2013 Recruiting Discussion Thread #1 [CLOSED]
by DA-2 on Feb 2, 2012 6:40 PM EST
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First
BCS win and another top 3 class this upcoming season.
1-day ban for firsting
2011 winner of the DocHoliday2 MS Paint/Photoshop Award. So I've got that going for me.
You sound like my girlf...
Oh you said firsting. Nevermind
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 11:25 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 14 recs
Am I the meanest? Am I the prettiest? Am I the baddest mofo low down around this town? Well who am I? Who am I?
I can't hear you..
by STAquinasNole on Feb 3, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Nah
My ex didnt like firsting
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by newdynastynole on Feb 3, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
That’s why she’s an ex.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
by RollNole5 on Feb 3, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
truth
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by newdynastynole on Feb 3, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Grannie. Id. Really....
#takeyodenturesoutbabydoll
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
by Scalpemall on Feb 4, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that, and why is this a declarative statement?
shouldnt it be a question? or are you just really excited that you guess who you see at malls?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
by nole07 on Feb 3, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Should be a command, not a question.
Should also not have the"I" in there, “guys, guess who I saw at the mall.”
Regardless, at some point I imagine he’ll just tell us…
You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 3, 2012 9:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
buzzkill
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Definitely a command
Hence no question mark
A ! is definitely appropriate, though.
Jump!
Go!
Fetch!
Suck my …!
All appropriate uses of a !
Imperitive was the word I was looking for
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbI-fDzUJXI
If it’s not done by sunrise, I’ll cut your balls off…
*imperative*
#toobserve&correct
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
Gators are taking an early lead in 2013
they signed Mcmillian and Hearns….. wtf!
not signed just committed; they also got commitments from Taj Williams and Reggie Davis; cleaning up at Lincoln (HC is from Gator Jaquez Green, plus we have a bad track record there)
I cant find any where that taj and reggie commited
by Noles44 on Feb 2, 2012 9:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Let’s agree to never mention JG’s name on this site again. I’m still trying to figure out how to get the dagger out of my heart from that game in the late 90s when we gave up a 60 or so yard bomb to him to blow a sure-fire win in the swamp with under, what?, two minutes left. I think we were ranked number 1 at the time!
You think?!?
It was 1997 and we were on our way to the National Championship when Spurrier pulled that Noah Brindise/Jesse Palmer switch the QB after every play strategy. It was 3rd and long and we were in man coverage on an island. Fred Taylor punched it in two plays later and I have yet to receive my just revenge for that. Take away that play and we play in 5 straight National Championships from ‘96-’00.
It seems as surreal in my memory today as it did that night. It was painful, but also just flat out bizarre that we weren’t covering dep. I think I undershot the yardage, too. I seem to recall they were deep in their end, at least the 20, so it may have been a 70 yard gain…
form our 20 to your 15, so around 65 yards
by PullingGuardGator on Feb 3, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
He looks like he expected safety over the top help.
But #11(Jackson?) was way late getting there.
by PullingGuardGator on Feb 3, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Dexter "Gangsta Flea" Jackson
I had the intense displeasure of attending a game at Shanks HS in Quincy while he was playing there. It was their homecoming, 1994, and I was in the band at Pace HS. I remember this because the announcer announced it after every single thing. He also gave players direction on the field. “Dexter Gangsta Flea Jackson under center. Drops back, rolls right, oh look out Flea, there’s Pace boys all over that way! Go the other way! Oh, he’s goin the other way, nobody’s over there, touchdown Shanks! Touchdown, at Homecomin, Ninety-Four!”
I wish I was making that up.
The Mistake Happened Prior to that Play
When Bowden kicked a field goal down on the goal line instead of going for it and either salting the game away with a touchdown or leaving the Gators with 99 yards to go and a field goal kicker who hadn’t hit a damn thing all day.
Worst game management decision of all time.
Is the poster known as FSU actually Terry Saban? And why does TN not want you to know?
by csfuu on Feb 2, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I sat in the swamp....and threw up in my mouth that day....
"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
I wish we would've called a time out that drive
It seemed like they went hurry up and every play was working. Wished we settled the defense and break their momentum up.
I'm nit picking but that play was on 1st and 10.
by PullingGuardGator on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think it was IMMEDIATE. Right after they got the ball back. It was the worst thing ever, closely followed by WWII.
by SolidNole on Feb 3, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Where are you finding commitment from Taj and Davis? All I can see is Hearns from the Lincoln trio
by nole your enemy on Feb 2, 2012 10:09 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
The gator boards are saying they are waiting to drop the commits until they get diggs
by Noles44 on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What was that?
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The gator boards are saying they are waiting to drop the commits until they get diggs
by Noles44 on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Excuse me?
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by DRusso97 on Feb 3, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The gator boards are saying they are waiting to drop the commits until they get diggs
by Noles44 on Feb 2, 2012 10:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You wouldn't happen to know
what the gator boards are saying, would you?
Somewhere beyond the barricade, is there a world you long to see?
by Sir Lawrence J on Feb 2, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
properly: "Hat Trick"
but I’m old school
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
by fmnole on Feb 3, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
1 more time?
Inevittabbuhhhhh!!!!
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Lincoln HS has been steering kids away from FSU for a long time. They got their nose out of joint when they were expecting FSU to take some of their "lesser" players
in order to get the “Blue Chippers” simply because FSU was the local (home) team. When FSU finally got tired of their strong arm tactics the Lincoln kids started being encouraged to go elsewhere. Now that JG is the HC I dont expect it to get any better. Think about all the Lincoln kids that were super highly rated that turned out to be busts. FSU put that HS on the map and lots of their kids were getting way way overrated simply from the success FSU had there.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Feb 3, 2012 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
HC is Yusuf Shakir
Jaquez Green is on the staff though.
green isnt the HC -- just OC
head coach is yusuf shakir (graduated from wisconsin).
thought I remember reading Shakir wqas leaving and Green taking over
regardless, Green has a major influence there and our track record in the last decade almost now, is crap at Lincoln
I'm not upset about not landing Lincoln kids
They have about an 80% bust potential
by spanky96 on Feb 4, 2012 9:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
ESPN
has a pretty good list of 2013 top 100 prospects. A lot of familar names on there…. go check it out if you have access.
damn
only another 364 more days to go…. this roller coaster ride never ends. All about the Seminole Train!!!
sadly enough
I’m browing this thread at 1:34 a.m. looking for my fix…. all the signs of addiction!!!
by StM on Feb 3, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, so an early look at OL.
Austin Golson (committed)
Laremy Tunsil (#1 priority on the board probably)
Patrick Kugler
Logan Tulley-Tillman
Joe Fennell
Who else should we be keeping an eye on?
Tulley-Tillman is a must.
Just so I can say his last name for 4 years.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
by FTSNole on Feb 2, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Anyone have some insight on the 3 kids already committed to FSU?
I know we have a DT, OT, and CB.. All 3 are ESPN 150 watch list.
If life gives you lemons, go ahead and punch a Gator fan.
Golson is a real solid four-star prospect on the O-line.
DT Marquedius Bain has great size, but people feel that his competition is suspect? (not sure)
Sojourn Shelton is interesting because FSU jumped on him before others during camp this past summer. He is a smaller CB at 5’9, 160 lbs but has been lighting it up in camps. OSU and UF apparently are going to come after him.
Tim Tebow is poopie.
according to 247
Golson is a 4 star 93
Shelton is a 3 star 89
Bain is a 3 star 83
by TheRenegade29 on Feb 4, 2012 8:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
2013 eh? Alright!
Welp see ya later 2012!
F-L-O-R-I-D-A S-T-A-T-E FLORIDA STATE FLORIDA STATE FLORIDA STATE WOOOOOOOO!!!
KTBFFH!!
#JesusisLord
by Noleforever9399 on Feb 2, 2012 10:01 PM EST reply actions
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If life gives you lemons, go ahead and punch a Gator fan.
by JaxJagNole on Feb 2, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
A place where the beer flows like wine..
Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano.
If life gives you lemons, go ahead and punch a Gator fan.
I'm talking about a little place called "Aspen"....
….I don’t know Lloyd; the French are assholes.
by CrimiNole Defense on Feb 3, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
About how many open spots should we have open for next season?
I count 17 seniors on scholarship and 3 early draft entries in Rhodes, C Jones, and Werner for at least 20. But does anyone know how many spots we carried over from this last cycle?
Do you project a top 5 class for 2013?
"A better ending could not have been scripted. Of course, if we had won, that would have been better." -Bobby Bowden
Not Bud, but yes.
Given the numbers, and hopefully some on-field production, I don’t see us not getting a top 5.
Thanks
I have heard multiple people mention how we are getting a slow start on the 2013 class, but I dont know how true that is.
"A better ending could not have been scripted. Of course, if we had won, that would have been better." -Bobby Bowden
I don't think it is necessarily true.
I believe Bud has refuted that rumor and has stated perhaps it seems that way only because the staff was making a very hard push for the 2012 guys up until signing day.
by Logan Syverson on Feb 3, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
with you and Bud, Jr days coming up expect to see some commits there.
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First is further up the thread
He says Feb 25th
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If by Top 5, you mean
a class with high-quality talent that fills positional needs and increases the likelihood of winning a NC, then yes.
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I expect FSU to have a consensus top-2 class.
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Ya once the APR score shoots up, goodbye dead weight
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 10:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
2013?
or end of this year?
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I would like someone to write up a Fan Post explaining APR….I am sure I am not the only one who has no idea how that all works..
by CrimiNole Defense on Feb 10, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Out with the old....
Bushido247 Scott
Mario Jr on Fowler “I think he was worried about the depth chart, and he didn’t think he could get any playing time. That’s what he told me”
In with the New:
Bushido247 Scott
2013 OL Logan Tuley-Tillman of Peoria (IL.) will visit #FSU this summer for an entire week. 6’5, 275, big time offers.
"Mario Jr on Fowler "I think he was worried about the depth chart, and he didn’t think he could get any playing time. That’s what he told me"
Awesome, we should get that quote printed up on some shirts.
Word is
Trickett has already printed pictures of Fowler and put them on the OL’s lockers.
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 2, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Which is what G5, Bert Reed and Damon McDaniel did as well
And countless others
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 2, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
How they handled it was different
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 2, 2012 11:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Mario subtley call DF a puss.
Love it.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Feb 3, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
i think James Hearns just still excited from his visit to UF on monday and thats why he was quick to pull the tigger because there is no reason we should be losing a kid like that from our own back yard to uf.....
by FearThaSpearWeAreFSU on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 PM EST reply actions
Not sure Hearns is ever a take for us
McMillian on the other hand is hard to take.
