Still on top: Noles end Cane's winning streak 64-59
by Michael Rogner on Feb 11, 2012 3:30 PM EST
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PrintWith UNC beating Virginia, the Seminoles needed to knock off the hottest team in the ACC in order to remain tied atop the conference standings. And they did just that, using suffocating defense to defeat the Hurricanes 64-59 in a 65 possession game. FSU (17-7, 8-2) held Miami (15-8, 6-4) to 5-23 (22%) shooting from deep, and forced turnovers on 23% of their possessions. The 0.91 points they scored per possession is the 2nd fewest since the return of center Reggie Johnson 14 games ago. FSU fronted Johnson all game, even out beyond 15', and did a great job preventing him from ever touching the ball. He scored a season low 4 points. Point guard Shane Larkin had arguably the worst game of his career, scoring 5 points on 1-9 shooting. He had one assist and two turnovers.
The game was close in the final minutes because of missed FTs. FSU made 5-9 down the stretch, and missed the front end of a 1-and-1. But the defense was elite, forcing Miami to burn clock and put up contested shots.
FSU's offense was plagued by careless turnovers (24.6%, right about their season average) including 7 from Bernard James. Still, the Noles were able to take advantage of Reggie Johnson's immobility by pounding the ball in to James, as Johnson doesn't have the quickness to play in front of James. Bernard scored 18 points and added six boards and four blocks. Michael Snaer (12) and Ian Miller (11) were also in double figures, and Luke Loucks played an exceptional game on both ends of the floor. He finished with 7 points, 6 assists, 6 rebounds, 2 steals and 0 turnovers.
FSU gets to stay home, where they're 5-0 in the ACC, to take on Virginia Tech on Thursday.
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The turnovers were crazy.
On the Gamecast it was like Miami Turnover-FSU turnover- Miami Turnover a couple of times.
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Justin Blackmon
Anybody know why Justin was at the game today? They announced that he was in the house at the game.
I think he will end up in Jax
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 11, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
yeah that was weird
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by AustinPowers on Feb 11, 2012 5:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
because
He won the Biletnikoff, as in Fred Biletnikoff, fsu WR for which the award is named after.
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 11, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Kreft had a nice game as well
He didn’t play much (cant remember seeing him in 2nd half), but the few minutes he played in the first half were very solid.
Miller…excited about what his game will look like next year.
Anyone else anticipating a three guard lineup again next year?
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 11, 2012 3:53 PM EST reply actions
agreed
But somewhat nervous about all the size we are losing, especially for defense.
by warrick9 on Feb 11, 2012 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
We know Snaer, Miller and Okaro will put up points next year….then what?
Shannon will help inside….a lot, but unless Space and Turpin have a huge summer, the trees are looking slim.
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 11, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
yep.
And I feel like space isn’t really a big man anyway, though he may be forced to play some minutes at the 4.
by warrick9 on Feb 11, 2012 5:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gilchrist is coming in from JC
Gil at 6-8
Shannon at 6-8
White at 6-8
Space at 6-7
Turpin at 7-0
That would be our bigs next year…..I’m guessing Whisnant, Snaer, Miller, Shannon and White are starting next year…..maybe there is another transfer down the road this summer, ala Peterson.
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 11, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
We should have 2
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 11, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
sounds like a good guess at the starters
Miller at PG.. could be some growing pains there too.
by warrick9 on Feb 11, 2012 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Part of our signing class is the #11 ranked PG...per Rivals
Not sure if Ham would have Miller on the point.
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 11, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
It'd be nice if Peterson had another year
PG…..not sure what we’ll do there.
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 11, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Should be some drop off for sure since Turpin will be coming in without any game XP @ the ACC/college level..
OTOH he should be fine but there is no real depth there although Shannon may be versatile enough to play 4 or 5. White is looking better at the 4 .. he needs to work on his handle and get better at 3’s over the summer if he wants to play the 3 better.
White was the 5 at end of game when we went with 4 guards. I think lot more 3-4 guards next year. It has worked out better for them personnel wise this year and is something they have done in past years.
Haven’t seen enough of Space to form an opinion…the belief here is Turpin, Shannon and White will be a good basis for next year but to be really good someone else will need to contribute in the block as well.
It’s awesome to have a Kreft available to come off the bench he posted up well against Johnson and will be one of those guys who blows up in the NBA perhaps.
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Love
how lots of people that play us have career worst nights… Go Go D! Now if only rookie QBs that play us don’t have career best outings :/
just to follow up on Loucks...
he had 4 assists and 0 turnovers against B,C, so that’s 10 assists and 0 turnovers in the last 2 games. Now, if he could just hit some free throws!!!
We take care of VaTech on Thursday, and I am going to allow myself a little dreaming about what city we’ll start in at a certain mad tournament in March…
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Ouch
Images of BC still hurt.
