size as well. Darby is Again, the 'Noles filled their needs and did so with elite talent.
Quarterback
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Jameis Winston Sean Maguire |
Jimbo Fisher has stated that he wants to take a quarterback in every signing class. This year, he took two.
First, FSU fell in love with New Jersey's Sean Maguire, a three-star with a live arm, decent mobility, and a low profile, thanks to playing in a run-oriented attack.
Then came the gem of the class -- five-star Jameis Winston, the top dual-threat quarterback in the country. Out of Hueytown (Al.), Winston was a tough fight for the Seminoles. He has not signed his paperwork yet, but plans to do so later in the week or over the weekend, after getting the chance to sit down with his family. He reiterated again today that he is "all-Nole." Winston is an incredible athlete with a big arm and a flare for making plays. FSU will have to win out against the baseball draft for him, come summer.
Running Back
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Delmarick "Mario" Pender |
Here, too, Florida State signed one of the best running backs in the country in Mario Pender, of Cape Coral (Fla.). Pender enrolled in January and has amazing athleticism and speed with solid size at 6'0" and 200 pounds. His highlight film (linked in the commitment story) is some of the best you will ever see. And yes, the competition in the film is suspect. Still, his speed is exceptional.
Receiver & Tight End
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Marvin Bracy Christo Kourtzidis |
The 'Noles didn't have much of a need for many receivers in this class, but when the opportunity came along to take perhaps the fastest recruit in American history, the 'Noles pounced, signing four-star Marvin Bracy of Orlando. Bracy will also run track for the 'Noles, and probably for America in the Olympics, too.
With world-class (literally) speed, expect Bracy to return kicks.
Florida State also signed an excellent tight in in Orange (Calif.) High's Christo Kourtzidis. The three-star is a balanced tight end with a lot of potential. Kourtizidis committed early and has an excellent shot to play as a true freshman.
Offensive Line
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Daniel Glauser Menelik Watson |
After signing nine offensive linemen last season, and being slated to return 10 non-freshmen and two red-shirt freshmen, the 'Noles did not have a big need for offensive linemen in this cycle. So they set out to do two things: 1) find players who could make an instant impact in this year, and 2) not reach.
They did both, signing two of the top five junior college offensive linemen in the country in four-star Daniel Glauser of New Mexico, and four-star Menelik Watson, California. At 6'5" and 310 pounds and 6'7" and 320 pounds, both possess the physical maturity to immediately make the two deep. Glauser enrolled in January and will take part in spring practice. More on offensive line recruiting this Friday.
Specialists
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Cason Beatty Roberto Aguayo |
The Seminoles found two excellent specialists in kicker Roberto Aguayo, of Florida, and punter Cason Beatty, of North Carolina. Both rate among the top-five at their positions nationally. Aguayo will delay his enrollment until spring 2013, as Florida State already has superstar kicker Dustin Hopkins on the roster.
Overall
What you don't see are a lot of "ifs." This class isn't something which requires a lot of effort to envision success. Florida State faced stiff competition from major BCS programs for almost every kid in this class, and came out on top. On a per-position player basis (no kickers and punters, as they do not receive four or five-star ratings), Florida State's 2012 recruiting class is without peer.

And I think a hand is due for the amazing work by DA-2, MichaelM, NoleThruAndThru, Nattylite, Fsugrizz, Timscribble, Caine115, and our signing day helper, Salukinole. They made this place a great one-stop-shop for all your recruiting needs. And not just on signing day, but every day.
We'll break down this class a little more in the coming week, but it is important that you stick around, because we'll be jumping right in to the next class. We want you here for the whole year, not just the first Wednesday in February. This stuff is addictive, but free. And thanks to your continued patronage, it will remain so.
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So, does Fowler going to UF mean
Hicks and Newberry remain at DE?
Just my two cents but
I can’t see Hicks making a change at this point in his career, and I really liked Newberry coming out of HS at DE. If he could be a difference maker at LT though, I’d be all for it… seeing how we seem to have a few good DE’s at the moment.
by Widespread Seminole on Feb 1, 2012 7:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Those where the rumors
Just wondering if this changes any of that
Goldman is extremely strong, and when he plays hard, he is un-blockable.
Sounds like what we heard about Tim Jernigan. I’d say that worked out well.
Re: Pender
Still, his seed is exceptional.
Tallahassee females, beware.
by FSUSOM on Feb 1, 2012 7:28 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
Hopefully some of his seeds carry the (y) chromosome.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 2, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
TSG.
Still, his seed is exceptional.
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What a class
Possibly one of the best player for player ever. or close. Every kid is a stud. Every kid could be a contributor. In a down year for Florida to basically have every kid you take a top 5 at the position they play, And 3 #1 players at positions. With a bunch more top 3 is crazy
I think the coup of getting Northrup and Darby were really big. In a light year at LB just Eligwe was good, but to get a 4* kid as a second from UM makes it one less Must have for next year. Should be able to take high twenties next year in a stronger feild I see FSU being a top 3 class again and with showing that we are not taking anything less then contributors. To the point certain 5* kids are scared or competition and leave is amazing.
Now is Jimbo’s third year. 3rd great class. No more excuses. We are deep. Top talent. And next year we should have yet another top class. We know Jimbo and company can recruit. Now this is really our time. This class should see 2 NC games in their career with what is before and likely after them
Simply amazing
GO NOLES
Oh. And UF whiffing on most of there major targets while we get Darby . Goldman, Northrup added to what we had. LOL
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For all the recruiting chart updates! I really enjoy viewing our class versus the competition that way.
by Widespread Seminole on Feb 1, 2012 7:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
great recruiting class
dante fowler makes me sick but it also shows me he is scared of competition and we got the best 2 guys anyway
Why so serious?
What player is going to go to a team with the real possibility of being buried on the depth chart? I don’t like that he chose UF but what you call afraid of competition, I call doing what’s best to showcase his talent. I wish him all the best…..and hope he enjoys watching us whoop that a$$ for 4 years
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Just accidentally deleted a long post
Basically to me the “depth chart” stuff seems disingenuous, we lose 3 seniors after 2012. It’s more about who we were bringing in with him, IMO.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 10:16 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
I’ve been in contact with Dante and he told me he was signing with UFelon BEFORE he told Warchant that he was 100% to the Noles… What a punk. I asked him why and he said, and I quote “Cuz Edwards and Casher are both solid to yall” .. Wow. Talk about being scared of competition. I’m glad we lost him, kid would have put himself before the team, and seems like the type of player that could be cancerous to a team. Diva.
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by SeminoleChopping on Feb 2, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
thanks for the warning
Would’ve eased some pains felt yesterday by your fellow Nole brethren. That’s said, Go Noles!
Legacy starts now!
by Nole954 on Feb 2, 2012 11:18 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I said it multiple times on TN
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by SeminoleChopping on Feb 2, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions

Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Let's try something else....

Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
The 1 on the bottom left (black dress) looks like Jacory Harris....
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thanks. crazy that
some kids let other kids determine which school they want to go to.
Championship!
I think that’s the depth chart he’s referring to (those guys coming in at same time and potentially another in Williams for all he knew)
What's stupid about it is he won't beat out Powell
And Bullard is no slouch either. That’s why you shouldn’t consider such things. Just go out, kick ass and TAKE your spot.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 10:27 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Right evaluate on whether your a good fit, scheme, coaching, academically, socially. Depth should be more at the bottom unless your a specialist or QB.
and FSU rotates their DL so much
so 5* DEs will get their PT. Makes me think depth chart isn’t the real/main reason….
Championship!
Some kids don't want to rotate.
They want ALL the PT.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
So is Edwards
Which makes this essentially “I don’t wanna try and beat out Chris Casher” except Casher was committed to us when Fowler committed.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 11:14 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Fowler also was on record as saying that he liked the idea of competing alongside Casher.
Oh well. Go figure.
"Just accidentally deleted a long post", man I hate when I do that.
As for D.Fowler signing with UF: I was thinking at the time, that his signing with UF meant we were getting L.Williams. I had this thought in my head that we got a commitment from L.Williams, and CJF told D.Fowler about it. My thinking was, he was thinking, if D.F. still came to us, then he was the kind of kid we wanted; and if he didn’t, he would fit in very nicely with those quitters over at UF. Of course my idea was blown out of the watter when L.W. signed with USC. I still think D.F. will fit in good with UF, a team I have seen quit on several occasions. Yes, he will fit in just fine over there.
I feel like a real dope though, because I defended him quite a bit on here after I met him at the U.A.Game.
I don’t believe he changed his mind at the very end, he was playing us all for fools all along. Why would he do this? Well, at best it was to amuse himself; and at worst, it was some kind of Machiavellian Plot to waste our coaches time, and in doing so, any shot we had with L.Williams, but I just can’t give him that much credit. So I will go with, it was all for his own amusement.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 2, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
I guess we're planning on
rotating 5 at every DL position. Just added an hour per game to film review. Thanks, Jimbo.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 1, 2012 7:37 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
haha
Have to split it up. I will prob still have no life. Let me know if ya need help on one or 2 cmall things just to make anything easier in any way
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Time to take it to the 5th dimension
4 defensive ends on the line
Giants call it the Nascar formation
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I think its incredible
that we got all of the players we were questionable with (Blake, Darby, Goldman, Northrupp). Fowler hurts, but we definitely had a great day overall.
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If you said....
We will get Blake, Darby, Northrup, Goldman, but lose Fowler would you take it? Dang right I would every day of the week!
What hurt most about DF
was that I feel like he cost us Leonard Williams too.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
by FTSNole on Feb 1, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I may get some serious flack for this
But it is possible that its the one point off in a 99/100 recruting job by the coaches. If we all got that vibe of Fowler, You know the coaches did. Seems we prob had a really good shot at Williams. But kind of made him feel hes an if we miss on someone. With him being just as good basically, some think better, some dont, but regardless, we should have been going hard for him. And basically tole Fowler we were and take it or leave it. I think the coaches should have assured a spot to Williams with Fowlers games. And we may have landed him. The fact he was considering it after we even talked to him today tells me we could have. I think that is partially the coaches. I am thrilled with this class. Maybe the only error. But who really knows
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I was thinking the same thing.
I personally think Fowler trolled us. Like when he was asked does he want Leonard Williams and DF said “3’s enough.” I think Williams would have gone to FSU if we didn’t treat him like Plan B.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
I don't know about YOU.....but *I* view Plan B as a LIFESAVER!!
if we didn’t treat him like Plan B.
