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Some Thoughts on Signing Day for the Rest of the ACC

I won't claim to be a recruiting expert, but, since I didn't see it anywhere else, I figured I'd post some thoughts on how the rest of the ACC did in recruiting today. If nothing else, perhaps it will spark a discussion about the competition. Please, any true recruiting experts feel free to weigh in.

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Boston College - A small class filled with more sleepers and developmental prospects. Close to a strikeout on the defensive line. Don't know how this class helps Spaziani keep his job.

Clemson - Another good class for Clemson and Dabo Swinney. It perhaps lacks the sex appeal of Clemson's 2011 class, but the Tigers did a solid job loading up in the trenches. Travis Blanks is the consensus top recruit in this class, but DT Carlos Watkins might have been the most critical recruit in the bunch.

Duke - Duke is Duke, and nothing about this class looks like it will change that paradigm. Does that mean these are bad players or that this is a bad class? No, I suppose not by Duke standards. It just means that there were no home runs and a lot of developmental prospects. Duke is Duke.

Georgia Tech - It's not unusual for the Yellow Jackets to dwell near the bottom of conference recruiting rankings, thanks to their academic situation. This year is no different. Still, with all the talent in Georgia and in neighboring Florida, shouldn't they at least be landing a few more studs? Surely there have to be a few more four stars out there that want to be engineers.

Maryland - Signing day is supposed to be the day of great hope for fans - the day a 4 star is measured for his jacket for Canton; the day a 3 star that nobody else offered is a secret diamond in the rough that everyone else will regret missing on. So my apologies to Terps fans, but any way you slice it this has to be viewed as a disaster for Maryland. This is how they're going to improve on Ralph Friedgen? What should make this truly difficult for Terps fans is that there was some elite talent to be had in Maryland and DC this year. According to Rivals, there were nine 4 and 5 star recruits in the state of Maryland and the District of Columbia. Maryland landed one of them -- and didn't seem to be too close with many of the ones they missed out on. Oh, and only three of the 17 Rivals 3-stars from the state of Maryland signed with the in-state school. (This shouldn't come as a surprise to those that have been following Randy Edsall's career; he had big time trouble keeping in-state elite talent when he was at UConn - he eventually blamed the state's high school coaches for not making a big enough effort to reach out to him.) Bringing in Mike Locksley to recruit should help, but will it be too late for Edsall?

Miami - Are the Hurricanes stocking up on row after row of elite talent? Perhaps not yet enough to predict national titles in their immediate future, but us FSU fans should be careful not to misconstrue "not as elite as FSU's class" as "not a good class." Let's be fair: the truth is that Miami put together the best class in the ACC Coastal division and a national top 10 class as ranked by all the major recruiting services. As long as South Florida continues to churn out recruits, Miami is going to have the talent to be in the upper end of the ACC. Now that Al Golden has loaded up on bodies, however, he perhaps needs to show next season that he can produce a more targeted, elite level class. While it didn't seem like Miami won many battles this year where they were up against FSU and UF for recruits those programs really wanted, Golden's ability to close on Tracy Howard was a shot across the bow of the Seminoles and Gators that the Hurricanes can't be completely disregarded. Oh, one other thing: what's with taking 3 QBs? Does anyone really think that's going to work out well?

North Carolina - It is always tough for a new coach to piece/keep together a class in just a few weeks, but Larry Fedora did a solid job. They landed some nice QB prospects and did well on the offensive line. Not special, but not the disaster it could have been. It will be key for Fedora next season to land some elite size on the defensive line and find some difference makers at the offensive skill positions.

NC State - Given that there was talk of Tom O'Brien being on the hot seat much of last year, it isn't a total surprise that the Wolfpack's class is sleeper-heavy. Plus it isn't like O'Brien has a history of bringing home elite recruiting classes anyway. No real home run prospects for NC State fans to hang their hopes on. Still, the class is decent on numbers and should provide some needed depth in the trenches.

Virginia - This is a solid class, but after the recruiting work Mike London did last year and the year the Cavaliers had on the field, I could understand if Virginia fans might be a little disappointed that the program didn't take the recruiting up another notch. London did a good job loading up on the offensive line, but the defensive line class seriously lacks size. And while UVA loaded up on offensive skill position players, none of them really jumps out as likely to be a serious difference maker early on. Only time will tell. While the Virginia Tech "empire" struck back a bit this year, there was enough turmoil in the Mid-Atlantic this year that maybe the Cavaliers could have made a bit more noise.