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 11, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
and one other bit of good news...
just one more game on the herky-jerky ESPN3 (NCState). The rest are ESPN, ESPN2, or ESPNU.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
I'm okay w/ 3-3 over our last six conference games....but 2-4 would hurt.
Vatech
@NCST
Duke
@UM
@UVA
Clemson
Would love to see us steal a couple of those road games.
3-3 = 11-5
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 11, 2012 4:50 PM EST reply actions
Obviously, another seven game winning streak would have me dumping assets, getting divorced and camping in New Orleans
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 11, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe Clemson will have tossed in the towel (on the regular season at least), and the
last game will be a freebie win.
Not that the Noles should be scared of Clemson, but a win’s a win.
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I thought BC was a freebie win....
Oops
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by CornNole on Feb 11, 2012 5:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was...
…but they had the night of their collective careers. It was not a knock on FSU’s abilities, as much as it was that BC just got all the bounces.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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man, guys, I had already almost forgotten about that game!!!
…actually, not really. still stings.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
If the Vols can hold on and beat UF
And UF goes 0-2 this week….that’ll help the stinging.
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 11, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Vols win 75-70
Its been a great day!!
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 11, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
You just made my day !
I didn’t know the frogs were playing.
Clemson - no need to worry?
Well, our 2 ACC losses have been to the 2 worst teams in the conference. Plenty of reason to worry if you ask me. Anything’s possible in this conference. We need to focus on VT right now. One game at a time. Go NOLES!
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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They've also both been on the road
I think we annihilate Clemson at the tail of the season
vs VATech
@ NC State
vs Duke
@ Miami
@ UVA
vs Clemson
I’d really like to win out.
Lose the first game of the ACC championship
And then win the next 6
FSU gave away its freebie to BC. To me, they must beat Virginia Tech and Clemson at home. They need to get at least a split in that 4 game rough stretch in between. Yes, they could get in the tourney without all that, but I don’t think the goal is or should be “just get in the tourney.” Nor should it be to get an 8 seed or similar. With the talent on the team and the wins against Duke and UNC already under their belt, anything less than 12-4 in the ACC at this point would be disappointing.
what was our shooting percentage?
It seems like we have shot horribly over the past two games. Air balls from the perimeter and bricks in the paint have really stood out.
However, great job on defense and good game management by Louks.
We just need to shoot a little better and I think we can go a long way this year.
by patriotnole on Feb 11, 2012 5:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Thanks
That’s higher than I would have guessed.
I just know that many shots from the perimeter are way off, but what frustrates me the most are the point blank shots that are just thrown up seemingly w/o any intention to actually put it in the hole. We seem to rush our shots in the paint rather than gathering ourselves and taking the ball up strong.
Aslo,we were 40% against BC (25% from 3).
an air ball counts the same as a rim out
(it looked worse to me too)
I accept Process...as long as it yields immediate beneficial results.
little chuckle here
5/16 is 31%
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
by SalmonNole on Feb 11, 2012 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Littler Chuckle Back...
….they were two separate stats.
A. 46% Field Goal Percentage.
2. 5-15 from beyond the 3-point Arc
D. No argument on your math bud, but no chuckle needed.
MCMXCIX. Go Seminoles.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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by fsutampaguy on Feb 11, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
still, a chuckle now and then is good stuff
I accept Process...as long as it yields immediate beneficial results.
Bummer you didn’t get a chuckle out of my mistake
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by SalmonNole on Feb 12, 2012 12:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I preface this by saying I am no fan of Mike Patrick's play-by-play, but, I was just
watching the Duke-Maryland game, and as they broke for commercial with about 2 minutes to go and Duke comfortably ahead, Patrick was heard saying, “…and when the day is finished, The Big Three will still be on top.”
So that’s something.
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Awesome
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 11, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
and Duke does indeed win to refashion the 3-way logjam at the top of the standings.
Miles Plumlee with 22 boards, by the way.
Duke 8-2 21-4
North Carolina 8-2 21-4
Florida State 8-2 17-7
North Carolina St. 7-3 18-7
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Tough paths to finishing atop the ACC.
Easiest Path:
Duke’s Remaining Opponent’s Records:
ACC: 22-28 (.440)
Overall: 71-52 (.577)
Middle Path:
FSU’s Remaining Opponent’s Records:
ACC: 27-22 (.551)
Overall: 79-42 (.653)
Toughest Path:
UNC’s Remaining Opponent’s Records:
ACC: 29-21 (.580)
Overall: 80-41 (.661)
The fact that Duke gets Wake, BC, and VT all but assures them NO WORSE than an 11-win ACC Season.