Hearns has tweener written all over him (Mike/DE), not sure he’s got the lateral quicks to stay at LB or the body type to be big enough to be effective as a DE in our system. JMO.
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by RishiM on Feb 3, 2012 2:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This assumes FSU wants Hearns. I do not think that they do.
McMillian? He’s a stud. Wants to be a Gator.
For now...
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 10:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
arg, hti enter by mistake
meant to say, we won’t give up on him, but he is a strong gator fan/commit
Ha. Literally the worst spot to hit enter.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
Will he still be if they go 7-5 this year?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 7:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Can someone tell me who the UF locks are for this class?
So I know who we will be signing next Feb.
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 2, 2012 10:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He's not that good imo
but yeah.
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 2, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
wow are you serious
i’ve never in my life seen a 17 year old kid move the way he does at that size… his lateral quickness is not even comparable to anyone who has played high school. Think Reggie White or even ME Jr.
I'm just giving Clowney his due
one of the best high school players EVER, not just 2011.
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I agree he is a definite stud but I think Nekem.... however you spell it....
is going to make a similar splash.
Idk about Nkemdiche, early reports are that we actually have a chance.
Although I really don’t know much about the 2013 class
the report i saw
Said him and Reuben Foster are both bama locks. Nkemdiche’s coach played at bama so most bama insiders see him as having a huge influence on that.
by Cee on Feb 3, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Some article on ESPN.com
just has him rattling off a list of favorites, and while Alabama is surely there, so are we. UF, joy of joys, is not. Nor was any other ACC school IIRC.
Given that we just stole three for three in head to head matchups with Bama, I’d say we have a chance.
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Absolutely, but FSU actually has a legitimate shot.
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Having Jenkins and Werner drafted in the top 50 picks
Definitely wont hurt us. Its always nice to show roster space via multivmillion dollar contracts….
by Widespread Seminole on Feb 4, 2012 8:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately, they won't be drafted until after NSD.
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But they will declare for the draft before NSD
and the staff can use mock drafts. But regrdless, Werner will open up a spot early.
If I came across something on another free site, and it was totally ridiculous, could I post a link to it here?
I just want to be sure so I don’t get in any trouble.
It is a list another site put together of this years class of High School QBs.
They have broken them down into 6 different categories: Top 10, Sleepers, Overrated, All or Nothing, Highest Floor, and Most Likely to be #1 Pick.
They have 1 kid in the "Top Ten, Overrated, and Most Likely to be #1 Pick"
They have another kid in the "Top Ten, Overrated, All or Nothing, and Highest Floor"
How could you be in categories that completely contradict each other, and they were put together be the same people. This is also just a small taste of the stupidity I have found over there. I would be glad to post a link, if I am given the Green Light.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
Sorry, I didn't come back and post the link. My computer crashed, and not a fender bender kind of crash; it was more like a, drove off a cliff and burst into flames after about a hundred foot fall.
Anyway, yes it was “The Ringer”, I don’t have the link on this computer, so I can’t put it up. Sorry again.
I have to get off this computer, I hope to have a new one soon.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 8, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Just don't make a fanshot if it's Bleacher Report.
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 3, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I asked them about that
they said the Top 10 was polled by the panel; while the other lists were just the names mentioned by the panel, not voted on; so, if one guy loves Winston, he will be on the most likely #1, but another could add him as overrated.
Offfers
We have 50 Offers, they don’t seem to be committable offers, as that one RB that wanted to commit that we didn’t accept it.
However, FU and Alabama are offering everybody also. The competition for 2013 is starting out to be fierce.
Is Jeremy Johnson (Carver High-Montgomery, AL) an FSU target?
I know JF likes at least one QB every cycle and at 6’5 210, the kid has the specs. Everyone I talk to locally says he is special.
Official reader of Tomahawk Nation.
Says he's from Alabama...
Bama kids are FSU locks(!)
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by zewhitedevil on Feb 3, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I know JF is high on the Olson kid from NJ and also the McCrary kid from the Atlanta area...
Those were the 2 names I remember that stood out at JF camp this past summer.
Still on 2012
But, did anyone have a better NSD than Odell? He brought in Goldman, Darby and Northrupp! (I did not previously know Northrupp was his).
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It's good to see Odell making it.
I remember after he was cut by the 49ers, he was really at a low point. Came to a Jax Seminole booster meeting and obviously didn’t know what he was going to do and selling cars was not it. We got the President of the Boosters to have a meeting with Bobby about Odell and the next thing we knew he was at FSU. The story just gets better and better-for a great person. Congrats Odell.
Worked out great, but
Nice to know that Bobby hired the same way for 20 some odd years.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 10:21 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
Yea, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
by Meehl on Feb 3, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec. I use this quote frequently.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude
by pasadenanole22 on Feb 3, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree with this line of thinking
The totality of Coach Bowden’s work for FSU is amazing. He took a losing program and fashioned a dynasty. He built the foundation of our program, hired an excellent staff and had an unprecedented 14 years in the top five with two NCs!! No one else has ever come close to this. His biggest fault was an excess of loyalty IMO.
We owe him more than we could ever express.
Maybe one has to be old enough to remember pre-Bowden Nole ball to truly appreciate what he did for the entire Seminole Nation.
NoleDoc
See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
by Noledock on Feb 4, 2012 7:58 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Get even a little older and you can remember Bill Peterson,
The Magnificent Seven, Sellers, Hammond, Bilitnikoff, Tensi…
and you are aware that BB did not invent football at FSU. Let’s give Bobby full credit for creating something truly great then nearly destroying it (because he had become a demi-god, and that’s never really healthy).
Maybe one has to be old enough to remember pre-Bowden
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
by fmnole on Feb 4, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
“then nearly destroying it”. Please. It’s hard to fathom that on an FSU website someone could even come up with this phrase, its extreme content. This is the ultimate what-have-you-done-for-me-lately. Noledock, be careful, there is no website you’ll find with more Bowden-stabbing than this one. None.
I didn't stab Bowden...
but I could might make a case for him stabbing me. But I won’t because it’s all been said. If you are one of those who mistakenly believes that FSU football was nothing before he got here and that he deserved 2 Million + per year in perpetuity while he missed in-homes to take paid speaking engagements, took naps and hired old incompetent friends, fine. And maybe the reason you’ll find a lot of people here who do not worship at Bobby’s shrine because there are lots of people here who are objective.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
let's define our terms and have at it
I’ll define the “brink” of destruction as losing 30-0 at home, when favored, to Wake Forest with the stands 2/3 empty.
Flesh wound, in your opinion?
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
And this year? Wake, Virginia (at home)? Please, let’s stop. I think your arguments and fundamental point are weak at best. You’re not going to give any ground yourself. I’m content with the fact that this thread of posts has both viewpoints. Let’s stop.
Halo
As Bobby said back in the early 80s, a halo can become a noose very quickly. FSU will forever be indebted to Bowden for the 34 years of running an “above the fray” program. Maybe last few years showed the chinks in the armour, but I will happliy trade 5 bad years for 30 great years.
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Annoyed Sports Radio Host: I'm looking for one brave Gators fan to call, just one. Oh so Gators fans talk trash all the time but when they play a game and lose nobody has the guts to call in?
Leonard: What are Gators?
Henry Desalvo: Football. College.
Confused Sports Radio Call In: I'm a Gators fan.
Annoyed Sports Radio Host: And what do you have to say?
Confused Sports Radio Call In: You said that Gators fans don't have the guts to call in.
Annoyed Sports Radio Host: Your point?
Confused Sports Radio Call In: My point is that I'm calling you now.
Leonard: [notices Snake and Eddie escorting Arthur wearing dark-colored pantyhose on their head] Is that him?
Henry Desalvo: I think we got Gator fans.
by RWHUGHESJR on Feb 4, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
5 bad years?
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
5 mediocre, then 5 bad...
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Feb 4, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough. People are much too sensitive about Bobby.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
Bingo
Now take that to heart. Jimbo could be a really great coach…. but we’ll never have another Bobby ( Jimbo will never have the opportunity to do what Bobby did- floor is too high, the ceiling too low)
by thejourney on Feb 5, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The floor is high
Jimbo is young enough and regardless of where he is in 5 years he has shown he can rebild a program and get elite recruting classes without having proved anything. I would beg to differ to say his ceiling is to low. He wont win as many games. But his ceiling is awfully high, may never reach it. But its still up there
A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
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Jimbo will never have the opportunity to do what Bobby did- floor is too high, the ceiling too low
by CrimiNole Defense on Feb 10, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
What I meant to say is, you cannot triple stamp a double stamp.
by CrimiNole Defense on Feb 10, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Rec brother!!
NoleDoc
See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
I wish we have a couple more national championships for those 30 years
I’d trade 10 or 20 years for 1 or 2 more of those
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
bad luck and a Miami that was still paying players
Hell the year of WR1 was the first year they narrowed the goal posts in the NCAA, the year before the kick is good. Single plays that happen 1 year to late change history
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you seemed to have missed my fundamental point
which was, briefly, building it does not allow you to tear it down, (unless it’s a sand-castle at the beach)
But I’m done. Thanks.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
by fmnole on Feb 4, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Say what you want....
But we do owe BB a lot….he’s the reason why FSU is what it is today….from damn near owning the mid to late eighties and all of the early 90s….those teams are what these prospects parents remember….what their coaches remember….wanna know why we get good linebackers?….because people remember the beasts we had in that time period when we were curb stomping everyone….same goes for D Ends….wanna go to the NFL?….FSU again….the reputation precedes itself….you really don’t think that this is all Jimbo do you?….it’s partly the reputation and the brand that BB created and maintained for so long. Sure he went out on a low note, but let’s not discount what he did for FSU as a school and a program
by Jerseynole on Feb 4, 2012 10:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Never discounted his achievements
but never agreed with his right to disassemble what he, with a great deal of help from others, built.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Solid Nole and Jerseynole
The point we are trying to make is not that the program stayed at dynasty level until the end. It went a ways south under Coach’s last few years. He should own that. But there is a difference in staying too long and wrecking the program.
His contributions to FSU are uniquely significant in all of college football. The up greatly overwhelms the down.
In addition, Coach Bowden is a better man than he was a coach. He was the face of our Seminole family for decades. I was always proud that he was ours and grateful that he did so doggone much for our school. He makes us all proud and brothers and sisters, he does NOT deserve the over-the-top, sometimes vicious criticism that he gets on TN quite frequently. Before you continue to throw dung at Coach Bowden, YOU contribute one tenth as much as he did. When that happens, you’ll earn respect. Until then, know that your spoiled, narcissistic and arrogant opinions bring discredit upon us all!
