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I think Florida State is playing the scheduling situation well. They got out of the WVU game without having to cancel it. They're going to get paid. They get to claim they went after top teams to replace WVU, thus getting to keep the "anyone, anywhere" image that worked pre-BCS, and they get to schedule a much more winnable game.
There is heavy smoke that Cameron Erving has asked to move to offensive line. Erving is already a good defensive tackle, and for FSU's coaches to allow this would show just how ridiculously deep the 'Noles are at defensive tackle. Erving does have more of an offensive lineman's build (6'5" and lanky at 300+). I am very interested to see how this turns out. Is the potential benefit to offense much bigger than the potential loss on defense? Absolutely. And remember, Erving is very young. He doesn't even turn 20 until late August! Let's see if the move happens and if it sticks. I'd say the important part to this smoke is that Erving asked to be moved, as opposed to the coaches telling him he would be moved.
FSU commit Menelik Watson trades in the hardwood for the gridiron - Luke Winn - SI.com
Awesome article
Boston College Football To Host Miami In 2012 Opener - BC Interruption
Acoording to a report in the Boston Globe: Boston College football will open the 2012 season at home against the Miami Hurricanes on Labor Day weekend. This is good for BC because Miami is breaking in a ton of new starters. It's bad because Miami doesn't have to play in the cold and the Hurricanes' depth won't be tested.
Vanderbilt coach elaborates on controversial comments on "de-commitments" … and the UGA recruit that flipped | AJC College Sports Recruiting
We asked some other coaches about Franklin’s initial comments about de-commitments being "not men of honor" and "not men of integrity." Florida State’s Jimbo Fisher: "No, I don’t buy that. They’re all young kids. They’ve all got to make tough decisions in a crucial time of their life. They may not have committed [initially] for the right reasons. [As a coach] you don’t say something like that. They are 18-year-old kids. They learn lessons as they go through the recruiting process. Recruiting can be tough and I think it’s different than it was years ago. The pressure, for instance, from social media, recruiting services, coaches … I think there’s a ton of more pressure on these kids now than there ever was before. They are 18-year olds. That’s the thing you have to remember. I would love to not have any kids de-commit. For the most part, we did this year except for one [DE Dante Fowler switched to Florida on signing day]. He’s an outstanding young man and will be a great player. That’s a choice he made, and he had to make it for his own reasons."
NCAA investigation update: Nevin Shapiro rants from prison; UM optimistic | Sports Buzz
### One UM official said he expects “one more bowl ban, maybe two at most” plus undetermined scholarship losses. But that’s speculative, because UM hasn’t been told anything on either issue. Some are hopeful of escaping further bowl bans after last year’s self-imposed one.
Miami is going to play with 80 scholarship players. They are at 90 or 91 now. That means they'll be cutting 10 guys between now and opening day. Expect them to tell the NCAA they're taking a penalty of five scholarships (85-80=5). Don't be surprised if they pass on a bowl game as well (not that they are likely to make one with the roster coming back and a daunting schedule). The playing at 80 will likely continue in 2013 and 14. The bowl ban/declining a bowl could also.
Uh Oh: Danny O'Brien, Max Garcia Transferring? - Testudo Times
Maryland's presumed starting quarterback and left tackle are both reported to be transferring. This is a fluid situation.
Pre-Snap Read: 24 transfers since Edsall took over at Maryland. And counting.
Maryland has a ton of work to do.
Big Ten pulls about-face, pushes for +1
Pre-Snap Read: Wake Offseason Review
Stock watch Losing Given is a tough blow to an offense that had its best season in years last fall, but perhaps Campanaro can step in and help Price continue his development into one of the A.C.C.’s best. Of bigger concern is the offensive line, which must replace four starters. The biggest concern, however, remains the defense. Here’s guessing that this group, which struggled so much over the second half of last fall, has turned a corner come September. There’s a tremendous amount of returning experience; only two starters must be replaced, led by strong safety Cyhl Quarles. An improved effort defensively won’t just offset Givens’ early departure — it would make the Deacons a fairly scary team in the Atlantic division, and would easily find the program back in bowl play for a second straight season.
BCF Toys - Home - Punting and Field Position
Cool stuff.
Friday Mailbag: The state of Penn St recruiting - CBSSports.com
If Muschamp has only ~14 or 15 wins after his first two years, 2013 will be quite interesting in Gainesville. And how lucky is Mark Richt to get that gift schedule two years in a row?From @cbhenn What's your pre-spring SEC East 1-7 predictions for 2012?