The fact that FSU draws Clemson means FSU should get to the much-needed 9 wins, but games @Miami, @Virginia, @NC State, and home against the Devils, means FSU will have to fight just to get 10 and possibly 11, with some luck.
The fact that UNC draws games @Miami, @NC State, @Virginia, and @Duke, means UNC will be praying they can make it to 12 this year. As of now, they’ll be lucky to get to 11.
Bottom line – it’s looking like Duke gets to 12 with no problems, and 13 isn’t out of the question. FSU should get to 10, MAYBE 11 with some luck. UNC will finish 3rd this year, at 10-6 or 11-5.
NC State has a gauntlet the next 3 games, so depending on how they fare, they could get into this conversation as well…but I doubt it. It’s down to Duke and FSU.
February 23rd will be OUR conference’s March Madness, a week early.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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by fsutampaguy on Feb 12, 2012 12:07 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
interesting info there!
And let’s not count out that Middle Path as a way to achieve liberation. It worked for the Buddha.
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Really want to thank you and TN
for exceptional insight and coverage.
I accept Process...as long as it yields immediate beneficial results.
Agree with you there.
Thanks to everyone at TN for the FSU b ball coverage. No site even comes close to the insight you guys bring.
by fsunole23 on Feb 12, 2012 1:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rogner
All Rogner. TrueCubbie is a good guy, but Rogner takes it to the nextlevel
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Visiting my daughter who goes to school in SoCal
Just booked my flights. Leaving Thur the 16th w/ a crazy early flight so I can catch the VaTech game @ 4pm pst….should be getting in around lunch time.
Coming home the following Thur w/ another dark thirty am flight. Should be on my couch an hour or so before we tipoff w/ Duke.
Hoping the weather coopperates on the following two Thursdays….cant have any weather delays, or all of my 3am wake up calls are a waste. Would love some direct flights from Jax to SD…..
Damn, its kind of sad I booked a trip I’ve been looking forward to around hoops. My daughter is going to call me out when I have her meet me at the sports bar I’ll be watching the Tech game at…..
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 12, 2012 2:04 AM EST reply actions
Fedor jersey retired
Dave Fedor’s (1960-1962) basketball jersey was retired at halftime – awesome player for his era, they showed a great video on the big screen just before the ceremony. Question from me is “Why did you wait so long to do it?”
[On Monday aftertoon FSU announced it will retrie the jersey of Dave Fedor (1960-62, the first ever Seminole basketball player to be selected in the NBA draft, on Saturday.
The 6-foot-6 forward was selected with the seventh pick of the third round (23rd overall) by the Philadelphia 76ers in the 1962 NBA draft.
Fedor was Florida State’s co-captain as both a junior and a senior, scored 1,456 career points and averaged 20.2 points scored per game during his 72-game career. He is the 12th-leading scorer in school history.]
Dulkys
Was at the game (good seats, edge of the second tier right above the TV cameras). As an earlier poster mentioned, Kreft seemed to be playing well, but got very few minutes. Not sure why.
My season-ticket-holding buddy and I were wondering why Dulkys played so few minutes. I didn’t notice him getting injured. Was Ham just opting for more defense with Miller?
Is the poster known as FSU actually Terry Saban? And why does TN not want you to know?
Considering the need for points, I think he opted for Miller because he has no fear in pulling the trigger.
Miller for defense….probably not.
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 12, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
As for Kreft, I think Johnson becoming a nonfactor cut into his minutes.
I think the coaches gameplan for Kreft was to body up on RJ, and when he matched up w/ him, RJ was a not effective. So I’m guessing when Johnson’s minutes dwindled in the 2nd half…so did Kreft’s.
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by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 12, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Hopefully Kreft can be our enforcer down low
Ive long thought, prior to Miami, that we would struggle with a talented big man. Glad Kreft wasnt intimidated and really was more aggressive…I don’t think johnson expected that.
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 12, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Kreft rarely sees the floor in the 2nd half barring foul trouble from James or Gibson
I actually thought he deserved more minutes saturday but overall have no problem with this. kid might as well dress at halftime.
turnovers
I don’t follow BB very close, but everytime I watch us play, it seems that we lose the ball or throw it away in uncontested spaces. We need to tighten up, we could be as good as anyone.
during the run
we drastically cut down on DA turnovers. Leading up to BC, the old tendencies seemed to begin to reappear. I’m oversimplifying, but if one focuses on valuing the ball, one can keep from committing the same half-assed mistakes again and again—it appears we have not totally learned our lesson, but if we can somehow get to a respectable TO margin we could be, as we were during the run. very good.
I accept Process...as long as it yields immediate beneficial results.
For probably one of the most physical college contests I've ever seen it was somewhat remarkable in that I don't remember any stoppage for bandages.
A credit to both teams to keep it cool even in the heat of the moment.
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