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by DRusso97 on Feb 1, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That whole situation
definitely didn’t make or break this class, but it was frustrating, albeit on a mostly satisfying day.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
This is true, and I completely agree with Caine on how Fowler SHOULD have been handled.
Lesson for the future.
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Feels like we get played at DE every year
Amazing class though.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 1, 2012 9:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
How has no one else seen this joke? Hilarious!
Mobile rec for you
by PaNole on Feb 2, 2012 8:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thank yaaaaaaaa......
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what do you do if someone tells you they’re definitely coming until morning of signing day?
by FSU on Feb 1, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Beat his team the next 4 years in a row.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 1, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 21 recs
I've been accepted by FSU!!!!
woohooooooooo!
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 1, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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"When you go out there and put numbers on the scoreboard, everything changes. We went out there and executed." -- FSU coach Jimbo Fisher
by xfactor159 on Feb 1, 2012 9:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dont trust it when hes wearing a Jersey and is still posting on his facebook the night before of where should he go
At that point and long before you have to get tired of the games. And if there is not another player that you can almost certainlly land that is just as good you take who defiantly wants to be there. Not the attention whore. If there is no one else then you ride it out. But I am just saying. If we as many at TN still didn’t trust him. The coaches had to get a vibe.
Not blaming them. just saying sometimes you have to do whats best. And if that means possibly losing a kid and getting someone basically as good, even though one commited earlier, while the other is just playing game after game after game its old.
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Ask
Matt Elam.
Now that we’ve pounded his arse into the ground the last two seasons, Im sure hes questioned his judgement a few times.
he didnt wait till NSD
and his anointed coach left him also. Worse for him….LOL
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matt elam is completely different story
If meyer had never come back he’d be a nole right now and he was committed to florida way longer than fsu DFJ knew exactly what he was going to do and did it for no other reason than to get attention and that is way worse than matt elam
by TheRenegade29 on Feb 1, 2012 8:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actions > Words
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 1, 2012 9:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Agree on Williams
But is it just me or does anyone else feel happy that we may have avoided an off the field issue? Dante Fowler is a great potential football talent, but we has the ego problem everyone is keen on, but he also performs extremely poor in the class room. There’s a possibility, maybe not a good one, but a possibility he wont ever see the football field in the swamp on Saturdays
I won't say anything about him now I wasn't saying before...
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Right, but I'm noticing a trend towards the old message
“he’s a head case, but I’m glad he’s going to be on my team!”
to the new message
“we’re better off without him”
simply because he signed somewhere else. It’s very transparent. And, since I can’t reply to every poster, I will just reply to you :)
Nothing to do with it
Im not upset at all he didnt sign with us, more importantly… Not bitter. There are kids every year that face this issue, ones we have signed in the past that never set foot on BB field (There has been a lot). My reaction was more geared toward the people that seem betrayed by his decision. He didnt sign here, oh well, but maybe it works out in the long run. Maybe he’ll be great at Florida, again not concerned, its just not the way you want a kid to start. Hope he doesnt waste his talent.
I know i replied to your post
but it was really a reply to many people
I gotcha
And I agree, that was what I intended to convey, guess it didnt come across that way. Regardless I think we signed all american talent at that position and losing Fowler isnt gonna hurt. Would have been nice to reap his potential, but like him, MEJ, Casher, and everyone else… Its just potential. Never know who will really step up at this level. Good luck to him, and better luck to the new Noles!
There a quite a few he thought he was a problem child before he flipped
And don’t give a flip that he flipped. His announcement did not have the dramatic meltdown effect he was apparent hoping it would. Let’s see how much of a team player he is at UF.
"Defensive lineman and its depth separates southern football from rest of the country".
by PeachTreeNole on Feb 2, 2012 7:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought it was funny, that from that point on,
UF struck out on nearly every recruit. I don’t know if he thought others would follow, but there was Fowler, then crickets.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It struck me as someone who hatches this grand scheme
But when it plays out they realize that what they thought was cool was actually quite dishonest and deceitful. He looked timid and scared during that interview.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Because he IS timid and scared (of competition).
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by SeminoleChopping on Feb 2, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, that's magnanimus and all,
but what about those who said Fowler was a problem child before he flipped, and now don’t give a flip that he flipped and that his "dramatic moment’ flopped? Do their opinions not count now, and just because he flipped they are no longer allowed to say they think he would have trouble fitting into a team regardless where he signed?
"Defensive lineman and its depth separates southern football from rest of the country".
by PeachTreeNole on Feb 2, 2012 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
williams was never scared of competition and if he wanted to attend fsu he wouldve regardless of where dnate went
The problem was that we treated leonerd williams like a back up plan and didn’t go after him very hard where as if dante would have just decomitted a month ago we would’ve had a good chance at swaying him
by TheRenegade29 on Feb 1, 2012 10:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is my biggest issue with Fowler.
He played us along telling UF not to take it the wrong way, saying he was coming to FSU, blah, blah, blah. He really handcuffed us and cost us a good shot at a better kid. That’s frustrating. I really hope we crush him every time we see him on the field. And I don’t mean just beating them, I mean I hope one of our guys takes him out with a highlight reel block.
by seminoleballer on Feb 1, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yes Fowler lied to our coaches &
prevented from signing another elite DE (LWilliams), which is the worst possible situation procedurally. But IMO he also realized that Jimbo’s type of program (strong emphasis on family, character, etc) wasnt the best fit for him like it was for the rest of our players: MEJ, Goldman, Casher, Winston, etc. Everything happens for a reason & works itself out for the best. No bitterness, Fowler is where he wants to be & fits best.
Championship!
by TLHWG on Feb 2, 2012 7:32 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i think
this is a making a pretty big leap…
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Feb 2, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so you don't think that Dante decided that UF's program was a better
overall (which includes cultural) fit than FSU’s?
BTW, it’s possible that Dante was sincerely committed to FSU with some reservations until January 31, but then decided at that time (1/31/12) that UF was a better overall fit for him—some kids are sincerely undecided on NSD-eve. This possibility might dispel any (intentional) deception on Fowler’s part.
Championship!
Seems intent was malicious
We look at Dante Fowler as a Signing Day flip. He flipped a month ago but wanted to keep it quiet.
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Who cares.
If youre not with us, youre against us…. lets all just move on
Only Siths deal in absolutes..
Sorry, ive been waiting to use that quote for at least 5 years. /geek out
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
by Scalpemall on Feb 2, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We will do what we must.
Everybody relax, I'm here.
by NOLEmercy3 on Feb 2, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather be a Sith
than debate all day about why a kid didn’t pick us. If there were a slew of highly touted recruits that all wavered, then yes I would be concerned and want to know why. But 1 kid out of however many verbals that did sign with us? He’s 17/18 years old.
Lets focus on the guys we did get (esp. seeing as how great some of them are) and move forward.
I can feel your anger..
Gives you focus. Makes you stronger.
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
Two choices of Star War quotes that start the same and you pick the one from the prequel
Killing me.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 1:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Good...
I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your keyboard and strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey toward the darkside will be complete!
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
The statement itself is an absolute.
I sense a sith in our presence…
Damn nice to know im not the only SW nerd..
You guys should search your feelings on this! Lol. Yeah i have no life..
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
I hear ya...
I sensed much fear in Dante. Fear leads to anger. anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.
by LilburnNole on Feb 2, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well done!
Strange how to us, DFj flipping is so synonymous with Anakin turning to the Darkside. Good stuff…
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
Now all he has to do is flip again
His junior year realizing the error of his ways and striking down the Gator QB before taking off his helmet and lying in Jimbo’s arms.
by LilburnNole on Feb 2, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
copycat
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 9, 2011 10:32 PM PDT
But still well played.
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 2, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
crap..come to think of it i misquoted as well.
Yours is correct.
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
The Art of War probably has some things to say on this
If he decided he was a Gator a month ago, the best way to hurt his greatest enemy (FSU) is to stab us in the back while also keeping us from bringing in a replacement.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 10:22 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
At least he got the Gators on the show.
Up until then you didn’t hear crap out of Hogtown. I guess since Urban and Timmy are gone, ESPN has finally quit mentioning them in every other sentence. They didn’t even have a reporter there.
by NoleySmokes on Feb 2, 2012 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eh, the Signing Day Special opened with footage of Tebow iirc
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
they had a Tebow special I woke up to
Thought it was a nightmare, just an hour on his story, a lucid nightmare
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Here's my take on it
It’s done, over with, and I wish him the best where ever he goes.
agree with what
kook said. Take out the middle sentence and it’s fine. Malicious, perhaps, but the whole bit about fsu being a family atmosphere, all that…is a reach. To me at least.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Feb 2, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather face Fowler than L. Williams for the next 3-4 yrs
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
Ok, I get it, but
but they play different positions. We got Bullard at LW’s postion, and he’s a higher rated prospect.
And, FWIW, I liked LW a lot.
by PullingGuardGator on Feb 2, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Love him at Buck.
Which is where Powell plays now.
by PullingGuardGator on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
It's his natural position on that Defense
So he’ll be starting there in 2014. One year after he would have competed with Casher for a starting job. Basically, it seems, he agrees with me. Casher is the better player.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 11:32 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe.
I like what I saw/heard abotu DF at the under armor week.
Also, I’m not a huge Powell guy. I think Fowler plays quite a bit this year.
by PullingGuardGator on Feb 2, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Much more physical than Powell from what I've seen.
by PullingGuardGator on Feb 2, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Coming out of HS Powell was insanely physical, no?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 12:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah, disagree with more physical
Dante’s best attribute IMO is pass-rushing… I don’t think there’s a better (perhaps equal) pure pass-rusher in the country in the 2012 class.
Championship!
Kids flip all the time on NSD. Y’all used to be the kings of doing it in the 90’s and early 00’s.
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Touche
This is true. I personally think Fowler showed little class by reasserting his commitment less than four days ago, but we ‘Noles have to recognize that we’d happily have welcomed in a sudden five star from elsewhere today had the opportunity arisen. On the other side, fella, you have to accept that we’re going to target the kid with a special brand of sporting dislike (hopefully all ’Noles remain respectful to him). I want to see him be a particular non-factor in all future FSU/UF games. Period.
Hey, quick question. What do you guys really think about Muschamp. He seems to me to be Bo Pelini of the South. That is, not a real standard bearer for the university. Then again, he may end up being a phenomenal coach. Still, what do Gators say when they get together and opine about your coach?