I have Georgia winning the East. The Dawgs have a very good, experienced D returning and a savvy QB in Aaron Murray. After that, I have South Carolina. I could see Tennessee coming in third as my surprise team. The Vols will no longer be a young team. They'll have a lot of three-year starters on what figures to be a potent offense. They will be counting on a lot of unproven guys on the D-line but my hunch is they have a shot to win nine this year. I slotted UF fourth ahead of Mizzou because they have a much deeper group of athletes on defense. After that, I have Vandy and UK rounding out the division.
Mark Richt, UGA Closing In On Contract Extension - SB Nation Atlanta
As we said, Richt would lose the tough games, win the division because of an easy schedule, and get an extension.
With Stefon Diggs To Maryland, Ohio State And Florida Target 2013 Receiver Recruits - SBNation.com
Ohio State and Florida failed to sign a top receiver recruit in the 2012 class. Now they turn their sights to 2013 and have targeted some elite wideouts. That won't help on the field in 2012, however.
Pre-Snap Read: A College Football Blog
Only 17 staffs in college football have not had a coaching change this off-season including only 5 non-BCS programs. One was FSU.
Looking on to 2012, Defense Set to Dominate | The Key Play
Virginia Tech's defense has a shot to be great in 2012, just like FSU's. The battle in Blacksburg will be loved by defensive coordinators everywhere.
Tuesday Top 10: Best assistant moves - CBSSports.com
9. Florida goes to Boise for its new OC: Charlie Weis had a very shaky season in Gainesville as the Gators stumbled in their transition season out of the Urban Meyer offense, finishing 105th in the country in total offense. Pease moves south after working with one of the most productive QBs in college history (Kellen Moore). The 47-year-old Pease also had a lot of success in his days at Montana in the 90s and had some good moments leading an undermanned Kentucky offense in the SEC before moving to Boise.10. Mike Locksley is back at Maryland: No doubt Locksley had a disastrous run as New Mexico's head coach, going 2-26 and being at the center of a few off-field scandals. He signs on with second-year coach Randy Edsall, who had a disastrous beginning with the Terps going 2-10 with only one win over an FBS opponent. But never underestimate the recruiting juice Locksley has, especially in that part of the country. He will get kids who would never get within sniffing distance of Edsall's program to give the Terps a long, hard look now. And the school made sure to sweeter Locksley's deal on that front. According to the Washington Post, if Maryland is ranked in the top 40 by either Rivals.com or Scout.com's recruiting rankings on National Signing Day, Locksley will earn $25,000. He'll also get an additional $20,000 if the Terrapins place in the top four of ACC teams in the Rivals.com or Scout.com's rankings on National Signing Day.
ACC pre-spring Power Rankings - ACC Blog - ESPN
1. Florida State:The Noles brought in the No. 2 recruiting class in the nation, including the No. 1 defensive end, the No. 1 defensive tackle and the No. 1 quarterback. Not to mention the abundance of talent they return from last season’s nine-win team. Not only will FSU be better in 2012, but it will also be deeper and more talented.
Predicting the Oklahoma Sooners' spring depth chart | February
Oh, wait, we don't have to pay attention to OU anymore!
Larry Fedora, North Carolina working smart, hard to meet goals - Andy Staples - SI.com
It will be interesting to see how UNC does after the sanctions come down. FSU won't play UNC until 2015, at the earliest.
Returning Starters And Momentum: Offense Versus Defense - Football Study Hall
A look at how experience affects college football offenses and defenses as the season progresses.
THE CURIOUS INDEX, 2/13/2012 - Every Day Should Be Saturday
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Oh, wait, we don’t have to pay attention to OU anymore!
What a glorious sentence that is.
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Feb 13, 2012 11:02 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
NEED A+ SCHEDULING TO KEEP SEASON INTERESTING
#NCAA’d
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Cam is such a physical freak, he could help this team at DT or OL
Where does he project on OL? And can he pick up the technique quick enough to impact in 2012 or provide quality depth?
With his long arms and size he would most likely play tackle.
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if this is the bad news that Glauser tweeted about last week about FSU...
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Why would it be “bad” news?
by CrimiNole Defense on Feb 13, 2012 12:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bad news for him if he's getting more competition?
by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 13, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure he just seemed pissed about news he got at FSU and then deleted the tweet soon after.
