WAY-TOO-EARLY 2013 Mock Class
Though we are barely out of National Signing Day 2012, I thought a look into a possible future for us to 1 February 2013 could be fun...
For an in-depth look at current FSU targets and recommended targets please utilize the link below:
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2012/2/11/2791399/the-2013-recruiting-targets-from-a-fan
All predictions are not based on anything other than actual offers from Florida State and non-commit status to another university. As we have seen in the past two years, those who are committed to a program for a long time have cases of amnesia on NSD...or despicable ploys to undermine the Seminoles...either way, hope you enjoy this...
after the jump...
QB Kevin OlsenRB Ryan Green
RB A.J. Turman
RB Ryan Switzer
WR Stacy Coley
WR Jordan Cunningham
WR Richard Benjamin
TE Mike Heuerman
OL Laremy Tunsil
OL Austin Golson Current commit: FSU
OL John Lopez
OL David Dawson
OL Austin Droogsma
DE Isaac Rochell
DE Tashawn Bower
DE Dajaun Drennon
LB EJ Levenberry Jr
LB Johnny O'Neal
DT Kelsey Griffin
DT Marquedius Bain Current commit: FSU
DT Deadrin Senat Current commit: FSU
DB Vernon Hargreaves III
DB Will Likely
DB Kirk Garner
DB Sojourn Shelton Current commit: FSU
DB Leon McQuay III
DB Marcell Harris
ATH Marquion Lane
K Roberto Aguayo 2012 Greyshirt
CAVEAT: If recruiters get on the ball and don't lose these kids to other teams, we could get these players as well...with a little dedication toward them...
WR Shelton Gibson
OL Brandon Kublanow
OL Reeve Koehler
DE Garrett Sickels
LB Nigel Bowden
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29 including Aguayo, and another possible 5 with the caveat, for 34 max...
Again, hope you enjoy this look into one great class. If you took current ratings for these players, you come up with:
Rivals 5***** (2) 4**** (16) Unofficial stars 5***** (3) 4**** (7)
247 5***** (2) 4**** (16) 3*** (7)
Will it beat ALABAMA and the other teams we are currently sharing the top ten with on 247? This fan believes it can...and it will.
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thatd be a great class if we get all those players
but I think we will take more than two linebackers atleast 1 or 2 more
by TheRenegade29 on Feb 13, 2012 7:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Well let us hope we are BOTH right...
As there are other offers for LBs not currently committed to schools rhyming with NOScorida and AWWWBarn, we could luck up and grab the other 3 or add more. There’s almost a year to pick and choose.
Also, there are offers to DEs which are DE/LB hybrids, so that is a possibility as well
Further, even though Marquion Lane is currently a QB in H/S, he could move to a DB position, freeing up one of our more bruising candidates to go to LB.
Appreciate the feedback..
by RobbSeminole on Feb 13, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
I, too, think we get at least 1 more LB than listed
but I love your mock class. I really want Tunsil, but he is a total wild card. Let’s hope!
Charles Johnson DB
Isn’t he supposed to commit today?
Mike Johnson...
and yes he did…
thanks for the update
by RobbSeminole on Feb 14, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
For those of all not familiar with the 2013 class...
Which of those players are the 5*? would be considered a must-haves? would be the toughest get (leaning to another school)? and other than the commitments, which do many believe are FSU’s to lose?
Gripper
Tommyhawk Nation: Bobby Bowden is the all-time ACC leader in conference titles, conference wins, total wins, winning percentage, bowl appearances & wins and owns the longest conference winning streak.
the link in the top portion is where you should go...
all three of your questions are answered.
Thanks again for the comment though…
by RobbSeminole on Feb 13, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
ill try an answer
5 star must haves : laremy tunsil ej levenberry
Toughest to get : off that list robert nckemdiche
fsu’s to lose: all our current commits ryan green and aj turman both favor us
by TheRenegade29 on Feb 13, 2012 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thanks for the assistance
Good to know someone can step up when asked a question about someone else’s article…
it shows we really can be team players, and distinguishes the true heart of the readers and not trolls or naysayers
by RobbSeminole on Feb 14, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
sorry if my answer sounded vague or rude...it was not my intention...