Mixed.
Some people don’t like him because he’s a UGA grad. When they forget that he waited in the coaches office at UF for hours to ask if they had a spot for him, but Spurrier was out golfing or something and Muschamp left and went to UGA.
Most though, think he was put in a difficult situation and if he can get the program on track and compete in the SEC (within say, 2-3-4 years at the most) then things will be good.
Generally though, we think that he is a good coach. The only knock on him thus far (from when we look at things from an unbiased standpoint) is his choices of assistant coaches. Like say, Aubrey Hill and Weis. But other than that, for the most part, the staff is alright. Some coaches are better than others, but that’s how it always is.
But all will agree he entered a bad situation (numbers issue and the like).
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I appreciate the answer (I’m actually going to reread tomorrow morning to let it sink in). Unlike just about everyone else on this site, when the Gators aren’t playing FSU, I root for them (except for DFJ). So, it’s been perplexing to me that they hire a guy who seems in passing to be a kooky dude who acts up on the sideline and may/may not be able to coach. Time will tell. Anyway, thanks again.
zone3gator?
when the Gators aren’t playing FSU, I root for them
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Just kidding.
I still don’t HATE Miami.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Says the Nole fan and father.
It’s not okay to like Gata. Not okay at all.
by Nole2005 on Feb 2, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, with that list I have to question how "Solid" of a Nole you are.
Maybe it’s because I didn’t grow up in Florida rooting for every team in the state, but I just don’t understand your rooting interest in our rivals.
by seminoleballer on Feb 2, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
He's about the only one I'll interact with.
It helps that he’s a Redskins fan. I keep telling him, gotta keep your teams consistent, Burgundy and Yellow isn’t too far from Garnet and Gold, but he just won’t come away from the dark side ;-)
That'll keep anybody grounded in reality.
It helps that he’s a Redskins fan.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
There have been a few shirts over the years that I’ve had to retire because the colors were too close to FSU. By that I mean, any FSU or Redskins fan could tell the difference, but to anyone else … they seriously struggled.
Don’t even get me started on my 70th anniversary hat the Redskins had with the spear. I wore it in public twice got about eight “Tomahawk Chops” and then retired it after going to FedEx Field for a ’Skins game. The hat has been sitting in my closet ever since.
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But Gators couldn’t? What does that tell you about the fanbases? ;)
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The gators can't even tell the difference in their own mascots.
Crocodiles or Gators?
by TuckNole on Feb 2, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That they avoid Garnet and Gold. Or similar colors, unless they are a ’Skins fans.
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My wife's idiot stepmother saw my FSU hat with the "FS" logo,
and asked me if it was San Francisco. Of course, she’s border line retarded. Seriously, this woman took accounting at a Tech School and thought she could sit for her CPA.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
"My wife's idiot stepmother"
Your mother??
I named my first born "Bud Elliott". She will thank me when she is older~
#rememberthefive
by slc.nole on Feb 2, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No.
That would be “My wife’s idiot mother-in-law”
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by SeminoleChopping on Feb 2, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Im an idiot~
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#rememberthefive
by slc.nole on Feb 2, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Haha.
I was once asked by a hotel desk clerk in Kayenta, Arizona if my hat (which was just the blue one with the orange F on it) was for Furman.
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Furman? That’s the one with the good football team isn’t it?
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by SteadfastNole on Feb 2, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Ha. I know from the SoCon, Georgia Southern and Wofford were good. I think it was Wofford. The puppies.
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Furman? German?
#ThatsRacist
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Yeah, cant wear "FS" hats out here because everyone thinks its niners
Also a HS team in Santa Fe stole the FSU “FS” so alot of people just think I must have gone to HS there. Frustrating.
by New Mexico Nole on Feb 2, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I get trolled by the local Highschool, Bountiful
which has Spears for its logo, this is their helmet design too:

Coaches Shirt look “familiar”?

I named my first born "Bud Elliott". She will thank me when she is older~
#rememberthefive
Similar to Charlton County, GA
Champ Bailey was rockin’ the spear before he was a Dawg.

Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
This takes on an extra layer of irony
When you factor in that the model for the logo is Mormon
are you saying Tommy Wright was Mormon?
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by SteadfastNole on Feb 2, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure their "Chief Osceola" has garments on!
Garments and Gold!?
I named my first born "Bud Elliott". She will thank me when she is older~
#rememberthefive
Burnt an old cubbie shirt because the red had faded to puke orange.
It had to be done.
No one knows what it means but its provocative
not sure he will get 4
years. Better at least make it respectable next year and compete the year after. Which I think he does…
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
If he does that, he’ll get a 4th year. At least I would sign off on him getting that year anyway. Not that I have an official say or anything, but still.
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So he's the anti Urban Meyer.
A good coach whose reputaion as a coach is deflated by the assistants he hires.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we’ll see how he does in-game this year. Last year, was pretty good for a first year coach.
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I don't know what's wrong, but the body of the post was: A good coach whose reputation is delfated by his inabilty to hire good assistants.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
He seems to “reach” a bit with assistants. Case in point, Pease. While I like the hire, a little more experience would have been nice.
Aubrey Hill, aside from recruiting … I’m pretty sure he’s as good a coach as I would be stepping on the field to coach WR’s tomorrow.
Weis … yeah.
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Last year, was pretty good for a first year coach.
Really? Really?
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 2, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
He means with in-game decision-making
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 11:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Its easy to not look like a fool when your team is getting blown out. The close games are when you see if he’s got the skills.
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Honestly i think the new OC might end up saving his a$$
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
That's what everyone here thought about the old OC.
I can remember the smell of urine coming through the computer when 80% of the posters here collectively peed their pants upon hearing Weis was the OC at UF.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I dont remember that
I can smelll the food from the fat jokes though
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by caine115 on Feb 2, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep.. rec’d
If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Feb 2, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
I was never overly concerned about Weis. Culturally he didnt fit and it would've taken 3 years for him to get the right pieces for his puzzle.
If you’ve watched Boise i think the new OC will plug in a plan to hit the ground running with what they have now. More diverse, creative than “front-butt”. Not sure how much influence Peterson(sp) has over Boises “O” though.
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
Considering that last season was Black Eyes Peas first as OC, and I couldn't tell the difference,
I’d say he wasn’t very influential in the success of Boise’s offense.
The Gators are hiring like they’re broke.
Not sure how much influence Peterson(sp) has over Boises "O" though.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
well color me uninformed.
You caught me on that one. Just acknowledged Boises offensive success without fact-checking. Savor the flavor, kid. Lol
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
I was not concerned about Weis AT ALL.
The hysteria was driven by dumbass gator fans who thought a fatter Tim Tebow had come back to run the offense.
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I can't wait to see him throw a Matt Elam type temper tantrum
when reality sets in that he’s taking a shonuff asswhooping from he team he spurned.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
except for the hair
Shaking meltdown yellathons. Those weren’t so awesome. If he was Irish I’m pretty sure he could be Brian kellys cousin.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
The body of that post was suppose to be: when he realizes he's getting a shonuff azzwhooping from the team he spurned.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Kids don't lie all the time, though.
Okay though, I hope y’all fill your roster with depth-chart-aware kids.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
FlaGator, you're a good guy (really)... and now Dante is yours
Enjoy trying to figure out what he says is sincere/a lie, which coaches he openly disrespects (like he did to his HS coach), etc. For the purpose of schadenfreude, I couldn’t script a better combo of personalities than Muschamp’s no-nonsense/short-fuse personality & Dante’s theatrics/ego. Nole fans will be watching the next stage of the entertaining Dante show from the sidelines for the next few years…
Championship!
I've seen the future for poor Dante.

I’m not even suppose to be here!!!!!!!!!!
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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by Kazoonole on Feb 2, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Step right up
To “The Gaterous Show On Earth”
Watch Dante’s Inferno ignite the Muff Cramper…
by NoleySmokes on Feb 2, 2012 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if it can straighten out the italics in this thread,
then it can also straighten out Fowler.
I enjoyed the intense coverage all day.....
All of you at TN are top notch, we appreaciate it!
by JKnole on Feb 1, 2012 7:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
So much for FSU only going after short DB's.
Blake: 6’3
PJ: 6’1
Darby: 5’11
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
I noticed that too
Williams is expected to be a CB right? I guess this means we will be pursuing some safeties for 2013?
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by newdynastynole on Feb 1, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well, we also still have Brutus and K. Smith as possible safeties.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Next years class
is gonna be so damn epic.
It seems like we’re in it for half the country.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
It's going to be a fun year.
Class size and talent will both be great.
This year was a great year but it’s more fun to watch a big class assemble than a small one.
Prayers = Answered
Legacy starts now!
by Nole954 on Feb 2, 2012 7:35 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ronald Darby is the second-fastest recruit we hauled in today
He’s also the second-fastest recruit in the country. Tells me all I need to know about how we did with the skill position guys today. Fantastic class all around though; couldn’t be happier with a class of just 19 kids.
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by NavyNole on Feb 1, 2012 7:42 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
His 40 is actually better than Bracy's... amazing
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by newdynastynole on Feb 1, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone who hasn't already should go watch Darby's film.
What an effin cool surprise in landing this kid. I never would’ve guessed he’d be a Nole a couple months ago.
I wanna watch them race each other
To the end zone. Their touchdown celebration could be a 40yard sprint head to head and they could lean out over the goal line. Photo finish style.
#medicinole
by NoleySmokes on Feb 2, 2012 2:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Will anyone even be able to see it if Darby covers Bracy in practice?
No one knows what it means but its provocative
by Dcubbienole on Feb 2, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is true
according to the electronic 40 times at the ESPN combines, which are shown on their ESPNU profiles.
Championship!
I appreaciate all the hard work Bud, DA2, etc. put into the signing day coverage
However I was disappointed there wasn’t a signing day thread. Everyone ended up going to the last recruiting thread and I couldn’t get into after about 2 with out crashing my browser(1800 comments and counting). Other than that thx.
And I can tell you that “everyone” did not do that, as we had almost 8,000 different people commenting in the chat at one time. So more like a very small group went over there. You were directed to use the live chat.
I wanted to avoid people asking stuff like “has joe smith signed yet?”
Questions like that don’t work on a day as busy as this. Simply look at the signing day page. If it doesn’t say he has signed, he hasn’t signed.