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He said
It was family related not football related
by ExTacklingDummy on Feb 13, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
So no doubt not having WVU on our schedule makes it easier, but how will it affect ticket sells? I live 7 hours away but was going to give a booster donation for P2 seats and buy to season tickets to see Clemson, FU, and WVU, buy you drop a marquee matchup and now I’m likely to buy individual tickets to FU, Clemson, and VaTech. Anyone else feel this way? 3 big games and season tickets (even tho I can’t make it to every game) was worth the 1k but its not worth it for 2 good games + Murray St and teams of that ilk.
by ttubasketball on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I don’t think it will hurt much, if at all. People pay to see winners.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 13, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know. Sure we could get it, but I don’t have it on hand.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
It would be nice to sell enough season tickets where the availability of those single game tickets is low enough to force people to get season tickets
There is one less
season ticket package available. Me and my pops just renewed ours for next season, really hoping that all the talk that 2012 is the year will come to fruition.
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by Matt Champion on Feb 13, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
PLus we got paid for them not coming
So if we draw 10k less for that game then WVU we still make out in the money department and the WVU game I dont see affecting season ticket sales much. Most people did not have that as a make or break game. As Bud sad. If we are sinning and in the title hunt people will be there
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LOL.
If sinning leads to titles, wouldn’t UM be at like 10 NCs by now? ;-)
lol interesting misspell
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Losing WVU and replacing with
Northwestern Idaho won’t be a killer on season ticket sales but it will hurt the local merchants and we’ll take it on the chin in shared tv revenue not to mention less national exposure.
I’m an old school guy and like the good games with solid opponents. I understand the idea behind playing glorified high school teams but that doesn’t mean I have to like it.
Putting most of our eggs in the destination can make for a boring trip. Especially, if it’s through ACC country.
so you aren't
into seeing fsu beat wake? Oh man, can’t wait.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Feb 13, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Man I want to see us beat the heck outta them but its just more difficult to justify the expense (gas, food hotel as well) to my wife. Maybe I’m a minority though (and I hope I am).
by ttubasketball on Feb 13, 2012 11:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do you allow your wife to make decisions about opponent quality?
If so, why? And if not, then you can tell her the Murray St. Game will be a “great early test against a quality opponent.”
by Widespread Seminole on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Really? Do you know his wife or are you assuming his wife knows
little to nothing about football?
Some of our gender know and love our football. They’re even letting us vote nowadays (rolling my eyes).
by ladyjustice on Feb 13, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
1 step towards green.
Just to signify the defcon level this comment is headed towards.
Nobodies going to touch this one with a 10 foot pole.
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then slowly backs away…
You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 13, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Too many women suffer at the hands of men.
Its time to end women suffrage!! Who’s with me!?
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by SteadfastNole on Feb 14, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe its just me
but I like going to an FSU game knowing for certain what the outcome is going to be.
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by Matt Champion on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Me too
I don’t play golf, fish, or hunt so going to FSU games is my hobby so to speak.
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by Matt Champion on Feb 13, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thoroughly excited to get to see us:
-get revenge on Clemson and Wake in Doak
-trounce UF for the 3rd year in a row, and see EJ mock the chomp a la Ponder
-travel to Tampa to hopefully see us score 177 points and avenge the 17-7 debacle
-garnet-out Joe Robbie stadium and once again see 4,000 middle fingers painted orange
by jmnpb996 on Feb 13, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Sweet Revenge
A shutout is the only answer
by FullTimeNole on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
this.
i’m in s. florida & plan to go to both of those games – i was at USF the other year and must have my vengance. hopefully we’ll dominate “miami’s stadium” the entire game and during pre-game, not just the entire 2nd half
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by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 13, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I feel that it definitely makes a difference if you are not local, not worth the drive to watch a cupcake.
by NCSeminoles on Feb 13, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
why is that?
the only things that might be missing are:
1. excitement
2. suspense
3. reasonable likelihood of a loss
right? Assuming you don’t like to see us lose, why not just buy a good action-mystery novel and browse it during the game while you enjoy the same school and campus that would be there for a big game? :-)
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my goodness
Shapiro is just totally off his rocker. I think the more nutty he goes, the better it will be for UM. Starting to sounds like a pure crazy, one that you have a hard time believing.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Exactly.