NoleDoc
See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
Sorry to go
over the top myself. I apologize. I feel like I have to defend my father or something when it comes to Coach.
He is a friend of mine and a genuine treasure. I am so glad he’s our treasure.
NoleDoc
See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
I actually liked this post for the first 90% despite not agreeing with any of it. The last 10%, however, made you seem delusional and happy to live in ignorant bliss.
I’m not a fan of sentimentality and that may be the problem that many people have with the Bowden issue. Many members here use the term objective, which I feel applies to the views on Bobby, but I think the more appropriate word may be non-sentimental. If that is viewed as “what have you done for me lately”, fine. I accept that is my line of thinking. The difference between the events at FSU and say Tenn with Phil Fulmer (only other situation I could recall where a long term successful coach was fired for on-field performance) is Bowden was given 5 years to correct the program. Fulmer had 2 down years and was out. Where else has a coach but allowed to stay at an institution that long to turn it around after sustained past success? I believe that 5 years proved the program was not going to turn around, and rather just continue to tread water.
For everything Bobby stood for as a person, it had no bearing on wins and losses on the field towards the end. Press conferences that showed an inability to remember important details just highlighted the lack of leadership the football program had at the time. As a fan, I personally always felt like a kid who has a brother that doesn’t shower. Everyone notices but you just pray it never gets brought up.
For a once proud program, the last few years of Bowden era was anything but sweet. I have trouble understanding how anyone can disagree with this if looked at objectively or without the sentimentality.
Article with PC quotes post Clemson: http://deadspin.com/5401798/bobby-bowden-acts-his-age-forgets-score
If you couldnt agree with any of my post
But you liked it anyway. . And you suggest I’m delusional?
That speaks for itself.
As for living in ignorant bliss, I’d take the first part sometimes if I could have the last part.
I think you are missing the point here. No one is in denial about the last few Bowden years or that he should have left 5 or so yrs earlier. The point I’m making has to do with recognizing the overall impact he made and showing the man the respect he deserves.
And, the article you linked to is reflective of his decline.
That doesn’t change the fact that we all stand on the shoulders of the great men and women of old. Shame on us if we, as a society, show our former heroes no respect.
I’m no longer the man I once was either. Thank God and my terrific family that they still treat this old man with love and respect.
It’s much easier to understand respect for our past heroes when one is past ones heroics.
Go Noles!!
NoleDoc
See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
It was well worded and presented.
There is no problem with recognizing a well thought out response, whether in agreement or not.
I understand your point about standing on the shoulders of past men, etc. I saw it and lived it everyday while I was in the Navy. Those heroes that I worked for had their time come to an end as well and not all of them left the service of their own accord. It happens in all walks of life, but that doesn’t mean we forget their impact despite their decaying ability to lead at the end. With that said, it didn’t stop us from discussing the issues that resulted within our command due directly to their poor leadership.
Their is no lack of respect from being truthful about the matter. Bobby stayed past the time in which he should have. No one in any capacity should have job security indefinitely, regardless of what they have achieved.
Lastly, I agree with this statement completely:
As for living in ignorant bliss, I’d take the first part sometimes if I could have the last part.
You comparing yourself and your family to Bowden and FSU is a completely ridiculous analogy. Are you being paid millions to love and care for your family?
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
Of course, why couldn't I see it?
Now that you point it out, it really is a ridiculous analogy.
NoleDoc
See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
Bobby gets a Lifetime Achievement award, fine.
But the emperor had no clothes for nearly a decade and out of respect, no one said anything. We did a disservice to the man by anointing him.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
by fmnole on Feb 5, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This was over the top and uncalled for.
Until then, know that your spoiled, narcissistic and arrogant opinions bring discredit upon us all!
You are entitled to your opinion just like others are entitled to theirs. If you can’t make a point without getting personal, you will no longer be allowed to post here.
Thank you.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Feb 5, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well said brother Nole!!
Rec
NoleDoc
See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
FSU football had some history...
If you are one of those who mistakenly believes that FSU football was nothing before he got here
But it wasn’t much…two bowl wins EVER. Like 5 wins the previous 3 years including an 0-11 season. There was talk of scrubbing the whole program. Where the program was when he took over compared to where it is when he left…HUGE difference even with the crappy decade.
Now back to recruiting…
Gripper
Tommyhawk Nation: Bobby Bowden is the all-time ACC leader in conference titles, conference wins, total wins, winning percentage, bowl appearances & wins and owns the longest conference winning streak.
"Peterson is the one who can be credited with putting Florida State on the national map"
The facts speak for themselves.
According to Florida State’s 2008 football media guide, “Florida State’s arrival on the national map occurred during Peterson’s eleven seasons as head coach.” While at FSU, Peterson would be recognized for his offensive innovations as well as a number of significant firsts for that fledging football program. Peterson became the first Seminole coach to beat the University of Florida, a 16–7 win at Doak Campbell Stadium. Peterson also coached the Seminoles to their first win ever at Florida Field. Under Peterson, Fred Biletnikoff would become the Seminoles first All-American. Peterson also recruited the Seminoles first black football players, including J.T. Thomas, the first black to ever play varsity football at FSU. In recognition of his many accomplishments at Florida State, “H” style goal posts were added to the field at Doak Campbell Stadium in 2002 and have been named, “Pete’s Posts”.
“(Peterson) also developed a high level of discipline on and off the field and an unusual number of pro quarterbacks. His wide-open passing offense was the antithesis of what most SEC and southern teams did and his forward thinking schemes were frequently copied by NFL coaches. Peterson is the one who can be credited with putting Florida State on the national map. He recruited from the talent-rich areas of Pennsylvania (Fred Biletnikoff) and Ohio (Steve Tensi) as Florida, unlike today, had a smaller population and a limited high school talent base. He brought in three-platoon football mimicking the famous "Chinese Bandits" teams he used as an assistant at LSU and gave them the designations of the “Chiefs”, “Renegades”, and “War Party”. Despite the wide-open attack, the LSU influence was obvious and he built his early teams upon a smothering defense. He later augmented this with one of the first truly innovative passing offenses that brought visiting coaches from every corner of the country. He came up with the concept of the “hot receiver”, never before seen, to counter blitzes, and FSU became known as an Independent primed to upset any team at any time."1
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
by fmnole on Feb 9, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bowden put FSU on the map. The facts do speak for themselves, though football was an exciting event under Peterson..
From the FSU profile page: "For 11 seasons from 1960-1979, Bill Peterson was the head football coach at Florida State…Under ‘Coach Pete’s’ direction FSU football became an exciting event. His teams compiled a record of 62-42-11, a winning percentage of .587. While “Coach Pete” led the Seminoles, FSU made four bowl appearances."
Peterson had cruddy athletic facilities and support, but whatever the reasons, FSU was not on the map nationally until Bowden showed up.
Peterson had cruddy athletic facilities and support, but whatever the reasons, FSU was not on the map nationally until Bowden showed up.
Most of that probably had to do with the popularity of the sport at the time.
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or the long run of dominance
Im not as passionate about this discussion as most, but the lengths each side takes to prove the other wrong is amazing. I thought this was the recruiting thread.
"That's all I ask for from a program. If I'm the best let me play, if I'm not the best I'll do whatever I can to make the team better and work harder to be the best." - Freeman
by DS_fear_the_spear on Feb 9, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
It's important to a lot of people one way or the other and will be debated for a long time to come..
What 1st-week-of-the-recruiting-cycle news is it edging out? If the thread starts here, it’s hard to take the entries and move them, right? (1 week and 623 entries = no clog, from what I understand.)
I wouldn't know how hard it is to move entries
I just liked the order right before signing day and hoped it would continue. I prefer my off-topic discussions in the appropriate thread. If they were in the right place, we wouldn’t have to move them, right? ( Process = doing things right, from what I understand.)
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by DS_fear_the_spear on Feb 9, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What does the z function do?
"That's all I ask for from a program. If I'm the best let me play, if I'm not the best I'll do whatever I can to make the team better and work harder to be the best." - Freeman
by DS_fear_the_spear on Feb 9, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
If serious...
(from the top of the page [in fine print]):
Press C to tab to new comments, Shift-C to tab backwards, X to mark as read, and Shift-A to mark all read.
The best: Z will simultaneously mark and tab forward, and R will reply to the comment that has focus.
Just busting your balls
in the spirit of bagel day!
"That's all I ask for from a program. If I'm the best let me play, if I'm not the best I'll do whatever I can to make the team better and work harder to be the best." - Freeman
by DS_fear_the_spear on Feb 9, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Everything bagel
"That's all I ask for from a program. If I'm the best let me play, if I'm not the best I'll do whatever I can to make the team better and work harder to be the best." - Freeman
by DS_fear_the_spear on Feb 9, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think Peterson’s recruiting put FSU on the map. Now we are on topic.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
There you go
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by DS_fear_the_spear on Feb 9, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
This is simply incorrect.
When you put nine guys in the pros in one year, beat the number five team (Kentucky), beat Florida for the first time, beat Georgia and Oklahoma, tie 3rd-ranked Alabama 31-31* in Birmingham. and have a consensus All American (Freddy B), you ARE ON THE MAP. Your 62-42-11 statistic proves my point. Before Peterson, we were nobody. No one is arguing that Bobby didn’t elevate the program to elite status—but that doesn’t justify rewriting history to place Bowden as the inventor of football at FSU. It simply isn’t true. Larry Jones was not the standard, Peterson was, and it was a very high standard and much more than an “event.”
*The Bama game was supposed to be Bear’s 300th win. That was the famous, “What the hell is happening out there?” Bryant quote. The TV show to commemorate the historic 300th win turned out to be an FSU (who?) showcase—but the question got answered. You cannot be much more on the map than that.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
by fmnole on Feb 9, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The "event" quote is from FSU itself...
However, if you equate these facts with being on the map, then Peterson put FSU on the map. App State, Fresno State, Utah, etc, etc are all On the Map teams thanks to high profile occurrences in their programs over the past decade or so. No one takes them seriously. That’s the point here. I will leave this to you to respond and then I’m moving on.
Don't recall
App State or Fresno ever doing anything commensurate with Peterson’s body of work. I agree with you on Utah. I take them seriously now, never did before. Maybe they are on the map.
Where you made your best argument is with Etc. and Etc. I have no rebuttal for them and the fact that you could name them so quickly establish how common and trivial Bill Peterson’s accomplishments were.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
odell
funny thing is when jimbo took over everybody wanted him fired, the game has passed by he’s not getting it done. i was one of the few who felt he should stay,now every one loves him.GREAT JOB ODELL!
you're a true prophet. not everyone wanted him fired.
there were fence sitters, people who wanted him fired, and people who wanted him to stay. It was clear that he needed the fire reignited, and apparently it was.