I'm not attacking you, but...
if you were in Bud’s shoes, you’d realize that it’s the only option. If you saw some of the comments that didn’t get posted and would’ve gone straight to a thread, you’d be so annoyed with a thread.
Eddie Goldman, Ronald Darby, Colin Blake, Reggie Northrup please
I didn't have time to be a mod today,
but with 6-8K people all with the ability to comment as ‘guest.’ Yeah….
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Right on man.
It was the cool place to crash.
How about
a big small ovation for the scrub moderating team called in for mop-up duty? MattD leading the way.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 1, 2012 7:46 PM EST reply actions
And apologies for using the S word in that thread
Once in a rare while it just slips. Was excited and didn’t even think about it. Don’t want to get banned, I beg forgiveness :(
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Totally joking there.
I added zero value to that discussion. Not my arena. haha.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 1, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks,
Great quality for UF too right? Just not as big of a class as they wanted?
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Excellent quality. The good news was, we didn’t lose a single player who gave a verbal, the bad news was, we didn’t gain a single player who didn’t give us a verbal (except for Fowler). Some members of the Gator faithful are questioning Muschamp’s ability to close as a result.
The only player left is Diggs, and some are even saying he will “make” or “bust” this class. I disagree with both. I think for what we needed, especially in a weaker recruiting cycle for some positions in the southeast (and in Florida), we did exactly what we had to do.
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LOL,
some FSU fans prob thing Fowler would have ‘made’ this class.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Haha. Yeah. The only thing that’s weird is that it didn’t seem like FSU and UF “dueled” that much over a player or players the past couple of years. Especially this year. I mean, I guess Fowler, but it didn’t have the same fire as they have in the past.
If that makes any sense.
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absolutely makes sense.
All the guys today that UF was in a battle for FSU wasn’t even really in contention for. Strange. I think a lot of that has to do with the lower number of elite players coming out of the state of florida. When you get them from outta state, changes the recruiting dynamics….if that makes any sense.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Makes perfect sense
It seemed like we were competing with Auburn for our entire class this year.
Pat Dooley wrote that Fowler flipped a month ago and wanted to keep it hush to have a dramatic flip on NSD.
If true that kid is a douche.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Feb 1, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
While entirely possible, I’d take what Dooley says with grain of salt. I mean, he’s a good guy and everything, but tends to be “out there” on occasion.
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Bah, Fowler tempered an otherwise stellar NSD.
Goldman, Darby, Northrup, and Blake are doing a pretty good job of healing that wound though.
All three Florida schools pulled in nice hauls today. Even Miami.
I’m sure they are. It would for me as well. And yeah, the “Holy Trinity of College Football” did pretty good.
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we didn’t gain a single player who didn’t give us a verbal (except for Fowler)
What about this guy?
http://247sports.com/Player/Raph-Andrades-8376
Good for Raph
wasn’t following his recruitment too closely, but a good kid. I am surprised he wasn’t rated any higher than he was. I think our D will be able to handle him, so not scared that he went to UF, but this is a good opportunity for him.
I hope this doesn’t sound too pro-UF…it is really just pro-Raphael Andrades
I’d be straight up lying to you if I said I knew anything more than his name before last night, when I got word that he more than likely was the the “mystery recruit” that was being talked about yesterday and this morning amongst the Gator Nation.
As y’all have seen, we need all the help we can get at the WR position, so I’ll take it. Plus, like you said, he seems to be a little less regarded than he probably should. At least that’s my take on him after reading stuff, making a phone call or two and what not.
I’m fine with it. Because he seems to be above that “hey, let’s sign this guy just to fill up space” type of player.
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After taking a RS his first year, Dunkley was have serious academic issues. And by serious, think along the lines of “ethics” and not so much “scholastic.”
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My son played in Tallahassee Babe Ruth with him.
They split time in CF. I used to sit with his parents in the stands. Even then, he was a VERY smooth athlete with good speed, body control, and instincts. And unless he has changed in the last couple of years, he is a really good kid.
And I even wrote the article at AA.
SEE WHAT I MEAN BY LISTENING TO DOOLEY!
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Great Coverage
A huge thanks to the TN staff on providing the Seminole faithful with insightful analysis, up to date news ad overall awesomeness. Best in the business!
This goes here. Jimbo reels'em in so they don't swim away.

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by onebarrelrum on Feb 1, 2012 7:50 PM EST reply actions 31 recs
Can't begin to tell you how great it is
to see him having fun. Tough year, tough man. God bless you, your family and this all-universe recruiting team, Jimbo.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 1, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 15 recs
Haven't seen footage of him having fun this year yet, though I have heard he has.
This is from last year.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
couldn't have said it better
rec’d
F-L-O-R-I-D-A S-T-A-T-E FLORIDA STATE FLORIDA STATE FLORIDA STATE WOOOOOOOO!!!
KTBFFH!!
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by Noleforever9399 on Feb 1, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Goldman and Jernigan seem like a perfect complement to each other in the middle.
I’m most interested to see that development in the future
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 1, 2012 7:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
this
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by newdynastynole on Feb 1, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
We should have that combo for two years.
Not counting on Jernigan for the third.
But it will be epic while it lasts.
All I have to say is:
SKANKS. That kid is going to be a beast….just watch
by SarasotaSeminole on Feb 1, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
New Tommy Award?
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by newdynastynole on Feb 2, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
TSG
And Russo Should be ashamed of himself for letting this sit for so long.
If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).
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Wasnt Winston originally going to sign tomorrow?
Sorry if I missed it but now it seems like it is sort of vague as to when he will sign…is this a new development?
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
after the Fowler fiasco that still gives me pause.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
by Blue Horseshoe on Feb 1, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Dont worry.
He said he’s all Nole. Just doesn’t know if he’ll sign tomorrow, or Friday. He even said there’s a possibility it gets pushed back another week.
Until a pic of Winston comes out with Alabama gear on, I wouldn’t worry.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
dante said that he was all nole too
And granted dfj is a way bigger attentoin whore jameis has played some games too like when he tweeted before the national championship game that the winner would “get a present” I still think he ends up a nole but the whole fowler thing makes me a little skeptical
by TheRenegade29 on Feb 1, 2012 8:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dante isn't Nole material
There’s more to it than depth chart worries. He realized he wasn’t a good fit in the Seminole family.
Championship!
He is 100% Nole
Said it today. hes nt visiting other schools, wearing other Jersey’s and even said he wanted Agholar and Darby to come before the made their choices. No worries. just baseball
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Nothing is 100% until they sign on the line which is dotted.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
by Blue Horseshoe on Feb 1, 2012 9:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Have you made your decision for Christ? GREAT Movie.
Was wondering if someone would get the reference
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
by Blue Horseshoe on Feb 2, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Always Be Closing
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 11:37 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Winston's Parents...
Saw Winston say ""all Nole" on ESPNU about Noon and was happy, but am still nervous with Stanford looming out there. Been BCS last two years, very good baseball program (with history of Football/Baseball two sport guys), and academics that rank with best in nation. If he goes home to talk with his folks and they say that Stanford is too great an opportunity to pass up, who knows? If family wants to see him play in-person, we will certainly get him…but he appears to be a kid that has a solid head on his shoulders and that is probably due to the mentoring of his folks (he probably listens to their counsel or would not be the young man he is).
I pray I’m seeing ghosts (and he does not get first round money from MLB).
the kid is going to the mlb or future nfl
Give a kid who was recruting live for us today saying hes all Nole who said weeks ago hes not signing on NSD some slack. Fowler being a junk, is no comparison. Winston is a good kif
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You are right
Winston will be a Nole. I wasn’t comparing him to Fowler in the slightest (not an apt comparison for many reasons), but rather saying the Stanford acceptance was not official/in-play till very recently. His enthusiasm as a Nole recruiter both at UA week and today should stand on its own merit that he is indeed ours.
most mlb mocks dont have him in the first 5 rounds
He’d need a hell of a season this year to be taken in the first round
by TheRenegade29 on Feb 1, 2012 8:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is a good baseball player, but thats all
Todd Helto or Joe Mauer he is not. You ddont hear the kind of superlatives tossed around for him as a baseball player that you do as football player either. The simple fact that his heart is in football is likely enough to scare away MLB teams who view a signing bonus as an investment in the direct future of their ballclub.
by Widespread Seminole on Feb 2, 2012 2:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just watched Winston and Darby's interviews on ESPN
Very well spoken guys. Glad to have them
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dont care how they speak. just hope they can play football.
"Sweet baby Jesus on Fire, I'm need of a damn lawyer and a miracle to pull my ass out of this."
14-0 is a better ambassador.
"Sweet baby Jesus on Fire, I'm need of a damn lawyer and a miracle to pull my ass out of this."
At some point, an opposing QB could have the follow group running at them
Chris Casher
Timmy Jernigan
Eddie Goldman
Mario Edwards
Christian Jones
Jeff Luc
no thanks
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
Scary that we're already talking
about the group replacing next year’s best DL in all of CFB.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 1, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Scarier that our 5-2 formation could legitimately weight ~1500 pounds
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
in the front 5 alone
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
And I hope that some day all of them land on top of Chad Kelly, at one time.
I have a dream…
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Feb 1, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I am split
I want then to Ivan Drago him. But him also never becoming the starter would be funny as hell also
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Hmmm, maybe it'll be in mop up duty
when they send him in when FSU is up by 40.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
or we knock out all ahead of him with the nuclear DL
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Like when we knocked out Sean Glennon
and subsequently knocked out Tyrod Taylor at the Doak in ‘08. IIRC Va Tech didn’t dress or didn’t have a 3rd string quarterback and had to play a wide receiver who had played QB in high school.
I got very tired of the ESPN radio updates that said
Chad Kelly chose Clemson over FSU and others as if we were battling hard for him. Not impressed with that kid’s attitude at all.
Don't see any 5-2 defense coming.
Who knows, though. 4-1 and 3-2 were knew looks in 2011.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 1, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
That's disappointing
I’d love 3rd and 3 or less to go 5-2, especially with the seniority of our DB’s (even down the line as the young ones develop) and the range of our LB’s
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
I've thought the same thing
Why don’t college’s run the 52 anymore? I know it would be horrible against the spread, but it was out of fashion before the spread took over. Personally, I’d run a 52 against Florida every year until they find a offense and can move the ball.
Hell, you could've run a 1-6 against them last year.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Not likely.
This will be Jones’ last year.