This mock class was a direct product from the write up I did concerning current FSU targets. All of the current rating services were applied to date, and as of today, the 5 stars are OL Tunsil and DB Hargreaves. Unofficially, Rivals has a average grade of 5* from OL Droogsma, ATH Marqioun Lane, and current commits DBs Bain and Johnson.
I think our top five must haves are OL Tunsil, LB Levenberry, DB Hargreaves, DB McQuay and DB Harris (Levenberry, McQuay and Harris are 4*s right now, should be 5s by the end of the of the year.)
Currently, FSU has their eyes on several recruits which this early are leaning to another school. This was the main reason why I offered to have you look at the link, in which all offers have been broken down to a lean (if any) and the schools offered vs interested…five toughest ones for us to pull, IMO, are DE Nkemdiche (different sources dispute over FSU offering and his interest), RB Bryant, TE Breneman, OT Kugler, and DT Adams.
As I have addressed several times in the forum, commitments can suddenly forget they are committed to one school and send an LOI to another on NSD…it’s a shame the recruiting world is encouraging this debauchery amongst kids, but it happens. Even our commits are not guaranteed, but the mock class accounted for several potential offers going to other places…
Hope this was more of what you were looking for…again, I didn’t mean to come off as dismissive
by RobbSeminole on Feb 14, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
No problem
I’m a very casual follower of recruiting…I’ve just finished getting to know the ones FSU just signed, so a mock class for next year means very little to me. I just wanted to know a couple of name to be on the look out for…you know, in case I have one of those gas station encounters.
Gripper
Tommyhawk Nation: Bobby Bowden is the all-time ACC leader in conference titles, conference wins, total wins, winning percentage, bowl appearances & wins and owns the longest conference winning streak.
So far you are already wrong
no mike johnson :)
Proud author of Tomahawknation's most rec'd post ever
haha
i am sure a LOT of things on this list COULD be wrong…
I was expecting Mike Johnson to wait…oh well…
by RobbSeminole on Feb 13, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I guarantee you that your list is MUCH better than mine would be. It will be interesting to see a year from now how accurate you are.
Proud author of Tomahawknation's most rec'd post ever
by newdynastynole on Feb 13, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
It will be here, for sure...
I think I will do a monthly assessment and re-post changes, updates and such…I’ve basically taken the role of the election manager, so to speak (take the initial polls to see the constituent’s favorites among the candidates, now let’s work the magic and bring home the winning vote)
Well we welcome Mike Johnson to our Nole Nation may he be a great S in our organization.
Michael Johnson – DB unrated 247/Rivals UnO 5* CB S FL FSU COMMIT 13FEB (no other offers) (UF/UGA/MIA/KAN/WIS)
Johnny 5 (5th commit)…alive!
by RobbSeminole on Feb 14, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
the same reason somone prompts a negative response when someone provides those who want to know more about our Noles and questions the intent of the creator of said wish list
I didn’t go down the published rankings and go, ’You know I think we end up with this guy, that guy, basically the top 34 because we are going to get everyone…THAT would be a wish list
maybe you should spend more time actually helping the people in here with no expectation back…and less time trying to create unneeded drama in the forum…
by RobbSeminole on Feb 14, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
It's a legitmate question
A list of prospects is one thing, but this is a list of who you think we might want. I can’t create a list of who we might want because I don’t have enough information to create an informed opinion. Few people know anything about these kids except for certain recruiters and maybe people who live in the area (but they only know the few kids in their area/highschool/etc). May as well make a thread about your favorite lottery numbers.
That being said, you’re right, I shouldn’t have posted it. I can’t delete it, though.
Agreed
Tone it down a little guys, please.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
toned down, thank you for the adjustment...
I’ll play nice from now on
by RobbSeminole on Feb 14, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
well thank you...
but I probably shouldn’t have jumped too harshly back…warnings were given and I deserved them.
…so I move on…
thank again
by RobbSeminole on Feb 15, 2012 5:51 AM EST up reply actions
I too think you were right.
If they don’t want to read it, then they should just not read it.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 15, 2012 5:09 AM EST up reply actions
appreciated...
I actually would prefer they read it and comment on it, as Meehl did. As noted before, I went immediately to the defensive when I should’ve just thanked him for his input.