Just needed a level playing field (more modernized recruiting tactics, people like Blake at UNC being exposed, etc)
Blake got Butch
an undeserved gig on the ESPNU Signing Day show. Okay, I’m wrong, BD is apparently a great evaluator, but IMO Blake put him over the top with his “advanced persuasion” techniques. And of course Davis went Sargent Schultz.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Butch Davis was my favorite on NSD
Simply for calling out “the liar” for flipping because he was intimidated by the FSU depth chart.
"Like a midget at a urinal, I was going to have to stay on my toes." - Frank Drebin
by zewhitedevil on Feb 3, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Because as a former recruiter, he hates that reconfirming you’re committed and signing the night before and then on signing day saying you’re not stuff. It’s different if you say “Im not sure” but say you’re coming that late and you’ve basically screwed a team.
Unless Marvin Austin is involved
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by CornNole on Feb 3, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry to single you out, but people around here really need to stop with the "I was right, everyone was wrong" stuff
It’s counter productive. And to your point, based on what he had done it would have been smart to let him go, but obviously Jimbo saw something (or someone) that made him believe Odell could turn it around or at least deserved another chance.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 10:25 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I knew this post was coming.
No one else did.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
by fmnole on Feb 3, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Well played
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 11:24 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
So, in other words, you're right about this?
And people who post about their being right are wrong?
Obviously I wouldn't post something I believed to be wrong
At no point did what I say at intend to carry the tone of “look at how right I am” which is what I was railing against to begin with.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 7:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don't think everyone wanted him gone
You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Next big 2013 event to look forward to is Junior Day #2 on Feb 25
Lots of big-time talent, some of who are big time FSU fans (read: kids waiting for an offer to commit.)
Championship!
So what are we looking at for per positions recruiting?
1 QB
2 RB
2-3WR
1TE
4-5 OL
4-5 DL
3-4 LB
2-3 DB
1 K- Roberto who greyshirted
Who are the top DE's we will be after?
I assume we take a couple here since we missed out and Fowler and will likely lose 4 DEs after 2012
NKemdiche.....and everybody else.
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by DutchFSU on Feb 3, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Looking at the big bodied DE's that already claim an offer
Joey Bosa from St. Thomas Aquinas: 6’5" 260
Isaac Rochell from GA: 6’5" 240
The New Jersey boys:
Tashawn Bower: 6’5" 230
Dajaun Drennon: 6’4" 230
Tim Tebow is poopie.
only one i know of is leon mcquay
by TheRenegade29 on Feb 5, 2012 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jamal Carter
Marcel Harris,Nick Washington and Antonio Conner
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 6, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Robert Foster
Where do we stand?
I know my username is misspelled
Need Saban to have an Epiphany and start doing missionary work in a 3rd world nation
Then we’d have a shot to beat out multiple $EC schools for him.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Noway with Saban
His head might get big enough to go to the NFL again, we can only hope
by rspknole1 on Feb 3, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Foster's girlfriend already has a job in Saban's admin office
Championship!
by TLHWG on Feb 3, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Two things -
1. I don’t think we take a class similar to that of Miami’s in that we will not just give of schollies to low 3 star players just because we have them. I think we take a large class but not to the effect 34, 35 – unless we are just reeling the GAMs.
2. Where do we stand with QBs Kevin Olsen and Johnathan McCray? Are they comparable in talent. Do we have a shot at landing either? I remember reading articles about them a few months back. TIA
What I've learned about Jimbo is that it's impossible to pin down his QB recruiting this early in the process
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 10:29 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Take a look at Stanford's O-line coach
by Shooter McFrattin on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM EST reply actions
Ok what the heck
cant post a link. Hmm.
by Shooter McFrattin on Feb 3, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Bloomgren was just hired in 2011
and only recruited 1 of the OL in the 2012 class, who is a 3*, per Rivals
Championship!
Young new style
of coach, energetic, good qualifications. See DJ Elliot on our staff
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Olinemen are the smartest players on the field aside from QBs. By a huge margin. Makes sense they’d choose a great academic school.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 3, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No bias here
:)
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LOL. Both… but he’s right. Though there are a lot smart place kickers out there.
by FSU on Feb 3, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Punters are idiots though.
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by RollNole5 on Feb 3, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And don’t get me started on kickoff specialists…
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Wait.......................WHAT?!???
>: (
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That's gotta sting, bra
Signed,
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I flagged that post...
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Good humor aside, you know that the average OL
is a rocket scientist compared to the average DT.
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Absolutely NOT.
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How does our limited scholarship count this affect our ability to take EE's for 2013?
You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 3, 2012 10:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
*this year
You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Greatly helps it
Should be avle to take as many as 9 above the limit because of it.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 11:26 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
that needs to be explained
We lose some Seniors, Juniors that will turn Pro. Then the kicker is that we will come off the limitation on cutting players that don’t fit or don’t work hard enough or whatever, left over from our suspension Bud has hinted at that number could be 9 or 10 players, if cut would allow us to take EE’s back.
all of the seniors that we lose after 2012 are
bad weight IMO… recruited by Bowden & his staff. Losing 17 is significant regardless of who recruited them, but the 2013 team will be chalked full of only players who were hand-picked by Jimbo… & his Saban-type standards.
Championship!
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but bad weight?
Jenkins, McCloud, McDaniel, McCallister, Dawkins, EJ, CT23, Pryor, Reid, Williams are all bad weight?
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by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 3:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
As soon as the rules permit
I’d like to see Odell camping out in Grayson, Ga. with side trips to Nigeria.
Mr. Robert Nkemdiche, please spend three years playing with the best D Line in the minor leagues before becoming an All Pro and Defensive Rookie of the Year in the majors. Your hs coach, who played at Bama, will forgive you.
by law74 on Feb 3, 2012 11:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Lived one semester with Conn,
his hs coach and member of the ’92 Bama team.
This past year he lived with the family of his hs teammate (qb) that just signed with Mississippi State. Real tight with the former mate and his family.
In fact I did
Ran into him while I was pumping gas just north of Atlanta.
Thought he was a truck that pulled up next to me.
In the future, ALL recruiting prognostications will involve chance encounters at gas stations....
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Funny thing is
I had an appointment in Grayson 15 miles away and he was on foot and beat me to the Chick-Fil-A a few blocks from his house.M Bracy would have been proud. 270 pounds and runs a sub 4.6.
Even Clark Kent would be impressed.
Jimbo will be on ESPN today...
to talk about finalizing the class, Winston’s signing & expectations for next year
Compelled to ask:
who’s our next (2013) commit? Hope it’s an OL… maybe one who participates in our 2/25 Jr. Day. Would love to load up on OL (5)… & early
Championship!
Way too far out. Only the coaches know.
Eddie Goldman, Ronald Darby, Colin Blake, Reggie Northrup please
offers made
That will give you an idea, rivals, recruit search, check at the bottom offers made and unchech committed and uncommitted. This list shows 50 something.
Kind of OT
But Meyer is already upsetting the Big Ten http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/322907-meyer-already-running-afoul-of-big-ten?xid=cnnbin
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Read about this
Urban didn’t realize it but the cultures of the SEC & B1G are different:
- Oversigning: Meyer has already been called into Delaney’s (B1G commish) office and told Meyer that he needs to cut 3 guys from his roster ASAP.
- No recruiting (flipping) prized/top recruits committed to other B1G programs, which Meyer did.
- Other: Academics matter; many B1G programs don’t allow visits after committing, etc.
Meyer has been put on notice by Delaney…and reminded that his team is still serving a NCAA penalty, followed by probation. Urban better tread lightly….
Championship!
And this is why the Big 10 is waaaay different than the south
by FSU on Feb 3, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I like that he’s getting under the skin of douchers like Bielema.
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Totes
I’ve hated that guy ever since we beat him down with one of our worst post-Mudra teams in the Tangerine Bowl. Dude won’t shut up.
Got to love the "gentlemen's agreement" whining from Bielema
considering he put up 83 points on Indiana and went for two up 4 tds on Minnesota because “that’s what the card says to do.”
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
by Kazoonole on Feb 3, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You prefer the dirty recruiting we do in the SouthEast?
What’s wrong with the Big 10 having a little class in the way they compete with one another? Why do we seem to be siding with Mr. YouGotToHaveFaith?
Oscar Myer is scum and we’re knocking Bielma?
Go figure.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Bielma is and always will be a douche
Starting from the day his team took a whooping and was quoted saying they aren’t ready for Big Boy Wisconsin football.
Then he complains about someone having class while dropping 80 on conference foes with his starters in to the end and going for two late. If thats class then Urban was just elevated to the golden child of mother nature.
Its not classy to stop recruiting once a kid is verbally committed. Its stupid and a quitters attitude. I want my coach not happy with the fact a really good kid is committed somewhere else. I want him to bring in the best quality kids he can and do what needs to be done to accomplish that.
It's not classy at all IMHO
Because they do it outside the conference (attempting to flip once committed). I just think f you’re saying it’s wrong, it’s wrong.. Not just wrong in conference. If as a coach in conference you say it’s not ethical to flip a kids in conference, why is it any LESS ethical to do it just because the other school belongs to an association with a different abbreviation.
To me, it’s the typical Big10 holier than though attitude they’ve developed because they get less and less attention by southern football. So like a kid they claim, “Well at least we do it the right way.” (eyeroll). Do i believe the Big10 is less “aggressive” with what they do – Yes. But rather than knocking southern football.. Mr. Brett “We’re going to show FSU what real football is in the bowl game” Bielma should maybe concentrate on winning significant games outside the Big 10 and less about what others are doing.
by FSU on Feb 4, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I think it's easy to make a case
for not pulling crap on your peers. Remember the old SEC letter of intent?
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
I think that’s fine.
I think that calling in question someone’s ethics though, in this case, when a rule doesn’t exist and you do the same thing out of conference is a bit off.
by FSU on Feb 4, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
I agree to an extent..
but Urban “joined a club” and to the extent he broke their internal code, Bielma had a right to complain. I don’t think double standards of that sort are without precedent.
Apparently, before Meyer, the Big 10 WAS a demilitarized zone of sorts.
Deeper insight: no way I am ever going to side with Oscar. :-)
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Hoke was actively recruiting OSU recruits before (and after) Meyer was hired.
The demilitarized zone was already gone when he took the job. He just whipped out his guns right away instead of whining like Bielema, who already got thrown under the bus by his own AD.