Roses are red, Violets are blue, If it wears orange, Kill it.
This
Is my biggest concern. Who steps up as our dominant linebacker once cj7 is gone? Telvin is sick but just does not have that feel like a nb13 or the like.
by Nole'D on Feb 1, 2012 9:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eligwe
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 1, 2012 9:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
We have others.
Eligwe, possibly Karlos Williams, Jeff Luc, #24 Terrance Smith is a guy who I think will surprise.
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by SeminoleChopping on Feb 2, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Los better not end up at LB
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 10:26 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
That's what I'm thinking
Although I don’t want to see him at LB, it’s a possibility.
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by SeminoleChopping on Feb 2, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
JWJ
Roses are red, Violets are blue, If it wears orange, Kill it.
I fully expect this
Just had to learn the system and limber up a bit… Expect big minutes… If you need a reminder of his potential, I suggest you watch the first 3 hits of this video, the 3rd of which fractured the kids ribs (IIRC).
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
Im really happy
with this signing class. They are all studs and several will have immediate impact. FSU coming on strong again (barring mass injuries like ’11).
Bud, could've saved a lot of typing by saying:
FSU just signed a Pete Carroll USC no joke class.
by The K-Man on Feb 1, 2012 8:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yes quite....or, or...
a twilight Urban Meyer Gator class…doesn’t sound as good.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Great Job TN
Except for one thing. The ESPN next to Goldman’s name is missing the “150” in the chart in this article (and all the similar charts I’ve seen on here today).
Is the poster known as FSU actually Terry Saban? And why does TN not want you to know?
Just sitting down to seriously analyze the quality of this class. It is disgusting.
Look at some of the battles that were waged to pull in some of these kids. Look at the hostile areas we pulled some of these kids from. Ridiculous. Very impressed. We just have to translate this to the field.
Winston
Am I the only one who’s not that worked up if Jameis Winston doesn’t work out? The new guy gives us four on the roster and Clint Trickett was pretty impressive when he was on the field this past season. Just can’t help but think no Winston = one more scholarship to offer someone next year at a position where the need might be more pressing
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by NoleFanMark on Feb 1, 2012 8:49 PM EST reply actions
I'm not worked up because I think Coker is the truth.
He’s the future of this program. A battle with Winston will be nice, but Winston isn’t make or break for this class.
Eddie Goldman, Ronald Darby, Colin Blake, Reggie Northrup please
I agree..cant wait to see Coker get a shot.
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
Not make or break
But the #1 QB in the country, who gets rave reviews everywhere, wins every competition, and has a legit ceiling of NFL quality is not someone you want to lose. This class is great regardless. But it still loses more luster if the #1 QB isnt apart of it. I mean. You dont land the #1 that often.
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by caine115 on Feb 1, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
After this year, I'll say no complaints about having another QB ready
Coker beats him out, but gets injured, I’d rather have Winston ready to go over anyone else coming in at the current time.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
I'm won't argue any of that.
But I think if people felt the way I did about Coker, they wouldn’t be freaking out on someone that will sign with FSU.
Eddie Goldman, Ronald Darby, Colin Blake, Reggie Northrup please
I get what you're saying.
I think Coker’s our starting QB in ’13.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 1, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I like Coker
Dont get me wrong. Winston should redshirt and Coker will get a yeay. Then they battle in 2014 Winston will be a RS So
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And the incumbent will beat him u out
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 1, 2012 9:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Anytime you get a No. 1 QB, you like him in the class.
Winning awards and being rated No. 1 won’t make him a star. It has to translate to the filed. EJ had those credentials and was making poor reads and decisions. I would not want Jameis to be the second coming of EJ.
Ability alone is not enough – you have to have football smarts. Not book smarts, but ball smarts. Any smarts are better than no smarts. CP7 had book smarts and it translated to the filed. Jameis getting accepted to Stanford says he has a little something upstairs. Hope it translates to the filed. If not, I hope he plays baseball.
Lets see here
Ward,…Weinke, …ah here it is, Winston. Put the smarts on the left side.
Gus, don't be EJ Manuel's shoulder.
Weldon, Willis, Ward, Weinke...
Yeah, Winston would work out well for us as a QB. I hope he signs soon.
Weatherford?
Oh, were we leaving him out?
by RiverCityNole on Feb 2, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Naming good QBs in FSU history
Not the single worst.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 2:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You must not remember the Rooster.
Q: What’s your favorite pre-game ritual?
A: Well, I take a doodoo. Before every game I doodoo.
Florida's Ja'Juan Story in an actual interview.
Xavier Lee won me a Heisman on NCAA '06
Woo?
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
LOL
Yeah, he and Seneca Wallace were the best video game QBs ever.
Rooster beat Florida
And I don’t remember him selfishly trying to undermine the team at any point in his career.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 3:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
Jimbo names Christian Ponder the starter
Weatherford gives an interview saying he thinks he deserves to be the starter.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 9:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I like what I see from the guys on our roster now, but you just never know until they're "the man".
I’d definitely be disappointed if Winston didn’t sign, we need him competing with the guys that we have now and then we just wait to see the best rise to the top. Jameis has playmaker written all over him and I want to see him making plays in Garnet & Gold!
by seminoleballer on Feb 2, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
So who had the better day
Our football or track program?
by FSU on Feb 1, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
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by Dogrel on Feb 1, 2012 9:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Really expected a "Clowney" pic from you today
Paint me disappointed :/
by SarasotaSeminole on Feb 1, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
What color?

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by Dogrel on Feb 2, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent coverage
Thanks for all the hours and missed meals!
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by ItsNolen on Feb 1, 2012 9:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
quote of the day by jimbo fisher
When he was asked about how he felt about finishing behind alabama in the espn recruit ranks he said: “well, we may not be alabama, but atleast we ain’t clemeson”
by Cjones6121 on Feb 1, 2012 9:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
searching youtube for dabo's response
by Cjones6121 on Feb 1, 2012 9:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gentlemen
I believe it’s spelled ClumPson. Yet another piece of Bowden’s legacy for all Nole fans to enjoy.
Or as one of their 80's era players said on camera: "this is a great victory for Clemmons College"
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
by Blue Horseshoe on Feb 1, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
No, no, no
This was a player in the heat of battle.
That was an elected official, representing the people of Florida, while in session, speaking to her peers!
by LilburnNole on Feb 2, 2012 8:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If I were a legislator
If I were a legislator and you called me “one of her peers” after that, I would have puked on your shoes.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
No, no, no
This was a player in the heat of battle.
That was an elected official, representing the people of Florida, while in session, speaking to her peers!
by LilburnNole on Feb 2, 2012 8:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Corrine was in Congress
Taking the stage in consideration, that’s an all time embarrassment for UF. How did that woman graduate?
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL!
by DownTownJax on Feb 2, 2012 9:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
She has a master’s and an education specialist degree from UF. She did her undergrad at Florida A&M.
How she graduated from any of them is beyond me.
Editor at Alligator Army.
by FlaGators on Feb 2, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The bright side is, as long as shes a politician she isn't teaching
our children. hopefully she’ll have a long career as a legislator and as the spokesman for the university of florida.
Apparently she is the congressperson for my district. I seriously doubt any of the voters in my area even know who they are voting for.
I think I might vote for her
Just to add to the dumpster fire of Jacksonville politicians. And the wonderful quotes.
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL!
by DownTownJax on Feb 2, 2012 12:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I had a biology professor at FAMU who might have been her sister or cousin.
HATED that class…
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Anyone knows what happened with Darby at ND? Watched his post interview and he hinted the coaching statt “turned against” him. Is there more to this story?
by ncNOLE2000 on Feb 1, 2012 9:13 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
That's code talk for...Nole'd.
Welcome!
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 1, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks!
Good to know. BTW, awesome job by all the TN mods. I was worthless at work all day. Even the TN’s b-team brought their A game!
The FSU O/L better grow and jell in a hurry ....
Think about the talent already on the D line and what we are bringing in.
If the OL doesn’t soon ge their act together the FSU O won’t ever practice well or get in a rhythm.
I am not complaining mind you. having a great D line is ingredient no. 1 for a championship.
But we do want the FSU O line to be able to run plays in practice theymwaynthey should be.
perhaps the FSU O 1 team goes against the FSU D 3 team?
Yeah I'm with you...
I’m pretty sure it will work out….but we certainly could have some question marks on the O side of the ball (QB/OL) going forward. For instance, IF Winston doesn’t wind up at FSU (baseball or whatever)…are we still truly a legit NC contender after this year. QB is such a critical position. Perhaps Jimbo is following the UA model and just intends to not let other teams past mid-field. If JW is in Tally next fall…I’ll breath a lot easier on this one. Anyway…awesome class…hopefully this can result in 4 more years of beating UF (they certainly did very well too).
About half or better of what you thought was an OL problem was actually a QB problem.
Having the worst play called for the D you’re facing and failing to check to the correct play makes a lot of OLs look bad, as does hanging in the pocket too long, not rolling out, refusing to throw to the flat, making bad decisions running the option, etc. OL had its problems for certain, but EJ made them look worse than they really were. Hopefully Coker will be ready to go so that EJ can just sit if he is injured again.
Doesn't that work both ways?
Can’t recall 100%, but I seem to think that EJ had to scramble on the play he hurt his shoulder vs Okie. Sometimes he absolutely made bad decisions, but other times the O-line couldn’t block long enough for him to find someone open. Couple that with young players at all the skill positions AND injuries and you can easily see how your offense is going to be anemic
by MarchantWarchant on Feb 2, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks Bud
And the entire TN crew, great work today. Despite being slammed and frustrated at work, your coverage and the live chat made this a fantastic experience
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by xfactor159 on Feb 1, 2012 9:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Just wanted to stop by one last time
and congratulate you guys on a great recruiting class. Talk about loaded. Good luck during the season and thanks for the recruiting talk as well as tolerating a Bammer stopping by.
Roll Tide!
I can't see too many DL prospects
anxious to enter the fray in Tallahassee for at least a year.lol
Roll Tide!
Kid lives with his coach
who is a member of the 92 NC team and he is tight with Reuben Foster….I feel good about getting him….
Roll Tide!
Of course
he isn’t even committed to the Tide at this point….I think we are a clear leader and word is he will commit sometime in the near future.
Roll Tide!
You should feel pretty good...
but that won’t prevent every team in the country from taking a swing at him.