Virginia Tech - The Hokies did a solid job retaking the higher ground in the state of Virginia. This is a classic Virginia Tech class in that it is in that top 25 range nationally but isn't going to blow anyone away. They didn't really land truly special players in the trenches, and so I doubt that this will be the class to take Tech from consistently good to finally great.

Wake Forest - Wake Forest does what Wake Forest does: line up 3 star sleepers, hit the state of Florida hard, and hope that the developmental process that Jim Grobe has in place pays off in the future. They just can't seem to recruit the kind of size on the defensive line that would change the paradigm for them, but if being a solid team that is regularly in reach of a bowl (with strategic scheduling) is the goal, then this class probably fits in well.

So, everyone else...agree? disagree?

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Appreciate the write up ...

Though I haven’t looked as in depth as you (hence one reason I enjoyed the write-up), it appears to be spot on from what I have seen.

by txnole on Feb 2, 2012 4:01 AM EST reply actions  

Nice post

I haven’t looked much at what our ACC brethren did in recruiting, but this seems like a pretty well thought out summary. And I agree that FSU fans shouldn’t sleep on Miami. In spite of their problems, structural and legal (NCAA), I can help thinking of that famous quote from Mark Twain: “Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.”

Is the poster known as FSU actually Terry Saban? And why does TN not want you to know?

by csfuu on Feb 2, 2012 8:41 AM EST reply actions  

Miami needs a closer look

Miami took three very lowly rated DTs and three really small LBs, but then took 8 DBs! What the hell do you need 8 DBs for? That’s not a recipie for success on D. I would say that they would likely move one of the five DEs they landed to DT, but all of those guys are tiny except for Hamilton. I’m not sure how this class improves their D, except their secondary with Howard and Bush. Howard and Bush can’t cover for 12 seconds though while these grossly undersized front seven attempts to get to the QB.

Their offensive class is better. Two very good OL, six WRs (surely a couple of these guys will be studs) and three QBs to pick one very good one from. Duke Johnson is a 5*, but the guy is a midget and will not have much success against teams with big physical front sevens (I know at least one team like that, do you?). Johnson got hit once in that Under Armor game and he looked like he wasn’t going to get up. How do you think he’ll feel around week 8 when he plays FSU and gets hit much, much harder about 30 times.

by NoleOrNever on Feb 2, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Good info

Thanks for the details on Miami’s class. FWIW, I didn’t mean to say that I’m not optimistic about our chances against Miami for at least the next few years, because I am. However, some fans seem to think that Miami has become Duke2 or something, and I don’t think that’s reasonable, at least not yet (and maybe never, depending on what the NCAA does).

Is the poster known as FSU actually Terry Saban? And why does TN not want you to know?

by csfuu on Feb 2, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

True, true

One of the things I really like about Jimbo though, is that he has done a good job managing the Miami and UF games the past two years, even though they have been down years for UF in particular. It’s nice to be able to point to wins in those two games, regardless of what else happens, and I’m pretty sure Jimbo gets that.

BTW, glad to have you on board NR, and glad you’ve stuck.

Is the poster known as FSU actually Terry Saban? And why does TN not want you to know?

by csfuu on Feb 2, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, we'll lose to the Canes again Nole Res.

No one is saying otherwise. It won’t happen often and unfortunately, if your a Canes fan, your team will still lose 4-5 other games that season so the FSU win won’t mean very much.

by NoleOrNever on Feb 2, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Look who's talking.

“your team will still lose 4-5 other games that season.” Beating in-state rivals, top recruiting class year in and out. Sounds familiar… No matter where either team is it will always be a competitive game.

by JuniorCane on Feb 3, 2012 10:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think 2011 was UM's best shot.

Not sure it’s going to be so uber competitive in the coming years. Especially with the plethora of NCAA sanctions looming.

"Ah, F*ck it"-Lee Corso

by Chief03 on Feb 3, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Well lets see.