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fair enough
if I knew more about the situation I may have never have posted. Combine my ignorance with a huge distaste for Oscar and the rest is history. Maybe the Big O is showing some scum bags how to be bigger, better scum bags.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Its up to a recruit to decide where he goes. If he is truly “committed,” he should not take phone calls from other coaches.
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Especially when it’s not even against the rules to continue to recruit.
by FSU on Feb 4, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, only thing being broken is a gentlemen’s agreement, which are almost always anticompetitive. Shame on the B1G for not trying to win. No wonder southern teams whup your ass.
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Big 10 teams were recruiting PSU & OSU players while they were coach-less
by FSU on Feb 4, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think the B1G are the only ones left that do this, aren't they?
Why cling to old ideals that leave you behind in the “arms race”? Depending on your perspective, it just makes them look foolish to loiter in the last generations honor code. Similar to fighting a modern day war with hardware from the Vietnam era. Just doesn’t give you the best opportunity for success.
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
not that archaic if their honor code is just internal
doubles standard? exactly. They treated only their immediate peers with a higher level of conduct.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Yeah, i have to agree.
Certainly a double standard. Honestly, you almost have to pity them. Its like they see the writing on the wall, but refuse to acknowledge the “message” (i.e. times are changing with or without them)
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
Bielema IS a doucher.
According to a few folks, mostly Rivals staff, FSU commit CB Sojourn Shelton just picked up a Wisconsin offer. He has been committed to us since… you know… JUNE.
So apparently, going after HIS guys isn’t cool, but he don’t give a damn ’bout anyone elses.
Double standard much?
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I also hear that the non-poaching rule applies only to the* top/best prospects*,
yes, this B1G rule is being exposed as completely stupid.
Championship!
It's ridiculous. Living here in Madison, I can tell you Bielema has done this before
Brendan Kelly was one of the top players out of Minnesota about 4 years ago. Bielema perused, and got him to flip. He also flipped Isaiah Williams (a WR from Florida) from Purdue, Casey Dehn from Minnesota 2 or 3 years ago (he flips many of Minnesota’s best instate guys) Brad Nortman (also from poor old Minny), Melvin Gordon from Iowa, it’s all crap.
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
Konrad Zagzebski
UA All-American committed to Minny as well before flipping to Sconey.
Lil bro was one of his HS coaches.
I lived in Chicago
And Madison, Wisconsin is the coldest place I have ever been in my life. It is just absolutely miserable.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
I moved from Tally to NH in the middle of winter when I was 7 years old
I grew up there, went to school in Chicago (U of C)
And I’ve also lived in Russia (St Pete) for two years.
Anywhere north and west of Chicago is butt ass cold.
he never said it was a penalty
said it is the culture of the Big10
“Meyer has been put on notice by Delaney…and reminded that his team is still serving a NCAA penalty, followed by probation. Urban better tread lightly….”
why would Delaney remind Meyer about OSU’s penalty in a discussion about stealing players from Wisconsin? The two are unrelated. That’s what I’m referring to.
The term "$tealing" may have something to do with it
Oh man, I hate CUM
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
Yup. My only worry
is the Big 10 figuring out how to win.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 3, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Michigan will keep him in check as Alabama semi did. He will be successful like at Florida, but won’t runn rough shot with Hoke at Michigan
by FSU on Feb 4, 2012 7:13 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know about this, FSU. OSU has already been the flagship of the Big10 for the past decade and Hoke has to show last year wasn’t a fluke. Even if Hoke does his job well, that’s one game, really, that Urban has to worry about. I can see OSU taking up a ton of airtime on College Gameday going forward.
Rough shod
Adjective: (of a horse) Having shoes with nailheads projecting to prevent slipping.
Is the poster known as FSU actually Terry Saban? And why does TN not want you to know?
They're going to have to call Hoke in, too.
He’s perfectly fine with flipping committed Big Ten recruits, from what he said today.
Guess the Big Ten is back to Michigan, Ohio State, and everyone else. Unsurprising given that those two got all the 4 and 5*’s in the conference.
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from what I know
Hoke hasn’t flipped a tOSU player. OL Kalis decommitted from tOSU when Tressell got fired. In interviews Kalis said he committed to tOSU b/c of Tressell; and when Tressell left, Kalis opened it back up.
Don’t know if Hoke has flipped players from other B1G programs though. I will say, however, that if Urbie tries flipping Michigan commits, Hoke will do the same.
Championship!
He was actively trying to get Brionte Dunn until the final couple weeks.
Just because he failed doesn’t mean he wasn’t breaking the “agreement”
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Brady Hoke is awesome.
I’m a big fan of that dude. He vs Urban is gonna be epic.
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Urban will win out on most battles IMO.
Better staff, esp with MP evaluating talent
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NoleTide!
Dont bet the farm
He has some things against him this time….namely the NCAA violations and probably losing recruits, plus he is a duechebag and will be easier to recruit against due to his poor track record.
He is going to KILL IT. The Big Ten really cannot do anything to him. what he is doing is within Big ten and ncaa rules.
by, with in the rules
you mean, under 90 in the 55
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by harper.rb on Feb 3, 2012 9:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
More like going 65 in a 60 while everyone has "agreed" to go 35
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
B1G more sensitive to oversigning
Delaney will monitor Meyer closely, esp. while under sanctions/probation.
Championship!
Only if he gets Dan Mullen back
Urbane Liar never did anything to deserve his “offensive genius” status, that was all Mullen. Mullen leaves for Miss St, Addazio takes over, and UF suddenly can’t find its own ass with both hands offensively, especially when Timmy Christ went on to the NFL to fool Denver fans into thinking he’s an actual quarterback.
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Big 10 coaches need to get with the program.
There’s a reason teams from the south beat their ass year in and year out….This kind of thing is the norm for big boy programs
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
if true,
IMO SEC has no national braggings rights, etc. b/c they have an unfair advantage, primarily due to oversigning. I’m not saying CFB must be fair (many senses here), just noting that all the SEC braggadocio loses a lot of its force.
Championship!
Whoa there
Not every SEC school oversigns, and Florida under Meyer was one that didn’t. Bama and LSU? Sure, they’ve pulled in what amounts to about an extra class over a 4 year period, but UGA and UF are two that never did it.
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Signing classes from Rivals
2006 – 27
2007 – 27
2008 – 22
2009 – 17
2010 – 27
That’s 93 over the first 4 years and 93 over the last 4 years. No matter how you cut it he’s over 85 in both 4 year periods.
by nolesblogger on Feb 9, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
2006-2010, yes..............Urban's Gators.
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SI Article on Menelik Watson
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/luke_winn/02/01/Menelik.Watson/index.html?xid=cnnbin
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Sorry
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by newdynastynole on Feb 3, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Its a good article. Should be read
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 3, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Watson has as much potential as anybody
that inked with us this week. He is also hungry-no- make that driven to succeed. Dirt poor background and NFL riches just 2 years away. Like dangling a juicy raw steak in front of a starving junk yard dog.
Taking into account that he will have spring and pre-season to quadruple his previous football experience, he may just prove to be the big time sleeper of this class.
Coach Trick….you’re on the clock.
thanks for the link
well worth reading. My favorite part
“I would have been fine as a boxer,” said Watson. “But the isolation wasn’t for me. I like doing things as a team. That’s why I like offensive line; they’re the unsung heroes. I like doing the work, and being unheard of.”
by StM on Feb 3, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Mine too
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by newdynastynole on Feb 3, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
FSU just offered '13 OLB
kids film is impressive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_YQEwVNIBo
Championship!
Looks good
85% of the clips though he was completely untouched.
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It should be noted
that a lot of the blockers in the clips INTENDED to touch him
Tim Tebow is poopie.
Andre Ware...biggest Heisman bust....
in the history of college football…
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/heisman/flops.html
Still pisses me off that Casey Weldon finished second behind that clown…regardless of the numbers.
by Buddy Reynolds on Feb 3, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
I am looking forward to beating UF down again this year.
I don’t see them taking the state of Florida. In fact, I could EASILY be wrong about this but, with A) the way things have been shaping up in terms of our recruiting and the maturation of our team, 2) the prospects for our future [we appear to have quality coaches/recruiters], D) the most important factor being the time bomb that is Muschamp, I would not be surprised if we pull off a 7-3 or 8-2 run against Florida over the next decade. Again, might be wrong by putting that cart so far out in front of the horse, but the times have that feel to me.
It's way too far out to make any reasonable guesses at this, but at the rate things are going
I expect Jimbo to start out 4-1 against them. 6-4 over 10 years is more than reasonable, better if Muschamp doesn’t work out.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 11:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That’s 2-3 over the second half decade. Does not seem to follow should we start out 4-1. Anyway, too early to say. I will stick with my original point that I would not be surprised if we pulled off a run of wins, a la 7-3 or 8-2.
Well that's three years away.
Basically I just assumed we split the home games from here on out. Tough to predict a much better record against a team that recruits the way they do, has the resources they have and the homefield advantage they have. But like I said, if Muschamp is a bust, could easily be better, perhaps 8-2.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 4, 2012 8:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Was tired of being “burnt” by FSU.. Was VERY pro FSU last 2 years. Hence the “they always seem to drop a game they shouldnt”
by FSU on Feb 4, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
He's right with that statement
Citing that UF will beat FSU because they return 18 starters (so does FSU) and they recruited well (FSU recruited better) doesn’t quite make sense. Making the claim that FSU will roll UF again this year really isn’t going to get many views though.
I get his point though. He’s sort of in “show me mode” after riding with FSU the last 2 years.
It goes back to the we drop a game we shouldn’t (UVA, WF, etc) statement over the last years because we are more talented. Sort of like people going “Clemson will eventually Clemson themselves…” because it’s happened. Dropping a rivalry game late in the year…meh… Mild upset to me and within the realm of possibility.
But we’ll see where FSU is at.
by FSU on Feb 6, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
More like he’s being lazy and taking the cliched, cop-out path instead of actually realizing what caused the “collapses” that burnt him. And how did FSU let him down in 2010?
He also said that UF would be the “dominant” team in Florida, not solely predicting an upset. And I think that losing at home to UF after where each program is at right now would qualify as more than a mild upset.
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Not beating/playing well vs. VT, iirc. He & Herbstreit were high on FSU post Miami
by FSU on Feb 6, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
VT with injured CP7, right? Didn’t Kirk think we were one of the top teams in the nation after beating UM? Maybe I should cut them slack for having to cover the nation, but don’t get mad at us because you are mediocre at your job.