He’s dangerous when reasonable. The more desperate he gets, the more ridiculous even his true claims become
damage is done
NCAA has enough that 1% of what he says being truthful is enough to bury them. Ohio St didnt expect a bowl ban. And still got one. UM is done for a decade no matter what. After the 3 or so year penalty even when they get scholarships and all that back in a dew years. They were hardly “The U” anymore. No money, no facilities, No way to compete even before this
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And the other 11 scheduled teams too
If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Feb 13, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
And the 2 TBD's also.
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by Jamil Dawson on Feb 13, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
To Be Destroyed
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by ricobert1 on Feb 13, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Does this change anything for Newberry?
Btw, Im guessing that since we havent heard anything about EJ getting surgery on his shoulder that the plan is not for him to get cut afterall
by NeuroNole on Feb 13, 2012 11:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Also, many were saying that he doesn't have the right body type.
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But Hicks is moving?
Some weird stuff goin on w/ the positional changes, IMO. Not a fan of the Erving move. Kid was gonna be real real good at DT.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Rather have Erving move (on his own) then have Hicks move.
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If I could have either or, than I agree.
Need Hicks for immediate depth, even if he holds serve. Cam is good, but I feel “comfortable” at our DT rotation for the forseeable future
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isn't Hicks not very good?
never hear anything positive about the guy…
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by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 13, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Very capable.
Stout against the run. Doesn’t have burst off the line you’d want in an NFL end, but is excellent for his role. Other teams would kill to have him as their 2nd string DE.
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maybe it's an OL guy i'm thinking of that everyone rants about...
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by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 13, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
Nailed it. Isn’t a world beater, but more than serviceable IMO
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He's Tank Carradine......minus the freakish athleticism.
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That's like Katy Perry...
minus the voice.
I accept Process...as long as it yields immediate beneficial results.
i beg to differ
her best asset is…not her voice
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by nole07 on Feb 14, 2012 2:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Who the hell is Katy Perry??
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Now that would be inconvenient.
There goes the “injury” excuse.
2012 is the Year of No Excuses.
by PeachTreeNole on Feb 13, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Maryland is giving Locksley a bonus based on recruiting rankings?
And they’re only taking into consideration the rankings from Rivals and Scout? Don’t they know that Scout is the worst of the services?
by seminoleballer on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions
Don't they know that star rankings don't matter?
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by teter10 on Feb 13, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, but Scout is the most charitable with star rankings.
That’s the one I’d pick if I were Locksley. Better chance of nabbing an extra 5 star since there’s 30% more of them under the scout rankings.
Agreeing with DK here, it was a brilliant move. Why not get paid for what you do best? If here were such a great true coach, would he not have been hired before Crowton?
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If I were him, I'd be getting to know the talent evaluators over at Scout.
Maybe take them out to dinner or something (wink, wink).
by seminoleballer on Feb 15, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
The Watson Article
is phenomenal. Great read. But I’m not sure if I agree with the Kimbo Slice comparisons though… In the Basketball pic he looks like a massive Tony Douglas to me, and apparently he can run like him 4.7 300+…. Good Gravy.
Don't worry, I'm just hairy-assing you.
I'm with ya Gunner.
Maybe if he doesn’t win a starting spot, he can take Werner’s spot at fullback on our goal line package.
4th and inches?
Line him up under center for a QB sneak. Wildcat, smildcat – that’s the Goliath Formation.
wait for it...
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by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 13, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He does look like TD.
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Big Tony?
No better offseason tradition than pointless nickname generation. Big Tony it is.
by The K-Man on Feb 13, 2012 4:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Let's replace WV with Maryland.
Bud and you other lawyer types need to figure out a way to make it happen!!!
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Well then, let's use the buyout to pay off Temple ;)
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
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I'm all about solutions :)
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
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It just keeps getting better :)
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
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So why would DOB tweet that he's still a twerp?
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Perhaps Edsall agreed not to put restrictions on him?
by Bud Elliott on Feb 13, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
That makes sense
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
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Gotta make you feel great if you’re Diggs. Who knows who else will actually be on that team come fall?
Dumb, but can you Xfer if just signed a LOI?
Greatness courts failure.
by PalmAireNole on Feb 13, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I figured same rules applied, but just wow.
Greatness courts failure.
by PalmAireNole on Feb 13, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily.
The school could let him out of the LOI (unlikely).
I think the LOI is also only good for one year. So I think he could choose to not enroll and sit out the entire year and enroll wherever he wants. His eligibility clock wouldn’t start until he becomes a full time student. This is also pretty unlikely. Somebody else may be able to verify this one too.
by nolesblogger on Feb 13, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
They'll probably let him out.