It was Golden’s first year playing with Shannon’s players.The only bright spot on the team was the offense. Defense was atrocious. It’s going to be vice versa this year in my opinion. The defense should be better, especially the secondary. Depth on defense isn’t looking too good unless someone steps up in the Spring. The offense is going to take a hit with Miller gone, hopefully Mike James/Eduardo Clements can be effective.

“Especially with the plethora of NCAA sanctions looming.”

You work for the NCAA? Tell me more.

by JuniorCane on Feb 4, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

the "bright spot" for your game in Tallahassee this season

was the reply official. Did Golden sign him?

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Feb 4, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Canes will be disciplined, well coached and organized. I just don’t think they’ll be deep enough in the near future. But is a rivalry game and in addition if either team loses a starting QB, all bets are off

by FSU on Feb 5, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

45-17 says hi...
No matter where either team is it will always be a competitive game.

Oh, and don’t think 2011 was anywhere near as competitive as the score said…
#GoddamnRefs

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by DRusso97 on Feb 4, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

2011 was 50/50

Don’t act like we got all of the calls, you guys got a couple of calls too. Besides the fumble return (I still don’t think that he had possession), what else could of contributed to the score? 2011 was competitive in my opinion; no one could score much, and both defenses made stops. I’m surprised Miami put up 350+ of offense on your defense.

by JuniorCane on Feb 5, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not an act.

Given the inexplicably reversed clear catch and fumble call (-7 for FSU) at the onset and your getting the ball (plus an ejection, nullifying an interception) and a subsequent undeserved 7 at the end after Bradham’s perfectly clean and deliciously painful hit, I’m thinking this is the wrong board on which to try to make a case for the calls “evening out.”

The Bradham stick was a classic that shouldn’t have been all that pivotal except for Miami’s first gift. When you are forced to spot a rival 14 and are still able to beat them, that’s a good day, but excuse us if we still feel a bit screwed.

Now, what calls are you going to point to that might make up for 14 gift points + an ejection crap?

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Feb 5, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo

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by DRusso97 on Feb 5, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

OK.

I didn’t see a catch, I saw a player trying to gain control of the ball. You may feel the refs were wrong, but that was the best call they made in that game. There’s nothing else to say. Besides bad officiating, you guys were the better team but I was just clarifying my point that the game was competitive.

by JuniorCane on Feb 5, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the point of contention is that the score seems more competitive than it actually was because of the change of momentum caused by the officials interjecting themselves (ie. the ejection) in cases that lead to points on the board or taken off the board.

by FSU on Feb 5, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't know very many Canes fans, do you??
unfortunately, if your a Canes fan, the FSU win won’t mean very much.

The chatter would be un-f[]_[]cking-bearable….

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by DRusso97 on Feb 4, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Right and wrong.

The 3 LBs you must be talking about are Witt, Blue, and Terry. Gabriel Terry is a wrestler so he has to keep his weight down. He abused Avery Young when their teams played. Blue is listed at 210 but looks bigger in person, and Witt is 220. I was confused about taking 7 DBs also, but it’s probably a backup plan in case we lose a lot of scholarships. And our current DBs suck, just speed and can’t cover anything. Howard is going to start, Bush may start when Golden & Co. figure out what position S/CB?, Crawford is speedy and can cover very well, Hope has the most potential, Dortch I believe really shouldn’t have been in this class, Davis is an unknown as I haven’t seen him play at CB but have heard good info that he can, Gunter will probably start opposite of Howard as he has experience in JUCO. We only landed 2 DE, McCord is a LB. 2 of the 3 DT are 300+ except Moore, so what are you talking about? “but all of those guys are tiny except for Hamilton” Those guys won’t be starting so “Howard and Bush can’t cover for 12 seconds though while these grossly undersized front seven attempts to get to the QB.” is inaccurate.

Offensive lineman are good. The WR are the most underrated position in my opinion. Louis, and Lockhart will start sometime in the season. 3 QBs, different attributes. Dewey is the Pro-Style QB, Thompson is the more athletic Tebow-type, and I don’t know where Crow fits. His size is good though at 6’3 230. Johnson got right back up and almost returned a kickoff. He’s not that small at 5’9 1/2 at 188.

by JuniorCane on Feb 2, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Miami is always on the cusp of greatness during the off-season, and hopes are high

Then those pesky “games played on Saturday” come around, and all 12 Miami fans in the stadium are left with shattered dreams, and massive traffic jams caused by multiple fire trucks in route to put out the dumpster fire(s).