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Yeah, EJ played that game
and he was still not quite ready for prime time. Got the job done against SC, but I really suspect the prep job by the coaches emphasized getting EJ ready for the bowl game, and with the extra time, he got extra work. They knew CP7 could be out of that game, and he was, fairly quickly.
Lou Holtz
is also being disingenuous in his interview as well.
by FSU on Feb 3, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
He implied that the only way that he lost a committed prospect was if they were bought off by SMU.
in addition to that they didnt recruit committed kids
by FSU on Feb 3, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, I didn't catch that.
But then again, I tend to tune him out most of the time other than when he’s close to tears after FSU beats Notre Dame.
Rephrase… That the other schools would want it because of Michigan & Ohio St. I took it as he was leaving ND out of that. Kelly’s rubbed a lot up there the wrong way because of continued recruitment
by FSU on Feb 3, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Rubbed a lot down here the wrong way, too.
Still pissed about Lynch.
Yeah Tiger M. says Hello.....
Of course he had someone in his ear quite a bit…..(Slowly whistling walking down the road.)
Good lord that was a long time ago….Where did the time go?
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LMAO!!
I wondered the same thing? Looked it up and they barely return 2500 yards Passing, Receiving and Rushing combined!! Not really one guy that scares you…I thought he must have drunk
by FSUALLTHEDAMNTIME! on Feb 7, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
They have Brent Pease
He’s “one of the brightest offensive minds in all of college football.” Andre Ware scoffs at your silly questions.
The rest of us*, however, ask the exact same question.
*rest of us meaning people smart enough to avoid groupthink and wholly conjectured blanket statements
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by Sir Lawrence J on Feb 3, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, who had the better offense this year? FSU. Who had the better D? FSU. Special teams? FSU. Both teams return a ton. Location of the game changes to… Tally.
Had there been any semblance of reason involved in his statement, he would have taken that into account
But just before that, there was a discussion about FSU’s allowed sacks (41) and where it ranked in rushing yds (104). However, there wasn’t a single mention of the OLpocalypse (I need to trademark this phrase), instead they chose to chalk it up to the Noles not having their sh*t together.
Really, it boils down to 4 things:
A) FSU had the 4th ranked D in the nation. One would imagine a deviation from that in 2012 will result in either a static change or improved performance.
2) Gators bring in their 3rd OC in 3 years, and have to develop a new full-time starter. There’s something to be said for consistency.
D) Like you said, the game is in Tally
Kajagoogoo) FSU plays Miami, USF and Florida next year. Florida plays just FSU. Hard to own the state when you only play one of its teams.
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by Sir Lawrence J on Feb 3, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Try to steal clip art that isn't watermarked next time
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by devnole on Feb 5, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Serious question...
if you are linking to a picture that is freely posted online, how is that stealing?
by WaimeaNole on Feb 6, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Do they have a physical RB yet?
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by DRusso97 on Feb 3, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
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Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
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a fair question
and Andre Ware is an idiot. I’m not going to concede defeat this far out, but obviously the offense will need to improve dramatically for Florida to dominate anything. The defense on the other hand, should be very good.
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Has anyone found any real film of Nkemdiche?
Would really like to see this kid play after all the hype
hes got some film on youtube
But its just highlights of one game he looks really solid and apparently runs a 4.5 40 at 270 pounds which is very impressive personally from the little tap I have seen I think foster is a better prospect
by TheRenegade29 on Feb 4, 2012 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hows his competition?
i saw a game of his on tv & he played DE & RB. Didnt show tech mastery, just far superiority physically
Championship!
by TLHWG on Feb 4, 2012 2:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I recall someone saying they play some of the top competition in GA.
Could be wrong though.
Worth it...
Saw him play twice this year against 2 very good teams in Georgia, Colquitt and Walton, and he is a beast…ironically, my little brother got a picture with him after the Colquitt game while they played Sweet Home Alabama over the loud speaker #foreshadowing
Yeah I've seen the highlights from his Sophomore (?) year when they played in the Georgia dome but that was only one game
Even then you could tell how head and shoulders above everyone he was athletically. Would just really like to get some substantial tape on him
2013 coaching staff and recruiting
i’m going to assume that FSU is going to lose some coaches after this season, regardless of the 2012 record. a BCS game/win on their resume will only increase their price tag.
who are the most likely to leave? and what impact will their departure have on 2013 recruiting? i think everyone but odell is a possibility to move on.
knowing jimbo, he’s already got the second wave of coaches ready to contact. i think the staff would be open and give him early warning. i would hope that they leave immediately after the season, and for smaller schools far away from tallahassee. worst-case would be what auburn went through this offseason.
it’s a good sign that other teams want to give coaches on our staff a promotion. just need to manage the transition. this is a crucial recruiting cycle — lots of names to replace.
Fsu in G.bryant top 4!!! watching him at the championship game in orlando he is truly a beast and for sure a 5 star kid next year...Def def a must get for FSU!! t.richardson 2.0
by FearThaSpearWeAreFSU on Feb 3, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions
i would like to have him and ryan green
by TheRenegade29 on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I also would like to have him
And Ryan Green
by Widespread Seminole on Feb 4, 2012 8:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Montravius Adams
Clemson is his leader in this stage of his recruitment. He’s the 3 prospect in Georgia this year, His tape is just plain crazy for a dude of his size. He’s height and weight are “6-4” 280.
the competition in this video
is absolute garbage…opposing players are way undersized, and their olines are missing assignments and whiffing left and right, sometimes just letting him run by untouched. While I appreciate the contribution, videos like this frustrate the hell out of me
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Montavius Adams
The competition he plays against is average. But he dominated at all the junior camps he has attended. He is the 3 player in Georgia in 2013, and is probably atleast a top 15 player in the class.
Almost all of the South’s top talent producing states are loaded in 2013.
by Oort Cloud Nole on Feb 4, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have 2 questions
1 what exactly is the apr again and when will we not be affected by it? 2 is their any way we can get out of that game against s.florida.
west virginia-fsu game cancelled
West Virginia has cancelled their football game with Florida State that was originally scheduled for September 8th, 2012. Per contract stipulations, West Virginia will owe Florida State $500,000. A replacement has not yet been scheduled.
And how does this relate to the 2013 recruiting class?
by CrimiNole Defense on Feb 4, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
+1 in the 2012 win column, -5 in cumulative attrition fro a physical early season contest.
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2012 is set up perfectly
no WVA, tons of seniors, Clemson & UF at home… & we play in the ACC!
#2012NoExcuses
Championship!
shhhh…(moves hands to floor) … we’re trying to sneak up on people this year
by FSU on Feb 4, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
My win shares say 9.71
That’s about as good as you can get.
At Va Tech will be tough. Hopefully it wont be a Thursday night game
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by newdynastynole on Feb 4, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I heard that Bud Foster is supposed to have one of his best Ds in several years
but their O shouldn’t be great, esp. since David Wilson left for the draft.
Championship!
Our D will be sick too.
A lot of FSU players played in the 2010 ACCCG too.
#Revenge
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VT lost almost nothing from the 2 deep on D.
Lost almost all of their starters on offense.
Lost at least one starting corner
Their D wasn’t great this year as it was.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 5, 2012 1:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
this may be in a dumb question but
is De’Joshua Johnson in the noles future or is he going somewhere else?
I heard something about a DJ Johnson going to Texas, it may be him.
by CrimiNole Defense on Feb 4, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
is there any reason as to why he isn'f in the noles future?
like character or just not a need?? i think he would really be a need fit for Arizona.
I am going to put together the minimum needs for 2013 next week if people would be interested.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 4, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
That's why we pay you
The big Bucks!
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See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
Bud, this was posted above but may have gotten lost in the shuffle...
What are the challenges we face this coming cycle with the inevitable turnover of our staff? I know this is a situation most schools face every couple of years, but not sure how coaches spin it to recruits. Definitely an interesting situation. Thanks!
I asked this, too
Farther up the thread.
by Sabon on Feb 5, 2012 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That’s like asking a coke head, ‘Hey guy, would you like some more coke’
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by SteadfastNole on Feb 5, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I say Deion was the best. Hubby says Ron Simmons.
by FSU on Feb 4, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
gotta go with Ron, too
Nobody had the impact he had and I don’t see how it’s possible, given FSU made it to the big time, that anyone could. Might put Freddy B. or Steve Tensi in there for discussion, but Ron is the man.
Factoid: Deion was recruited as a receiver.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
He might not even be the best in this class. I think he is a stud but Jameis, Goldman, and Casher and might have higher upsides.
If we’re talking about recruit hype, Derrick Brooks was about as hyped a recruit as one could find. Can look at the same class for a player just about as hyped that didn’t work out – Marquette Smith. Scott Bentley made the cover of SI before playing a game, so could make an argument for him in a way. Dan Kendra was super hyped as a recruit. Could argue for Randy Moss although it was less as a recruit than when he was in his redshirt year and became a campus legend with talk about how he was performing in practice.
I could see that about Brooks. I just know the Noles have gotten “the #1 recruit in the country” multiple times and was wondering where MEJ falls in those ranks
really #3
as they (Rivals) had Derrick Williams (PSU) rated as an ATH rather than WR (he was #1 overall, Patrick Turner #2 overall and Rouse #6 overall).
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Sammy Smith had alot of hype coming into FSU.
Some compared Sammy to Bo Jackson.
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by pasadenanole22 on Feb 7, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I remember hearing a crazy story from the Brooks recruitment
Back then, the primary way for addicted recruitniks to get their fix on NSD was to call The Osceola’s 900 number. It was updated every hour with the new commits and Brooks was scheduled to commit at 2PM. One issue… he was announcing CST. The Osceola received their largest call volume to date during the 2PM hour, and then an even bigger volume during the 3PM hour after everyone realized the error.
Ummmmmmmm, yeah........I'm aware of that.
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My dad's generation talked about Deion
the same way folks talked about Clowney. Recruit of the decade type stuff.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Don't recall him being that hyped
I do remember seeing him play QB when visiting my grandparents for thanksgiving down in ft. Myers. He was an outstanding basketball player, too.
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He was not THAT hyped, you are correct.
and he was the best basketball player I ever saw who did not know the first thing about basketball. Dribbled shoulder high, passed with one hand, shot without breaking his wrist—and he was great. Also a tremendous rebounder.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
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Got to give it a rec
For Don’t Be A Menace ref., love that movie.
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Ugh, I'm watching it right now. Depressing.
Sad thing is, the ’08 UF squad did not look dominant as the final score indicated, we just looked scared and outmatched at the point of attack.
by FSUActuary on Feb 5, 2012 3:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
USF
I know this WV ordeal has put a wrinkle in scheduling. but does anyone have any good guess as to the date of the USF game? I’m trying to block out those rental dates at my madeira beach condo and keep it for myself and family for a great long weekend. Also, are there some tampa area prospects we are looking at that might attend this game?