As I am not an editor or author associated on TN, I should know my place as a fan. When (and if) I feel like I should produce something else, I will always assume everyone will have a problem with it, so it will prepare me for people that actually will…and then I can focus on the people that have no problem with it.
I am thankful I have such a warm and welcome atmosphere to write in, where as when I was in B/R it was troll city. It is good to know that the Noles here are respectful of their community members…
by RobbSeminole on Feb 15, 2012 6:27 AM EST up reply actions
True a legitimate question and maybe I read it wrong...
but the mock class was created from the fanpost I linked at the beginning of the article. In that compilation, I only added from the pool of what we the public know from the recruiting services that FSU offered, which isn’t accurate by any means…
This is the exact reason why I posted it. We don’t know these kids; most people who aren’t routine contributors are happy we got who we got from the 2012 class, but don’t know why they are happy about them. They aren’t evaluating film or posting about what they know or heard about this prospect…they look to TN and anyone who has any information for this…
As for the comment about lottery numbers…this doesn’t compare to that. I spent the time and research to see who was likely and not likely going to end up a Seminole from the few and far sources I have. This is an open forum and you can agree or disagree with me on every post, every comment, and every article if you wish, as long as you don’t break TN rules.
Meehl, you are on here all the time which is great, and I even remember you stood up for that kid who was sure Goldman was going to Auburn, and got deleted…my beef isn’t with you, I assure you. In fact, I have no beef. You don’t have to delete your opinion…trust me, you’re not a troll, and I guess I deal with them pretty well; it’s okay, I’m a writer as well, so you could say I’m built for rejection in case it happens to come my way…
I spend what time I have deployed to this forsaken country (not in the US in case you did not know or forgot) writing my novels, talking with my family and being on TN, seeing how my loved Noles are doing…do I want a medal, hell no, I don’t. I want to help our viewers see what they came here to see…
Maybe a database created like the one last year from the editors will be official enough for the readers and this is more of an “If I was CJF” list…
truce…?
truce, sure
but i didn’t think we were warring.
I can express my issue in a different way. Why one guy at a position but not another?
Is your list simply based off your longer recruiting targets thread + the following decision tree?:
1. remove all “supposed” non-FSU leans from candidate pool
b. Add all confirmed FSU commits
@. Add “supposed” FSU leans
lambda. If we have a position need, add a player at the position if no known lean
For instance, why Kevin Olsen at QB?
Should FSU fans prefer Kevin Olsen over, say, Ryan Burns? And if so, why should we prefer Olsen? Why is Olsen the most likely QB in our recruiting class? Is it solely because he’s the only one on your recruiting board with a confirmed offer from us who isn’t thought to be leaning elsewhere, as of Feb 2012? These are the questions, which I think are highly relevant and something readers are very interested in, that I had for every player on your list that led me to post in the first place.
I discussed this below...but...
The reason I picked Olsen over Burns or McCrary was:
A) Olsen was recruited by Coley
B) Burns was not offered; is he now? this would be a changing variable…
C) Olsen is from OOS and that FSU traditionally picks a QB not from Florida. That he is from NJ, and we are recruiting four players from there also calculated that players recruit amongst themselves…
D) My recommendations had 4 other QBs with no offers from FSU; after I released the list, Falk from UT got offered by Craig and now I am sure he is in the running…perhaps a replacement for Ramsey.
E) Eliteness. I think Jimbo’s goal to take a QB every cycle is a good one, due to continuity. However, how do you rate a sophomore QB and equate it to the football field. Jimbo is an QB Coach by definition, Booty, Russell, Flynn…and lets not forget our own Craig) The one thing he knows more than being a HC: QBs. So knowing how both Winston and McGuire worked out this year may not put pressure on him to snab a McCrary or Burns when he could grab a diamond in the rough…
F) Olsen just seemed like the logical choice from the offers that stood…
If you want an in-depth of all the positions, I could do that, but I need to know if it is feasible in regards to people not reading the article due to theory and not fact.
Cheers
by RobbSeminole on Feb 16, 2012 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
i didn't either, just got a warning from the staff, so I figured they thought we were...
Great speculative questions, and THIS is what I was looking for ultimately…
Question 1: Why one commit over another from the offers? Will explain all of them jointly.
Question 2: Is the Mock based on previous offer update and hypothesized decision tree?