"Ah, F*ck it"-Lee Corso

by Chief03 on Feb 2, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont know that your comment was merited.

He didnt say anything for such a response. He provided some insight (with a potential for homerism sure) into their class.

"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum

by Miaminole on Feb 2, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry ma'am.

I will try to be more sensitive to the Miami fans and their plight from now on.

"Ah, F*ck it"-Lee Corso

by Chief03 on Feb 3, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

gender joke

nice response.

We like it when level headed comments are written here from the opposition. It encourages dialogue. Your comment on the other hand, didnt bring anything to the table besides a poorly written reference about a dumpster fire.

"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum

by Miaminole on Feb 5, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I would hope so.

Unless y’all are gonna run a 4 TE set. Didn’t you lose nearly the whole recieving core from last year?

Louis, and Lockhart will start sometime in the season.

Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.

by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Streeter was Hankerson-lite. Tall, fast, good hands, but showed up against lesser competition. We’ll miss Travis Benjamin more in my opinion. LaRon Byrd was a non-factor. Chase Ford, just like Jimmy Graham, decided to wait until he left Miami to show that he was good. Blake Ayles never touched the field. I honestly like the potential receiving core this year. Hurns*, Dorsett*, Scott*, Jean-Louis*, Lewis (TB3 replacement), Jones, Lockhart* and Carter.

by JuniorCane on Feb 2, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

JC - Let's discuss your post in more detail

“Blue is listed at 210, but looks bigger in person” – OK, cool man. He looks big so he must be…

You were confused about taking 7 DBs. That’s good because now you’re making sense.

You heard good info that Davis can play CB. Again, very good intel. Glad you heard that. Since you heard it, surely it must be true.

A 300+ DT must be awesome. I clearly “don’t know what I’m talking about”. Every 300+ lb. DT is an All-American. There are 200 All-American DTs every year in college football. A guy must be great if he weighs 300+ lbs regardless of what programs are heavily recruiting him. Clearly I don’t know what I’m talking about.

Take off the glasses dude. UM got some good players, but at a minimum, half of their class was crap that would play at USF and UCF. Try being honest with yourself.

by NoleOrNever on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently you don't know what you're talking about.

You said we took 5 DE when we only took 2. Yup, every 300+ lbs DT is awesome :). I was just making my point that our LB are not that small as you insinuate. Don’t be silly. I’ve seen Davis play and he’s great, just never seen him at corner. I’ll take my sources over your opinion. I’m very honest with myself. They would play at USF and UCF but they’re not, they’re at UM. You don’t just get any kid, you get someone who fits the scheme and Golden feels that they do. Enlighten me, who exactly would play at USF?

by JuniorCane on Feb 3, 2012 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It really breaks down to this

If you think the Canes beat out LSU, Alabama, UGA, FSU, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Texas, USCw and UF for all the guys in your class, then good for you. There’s really nothing else I can say.

by NoleOrNever on Feb 3, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Never said that.

You and I both know that that’s not the case. Those schools have appeal, resources, and have won in the past 5 years, not including FSU. Miami has no stadium, a 6-6 record, and has never won the ACC. All Miami can sell is playing time and getting drafted; so I’d say that Golden is doing well under those circumstances.

by JuniorCane on Feb 3, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to admit that I was very impressed with the job Golden did this year

there are some “non-Cane” recruits that Miami took this year, but hey, they desperately needed CBs, and the got them (think they should play Bush opposite Howard as the second CB), they needed a QB and they got Dewey who I think is decent/better than what they have. I wonder if Jean-Louis will qualify (wasn’t there talk about his grades?)

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by JaviLouis on Feb 3, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

There was a need for CBs

but not 7. There is no way Bush starts from the get-go; McGee is a senior and the fastest player in the secondary, he starts. Dewey is good, but he won’t be beating Stephen Morris out for the starting spot. Recently, I heard that he got his grades up.

by JuniorCane on Feb 4, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

We welcome everyone here, but next time you are disrespectful to another member will be the last time you post here.
Apparently you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Attack the comment, not the poster.

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by FrankDNole on Feb 5, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Well done, man.