September 29
I do believe…
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who are some of the prospects who will attend junior day on the 25th
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I'm sure they will
get one together as it gets closer and they are able to confirm.
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What do we know about his guy? I’ve heard a lot of names brought up as far as Florida running backs are concerned but I haven’t heard this guy until recently. Whats the deal…
I did NOT see him at a gas station...I have roots in Pinellas County (St. Pete, Clearwater)...we definitely lead with Ryan Green (RB, St Pete Catholic)...just saying...and it is a good thing..kids a STUD RB
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by FCANOLE on Feb 5, 2012 7:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Do you think Green is a better RB or ATH at this point
Green has great top end speed and acceleration. It also seems like he has good hands out of the backfield. The one thing I want to see that I don’t get the opportunity through his video is to see his between tackle running. His highlight video seems like he is always making plays that bounce to the outside. When you watch Bryant’s video you see his vision and feet working. Obviously every runner has a certain style and skill that they bring to the game. I like what Green offers but I’m interested to see what he does between the tackles.
I agree
Green’s video offers no clues as to his in-line running ability. Thats probably due to the level of competition he plays currently. He has the change of direction and cutting ability to excel in a zone blocking system. Would just like to get a better idea of his vision and ability to set up his blocks. Pender improved alot in this area in 2011
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 6, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Lorenzo Woodley
what ever happened with that guy? is he a silent commit? the kids freakin rediculous imo..
Rumblings that
Deadrin Senat committed to FSU
Excellent
MVP of Army (Jr) Combine, player of the year in Naples (according to the Naples News). Not wild about his interest in Miami and his plan to take all 5 OVs in the fall. B/c of these 2 things, I’m going to consider him a soft verbal.
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I believe Josh Newberg has confirmed this in twitter
by nole your enemy on Feb 6, 2012 2:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X606-QQMlMw
2014 Prospect Trent Harris…UF has contacted him. Several D1 prospects in the video, Bracy, Turman, Pig Howard.
For anyone who gives a damn about the B1G, reference Urban and recruiting and what not,
Wisconsin has apparently offered 2013 FSU CB commit Sojourn Shelton.
Hows THAT for a double standard?
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Has anyone seen his JR film?
Just curious, and in no way do I doubt our staff’s ability to evaluate talent, but just seems like his combine #‘s were pretty disappointing. For a kid of his size, I can’t help but wonder. Not dogging him, but would like to know what the TN experts think of his game and him getting such an early, commit-able offer.
Eh, combine #'s only count for so much (They can measure potential but thats it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw15DHbrUIk
Bottom line is the kid has lightning quick feet and COD skills that will enable him to mirror routes, high football IQ and very good instincts. Deon Bush had some of the best ‘triangle’ numbers you’ll ever see but ended up being one of the most overrated players of the last cycle (Soft, no instincts,and poor ball skills). Anyone can evaluate if you only use a stopwatch
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 7, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Shelton's
lacks of height would be the only cause for concern,but he seems to have a long wingspan for his height so that would compensate for it a bit
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 7, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
How many times have you seen a DT need to jump?
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Shelton weighs like 165. And plays corner.
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Damn, i went full retard & confused Shelton with Senat.
That’s what happens when you skim…#cheeksgetred#whistleswhilebackingout
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by Noleforever9399 on Feb 8, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
never go full retard
by nolesdude on Feb 9, 2012 11:14 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
No
because he can cover. From most reports he was the second best cover guy in the one on one portion of the event (The best there being Vernon Hargreaves III the best corner in the country IMO). I like judging kids when footballs are actually flying. His wingspan can compensate a bit for his lack of size as it will allow him to generate more PBU’s than your average ‘smaller’ corner. I think this kid breaks up the pass to Floyd in the Champs Sports Bowl if he has as good of body positioning as Reid who played that pass perfectly
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 8, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
I saw this as well back when the numbers came out BUT
I also looked at his picture and he needs to hit the gym. If he were in better looking physical shape and posted these numbers I would be more concerned. He might not have a high physical ceiling based on his small frame but I guarantee FSU can get that boy bulked up and in prime shape. Redshirt him, feed him, and watch him grown and blossom.
Question? Will Likely III
Michael or someone with football knowledge…..How do you feel about Will Likely III because Josh Newberg not too high on him? He said he’s not a BCS type athlete and see him landing at FIU.. I don’t know what he looking at because I saw him live against so great competition and he’s always the best player on the field. He base most of his thinking on Likely height….Can you please give me your thought on this kid?
He is a ball player for sure.
Might not be FSU material. If he begins to grow, watch out! I personally like his ability and play. He is undersized though. Not a take for any of FSU, UF, or UM this early in the game. If he gets an offer it will be later in his senior year. That said, i like him. Don’t see him at FSU or UF. Maybe USF or UM (we know they love low 3* with potential). Might get some Big ten offers. Yes FIU is an option. He is the best high school player on the field 95% of the time, that does not translate to best college prospect on the field though.. sorry for rambling…
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You feel like Shelton better
Glades Central played Plantation this year the scored was 42-6 and WR Jamie Wilson went to work on the CB’s and Mr. Likely shut everything down and also return a punt. And I just notice some of you guys favor Sojourn Shelton of Plantation over Will Likely find the game film from that game and you can tell me Shelton is better than Likely III I’m on the wrong site….Will Likely dominated every team he played this year including Miami Norland, American Heritage, Dwyer, and much more. You guys worry about height too much I worry about football players Bob Sanders was 5’8 Safety and he did pretty good. I love Will Likely III and what he bring to the table as a football player nothing but HEART you can’t teach that….
Heart alone isn’t going to win games.
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He has heart with talent but talent without heart will lose you plenty of games. He’s a gamer and when the game on the line I want him on my team. You didn’t answer the question I asked “Do you think Shelton is better than Likely”
Haven’t seen enough of Likely’s film to offer an opinion.
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He’s already in Rivals top100
by nole your enemy on Feb 9, 2012 12:18 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't care about ranking in feb.
I’ll wait until 4-6 games into their senior year and after all the camps to place more value on the players.
also note you said rivals. (ranking kids on hype at this point)
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Calm down, you said something about him being a 150 player and I was just letting you know that Rivals has him in their top 100.
Personally I would like to see Likely in G&G. I think he is a gamer and can just flat out play.
by nole your enemy on Feb 9, 2012 12:50 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Not Likely.
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Greg Reid has heart......still gives up jump balls to 6'2" WR's.
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Kenny Stills & Michael Floyd do not.
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I think Reid got beat big time on jump balls against Maryland and Duke also.
I think it was Quintin McCree for Maryland. Can’t remember which Duke receiver it was.
I hope nobody takes this as a slam on Reid...it's not.
Heart is well & good (and required to play college football), but 5’8" is 5’8" and no amount of heart will change that.
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Rudy disagrees
#sarcasm
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That was the deflection. The initial pass was just over Reid's fingertips.....who did everything right (including play with "heart"), except be too short.
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he got 2 hands on it, but it was too high to really get a grip and bring it in
the only way he can get those kind of picks is if nobody is there to interfere with him catching it.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
but it was too high to really get a grip and bring it in
…and Floyd was up higher and took it from him. If the other guy isn’t a freak like Floyd, I’d say he’d have a good chance of picking it, or at the very least breaking it up.
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i know, i covered that too
the only way he can get those kind of picks is if nobody is there to interfere with him catching it.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Beat me to it...
Was gonna go with; Hey Will Jr.! Lol.
by NoleadgeIsPower on Feb 8, 2012 1:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not Will Jr
I’m from palm beach county Will too old to be my son unless I started at 6. Lol I’m a fan of this kid and also a fan of Greg Bryant because I saw both live and think they are great talent but I see we feel like other kids are better. Shelton is 5’8 but I don’t hear the same thing about him. I hear everyone saying Ryan Green is the best RB in this class but his team lost 5 games or more and don’t really play no one but the only thing Bryant did was lead his team to a State Championship and killed every team he played. I hope we land both of them honestly
I haven't really heard anyone say Green is better than Bryant.
In fact, I’ve heard some people say that Green should play DB in college and not RB.
Leon Washington, anyone?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
IMO
Green is indeed better than Bryant. Bryant is a good back but not elite. And side from that Green is better fit for FSU’s ZBS than is Bryant as well from what I have seen from both backs on tape (As Woodley is a better fit than Turman). But the Green vs Bryant argument has been festering pretty early this cycle I’ve noticed
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 9, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'd have Turman over Woodley
Green, Bryant, Turman is what I’m hoping for in this class. Doubt we can swing all 3 though.
Doesn't surprise me
Turman is a big back with good straight line speed but is more of a downhill bruiser who’s not an ideal fit for a ZBS IMO. Woodley has much better footwork and cutting ability, but most simply don’t ‘get it’ with the kid. I like Bryant, but most are under the impression that the kid is elite when IMO thats simply not the case
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 9, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Ok
Barton Simmons from 247sports said this about Will Likely from the 7 on 7 in South Florida
Will Likely, CB, Belle Glade (Fla.) Glades Central
Likely was one of the top performers in the state last fall regardless of classification. The four-star was the Palm Beach County Player of the Year and the Gatorade Player of the Year in the stat of Florida. On Sunday he was playing cornerback and showed why he is so highly regarded despite his size. Likely closes extremely quickly on the football and has phenomenal instincts as a cornerback.
Needs to improve: Growing ability
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Put him on the stretching rack!
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ESPN is saying that he dad says that the top now, are Florida, Florida State, and Michigan.
I like the sound of that I didn’t realize we were in this, thank GOD, we are.
many thought we were the leader this time last year
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by newdynastynole on Feb 7, 2012 8:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Didn't realize he was from Woodbridge, VA
I live just north of there in Alexandria. I’ll try to remember to get down there this fall and take some video.
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Hang at the gas station and give us a report on a regular basis.
Especially when he indicates that he has no interest for the Noles. I see him possibly as this year’s Peat.
Word on the street is that he is not a fan of BP, I would post up at Chevron or Exxon.
by CrimiNole Defense on Feb 8, 2012 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
I already offered to do this in a previous thread.
I live in Woodbridge. Near a BP. CrimiNole says he doesn’t like BP, but we’ll see.
In his interviews
Whenever he lists the his top schools, guess which school is first to pop off…. F… S…. U!!
Seems like a level headed kid, now go get em noles!
