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Florida State Fills West Virginia Void With Savannah State

Florida State announced Wednesday that Savannah State will fill the void on its schedule created when West Virginia reneged on the September 8th game after moving to the Big XII Conference.

After West Virginia waited until the 11th hour to cancel its game with Florida State, the 'Noles were left scrambling. FSU knew it needed to achieve several goals, including:

-scheduling a game against an FBS team that presents a minimal chance of loss in order to maximize the possibility of an at-large bid for a BCS game. Ideally, this should not be an FCS as the 'Noles already play an FCS in Murray State);

-not schedule any additional road games because of the new nine-game conference schedule and the damage it does to local businesses; and

-save face with the many fans who grew up with the "anyone, anywhere" philosophy and don't realize that scheduling like that is now foolish as the BCS system does not have a strength of schedule component following the 2004 changes by at least publicly attempting to schedule a tougher game.

How did Florida State meet each of its goals? I'd give them a "B" considering the circumstances. Why a "B"? Because I cannot give an "A" for another FCS school.

Release from the school:

"West Virginia's announcement at the 11th hour really put us in a very difficult position," said FSU Director of Athletics Randy Spetman. "We contacted every BCS school that had an opening in hopes of replacing WVU with a BCS opponent, but none of those few schools could make it work either because of our dates or theirs. It is important for our fans to realize that the schools we contacted during the search did not pass on the 2012 game out of concern for the competition, but because of challenges they faced with schedule changes this late in the year.

"We worked with Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Cincinnati, Syracuse and Pitt to name a few along with our current non-conference opponents and television partners, but reached a point where our options simply dried up. We might have been able to play on the road at some BCS schools this season, but that would cost our fans and the university one of just seven chances to play a home game and also would have a negative impact on our local economy."

Florida State will play Savannah State on September 8th and the entire 2012 schedule will be released shortly by the ACC. Savannah State will receive a guarantee of $475,000 to play the game.

"I know our administration was frustrated by West Virginia's decision and I can tell all our fans that we've done everything we could to explore all the options for a home game," said head coach Jimbo Fisher. "I believe the plans are for the ACC to go to a nine-game conference schedule once Pitt and Syracuse begin play. With Florida always on the schedule, it will leave us just two non-conference games every year so scheduling BCS teams will be more challenging from here on out for everybody."

Florida State has previously announced the dates for 2012 non-conference games against Murray State (September 1), South Florida (September 29 in Tampa) and Florida (November 24). Season tickets for 2012 are $321 each, which is a savings of thirteen percent over the purchase price of single game tickets if they are available. The single game ticket price for the Savannah State game will be $40.00.

The 'Noles publicly tried for another FBS team, but obviously couldn't offer a return road trip, making the price extremely high, particularly on such short notice. The price being paid here seems to be pretty good.

It's also important to note that FSU had to contact those big schools to show that it made an effort to mitigate its damages should it elect to sue West Virginia for additional damages (hint, hint). Spetman estimated that FSU could lose as much as $2.5M.

While there is no strength of schedule component in the BCS, it could play in the minds of voters who could be quick to latch on to the "two D1-AA/FCS" mantra. Early on, however, that doesn't seem to be the case, at least with one prominent writer for Sports Illustrated, who acknowledged that FSU is not the one to ditch the big game with WVU:

Ultimately, FSU has games at Virginia Tech, v. Florida, v. Clemson, at Miami, at N.C. State, at USF and potentially at Virginia Tech again in the ACC Championship Game. The 'Noles have plenty of opportunity to show their wares against top competition and this is not a big deal.

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I am disappointed...I moved to Indianapolis last year and was coming down to Tally for this weekend for this Game with WV....try and trade for the UM game I guess

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20

by FCANOLE on Feb 22, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Always great to hear of another Nole fan in Naptown

Welcome amigo. We are few, but mightily fighting the good fight here in Domer country.

by teter10 on Feb 22, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Indy?

Not many Nole fans in INDY — been a fan since 1993! Fourth grade for me.

Indianapolis Nole... 2012 Fear the SPEAR!

by LandoFSUNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Munster, IN here

Not in the heart of Indiana like you all, but another Hoosier Nole here

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by bigtim on Feb 22, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I have actually seen a lot of FSU fans here in Indiana...I where my FSU gear everywhere and they tell me they love the Noles....people did the chop all over town after we bean the Irish

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20

by FCANOLE on Feb 22, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

beat the Irish

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20

by FCANOLE on Feb 22, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm disappointed because it is much harder to get to Tally being 12 hours away than it was 4 1/2 my whole life...I am old school and love watching us play top teams...that is just me

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20

by FCANOLE on Feb 22, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Indy?

I live up by the Carmel Area… where do you watch games from?

Indianapolis Nole... 2012 Fear the SPEAR!

by LandoFSUNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I have seen just about every Noles Football and Basketball game at Buffalo Wild Wings...they always find them for me

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20

by FCANOLE on Feb 22, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually live in Richmond...on the Ohio border and work in Indianapolis...life long Tampa Bay area resident and '91 graduate of THE FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY :D

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20

by FCANOLE on Feb 22, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Hate on the BCS, not the schedule.