Exquisite questions, mind you. Truly. Why a Olsen over McCrary, a Green/Switzer over Bryant, Levenberry over Thomas? You broke it down, my friend.
Taking a projected look a year in advance, with skills fluctuating from the transition to the Senior rank, the summer ‘change’ for these gents, academics, offers, family, and all the other variables that can be in this formula…it is not possible to come up with something as down point as a by-numbers class of 2012. It just isn’t possible.
So that’s what I did…
I actually kept the commits to FSU on the list of 65, then removed what other team had already committed elsewhere, then the leans that were apparent as of February. Finally just looking at position needs and attrition, and the statistics (not the prestige) of said offers, I became drafting of who I actually could see playing for us…using last year as a guideline for recruiting and what these kids are possibly going to need to be offered to them to wear the Garnet and Gold…I looked at each player and said, why were YOU recruited as a sophomore/junior and what did the coaches see in you that made them want you to be a Nole? Probably a bit more philosophical than what people may have thought, but as mentioned, some dedication to my team was embedded in the list.
Unless you are in the scouting business or are in the know-who part of campus, you’re not going to be accurate, because you seriously don’t KNOW. Countless years of playing NCAA does not make you an expert of recruiting. Even if you, yourself, were recruited, you only know the basics (because truthfully, you’re a kid and you’re still having second thoughts about what summer job you’re going to get or the ‘perfect car’ for $2500) you get my drift, I’m sure.
In all honesty, when I come back to the states, and I slow down from deployment mode, I am going to look into becoming a scouting agent. I travel enough, why not evaluate our young recruits and maintaining the better half off of the statistics and the ceiling (and as a psych counselor, knowing how to internally read these kids to know if they possess the want to become NFL caliber players…) But that’s neither here nor there.
Thank you for the debate. I really do apologize for my smart-allecky quip when you were only wanting questions to my analysis…I hope this helped.
Having said that, like myself, I am sure you come to TN to get updates on your Noles. Though it is unofficial, would you like to see these updates on a routine basis if they are not articles by the moderators? Just wondering how many people would like the ’fan’’ collaboration of all the updates to the commits in the interim that an official recruiting chart is created? (Also let’s me know if my postings are worth the time I spend on them..)
Thanks once more…
by RobbSeminole on Feb 16, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
Just a reminder:
You posted this 10 days before NSD:
DISCLAIMER: No shooting the messenger; it is just my opinion…
Okay this is just my MOCK BOARD, nothing more..
C = current commit.
S = signed.
+ = NSD commit.
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#C = QB Sean Maguire (poss xfer 2013).
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#C = QB Jameis Winston.
#S = RB Delmarick “Mario” Pender (EE).
#C = WR Marvin Bracy.
#C = WR/ATH Ricardo Louis.
#= WR/ATH Stefon Diggs.
#C = TE Christo Kourtzidis.
#S = OL Daniel Glauser (EE).
#= OL Melenik Watson.
#= OL Kyle Long (Trickett special – actually works this time! Even with Kelly’s refusal of Bucs’ offer, it sends the recruit into split decision, in our favor.).
#C = DE Chris Casher.
#C = DE Mario Edwards, Jr..
#= DT Leonard Williams.
#C = DT Justin Shanks.
#= DT Eddie Goldman.
#= DB Reggie Northrup.
#C = DB P. J. Williams.
#= DB Ronald Darby.
#= DB Brian Poole.
#+= DB Colin Blake (POSS GREYSHIRT).
#C = K Roberto Aguayo (POSS GREYSHIRT).
#S = P Cason Beatty (EE).
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22 minus 2 greyshirts plus one possible Stuckey’s sign and place (below).
=21.
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This is my list of recruits we had a shot at, but fell short.
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//=targeted but went to other school.
dis=former commit, went to other school.
///=possible interest/pickup if room for scholly.
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#// = WR Nelson Agholor – USC.
#// = WR Monty Madaris – ND (slight possibility he signs if Diggs doesn’t).
#// = OT Andrus Peat – STAN (it makes sense he would stay in NEB unless family asks not to).
#// = OT Avery Young – UGA (slight possibility he signs if Long doesn’t).
#// = OT Jordan Diamond – WIS.
#// = OT Zach Banner – USC.
dis = DE Dante Fowler, Jr. – UF.