It’s not like they’re hurting for talented players.
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My proportional win share for Maryland is approaching Duke levels.
by BenDNole on Feb 13, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Aaaaaaaand Rec'd
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-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
+ or - 1 if they play UM again
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OK, who wants to take a stab at this.
Hypothetically , let’s say the NCAA gives a school a 3 year bowl ban (*cough scUM cough). Let’s say one of the years they go 5-7 and don’t qualify for a bowl. Does that year count as part of the 3 year ban, or do they have to qualify for a bowl for the ban to be counted as one of the 3 year ban?
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
legally, they surrender the ability to play in a bowl game before the season begins
so that makes the outcome is irrelevant, correct? it also means the next 2 years are a great opportunity to surrender that potential ability, considering they arent likely to get there anyway
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Good point, but I would expect the COI hammer to have dropped before the next bowl game. That will be at least a year and a half since the discovery.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
What if the investigation lags on, and Miami announces another self imposed ban in October with a W-L record of 3-5?
What then nole07? What then?
by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Feb 13, 2012 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you can only be banned from the post-season once a year, since there is only one postseason per year
so…if they announce additional years in October of 2012, sure, that would be valid. otherwise, i am unsure as to the purpose of this inquiry.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I was just being a smart aleck
whilst pointing out that Miami might find themselves self imposing “early” before their record does it for them.
Expect an immediate announcement if they hit 6 losses.
by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Feb 13, 2012 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
At the other extreme, if they have the best record in the conference while on probation (haha), would they be allowed to play in the ACCCG and would they be recognized as conference champs if they win?
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
No, they cannot play in the ACCCG
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by newdynastynole on Feb 13, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
It's likely a moot point, but that would be awesome if it happened and they finally got a chance to play for the championship and not be allowed because of the pesky boats and ho's thing.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Not to worry.....Miami has done a pretty good job making sure they are not allowed to play in the ACCCG alllllll on on their own.
NCAA interference not needed.
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by DRusso97 on Feb 13, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
do we actually have a replacement for WVU yet?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Just, I don’t know what to say.
@D1scourse: That’s 12 players to leave the program with eligibility remaining since the end of the season, 24 since Edsall took over.
Dude is beyond a cancer
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
Why are players fleeing so quickly??
I mean he did a pretty good job at UCONN to get that program on the map. Not like it is exactly in great recruiting grounds
Seems like a 180 degree culture change.
Fridge seemed to be a little more accessible and liked by the players. Stands to reason that those are the types he recruited.
Edsall is renowned for being very business like, regimented, etc. In addition to the fact that many didn’t like the fact that Fridge was fired after a good season (by Maryland standards), it’s just a bad recipe, IMO.
Not shocked at all. NCAA football is a business, and coaches are salesmen. When a recruit buys a service (program), it buys a salesman (coach), when that salesman gets fired or leaves, and they don’t like the new salesman, they have a right to go somewhere else.
The players are the commodities, and they make the call. At Maryland, they’ve clearly exercised that right.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Why would Diggs even
commit to them, unless he’s getting some $?
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by Matt Champion on Feb 13, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
A poster on the Diggs story FanShot
Said his dad recently died, and is likely staying close to his mom. If that’s true, I don’t find it too much of a stretch.
Wow man
if true then it speaks a lot about him that he’s willing to put his family first.
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by Matt Champion on Feb 13, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
1 word
Locksley
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by newdynastynole on Feb 13, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Found these comments interesting
@sunjeffbarker: People close to Danny O’Brien told me he’d be interested in Stanford, Wisconsin, Vanderbilt, Michigan St.. Wants stability, good conference
@BFeldmanCBS: Curious to see where QB Danny O’Brien heads. By graduating this summer, could be eligible to play in 2012. Reunite w/ Franklin at Vandy?
as expected
thanks!
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by newdynastynole on Feb 13, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
The Olympic sprinter? Kinda old but definitely got some speed.
by bobbysura on Feb 13, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
He just wants to run with Bracy and Darby.
Greatness courts failure.
by PalmAireNole on Feb 13, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What do I need to know
about this kid?
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by Matt Champion on Feb 13, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
That there's probably a story coming up you can refer to for information
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
I just looked at the story
looks like a solid commit, he probably needs to bulk up though. EE maybe?
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by Matt Champion on Feb 14, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Has there been any talk about the 2013 WVU game being thrown out?