You think? lol
People are saying he is the best prospect to come out of GA since Herschal Walker….
Roll Tide!
Coming out of high school
those guys might not have been as highly rated….knowing what we know now is a different story…
Roll Tide!
CNS has recruited some great players
but I have never seen a kid that I would like to get more than Nkemdiche…
Roll Tide!
I never really thought
we had a real shot at Clowney.
Roll Tide!
His senior film is just the filthiest thing I've ever watched.
and believe me, I’ve watched some filthy things.
Oh yeah
but I never got very excited about him because I felt he was going to stay home. Most of the sane Bama folks thought the same.
Roll Tide!
Yeah, from what I've heard he never wavered and was about as close to a lock as it gets (to USCe of course)
It was a pipe dream
and most of us knew it. He is a great talent. 2 more years and off to the league….
Roll Tide!
I've said this already but I can't say it enough
You gotta respect a guy like Eddie Goldman. He can have gone to other schools and started right away, instead he chose to go to FSU and compete for PT with some other very talented DTs. Tells me all I need to know about the kid.
don't forget about Cam Erving and Justin Shanks
throw in NLS and that is a nice rotation
Ha Ha Ha
Was watching our bball game on Fox Sports South and they were hyping their (and Scout’s – I really wasn’t paying attention to this though) recruiting show after our game. I said “I’ll bite” and settled in to watch. Up until the first commercial break they mentioned Darby and Goldman. Nothing on MEJ or Winston. Then they throw up their rankings going to break and there we sit at no. 9. I turned off the TV.
Try these. A composite of all four majors
by Bud Elliott on Feb 1, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah well
we can debate all day long about Bama, Texas and FSU, but everyone else is a distant 4th. The quality of FSU’s class is outrageous.
Roll Tide!
lol UF says ‘me too guys’
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 2, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry
But all I noticed yesterday was the gators whiffing. Nice class but not in the discussion
Roll Tide!
It's been said ad nauseum
but recruiting classes are not defined by NSD. Gators have a lot of quality in their class, just didn’t finish “strong.”
Whiffed our way into a concensus top 5 class.
Most of our studs were already committed. We still may get 5 star WR in a week too.
by PullingGuardGator on Feb 2, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
But you gotta admit
It feels hollow. After last year and with all the defections you needed a huge class and instead came in right at 25ish.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 11:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Agholor hurts.
Howard, not so much, because of Poole this year and Roberson last year. Also, Willie Bailey has mega potential at CB.
The hollow part is whiffing at RB(not a huge matt jones fan) and WR
by PullingGuardGator on Feb 2, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
you'll have to excuse me
if I mention that some of us are very happy with the WR production at UF :)
I think we both got fairly decent classes, even if it seems that UF whiffed on a few on NSD. The OL class especially will be an interesting battle in the trenches with our DL class in a few years.
by StM on Feb 2, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I have a question.
Why is there such a disparity on FSU? I mean, I know Scout has always been a little out there because of the way they tally the points, but I mean, not even counting Scout who have y’all at No. 10 … No. 2 (247), No. 2 (ESPN) and No. 8 (Rivals) … one of those three aren’t like the others.
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Don't know if you are joking
But the two kickers and the size of the class hurt the rankings on the websites. Not trying to be mean, but would you trade classes (all else being equal)?
Oh, I’m not joking. We took a kicker, and like tuck said below, got a JUCO guy (would have had two, but Junior Salt flipped to Utah).
As for trading the classes, no. Because of the OL difference.
Editor at Alligator Army.
Point taken
It is a very difficult question to answer in one sentence… But the DL/QB difference (You don’t have to answer)?
We got our QB’s last year and DL in 2010. Hopefully, one of them takes the controls. That’s part of the reason. Would more like that be great? Yes, but it isn’t like we didn’t get a couple of good ones today.
Also, if we get Diggs … yeah.
Editor at Alligator Army.
Don't forget two JUCO OLinemen
that most services don’t rate, but will be immediate contributors.
FYI, FSU will jump to 6th on Rivals when Winston signs
If you leave out Scout (because they suck) and count FSU as 6th on rivals (which is what we will be ranked once they count Winston) you get the following top 5:
UA 3
UT 8
FSU 10
UF 11
OSU 15
While UF and other teams took a kicker they weren’t penalized nearly as much on rivals because they had more than 20 recruits. A portion of the Rivals formula only counts the top 20 recruits, since FSU only had 19 our 2 and 3 star kickers actually significantly reduced the number points we received overall.
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Don’t apologize. Great job dude.
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I second that RollNole
Gotta be tough weeding through the whimsical messages of 1000 Drusso wannabe’s, as well as everyone else’s intelligent and not-so-intelligent thoughts.
Any update on JHC?
Should we forget about him or is there still hope?
From what I hear
the issue is the grandpa wants him to go to UF not FSU.
Roll Tide!
We had some drama like this
last year on NSD with Koujando and he ended up flipping to us from the barn…maybe families should work it out ahead of time…
Roll Tide!
by mobilematt12 on Feb 1, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
it baffles me.
I think JHC is overrated, but he should be alright at either school. Not sure what the issue is with gramps.
Yeah, I was rooting for you guys to take back Koujando. Was not happy with Auburn taking our targets.
UF of FSU.
Just not UGA.
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Crap.
Stupid phone. Lol.
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This class is great...doesn't matter if it isn't #1 by ESPN, etc.
With consistent top 5 (which we should be able to do in FL) recruiting classes our talent will be more than enough. The rest is coaching, effort, and luck.
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Why is Miami getting so much love in the media?
Yeah, they signed Howard against expectations, but they took 33 players and a staggering 23 of them are three star recruits. Two five star, eight four star … that’s pretty nice, but 23 guys that are three star?
This is why I come to TN for news and analysis on our rivals, not just on FSU. Bud & Co. have it right about this class. Anyone who thinks having anywhere from 1/4 to 1/3 of your team being comprised of three star freshman is something to crow about needs a reality check.
stars aren't everything and I'm probably one of the rare guys who liked what golden did.
Lewis and Louis are going to be good receivers, they have 3 quarterbacks so atleast one of them have to be good. Randy Johnson is electric and is a stud & if he were bigger he would be one of the best backs hands down in this class. That secondary is going to be pretty good too. I know they oversigned but if Golden isn’t afraid to cut his players then he did a good job and frankly when you are Miami and you have the best talent in the country in your backyard and people want to stay home and play for their hometeam…. Miami isn’t as crazy as people on here think.
I think Golden did a pretty good job
But, Given the circumstances, like being able to offer tons of PT to players, getting a head star on closing since he did not have to prepare for a bowl game and being located in fertile recruiting grounds, etc. He could have and should have done a lot better. I mean this is the kind of situation under which Miami is capable of bringing in the #1 or #2 too class in the nation and Golden didn’t do that.
I counldn't disagree anymore lol
considering the NCAA’s possible death sentence he did a great job. He did the best with what he had to offer and was able to do a pretty good job. Could he have done better? Yes but that applies to everyone out there. We could have gotten JHC, Williams, Louis, Fowler, etc.
He did a pretty good job in year two with everything considered. If you don’t see that then…. make me some pancakes and I will agree with you.
I see you choose to exaggerate the severity of the situation with the NCAA to prove your point
Interesting tactic. Anyway we both said he did a pretty good job we just seem to disagree on whether the cards were stacked against him or in his favor
IMO
I think kids want to win it all and win the possibility of not being able to play in a bowl game and NC is very possible the cards are stacked against you. I think pretty much any recruiting analyst would agree with me that the odds are pitted against them to sign top talent that they would normally be able to sign.
*when the possibility
need a darn edit button folks!
Well first the kids would have to believe that UM will be receiving a worse penalty then tOSU for that to be true
Also, we have seen many schools recruit well with the threat of NCAA penalties and even while on probation. USC, UNC, just to name a couple. And last, somekids value PT more then anything. But if you are a good recruiter you have to able to overcome objections, possible sanctions is just another objections that you have to over come. It’ shouldn’t be to hard because you know it is coming and you get it from everyone.
UNC didn't recruit well during the sanction
Ohio State will never drop off because they have no competition other than Michigan and they don’t lose out on their recruits. Look at their class… all from Ohio pretty much. USC took a different approach quality over quantity and they will always get their pick of the litter because USC is football on the WEST COAST not just cali but the west coast.
Miami has to compete with FSU and UF both are programs that are playing better than Miami as well.
just my opinion and I am very very opinionated.
to a fault but i’m cool with that.
UNC recruited well during the "threat" of sanctions.
Butch’s last recruiting class was a good class and you can’t deny that.
ESPN had UNC's class ranked 16 in 2011
Which is very good for UNC
I think you are minimizing UM's position.
They don’t have a stadium on campus.
They don’t have fans to go to their games.
They didn’t go to a bowl.
They didn’t win but what? Half their games?
It is unlikely they do any better this year after losing so many players.
They have not been a major nat’l player in how many years?
Their current players saw the writing on the wall and most who had no business jumping ship left early.
It was a “down” year for talent in FL.
It was Golden’s first year in the area.
Shalala’s academic standards.
And then, there’s the looming sanctions.
How in the world you think Golden should have turned those circumstances into a No. 1 or 2 class to beat out the Bamas, OSUs, Gatas, Auburn’s, Clem$on$, and Jumbo “Recruit” Fishers is waayyy beyond me. IMO Golden did a damn fine job.
Golden did the best he could do.
My contention is that it is far from what it would take to salvage Miami’s near- and mid-term future. I personally believe, but can’t quantify, that Golden isn’t a great coach, and isn’t a great recruiter. However, I’m also not sure anyone else could have done any better than he did given the circumstances.
That’s not my point. My point is the media seems to think this is setting Miami up for impending return to glory, and a reasoned analysis of their situation points to that being far from the truth. I think Miami is hoist in their own petard, and the media is simply clueless. That does give the benefit of giving them farther to fall, which is always schadenfreudistically delicious, but the short term praise is a bit irritating.
The performance of this years team and
The players leaving early are all things that can be spun in Golden’s favor since he was not responsible for this years roster for the most part.
I saw Golden being interviewed today on CSS
He was asked about negative recruiting and his response led me to believe that he was telling recruits that the penalties will not be lighter then tOSU since all of the people are gone that were part of the violations
Stars aren't everything
but they’re a big chunk of it. We’ve seen evidence presented time and time again that higher ranked prospects have a far better chance to be major successes than lower ranked prospects.