#// = DE Moana Ofahengaue – Utah.
#// = OLB Josh Harvey-Clemons – UF.
#// = OLB Kwon Alexander – AUB.
#// = DB Tracy Howard – LSU.
dis= LB Markuss Eligwe – UGA.
dis= DT Dalvon Stuckey (sign and place/Akron).
#// = Trae Elston – UF.
#// = ATH Davonte Neal – ARK.
#// = ATH Devin Fuller – RUT.
#// = ATH Joel Caleb – WV.
#/// = OL Caleb Gulledge – ALA (unless he is waiting on NSD to come to FSU).
#/// = OL Will Latu – USF/Akron.
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Deep within my SemiNole heart, I feel this is going to be very close to the findings by 3FEB (since the games are on the 1st).
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Semper Fidelis/Hooah.
Halfbreed RobbSeminole.
-currently in Afghanistan.
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by RobbSeminole on Jan 23, 2012 9:30 AM PST reply actions
I think it is cool that you are putting these together, but without any inside perspective, I think, as many people pointed out with the post I quoted, that this is a wishlist added on top of confirmed commitments. Nothing wrong with that, but I personally would rather see it in a recruiting thread than a fanpost. I think what Meehl was getting at is it doesn’t seem authoritative so much as purely speculative at this point. I have to agree. Nothing wrong with it and I like to see the level of work you put in, but it doesn’t really introduce anything new to the recruiting discussion. I like to think that fanposts introduce some new information that fuels discussion. Just my humble opinion. Take it for what it’s worth.
well then I guess my services are not needed then...
yes a wishlist is what this is, you got me…
I personally would like to see this from a more inside perspective also, but there wasn’t one. And truthfully, I am one that needs to see who and who we are not recruiting. DA-2 provides a much needed fanpost/thread concerning recruits that is crucial to my lifestyle. I thought this would help those who don’t have that luxury of the link to the university nor the time or capability to click random players that are posted in there and their tape on youtube. I get it, truly, that you come on here, you don’t want a fan telling you things without any inside perspective…
My announcement of the fanpost was WAY-TOO-EARLY, indicating my understanding that it was speculative and I my whole reason for posting was that I thought it would fuel discussion, just not digression from the routine posters.
And yes, I did post that NSD list 10 days before…it was a mock class, just as this one was. But I must disagree with you that it doesn’t bring up new information. There is no official list out concerning who has been offered at this point, what they are ranked (albeit very early for rankings that won’t matter) and who are interested in them. My whole conception of this was to appease the fans that did not have the time to research…
I respect your opinion, and mostly I agree with you. It just is disheartening to know that a Nole fan can produce something for the community and instead of saying thanks for the unofficial information, gets the cold shoulder and is told ‘thanks, but no thanks, I’ll wait until the moderators get time for the official list.’
So I’ll do just that….as before I will become the commenter rather than the poster and will happily await for the next post from our staff.
by RobbSeminole on Feb 14, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't mean to discourage you.
Wish lists are received differently than mock classes. Mock classes presume some kind of foresight, and thus the poster’s foresight is subjected to criticism. Wish lists are just about an ideal world, and are held to less scrutiny. However, if you were to published a “wish list” tomorrow, I’d probably complain that you were wishing at random without information to make an informed wish. :)
no I was serious...and you didn't discourage me...
I am a writer by (is trade applied if I an not published yet…?) and it is required by me to judge my works with a lot more scrutiny before it is complete.
Never have to worry about a wish list from me. The logic will be there, and I can go down the entire list and give you analysis on why they could probably be picked over another offer, as I did Olsen.
BUT…
If as a fanpost, it is unread, it is unessential to the reason why people come to TN. Period. I am happy reading everyone’s contributions without adding one line of mine if need be; as long as we are knowledgeable about our future recruits and the welfare of our beloved Noles…
by RobbSeminole on Feb 16, 2012 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
So why not just make a list of offers...
And put it inside a recruiting thread?
I’m not trying to beat you up. I can see you are very excited/passionate about posting and defending your posts.
thank you...