I saw that the 2012 game has been taken off the schedule, but the 2013 away game is still on Seminoles.com. I would hate to give up the home game and still have to play the away.
by Diehardnolefan on Feb 13, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions
Not hype about this cam thing
I understand eddie golman could be great and timmy is nasty and I understand who we are bringing back but to watch wave after wave of monters come in at DT was fun and if he and Jmac (what the latest with him anyways) arent there its one less wave.. I thought he was really promising
D-Hop has tiger blood
Don't forget who FSU Red-Shirted at DT in 2011
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I'm excited to see NLS.
Greatness courts failure.
by PalmAireNole on Feb 13, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I keep thinking
If the coaches are comfortable enough with McAllister, Cummings, Jernigan, Mitchell, Lawrence, Goldman, Shanks in 2013 (plus Bain and Deadrin and others), then maybe that’s a good thing
Aren’t one of those guys also predicted to test the waters on the OL (Mitchell?)
NLS…
I’m with camfsu…Really want Cam to stay where he’s at.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
All this news, you must have forgotten to link to something about FSU Softball’s 5-0 start. :)
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::Runs away from the pitchfork and torch carrying TNers::
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by NoleCC on Feb 13, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
LOL, I think that would probably go over like a fart in church.
I will say that I’ve never seen anything quite like Bailey Schinella. She tossed 2+ innings at the end of the 1st game of the season. I didn’t know there was such a thing as a junkballer in fast pitch. She was all change-up first (looked to me like 2-3 different speeds) and the occasional fastball. SFA hitters didn’t know wtf to do with that after Perry throwing fastballs for 5 innings. Worked out well and got us a W in extra innings.
From what I read the bats woke up for the rest of the weekend thankfully. Game 1 was rough.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend but few understand." - Wes Westrum, Mets Manager
Fart away.
Fanpost are always welcomed and most of us already know about your passion for softball.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I might write a couple as the season progresses. I’ll know more based on Wednesday’s road game at LSU this week. Be the first good competition of the season after the warm up tournament they just played.
If the two freshman pitch well (Schinella / Waldrop) + solid stuff from Monica Perry they should be better than last year’s team overall, which pulled it together for the ACC Title. We shall see.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend but few understand." - Wes Westrum, Mets Manager
Maybe the occasional update?
I don’t usually hear much about our other sports. You have to dig for that stuff when you’re away from the Tally area…
I’m telling you, a good non-rev sports roundup would be a nice occasional feature. Opportunities for all you lurking aficionados out there.
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Feb 13, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Fanpost up… I’ll do them for softball occasionally, especially when I get to attend. FSU Softball Starts Season 5-0
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Thanks and looking forward to your contributions.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Big REC.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
The comments under that Shapiro article are pretty disturbing.
There are bigger things in the world than football.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Hilarityiousnessess.
Miami is hopeful that their self-imposed bowl ban last year, will be enough? I didn’t know sucking for an entire season, and realizing that it would cost more to go to Boise than it would to not go – counted as a self-imposed bowl ban.
/eyesrolling
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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5>2, homie. hAtErs wiSh DeY wAS da U
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by nole07 on Feb 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The only way I could get through reading this comment...
….was with Morgan Freeman’s voice.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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Good ESPN piece on Spring Football - and what to watch for:
ESPN Spring Cleaning (Makes mention of FSU’s Offensive Line, and 2012 Outlook.
GO NOLES!
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I was about to confirm my suspicion that this was an HD article, and then subsequently dock you 2 cool points my good sir.
I was very happy with the result of clicking on that link to find out that I was wrong.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
HD writes about something other than Gummies? Also, when is her Dad going to kick her out of his home office finally? That’s the only reason I still tune in.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend but few understand." - Wes Westrum, Mets Manager
I stopped reading ESPN almost entirely until January 1 of this year.
I know that in some twisted alternative universe what ESPN is doing is probably brilliant, but sometimes I am just left scratching my head at that site.
It’s literally like she never even watches a single game, other than maybe Maryland from time to time.
I caught the ACC top 25 blog here recently and we are on #21 (in the conference) with only one FSU player so far. And that is Brandon Jenkins at #25.
There are 24 better players than Brandon Jenkins in the ACC? Really?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Everyone knows that a player with 8 sacks is better then a player with 7.
It’s science!
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
Both at the same time.
Yes – I am that good.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
In some strange way...
…I still think she’s kind of hot.