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by ricobert1 on Feb 22, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Most important aspect of scheduling, IMO, is avoiding the extreme

Like playing a top tier OOC opponent. Playing a bottom tier FCS school is also an extreme.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 22, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree somewhat

I feel that when the voters start looking at our schedule, they won’t see that big of a difference between Savannah State or North Texas

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

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by ricobert1 on Feb 22, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Time's up!

Where’s my happy DKN?

Come on! Turn that little frown upside down my friend. We’ve got an MNC to plan for.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Feb 22, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, let's compromise on Natty.

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by Nattylite on Feb 22, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Fight the good fight sir.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate that "M" too.

Ain’t nothin mythical about a big ass crystal football

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

one, two, three, four,

had to be done

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

irrelevant

if it is officially recognized by the governing body, it is not mythical. disagreeing with the method in which it was obtained does not make it any less valid.

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d be pissed if FSU did this without being pressured into doing so.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Pressure would make sense

Without a guaranteed ACC game that week (and would/could the ACC guarantee it without knowing the date of our other game?), why chance wasting the bye that early by scheduling on another date? Plus, for whatever reason it seems people are antsy about the ACC getting its schedule out. I could see us finally saying, “Screw it. Let’s play Savannah St.” (Not saying this happened, though.)

by Invictus13 on Feb 22, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Dr. Kenneth, you speak with discerning jaw muscles.

I a-freakin’-gree. Just for a few minutes, let us manage our disappointment…

by SolidNole on Feb 22, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe I caught some ridicule for not completely enjoying the Chuck Southern game last year.

by jasonole59 on Feb 22, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

indeed.

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week." - GEN George S. Patton

by JaxNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

reminds me of....

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#rememberthefive

by slc.nole on Feb 22, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

M.A.R.I.N.E.

My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment

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by shonole on Feb 22, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd for a great line...

and wish I could double rec for your signature….LOL

by RobbSeminole on Feb 23, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Look on the bright side

you post game play by play analysis won’t take as long to complete

by Nolegrad89 on Feb 22, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Season tickets for $321. That is just remarkable.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Feb 22, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Remarkable but deceiving. If you are in Priority II or I you need to factor a large donation + that price.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point

But even still, that is a paltry sum compared to programs of the same caliber.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Last I heard UF was $3k to just get season tix.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend but few understand." - Wes Westrum, Mets Manager

by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Not true at all

It’s a common misconception that UF football tickets are really expensive. Their season tickets are actually only $280, cheaper than ours. But you need to be a booster to secure tickets and at the lower levels there is a waiting list, so you pretty much need to fork over the cash and increase your booster level if you want any chance at season tickets in the near future.
2012 UF Football Season Ticket Info

FSU are back-to-back State champs! Combined score of 120-50.

by SThomasFSU on Feb 22, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

o you pretty much need to fork over the cash and increase your booster level if you want any chance at season tickets in the near future.

So……expensive or not? Kinda sounds like it is.

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.

by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

The Booster Contribution Levels look to be about 3X ours

$1,200.00 get you 4 seats between the 40s at FSU

It looks like that would be $3,400.00 at UF

Or, am I reading it wrong?

Florida State

State Champions (again!)

by SeminoleMike on Feb 22, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That contribution doesn't actually guarantee you those seats, trust me

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

100% correct.

When I lived in Gainesville in 2006, the system got really confusing after the fighting Tebows beat OSU in the MNC game.

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.

by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I was in with a buddy on some tickets (just two of them) from 2004 until after the 2009 season. Mostly just so I had tickets to at Vandy, at Tenn and the SEC Championship Game.

I don’t think I’d ever been as confused more in my life, than when they changed things after that National Championship.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

They definitely catered to the money.

My roomate’s father was one of those guys who was allowed to park their RV on the steps of the ODome…evidently he tried to buy 2 more season tix as a reward for his boy booking 2 classes, and couldn’t get them. I remember the epic bitch fit he threw, but evidently someone else was shelling out more.

My guess is that Timmy’s parents got his tix, but I guess we’ll never know.

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.

by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, unless you’re throwing out serious coin, it isn’t even worth it. Though to be able to park your RV at the O’Dome, is very nice. In fact, that makes me jealous. That’s even better than prime location. I’d have thrown a fit as well if I tried to get more tickets like he did and they told me no.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It was the strangest thing

Seriously…high school kids walking around with open beers right by campus police. INSANE

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

NOLA style

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

You aren’t getting four season tickets at The Swamp for $3,400. You’ll need to put a couple grand more on top of that, and hope for the best.

Georgia game isn’t included. You gotta “earn” that, if you know what I mean.