I did a fanpost though…I frequent my opinion in the thread as well…
Was just trying to find out the most effective way I could help out…that’s all…
I wish my passion would just stay concentrated on the article itself instead of going through a TN theory class…joking…but I appreciate the good, bad, and ugly when it comes to debate…
I’m excited and passionate about one thing: the Noles. Every way I can provide myself and the fans with some product I have considered for use makes me happy (even though there is a more likelihood that I will make the 2013 recruiting class than any of my ideas are actually utilized by the recruiting/coaching staff)
thanks again
by RobbSeminole on Feb 17, 2012 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
Wish the Noles were looking at OL Tanner Crow out of Panama City
This kid transferred to Bay High (Bert Reed’s former high school, and mine) for his senior year. He has good size (6’5" 300+) and plays mean. C’mon Trickett get on the ball!
My old high school
But I think Crow only made hm on the “all county” team…and it ain’t Dade, Broward, Duvall, Orange or Pinellis.
Crow has another year to grow into his big frame.
I did not realize Crow only was HM on the All County team in Bay, which consist of…what 5-6 high schools nowadays. Agree…Bay is no Dade, Broward, Duvall, etc. when it comes to HS football hotbeds of talent. When I went to Bay High the county only had 3 high schools. I do know that he visited UF last year, however that was probably an unofficial visit. I also read somewhere that as a sophomore this kid received some top lineman honor/award at an offseason camp. Again, I realize that there are a lot of camps and perhaps the one he attended was not at all prestigious?
Well hopefully Trickett can do good things to add to Glauser...
he is recruiting other positions as well this year, so good luck bringing in the Noles!!!
by RobbSeminole on Feb 14, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
I like your thinking
but I believe we NEED to sign more than 2 LBs.
I also feel comfortable in saying that Mario Mathis will get an offer and will commit to us at that point. I know your list was predicated on having an offer (as of the writing), hence his exclusion.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Yes, thank you for understanding
I am sure there are reasons why we don’t end up with any of the recruits I posted and reasons why we could end up with ALL of them…
I am not psychic, by any means. I agree with you that we need more than 2 LBs but looking at who was offered, I just do not see us getting all of them offered. My opinion for what that is worth…
Mario Mathis I will add to my recommended database…
Thanks again for your input
by RobbSeminole on Feb 14, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
It’s way too early for mock classes, IMO. But to each their own. Looking at this list, I bet less than 50% sign with FSU. But it’s interesting and fun early.
Thank you Bud
I agree it is way too early, hence the name of the post.
I hope more than 50% sign here; otherwise we are not going to have a top class this year. We’d have to pull Nkemdiche, Foster, and all the service favorites with their pretty stars and numbers. I know it is not about rankings and prestige, truly; I just want to know that we can grab quality recruits and be a force in the other schools not getting their talent pool for 2013.
Being Saban’s former coach, it almost feels like CJF is more like little brother on recruiting day, good, but not better than big brother (Almost how Stoops feels at thanksgiving, I’m sure)
It truly is appreciated that you commented on my post and that you found it interesting and fun…it was the sole reason I posted it: to invoke some discussions and get some heat within the community for something Seminole sports related. I am a FSU junkie; gotta have it daily. Can’t watch enough sports over here so my fix is only TN. Thanks again.
by RobbSeminole on Feb 14, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
I propose a mock, mock class.
Or is it too early for that?
I accept Process...as long as it yields immediate beneficial results.
might be...
but you’re welcome to produce one…I’ll sure look at it!
by RobbSeminole on Feb 15, 2012 5:49 AM EST up reply actions
I am not going to turn this mock class into some kind of...
You were going to say “mockery”, weren’t you?
before we jump into it...
maybe we should generate a few pre-mock, mock, trial balloons?
I accept Process...as long as it yields immediate beneficial results.
Keep it up, and your head down over there.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 15, 2012 5:24 AM EST up reply actions
will do...and will do...
thanks for the support…in both places
by RobbSeminole on Feb 15, 2012 5:47 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree that they need more than half of these to sign a top class. Some of these kids are not even good. They are just hyped early.
this question...
is what we are ALL wondering…?
by RobbSeminole on Feb 16, 2012 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
See, bud, you have the in, man...
All I want to do is get a grasp on our recruiting class for 2013. I know you all are busy, so I took the time to see how these players related to what the services were ranking them. I am sure the hype is there and that was accounted for….
BUT…
…I picked no one that FSU had not offered….