I live here in Carolina and really the word up here is all about the elite talent leaving the state to go play else where. I saw Keith Marshall RB (UGA Commit) play a few times over at Millbrook High and didn’t I see many if any guys from UNC,DUKE,WAKE, ECU or NC State even takin a look at him. NC isn’t a hot bed like Texas or Florida but we still got a few guys every year that make a splash, and none of the other ACC programs or ECU even make a true effort to establish strong relationships with these guys.

"Ah, F*ck it"-Lee Corso

by Chief03 on Feb 2, 2012 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

I think the teams you spoke of have thrown their hands up.

They feel like they shouldn’t waste their time on a guy they feel they have no chance of signing. The only exception is UNC. I think Fedora will be a good fit there. I like his enthusiasm and I’m sure recruits will, too.

The other schools will never improve until they convince themselved that they can compete for the best in state recruits.

Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.

by Nole Resurrected on Feb 2, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Such improvement may or may not be good for us.

There are arguments pro/con about whether a stronger ACC is good for FSU. But the ACC certainly has enough local talent to have a handful of strong teams.

One of the northern schools could be pretty good. As noted above, the Maryland/DC area has solid talent. Add in nearby PA, and the talent certainly should be enough to feed one strong team.

NC/SC should feed 1-2 strong teams, especially since those areas can poach a few guys from GA and FL.

VA should have one good team.

UM should be pretty good, being in Florida and Miami in particular.

That’s 4-5 good teams outside of FSU. Maybe not national contenders year in/out, but certainly strong enough to raise the ACC’s profile and win some OOC games.

Instead, the good recruits seem to get so spread around – and poached from SEC/Big Ten/etc. schools – that we end up with a conference full of mediocre+ teams.

by Invictus13 on Feb 2, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Same thing happend with that Clemson TE

Dwayne Allen outta Fayettville. Clemson just came in a scooped him up with an ease. UNC offered, as well as FSU and..VT, I think. But UNC had zero chance.

"Ah, F*ck it"-Lee Corso

by Chief03 on Feb 2, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Boston College landed a guy named Win Homer

Don’t know anything about him but that’s an awesome name.

by 38Noles on Feb 2, 2012 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

For what Duke is, I think they did a very good job

They realize how difficult it is to compete with, what, five other in-state FBS schools? So they start to establish themselves out west (they’ve been recruiting consistently in Cali, and have also started to recruit Colorado) while still going after 3 star Florida guys. They are starting to move up and recruit on Wake’s level, which is an improvement.

I think Virginia has the underrated class of the ACC. They got their QB of the future (and he’ll be a good one, I believe in Grayson Lambert who was an EE), got Harold who is an imediate impact for their D, and with Moore, their LB core will be good for years to come.

I was actually looking at Pitt and ‘Quse, out future running mates, and I have to say, Pitt scares me. They’re in a very good recruiting area, and with Bostad as their O-line coach (though I had heard rumors of him and the Chicago Bears) their O-line will be nasty once he develops his guys. Their recruiting will pick up significantly in the future and will be ready for ACC play off the bat IMO.

Syracuse did what they do, recruit 3 and 2 stars potential guys. Their o-line needs serious work (well, a lot about ‘Quse needs work). It’ll be interesting to see if their move to the ACC will help them re-establish dominance in Jersey and Pennsylvania which they used to have, which they will absolutely need to compete in the ACC. If they can’t (and can’t keep their top in-state guys home)….ouch.

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by JaviLouis on Feb 3, 2012 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

Chryst didn’t do much to add to Pitt’s class, but he kept some of the key components of what was left. You are right, they are in a good area – in addition to Western PA they should be in prime position in Eastern Ohio. I wonder how good Chryst will be as a recruiter. He’s not thought of as a terribly charismatic guy. Interestingly, for all their success on the field, Wisconsin is almost never ranked very high in recruiting (usually ranked toward the bottom of the conference).

As for Syracuse, Marrone has shown himself to be a solid coach, but not a good recruiter. Their talent level will be at or near the bottom of the conference when they join the ACC – as in Duke level. That’s why in Marrone’s third year they struggled even to put away teams like Rhode Island and Tulane.

by whodoes on Feb 4, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Wisconsin was in on its best ever class befor the coaching changes.

Not sure how much Chryst was a part of that upswing.

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by JaviLouis on Feb 4, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  


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