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by jmnpb996 on Feb 8, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
thats actually somewhat dissapointing
I assumed we were in the lead in all his interviews all he mentioned was fsu
by TheRenegade29 on Feb 8, 2012 8:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My understanding
there is a lot of ties to FSU for him. Things like “Odell and his dad are best friends”. Michigan’s whole staff spoke to him on NSD, and he didn’t get any calls from any other staff, including ours. Still be very surprised if didn’t come here. Long way to go!
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Isn't NSD part of a "quiet period"
As in, potential recruits are allowed to call coaches but not the other way around?
Thought it just pertained to visits....
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We will fight Michigan to the bitter ass end for this kid.
I can feel it.
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the article
about his visit to Michigan, they had a ton of positive stuff say, post visit high, fwiw Cryer at OSU is all over him now too.
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Saw that...
Alabama has a huge jump on everyone…UGA has the #1 ATH …from FL $%^#!
UGA…?
by Buddy Reynolds on Feb 8, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
because they'll let him play RB and no one else will
kid is 6’3" 230 lbs and still growing
I see...
sort of like a JWJ thing… I just hope our coaches are going hard at Marcell Harris.
by Buddy Reynolds on Feb 8, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Henry battle is not over.
IF he shows any toughness in his senior year, give me him at hybrid DE/OLB
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Saw Bushido247 mention this on Twitter but I would like to see FSU get involved with WDE Johnathan Allen and QB Ryan Burns from Stone Bridge in Ashburn VA. IIRC Burns had some positive stuff said after Jimbo Camp last year and both those guys are early top 100 guys in the country. Stone Bridge is one of the better programs in Virginia and with FSU hitting the DC Area hard I would imagine we could get in play.
Hey, I could gas station EJ, Ryan, and Johnathan. They're all nearby.
…I have the suspicion that using gas station as a verb is setting me up for a TSG.
...and Harris...anything?
…I know it’s early.
by Buddy Reynolds on Feb 8, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Allen picked up a UF offer today according to Paul Tenorio from the Washington Post
@PaulTenorio: Stone Bridge two-time All-Met DL Jonathan Allen just picked up an offer from Florida. #allmets
@PaulTenorio: Allen also has offers from BC, Maryland, Michigan, UNC, NCState, Oklahoma, Penn State, Rutgers, Stanford, UVA, VaTech and Wake
Where is Michael@TN?
What the heck are we paying him for?
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247, ESPN, & Rivals all have a top 100 already
I wish I had the time and maybe I will find the time but it would be nice to see someone find some regional FSU targets and find their rankings on all three and post it.
Alabama....
They are getting all the best prospects early.
I think they are becoming more dominant in recruiting than USC or Florida in their prime.
Finally, my internet returns
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2012/2/8/2767519/florida-state-football-recruiting-2013-needs-fsu
Yes
Have you ever clicked on an SBnation link and it failed?
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Is there any way that we can update the 2012 commits on the front page?
I hate seeing Benedict Fowler’s name every time I come to TN.
Can we add a hall of shame and plug him in there instead?
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by Nattylite on Feb 8, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This
also lets post the record since against us?
Aaron Lynch 0-1
Matt Elam 0-2
The next time we play UF 1,092 days will have passed since they have been able to hold our jock strap.
by kmp9494 on Feb 8, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
this should be green
F-L-O-R-I-D-A S-T-A-T-E FLORIDA STATE FLORIDA STATE FLORIDA STATE WOOOOOOOO!!!
KTBFFH!!
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by Noleforever9399 on Feb 8, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Considering Prestwood enrolled here
I think it’s only fair to include him too.
That's a tough one
Since he couldn’t play last year because of transfer rules.
EFffffff him. 0-1, beeeyatch.
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The only time I want to read his name again is on the back of his jersey as he’s laying face-down in the mud, with one of our guys flying down the field about to score. Yeah, it’s gonna be a thing of beauty.
by seminoleballer on Feb 8, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Any WDE that we have on our radar?
I saw Stacy Thomas was offered by FSU today. Any others? I think we need some good WDE.
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I disagree
but to each his own
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by newdynastynole on Feb 8, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
by pursuing dante fowler for years?
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by newdynastynole on Feb 9, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Look what he did at LSU, thanks. We’ve explained this for a long time. I know you’re new around here.
A. I understand he wants a bigger front 7. I have read all(or at least most) of the articles posted on TN discussing the importance of size.
2. The fact remains we pursued DF heavily for a very long time. If Fisher didn’t think a WDE was important, we wouldn’t have put so much effort into him.
D. Not once did I mention anything regarding size. I said it is my opinion that we need an elite WDE in this coming class. While run stoppers are critical, a pass rushing specialist is also very important to a defense. Right now we have 1(hopefully)in Casher on this roster. In order to rotate, as you and Fisher have extolled the importance of many times, we need more than Casher moving forward. We have 0 proven DE in 2013 if Werner leaves for the draft.
Gold. I have been a posting member since September 2010. Not sure how that is considered “new”, but I have been an avid TN reader since November 2009.
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by newdynastynole on Feb 9, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said previously, to each his own.
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by newdynastynole on Feb 9, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Fisher was the Offensive Coordinator ... right?
If that is the case how does he have any influence on what the Defensive Coordinator would do?
God I love playing devil’s advocate!
He went up against LSU’s huge defensive front 7everyday in practice and saw how difficult their size made it for his offenses
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by newdynastynole on Feb 9, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Don't be a ding dong
;___;
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Feb 10, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tashawn Bower is one that FSU is looking at.
The Jersey kid. And a kid in GA, Reginald Carter. too bane a couple, but. i’m sure our staff has a lot more on their radar.
Heard a lot about Bower after the JFC last year.
Any film on him?
I've not been able to find much film on him.
Think he is somewhat under the radar, which may help us land him. Getting on him early. But, yea I know the staff lied what they saw from him at the camps.
Lb from booker t washington
He looks really good what is our chances
by Noles44 on Feb 8, 2012 6:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Matthew Thomas?
UM is all over him and lead
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by Bud Elliott on Feb 9, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
.....At which time they are all silents to Tennessee.
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by DRusso97 on Feb 9, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How is this not green??
Tennessee recruiting jokes never get old!!
Oh I agree
in facilities alone, changes a lot of minds.
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Why is there not even an OFFER to Brandon Kublanow??
Only film I have seen was from UGA camp, but good feet/hands/hips, decent size for a junior, and nasty disposition…..at a position of need (interior OL).
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Already way, WAY behind UGa.....GaTech, UF.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 9, 2012 4:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
F that. I read 2 articles, and saw 6 reps in no pads at UGa camp & I evaluated him--he deserves an offer.
Period.
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Rivals 250
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3054
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saw that...
No FSU early commits are on the 100-250. Golson is up there at 57 though. Shelton and Senat not being on their is kind of surprising, they should both be 4 stars though soon. Bain needs to make some camps if he cares about “stars” next to his name.
I am glad to see Green and Turman up their in the rankings, im crossing my fingers for those two at RB (of course Bryant wouldn’t hurt either)
What do we see in Shelton?
I saw his film and saw him live when they played Glades Central I don’t like him. Now Alexander I’ll take but Shelton not that impressive too me..
by Seminoles561 on Feb 10, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
and lead for #1
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by newdynastynole on Feb 9, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
ah ok! lol
I thought those were the rankings of some of their top recruits
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by newdynastynole on Feb 9, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely
to early in the game for it to matter to much, you are right there.
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and… we have been spoiled these past 2 years with very good signing classes. i think people will be disappointed if we don’t immediately start landing elite commits …er… be the favorite.
I will be dissapointed if we are not a top 3 on NSD
If we can take close to 30 this year. I expect us to be up there. We were 3 with less then 20 commits. So with this years class no reason for not being top 3. If we arent it means we whiffed a lot and took a ton of fillers. We dont do that anymore. Some 3 stars are inevetable with that many, and 90% in 12 is just amazing. But if less the half are not 4 or 5* then we settled a lot. Take a bigger class in 14 if we whiff after needs. But if UM gets respect just for signing that many. We better be up top or I will be upset.
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Tallahassee players
There are some good players from Tally in this class, right? Any word on where we stand for them?
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this is true, was only commenting on the Tallahssee kids
also think Hearns is overrated
Lincoln
That maybe so, but we can’t let Florida develop a pipeline at Lincoln. It want look good, If UF takes several highly ranked recruits from our backward. We still haven’t offered Reggie Davis. The kid deserves and offer. Florida and Georgia are loaded at LB an WR. So we will get our share either way.
by Oort Cloud Nole on Feb 9, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
not saying we won't put up a fight
just that it isn’t a pipeline anymore and Jacquez Green being there won’t help
on the will likely debate
too many big cb’s in the state with similar athleticism to take likely…we already have sojourn committed and he’s bigger than likely as well..at the hs level you can get away with things at cb that will be exposed once you make the leap to d1.
example I attended the uf camp with ricky gary a small db back in 05-06 and while he got the best of small thin wrs he got exposed by bigger more physical wideouts and this was in shorts and t-shirts…gary went to pitt and couldn’t do much at the d1 level…he was every bit as good as likely
I like him on offense
I agree with Bud I think Offense is best for him but you saw what happen to Greg Dent we didn’t recruit him as WR and he committed to UM to play WR. We wanted him as a DB but after he put up a monster senior season in WR we offer and he committed to us. I see the same thing happen with Likely…
by Seminoles561 on Feb 10, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
You are crazy...
Ricky Gary is not on Will Likely level and I saw both play. Alphonso Smith was a better player than Ricky Gary and you see what he did at Wake Forest. FSU didn’t look at Smith because of his size too. You guys acting like a small CB can’t make an impact. How can you compared a Gatorade Player of the Year to someone who didn’t even make Super 11 in palm beach county.
by Seminoles561 on Feb 10, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
would you take likely over alexander,washington,etc at cb? People need to get over the alphonso smith kick
by themonsta15 on Feb 10, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Stefon Diggs
Hearing from a very good source MD is very confident they land Diggs today
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Short term, good for us.
Long term, he could be very bad for us.
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by newdynastynole on Feb 10, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
By himself?? Sorry.....it takes more then a single 5* WR for UMD to threaten FSU.
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I was referring to locksley
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by newdynastynole on Feb 10, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
OK. Still worry about him a LOT less at UMD then elsewhere.
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I have no problem with UF signing top-10 classes annually if they continue missing on the game-changers.
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top 10, Miami style?
#massivefillerclasses
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Not THAT bad......I don't think it's possible for UF to have THAT bad of a class.
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Exactly. It's a damn good class....but not enough to scare me.
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What Palm Beach County players are we offering?
I live in Palm Beach County and I was hoping someone can tell me what players that we are recruiting.
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