…I suggested certain replacements that seemed good from what video there was and that we had NOT offered…
…Looking back to 2012, oh 16 days ago, we see what it takes to have a top class…do I think we had the top class, HELLSYEA! Did everyone else, NO. BAMA right now has 6 legitimate 5 and 4 stars that are NOT hype. could end up with (1) 5* (Serat) and (3) 4*/ (1) 3* when it’s all said in done, from today’s commits only, but its speculation at most right now…
…I doubt I speak for the majority, but who ever wants to stand me is welcome to. All we want is to have some semblance of what 2013 COULD look like. A Nole fanatic can only get so much of the Seminole drug…B-Ball/Softball/WVU replacement/ACC-B12-SEC conference battles/updates….we need our fix!
I realize wholeheartedly that this list was premature. I also realize that maybe it is not my place to submit this to the readers of TN. But as an addendum to the recruiting thread that is so successful, why not get a perspective away from campus if there is no update being provided? You may be entirely right, and no one signs from this list, and we may pull Nkemdiche and Foster away from BAMA, and sign the top 34 in the country…
…but it wasn’t SUPPOSED to be right, it wasn’t SUPPOSED to be news…it was supposed to be a fanpost.
We as fans look up to you and the other moderators with respect (well, I do) and we look forward to seeing things written about our Noles. I am not a moderator and I don ‘t have any way of becoming one at this time. However, I write. When I write, as long as people are talking about my work and not criticizing it for its defects, I’m relatively happy. In the future, maybe I’ll replace that Bianchi punkass and give some insight to Florida news overall. But for now, if people are asking for updates on recruits and in mere minutes I can get the most up-to-date on the recruit other that direct knowledge, than I’m going to help…unless I’m told not to. Let’s face it, this is a forum and is controlled by you all. If there is contradictory information that is coming from different sources, than yes, I prefer YOUR updates.
We just want to know how this is shaping out. That’s all…
by RobbSeminole on Feb 16, 2012 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
Let's set up some risky predictions
What % of players in your mock do you think are in the final 2013 signing class?
If we end up with a % of your mock class below a certain amount, it would make it look like you were foolish to guess this early. For you personally, what % is it that below it you’d never post an early mock class again?
I think ALL of my mock players were going to make it....
which is why they were on there….
ALL I was doing was giving information and taking those set toward the team per what I wrote you earlier above…
I was not FOOLISH nothing. THIS is the kind of crap a troll would post, and discourage people not to submit something because of the comments from the readers…
lucky for me, I’m not THAT type of writer…
so…100% isn’t below anything, so I guess you can look forward to another mock class in the future…
by RobbSeminole on Feb 16, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
"I was not FOOLISH nothing"
can I get a minus rec for bad grammar?
by RobbSeminole on Feb 16, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
BTW...
this is why most thought we were sparring…go back and read your intent versus how it came out…
if you say in one comment, didn’t mean to discourage you, and in another you say that I can do cross analysis on my work to see if it was a waste of time…you can kinda see where the push-pull factor of the reader/moderator shows you are abrasive…
…brings too many un-fond memories of a certain recruit that is a Gator now and played that push-pull game REAL well (Yes, Im a Nole…wait, sike, Im a Gator…NSD FOOLS!)
If you have nothing productive, man, please don’t play with my emotions with this psychological game; I am a psych counselor, it WON’T work…
by RobbSeminole on Feb 16, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I stated my question poorly, which is why you took offense. Let me try again
Let us say only NO ONE from your mock class ends up in the 2013 signing class for FSU. You’d probably laugh and say to yourself, “Man that was foolish! I should probably wait at least until March to make a mock class!” 0% is kind of extreme, though. What is the % for you at which you’d change your future behavior in regards to mock classes? 50%? 25%?
A mock class obviously doesn’t have to be perfect to be valuable. For me personally, I’d be impressed if you get more than 50% of those names right.
for everyone on here...
it shouldn’t matter if I get any of them right…it doesn’t even matter to me, which is why the waiting until March theory wouldn’t fly either…
as previously reminded, I submitted a mock list days prior to the actual NSD and got relatively the same responses…“WHY would you submit a mock list when there’s no guarantee any of those players will sign?” “Looks like a wishlist” “No official sources” so on and so on…
Once more, the heading to my article specifies that is was and will always be a WAY-TOO-EARLY mock class. I know for a fact that the percentage of players on the list is not high for accepting. No amount of research will tell me otherwise, and the picks above were just that, picks, based on logical progression of this year.