Jes sayin’.
GO NOLES!
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Yes that's strange.
Because she’s clearly not.
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
....judges?

GO NOLES!
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by fsutampaguy on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
this is really her at her best
its like a person you meet online who shows you a pic that was prob taken 3993 times to look ok and the when you meet them your wondering where the person you met online whos picture you saw is
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by caine115 on Feb 14, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Too Smart for DL
I guess Cam wants to join his intellectual equals over on the OL.
Waiting …
Is the poster known as FSU actually Terry Saban? And why does TN not want you to know?
Youtube comments are always bad.
Youtube comments on a UM video… I don’t even know how to describe how bad they are.
sorry, this is very funny
You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 13, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
too bad this didn't make the cut...
You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 13, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Ejected
for playing like a man against the boys team.
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
by UCFBoilerNole on Feb 13, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
this is the 4th or 5th time today I've been drawn back to watching this for an extended period of time
I especially like how the UM player collapses in a lifeless mass of football misery
You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 13, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
I believe it was 6-3
But to their credit, Al Golden had stayed up all week checking under their beds for Nigel and Ghost-Nole
by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Feb 13, 2012 5:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
i like that all of the good plays
are represented by guys who left early to go to the NFL
You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 13, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Cane fans are so awesome
Total caricatures of themselves. And apparently still unaware that nothing makes you look weaker than talking tough on the internet
by NeuroNole on Feb 13, 2012 3:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
MIAMI HURRICANES: SEASON OF CHANGE..
for the absolute worst. All of the highlights involved players that are no longer with the team. And when this:
If you dislike this you obviously don’t the the U. This is inspirational. Why would anyone click the dislike button.
is the top rated comment, your fanbase is full of idiots.
And even the title of the vid is in all caps. Damn I hate Miami more and more.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
ALL CAPS IS THE WORST
yelling doesn’t make your argument valid…
You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 13, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
ALL CAPS IS THE WORST
False……
ThIS iS wiTHouT a DOuBt tHe WOrsT ThiNG aBoUT CaNE FAnS oNLinE
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 14, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
ladies and gentlemen...the Nole FKA Cane Resurrection
take his word for this, he used to hang around sites with these people voluntarily
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AllCanes was the only one I really hung out at.
I, seriously, couldn’t take it. I was more of an isolationist.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 15, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
You almost.....ALLLLLMOST want to feel sorry for UM fans, having experienced before a broken program living off past glory...
…..And then they do or say something to remind you what absolute JACKASSES they are.
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USC has to play with 75 scholarships
I would expect that is the minimum reduction for miami?
Count me in the camp that prefer Cam Erving to stay at DT.
I also think it is funny that you are saying fsu can “claim” they went after top teams as if they really aren’t trying to play these teams. i would hope grown men had better things to do with there time then pretend to be trying to schedule a game if they have no intention of scheduling it. It really serves no purpose and I doubt that is what is going on here.
If they can’t get a viable replacement they are suing WVU, so that’s a reason to “pretend” too schedule a game you know won’t happen.
The quotations makes that sound kind of jerkish
but I read (on here?) that would be a reason to try and schedule these tough games.
I'm gonna go with they are actually trying to schedule these games until have
legitimate reason to believe otherwise. And Planning to sue WVU is not a good reason to waste a bunch of peoples time. I detest how litigious this country has become, but, that is another conversation entirely.
Pretending to schedule a game and then saying we couldn’t find a viable opponent so we’re suing is as lame as it gets
not lame, smart
there is not much of a suit necessary, it is a simple breach of contract. one of the terms of the contract is that the party who backs out (WVU) must pay the other party (FSU) if they are unable to find a suitable/equivalent/“some other similar term” replacement. if we make an “attempt” to find one, intent to actually get one is not necessary to prove (it is difficult to prove whether we ever intended to do anything), only action. actually, whether you believe the chances are even realistic are not necessary either. i imagine both parties knew this was the case going in, and knew that breaking the contract would only happen if they stood to gain more than the penalty by doing so. so going through the motions, knowing that those other teams are also smart enough not to agree to the game, is just a formality.
i hate how litigious society is today, but this is not one of those times. if somebody put a penalty in a contract that doesn’t seem crazy high (we pay at least that much to bring in a patsy team), it is assumed that they will not mind paying it if the right situation arises. in this situation, WVU gets a better deal (Big 12 and a patsy) and FSU gets a much higher chance at a win, plus some money left over. the penalty is a weak deterrent, something for both sides to consider, and making it an actual contract as opposed to a “gentlemen’s agreement” that can be cancelled at any time.
does this give you a legitimate reason to believe this search was not expected to find another good team to play?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Not quite.