Specifically on the QB front, I don’t think you can argue that because they took three, one of them has to work out. It’s entirely possible they all bust, or they’re all so similar in relative ability that none of them get the reps and attention they need to really take the reigns of the offense. I think signing three QBs is a tacit admission of a lack of talent at the position, but a desperate attempt to solve the problem.
This could go anyway based on how you see things.
I think competition brings out the best in any athlete. I think Miami had a lot of holes and will have more holes open up with infractions looming. He did what was best oversign because things are about to get really rough. So oversign…. those who suck bail, get lost on depth chart, or get cut.
Remember Ponder was a 3 star, Reed was a 2 star, Taylor was a 2 star, Hudson was a 3 star. Yeah the likelyhood of it happening is rare but he wasn’t going to get the cream del la cream.
I guarantee you that if you were a Miami fan you would be stoked and if FSU were in that position you would be just as happy.
If FSU was in that position
I’d be wailing and gnashing my teeth. Filling a roster with quantity at the expense of quality is a quick ticket to mediocrity. We saw that with some recruiting classes in the past decade, and were it not for some of those players becoming truly special (eg Ponder), FSU would have broken the nation’s longest bowl streak by now, and we wouldn’t be in position to get the classes we’re currently landing.
Take a look at how much Miami is losing this year, and then take a look at the talent that is there (or isn’t there, maybe) to replace the departing players. Do you forsee success on the field for Da U next year? I don’t, and I do forsee sanctions from the NCAA. Three years from now, Miami will be relegated to the lower tier of the ACC, a crippled shell of its former glorious state, and failing to capitalize THIS year, failing to bolster their class with more four and five star players THIS year, and instead inflating their roster with a bunch of guys who were considering schools like Maryland and Big East schools, will be the direct cause of that rot.
Did Golden have a choice? No. Should he have seen this coming? Absolutely. Their staff doesn’t have the juice to pull the top recruits on a large enough basis. This is what Miami got when they hired “good enough.”
Thing is, when Miami gets hit with sanctions, they will likely be limited to the number os schollies they have and number of recruits they can sign each year. That means that people cannot get buried on the depth chart and cannot get cut, simply due to depth. Miami needed quality AND quantity this year. They got a little of both, but not likely enough.
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True, but they got more than expected.
Miami needed quality AND quantity this year. They got a little of both, but not likely enough.
It’s a good thing sanctions are limiting Golden, he could actually be that recruiter to fear.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
He strikes me as a guy who maybe sort of happy there, now that he’s been there. I think its going to be do we have the resources to compete type of thing
He’s smart, I think. Smart enough to realize one can be “happy” in a number of places. Therefore, jump to a place with better resources, facilities, etc.
have happend?
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irregardless, it was the worse decision ive maid today.
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Fixed it for you
irregardlessirregardlessly, it was the worse worstest decision ive maid today.too day.
I honestly just hope he jumps to a school outside of the ACC.
I think Miami may have actually got the best hire they could with Plan D.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
He did do a good job this year. Not sure with our staff, we’d “fear” any recruiter, but that’s just opinion.
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Let me rephrase that......
A recruiter not to be taken lightly.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
OL Adam Duckett?
Haven’t seen him mentioned, is he headed to JUCO, or still trying to greyshirt?
by fsu2wall on Feb 2, 2012 12:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
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Yes, FSU offered a GS, but is that in fact what he agreed to do?
Haven’t seen anything updated since he was listed on yesterday’s signing page.
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I am known to be a naysayer
…so I will say nay.
I will not believe that we will parlay it into an MNC caliber team until we have a consistently solid OL. IMO, it starts and ends there. No OL = Our D on the field longer. No OL = more QB mistakes, more TOs. No OL = more injuries to offensive backs. Did I mention D on the field longer?
But, we have the meanest, nastiest defense in the history of the universe, and that is truly exciting!
Oline takes time to develop....
And on paper we signed some good ones last year. If Trickett does his job (I am not as sure as I once was) then I think we will be fine.
This is a great pic
It’s on the back of the Tampa Bay times here in St. Pete letting everyone know that the Noles aint going no where
I wanna know where I can get a shirt with an FSU logo that big
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by SteadfastNole on Feb 2, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I need 1 in black
When you find it. Pretty gaudy but big wins would be followed by the big logo…
Legacy starts now!
by Nole954 on Feb 2, 2012 11:42 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
body paint.
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by NOLEinTX on Feb 2, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
just about to say that
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by Noleforever9399 on Feb 2, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I know I know
but I couldn’t help but get that uneasy feeling when Winston said “I’m going to go back and talk to my family”, I assumed all the talking was done. Then he moved him signing to as late as next Wednesday, that was news to me. Ya ya, sky is falling and so on…
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I think that had a lot more to do with when and where they'll sign the NLI. How much recruiting does Winston have to do for us for people to believe he's not dropping us?
Has he EVER said anything?
People are crazy. If he says “I’m 100% going to FSU, I’m solid.”, recruits for us (heavily, moreso than most other commits/signees), talks about the baseball staff in interviews, etc., how can people be so worried?
That and the Jimbo connection, the Jimbo/Mike Martin relationship, etc.
If Harbaugh was still at Stanford, I’d be much more worried.
He is and was told that recently
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Jameis Winston, a five-star quarterback from Hueytown, Ala., who is rated as the best quarterback in the nation, could be the biggest recruit to join the Cardinal in years. Although Winston is currently committed to Florida State, he recently hinted that he could change his mind since learning of his acceptance to Stanford.
http://www.stanforddaily.com/2012/02/01/football-national-signing-day-top-recruits-loom-large/
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Not reading to much into it
but I would like to see that LOI soon.
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Where can I send a late Xmas card to the staff at TN?!
Awesome coverage throughout the year and of course yesterday! On to the class of 2013!!
Great coverage
throughout the year, not a fan of that chat, and the 1500 comment forum made my phone melt.
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#justkidding
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Feb 2, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
No need to send a card, just tell them yourself......

Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Kip Dynamite is always rec-worthy
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
What do you mean?
That’s Bud, Frank, DKN, and the other guy.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope...
A. Bud would be on his phone
2. Frank would have dry, crusty stains on his pants
D. DKN would be wearing a Will Ferrell shirt
Petoria. The other guy would be in the background since he’s clearly not important enough to name and therefore must be a TN groupie/stalker
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by Scalpemall on Feb 2, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Question
Aren’t we up against the NCAA APR score? I remember there was a conversation about how Jimbo would clear some players but we because of the APR and the sanctions from 2009. Could someone fill me in on this. Thanks
Depends on how NCAA moves forward with ruling on APR, 4 yr scholarships, oversigning, etc as we move forward. As a general rule for now it would help
Good to hear
I know of a few players everyone wants to move on but, due to being up against that APR we haven’t. The tought crossed my mind after seing we may take up to 30 this coming year.
Was curious if there were still any schollies available~
For when teams like Alabama and Texas have some attrition due to signing too many? Or, would most likely the kids who walk away/are cut not be of interest to us? Does FSU still have needs to fill if the opportunity becomes available over the next couple months?
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If my math serves me...
…we have room in terms of this class. We signed 24 in 2010, and 28 in 2011, with 3 tracked back to 2009 in 2010, and 3 tracked back to 2010 in 2011. (Confused yet?) So we WOULD have the full 6 extra spots available, but we also have to be under the 85 scholarship limit, and I believe we have close to 70 on scholarship before this class, meaning – of our 19 guys, we’re already over our limit by about 4.
We need some guys to transfer/leave/get hurt/grayshirt first.
Or my math could be completely off. :)
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I was having this debate elsewere.
We’ll have 17 seniors this year. So for each player over 17 we’ll have to clear one extra player for whatever reason, NFL, injury, etc. I’m sure you could go through the roster and find some spots.
Jones
Werner
Rhodes
Joyner
Bright
Demps
Gerhes
Haulstead
Orelus
Tye
Foose
Okay...
So I went through and counted players who (I think) are on scholarship – and I BELIEVE, we’re at around 72 players before the new recruits FSU just signed. This is taking into account the departures of Jenkins and Commack.
That being said – we are bringing in 19* (assuming Winston DOES play football, and doesn’t opt to go play baseball.)
So we’re at 91 total players, but with Aguayo deferring until the Spring, that brings us to 90. So….at present we need to drop about 5 lbs. of fat from our roster.
:)
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Stuckey going JuCo
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 4:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Does anyone remember...
…after the Wake Forest game a commit at that time tweeted “Wake Forest… Really FSU?!?” I remember at that time wondering if we would hold on to him but I can’t remember who it was. Anyone?
MEJr.?
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by Blue Horseshoe on Feb 2, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I'm pissed that Dante Fowler cost us...
the opportunity to get Leonard Williams….
Neither of them...
…would have started for FSU in the next 2 years anyways.
Better to bring in top talent who will see the field sooner or later, rather than being 100 deep at a position for class ranking. I think not getting Williams and Fowler, means we’ll have room in 2013 for another Mario Edwards-level DE to redshirt and prime for future seasons. Sometimes the short sight costs us in the long-run.
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But we could have more fully put ourselves in the running had we known the truth
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 12:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Kiffin's plan for LW is that he'll see PT immediately
FSU couldn’t offer that. #justsayin
Championship!
yea I was thinking the same thing....
It’s always exciting to see what the next recruiting year has in store. I think it’s good to not over fill one position during one year because there will definitely be more “Fowler” type DE’s down the line anyway.
How did you like Miami's haul?
Not trolling, seriously.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
He was asking this specific user
Unless you are him.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 12:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It's cool.
I also wanted to see what everyone else thought. I’ve seen people’s thought on UF’s class, but not much on Miami’s.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
performed well above my expectations.
I still don’t think they will do that well going forward. Once the reality of sanctions hits and their on field performance suffers.
Forgot Flowers too. Definitely would have liked to flip him.
They got a class that could help them compete for the Coastal, which I think is their ceiling anyway.
If the NCAA doesn’t completely drop the hammer on them Golden will keep them respectable and not a team to be overlooked.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
They did about as well as they could have all things considered
The biggest problem they faced imo was that they absolutely had to sign 30+ players, but this year’s class wasn’t all that deep. They got a few great players, and for the rest of the class grabbed the best players that they thought that they could get. They couldn’t afford to go into NSD being uncertain on more than a couple guys, so that probably led to them taking quite a few “safe” guys. And while the class doesn’t compare to either of the other Florida schools, I don’t think anyone outside of Dade County really expected that it would.