Having said that, as always in theories, if you add a certain variable, you alter the outcome. So not on my original list was Michael Johnson, who was offered and accepted after the list was produced. There was a lean away from FSU for Levenberry due to the rumor of not having contact with FSU in a month. Add to that countless derivatives which may prove you and everyone else’s point on here and negate my entire post.
Congratulations, you won. A TN fan has been proved wrong for hypothesizing a future class for FSU. Kudos!
But take heed that I will not be stopping my updates…nor if I beat TN’s odds and this ends up being the class will I rub it in anyone’s face.
This class is realistic, there were neither blue chips which we as Nole fans think we deserve due to the last two recruiting classes, nor were there low-variabled players to fill position needs alone (1-2*s) which are uncharacteristic from historical offers.
If we are expecting almost an average of 30 players to sign for FSU this year, to the coaches it doesn’t matter about numbers…it matters about spotting talent, obtaining it, and utilizing it to help us for our 2013 climb to the top (hopefully again).
No more justification, no more sparring, no more formulas…there are other debates worth our judgment IMHO. Scheduling crisis, 2012 position changes, SoS, etc.
Look forward to your comments for my updates at the top of the month
by RobbSeminole on Feb 17, 2012 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
Meehl...
to direct your questions solely…
I wouldn’t laugh at all and say that. On February 2, I would’ve looked at it and said, “Dang, FSU missed out on a LOT of talent and didn’t get over half of the high recruits it had offered…sucks not having a top 25 class after two consecutive years at the top…”
As for the percentages for me to change my behavior, that is still 0%. Even with blunt criticism, the only way I wouldn’t submit another more accurate list would be because I couldn’t (lack of internet capability, loss of TN membership, etc.) Congrats to you for not discouraging me…
A mock class obviously doesn’t have to be perfect to be valuable.
Not sure what you’re implying. Is this useful or useless to you?
For me personally, I’d be impressed if you get more than 50% of those names right.
You, Bud, and probably everyone else on this site…I defend it by saying, I’m not a coach, I’m not on the recruiting staff, and I’m not in the know. So if mock class=wishlist, then so be it…
by RobbSeminole on Feb 17, 2012 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
maybe...
but as law says below, now the content is overshadowed by the repetitive back-and-forths…
so…feel free to remark (and link back) when I post the next one…but this bickering is stopping as of now because this is the last one from my side…
by RobbSeminole on Feb 17, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
And people wonder why Congress
spends more time trading barbs than in passing meaningful legislation.
For me, this started out being informative but the train left the tracks.
by law74 on Feb 17, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
thank you for the comment...
all i was looking for was to see if it had content and meaning to you all…
by RobbSeminole on Feb 17, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Robb,
I wasn’t against this post at all, I just thought you put the content in the wrong place. If you put it in the recruiting thread, you’d get more hits/discussion. I think it’s great that you put in the time on this, I don’t have a lot of time to research this stuff myself. I have a couple of questions/ideas for future posts that maybe you could work on:
1) Who do you think are on Jimbo’s short list for DC when Stoops leaves? My thought here is no one has put this type of information together even though we all know it’s coming.
2) How about 2014 recruits? Who were the standout sophomores that everyone is salivating over or on junior watch lists? Any leads on where they might go?
3) Win shares predictions for 2013, 2014, and 2015 seasons. It’s never too early to start thinking about success in future seasons.
4) Fumble recovery analysis – how have we done in the past and how do you see us doing in 2013? Will there be improvement?
5) A list of sign and place or ineligible recruits – a veritable ‘where are they now?’ of missed opportunities the last 5 years and what they are up to these days. What kind of impact would they have had on our team – in other words, should we have wanted them or no?
by Aussierat on Feb 18, 2012 7:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
what a remarkable to-do list...
A couple of these are being worked on already by yours truly, but nothing is set in stone…
I feel really honored that you would think I could achieve any of these with more than good chance of pleasing the fans on here…
I look forward to working on these…as well as my March recruit update
by RobbSeminole on Feb 18, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions

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