I’d still assume we’d rather find a suitable replacement then go through the litigation. Also don’t see the need to waste OU’s time and those other schools when they have nothing to gain. Because we can do it does not mean we should do it. Didn’t we agree to the buyout?
it really isnt as complex as you seem to think it is
there should not be a great deal of litigation over this, the terms were clear and clearly violated. and a phone call doesnt meant a waste of anyone’s time, its pretty simple to say “yeah, no thanks”. finally, it is not a “can”, it is a contractual obligation to search for an appropriate replacement, even though we all know none of them will be dumb enough to agree to it.
and yes, we both agreed to the buyout, but since they breached, they owe. we just got lucky that they wanted to move to the Big 12 and it was to their benefit to breach.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
If you called me to propose something
you had no intention of following through with, I would consider that a waste of my time.
He would follow through with it if the other team said yes
but no one wants to schedule an away game without a home game unless they are a scrub. It’s kind of a waste of minutes from someone’s day, but it’s basically going through the motions to be able to get WVU to have to compensate us.
yep
i think dude is offended by the idea of fulfilling the negotiated-for terms of the contract, even though there wouldnt be a contract without these stipulations. if we called, say, TAMU, and they said yes (although they wouldnt), we would still have to work out a deal with them that both sides like (presumably a home and home); if that deal didnt happen, and nobody else comparable said yes, we would be in the same situation. it would make him feel better if we went through all of this before finally getting a patsy, but everybody recognizes that it is a bad idea on its face to schedule that game or one like it. NOT fulfilling our end of the deal (a genuine attempt to find a comparable opponent, or whatever the language is) and still getting the penalty would mean that term was useless. if the contract is upheld and we skip this step, we dont get paid for their breach.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I'm not offended by any of this.
I’m just saying I’m not fond of the idea of calling, say, TAMU, with the intention of actually scheduling FAMU. If the plan is to schedule FAMU then go ahead and schedule FAMU. I’d like to think that there is some intention of actually playing the teams we are contacting. whether or not it is gonna happen is another story.
I believe they are obligated to seek out a suitable replacement
because of their contract. If they do not get a suitable replacement, WVU has to pay us, and we would use that money to pay a patsy to come to Doak.
Keep in mind I’m not 100% sure this is how it is happening, and I’m for the most part inferring.
Spetman is posturing for those reasons. Extract more money from WVU, appease ignorant boosters/season ticket holders, and maintain the anyone/anywhere look in public.
So he’s offering these teams a 1-off away game they wouldn’t make any money on. The 9 game schedule in ACC would make a home&home unpallatable for FSU, so he’s offering a one off. won’t get any bites, then schedules a rent a patsy, and maintains public image.
ding ding ding
its posturing, but every decent school we contact is of the same mind. we arent wasting anybody’s time. in all likelihood, they probably just joke around on the phone when he calls. whether you think it sounds like a good decision or not, we are contractually obligated to call – if not, there would be no money on the line, and we wouldnt have any recourse for WVU dropping this game out from under us so close to scheduling time.
i am a little concerned that we have been turned down by some lesser ones, though. it would be nice to add a FBS instead of another FCS, especially one like UL Lafayette who just went to a bowl game, but still isnt very good.
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I'm in the Cam at DT too
He’s spent two years at DT. Cam shows some promise. I like to watch out DL in the highlights and Cam moves the pile a lot. I also think that long DT’s are a huge premium in this new dink and dunk passing world. Just let Cam sit back and swat the short passes that are so much a part of today’s game.
Well of course you want to keep him at DT Odell,
you recruit the studs and dont want to lose them to Trickett. Odd though, that your impression is coming from highlight films…
by BenDNole on Feb 13, 2012 10:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
also odd that he calls himself a rapper
we have all seen that “highlight film”, and it isnt pretty
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
90 players on scholly for UM
That number does not seem right with the early departures and the 2010 class falling apart (they only had 70% on the roster after 1 yr IIRC). I assumed they were already at or just under 85.
by MeBeFirst on Feb 14, 2012 1:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Are you sure 90 isn’t how many they had in their last recruiting class?
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 14, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Or maybe their season attendance average?
Guy on a Buffalo
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