Howard was your true
caught in the moment recruit. GJ on recruiting his best friend first, is about all Ill give Miami…ever.
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good class...
Golden closed out strong and I was surprised about Howard. I was more excited about the fact that we took Northrup away from them and how deep FSU’s class was. But I did tell you all about Golden and his ability to recruit so that feels good to know I was proven right about something. Golden took some good players from Va Tech and a good one from Louisville but they still have some work to do.
Now I understand AUs Trooper Taylor...
When he said NSD would be like “Christmas Morning” for the tigers.
I can’t count the times I would open some big, promising looking present under the tree only to find out it was just some new socks or underwear.
Sorry Trooper, but there is no Red Rider BB-Gun, wrapped and hidden from sight in the corner behind the chair. LOL
Someone elae said it well
What we don’t know is TT is such a giving spirit he gets the most joy from watching others open their presents.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 12:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I still have trouble believing
Trooper Taylor is not a nickname given to some coach by a rival team’s fans.
Hate that I cannot click links on SB app
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 4:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you can click on iPhone app and it brings it up
by nolesdude on Feb 2, 2012 6:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I am unenlightened about this Trooper Taylor thing. Can someone learn me?
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by SteadfastNole on Feb 2, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Shanks is 334, not 314
Jimbo said this in his presser. Said he had a flat stomach at 334.
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Good thing Jimbo is always accurate in those settings
Heard he was 330 elsewhere as well. Cant imagine thats all good weight.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 12:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Saw a pic that agrees with what you said
Having said that, he’s probably at least 300 worth of good weight.
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posted LATE last night about Winston
Was chatting up Darby and others via twitter all day, watching everyone get caught up in the NLI fracas~
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Was Noor the guy who reminded me of Carlton Banks?
I named my first born "Bud Elliott". She will thank me when she is older~
#rememberthefive
He is a close friend of Jameis.
Maybe it is the salesman in me, but when i have a customer that says he is going to give me an order and he starts pushing back the date I know I have a problem on my hands, even while the whole time he is telling me things are fine.
Could be wrong but the longer this goes the worse it is for FSU.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
by Blue Horseshoe on Feb 2, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
He hasn’t pushed back the date though. This has been a known situation for a while.
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ok...i thought originally it was the day after NSD.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Feb 2, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Was supposed to be two days after Signing Day, Friday, like the article says. Then the article throws out randomly next Wednesday, supported by a passing and joking comment he made about wanting to stay at the all-star game as long as he could. ESPN is trolling and trying to stir up drama where there is none, IMO
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He says
in the televised interview, Friday, then Saturday and then if not then next Wed. fwiw
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7527910
I still believe he’s solid, hell he says he is. Just hate the extra week to get worked on, but Bama worked on him for a year and he didn’t flinch. Sooner the better imo.
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Didn’t see that, thanks. I agree with all your points too. MLB is our only competition now.
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He may really be as solid as he says, but
Fowler said the same thing. And Winston has had weeks to prepare for NSD…how can it take several extra days to sign and fax an LOI?
Something about this story isn’t ringing true.
Wants to get family together
He’s been honest the whole time. No reason to doubt his word. Let’s just trust him. Because Fowler pulled some sh*t doesn’t mean that we are gonna not trust any commit ever again does it?
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 3:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I didn't trust them before Fowler.
They’re 18 year old kids. I wouldn’t trust them to commit to their favorite flavor of ice cream for more than 5 minutes.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Then no sense following recruiting if u discount everything every one of them says
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 4:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think one could argue that way too many people...
…spend way too much time hanging on every word that comes out of these kids’ mouths.
I don't discount it,
but I don’t get shocked when they change their minds, either. Fowler doesn’t count as changing his mind, he flat out lied and played the game.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Winston hasn’t even visited SU. He wants to have a ceremony with his grandma at home to send his LOI. He hasn’t taken pictures wearing any other jersey. He’s actively recruiting for FSU. This is not anything like Fowler.
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On the front page
and Twitter verse, He will sign tomorrow 1230.
Stay away MLB
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We'll see
It makes no difference to anybody whether I trust Winston or not (and so far I have no reason not to), I just find it odd that Winston has delayed his signing when 99.9% of the high school players find a way to get their LOIs in on time.
This is what I hold onto for hope.
He’s actively recruiting for FSU
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by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Observation: It's funny how things change in a few years.
Let me start out by saying that I am thrilled with this class, I am thrilled with each and every player we got, and I am thrilled with the job done by all the coaches.
Now back to my point. Just a few years ago we were criticizing the coaching staff for leaving our backyard and going OOS for recruits. We wrote stories about how important it was to lock down our state and how recruiting OOS is usually a losing proposition, and how often OOS players wind up leaving for various reasons including homesickness.
Well look at me now Ma.
11 out of our 16 high school recruits (12 out of 17 counting Winston) come from out of state. They come from all over the country including the Northeast and the West Coast.
I’m not saying we would have hung Bowden in effigy for bringing in this class, but I am sure there are some who would have criticized him for not locking down his backyard, yet we cannot say enough good things about the job this staff has done.
Those that have been around know that I am not a Bowdenista, far from it, but I find it humorous how quickly we can change our opinion based on our feelings for our staff and our perception of the job they are doing.
I am fully aware of the so called 5 hour radius around Tallahassee for recruiting. I understand that we got some of the top players in the country for the positions we needed most. There is no doubt we done good, that is not the point.
Again, I am thrilled with the players and coaches, and I am not criticizing the fact that 70% of this class is from OOS. I just happen to be one of those with a long memory and cannot help but observe how our (mine included) thought process has changed in the past couple of years. I guess getting these highly rated players will do that to you.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I believe it is different
This staff did it out of necessity, the last staff almost had to do it since they were already so far behind in state.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 1:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
And taking a smaller class as well, i would think (I never count JCs in that OOS mix).
by FSU on Feb 2, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
There are some
fair criticisms I think. For instance, people don’t take into account the shock factor of uprooting and moving to a new city. Prestwood is a bad example because he didn’t really seem to have his heart set on FSU, but there have been other that have transferred to be closer to home. I think we should recognize talent but also consider – if we don’t get results we expect this coming year, it’s going not going to be feasible to keep bringing in top OOS classes.
by StM on Feb 2, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think another thing to take in account is that the state of Florida was down this year recruit wise.
Next year is supposed to be pretty good, but it was tossed around a few times that Florida was down this year.
I also think it's possible FLA recruiting was simply down in 2012
I saw a list of SEC schools recruits by state and was surprised to see Georgia out performing Florida.
I understand the point you are trying to make, but the small class and relatively weak FL crop of athletes made it somewhat of a necessity to go out of state. Also, I don’t think any of Bowden’s classes came close to touching the caliber that this class has. And if they came close, a decent amount of the players would not have qualified.
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I've seen some comments around comparing FSU fans' reaction to the Fowler switch and our reaction to the Northrup flip, saying it's hypocritical.
Just thought I’d point out that Northrup clearly had flipping as his intent, so much so that Miami started offering other LBs to take his spot. Seems Northrup was at least honest with the coaching staffs regarding his choice, if not the media.
Difference in decisions was the 11th hour after previously saying your coming….Rather than Im not sure or Im looking. Don’t mind the flip, mind how he handled it. Apparently his father, feels the same way – the timing of it
by FSU on Feb 2, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly my point.
I understand reporters and commenters not wanting to bash a HS kid (Fowler), but to say his flip is equal to Northrup’s is dishonest and a little unfair to Northrup.
Boils down as simple as this
Northup never did half the things Fowler did. The two situations are completely different.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 3:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'll post a comment noone made yet...
The ACC field must be crapping in their pants right now. The year of hurt has already begun. What? Loosing to Wake, Clemson, Virginia? WTF
The ACC will refuse to fear us until we go full scorched Earth on em
Hope that happens this fall.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 2:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree..FSU needs to get back to DESTROYING conference foes when it can.
The ACC looks down it’s snobby nose at us whether we win or lose….Time for P-A-I-N.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Feb 2, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions

OOOOOOOOOH WWWAAADAAAAA RUUUUUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We play 3 of ESPN's top 10 recruiting classes
Every year.
At least our strength of schedule will be fine.
Disagree
Our SOS last year was ranked 68th per FEI. I expect it to be worse this year without OU and proably dropping WVU. It’s starting to look like we won’t play a single team that finished in last years F/+ top 20. Unless you think the ACC/UF make dramatic leaps forward this year, we will have one of the worst 15-20 BCS conference schedules.
We will play VT, Clemson, and Florida
We’ll be fine. No way we’re above 100.
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 2, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Feel very good about this class and hopes are high. However I’m gonna be the debbie downer and just say I’m waiting to start crowning us champs. Plenty other schools have elite talent and we had top 5 recruiting classes during that lost decade, so let’s just see what happens in the summer and fall.
It's understandable that the lost decade talk/comparisons haven't died.
Pre-season hype followed by 9-4 will do that. Here’s the basic fundamental difference as I see it:
Lost decade teams went 9-4 with their best players and neutral luck. This team went 9-4 with a lot of backups and awful luck.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 2, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Look at you with all the optimism
I like it.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 3:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
question though, it looks like the line is the strength of the class. If that is true, could they compete for PT this year? like alongside Timmy J?
I mean, they can compete
But I don’t see anyone but MEJ and possibly Casher breaking into the rotation.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 4:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yea I know we’re a lot better than those teams, just don’t want to spend 8 months talking smack to my gator buddies only to watch our EJ over throw a WR and the D give up a 3rd and 15. Just saying it’s more than just “stars”, but i’ll be positive. Definitely most excited about Edwards.
Tell your Gator friends to beat Jimbo
Then they can talk.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 4:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No doubt about what you're saying
I was checking out Rivals’ ratings of our 2002 class and noticed that, by average star rating, it was definitely every bit as strong as this one on paper or better. What did we do with it over the next 5 years? 10-3, 9-3, 8-5, 7-6, 7-6. There really are some good teams out there and we have a lot of work to do.
Closed Italics attempt?
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FSU is intent on rejoining the CFB elite,
that requires requiting elite players, no matter what state they are from. Makes no sense focusing on Florida kids because we want to lock down our back yard. Elite programs have national recognition and we should parlay that whenever we can. By all means focus on the top Florida players, but take the best wherever we find them.

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