Though I will say it is easier to get tickets now, than say three years ago.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The neutral site rivalry games are such a cash cow

Look at Texas, OU, UGA and UF those 2 games make these 4 of the biggest revenue schools.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The best thing is, the WLOCP is raising ticket prices for future games:

Florida-Georgia tickets rising

Tickets for the Florida-Georgia game currently cost $40 for regular seats and $70 for club seats. They will be increasing to the following prices in the years ahead:
2012: $60, $100
2014: $70, $111
2017: $75, $120
Ticket prices for other rivalry games:
Michigan-Ohio State: $70 regular seating
Auburn-Alabama: $65 regular seating
Notre Dame-Southern California: $70 regular seating
Texas-Oklahoma: $110 regular seating
Army-Navy: $115 club, $65 priority seating
Miami-Florida State: $70 regular seating – $50 regular seating
Oregon State-Oregon: $78 regular seating
Missouri-Illinois: $70 concourse, $35 upper level
Source: UF athletic association

The link and numbers are from a piece I wrote in last June, so if the numbers have changed since then, we’ll, I apologize and will get to it in a few months. You know, when the budget numbers come out and everything.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Surprised at some of these

Of course none of these are the real number but wow at the Civil War. And is there any program that leaves as much money out there then Michigan?

The best part for those 4 is these games are not part of the regular season ticket package.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Michigan can't charge that much

The seats are about 16 inches across and we’re a fat state up here.

Brandon is doing quite a bit to raise the amount of $$ the football team brings in, and it’s leading to similar arguments to this thread on Michigan boards. IE: “Sick of playing ND every year if we’re playing 3 chitty teams otherwise to get 7-8 home games. Let’s at least schedule other big name schools and drop the Irish”, etc.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, not being part of the regular season package helps. But they’ve also got to make sure programs hit their numbers. Like say, what a normal home game or something like that would bring it. Or close to it, I would imagine.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

$1200 = Awesome Seats?

Uh…I donated $1200 in 2011 and bought season tickets but was at the 3 yard line on the good side of the stadium. I also donated $1200 in 2010 but couldn’t do season tickets that year.

Did I get screwed? What should I expect for 2012 season tickets, which I will also be matching with increased contributions to the next level?

by cpolumbo on Feb 23, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I meant, tix + booster contribution. Sorry, I was unclear in the original post.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That's nothing.

To get Bama season tix, you have to cut off your finger, sign your soul over to Nick Saban in blood, then curse out your mother and punch your dad in the face.

That’s before paying $5000 and sitting on a wait list for 3 years.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How significant of a donation are you talking about?

by CrimiNole Defense on Feb 22, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ticket Price

Forget the ticket price, even the booster donation (which is at least partially deductible), it’s the cost of the hotels that kills me. Every game I attend cost me about $1,000, and the ticket price is a small part of that.

by Owlguin on Feb 22, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Like this better than neutral site UCF rumor. I just hope there is a BYE or road game on 9/15 to help with attendance of the first two games.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe that should be added as an incentive to attend.

Pre-game sorority car wash, then the game, then the sorority happy ending post game?

"A better ending could not have been scripted. Of course, if we had won, that would have been better." -Bobby Bowden

by cerebralfish on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

speaking of money

overall (i.e,. after WVU payout, ticket sales, etc.) does FSU lose $ on this game?

Championship!

by TLHWG on Feb 22, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

Perhaps not the 2.5 million in ticket sales alone that Spetman stated, but it will be substantial.

Go tell it to Moses.

by FLpanhandler on Feb 22, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Potentially.

I don’t think it’s a clear as everyone would like to think, either way. Too many unknown variables

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Lucille......

That’s who I want to wash my car!

It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden

by Sobering on Feb 22, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Bud, does FSU get penalized in any way for 2 FCS opponents?

IIRC FCS opponents don’t count for bowl eligible wins (or something)….

Championship!

by TLHWG on Feb 22, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

Only one win against FCS can count for bowl eligibility. So, assuming FSU beats both FCS opponents, they’ll need 7 wins to get to a bowl. But if that is anywhere close to an issue in 2012, there will be bigger consequences to deal with.

by whodoes on Feb 22, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

2 1-AA opponents will be forgotten when we are 4-0 heading into October and injury free.

by Type 38 on Feb 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

5-0 unless we have a bye in September

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by AMFKNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Assuming that we're 4-0 and injury free

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. We’re only three months removed from a loss to Virginia.

by BobLoblaw113 on Feb 22, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

yea, that made me lose the game

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twitter of random stuff and tons of confessing FSU love

F THE ACC ..|.. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

by caine115 on Feb 22, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d take my cake and eat it too.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

remember, its local buisness people that will get hurt

Losing a home game is also losing eve that much more money. Neutral site against low tier<home game against garbage with forced hand

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twitter of random stuff and tons of confessing FSU love

F THE ACC ..|.. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

by caine115 on Feb 22, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

And do hotels still require a 2-night stay?

If so I’d be less inclined to be worried about them when scheduling games in the future…

by Invictus13 on Feb 22, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Blah

I didn’t really feel the need for another BCS-AQ opponent, but getting only Savannah State pretty much stinks. And since there will likely be 20,000 empty seats for the game, I can see a little bit as to how those numbers for losses from losing the WVU game might add up. Oh well.

by whodoes on Feb 22, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

ESPN3 baby. Hook that laptop up to the TV.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Or getcha an XBOX!

HD, pause, rewind…bomb diggity

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah I forgot about that. I have one of those now.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You going to surf the Ebays on it?

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You won't be disappointed

I’ve watched every FSU roundball game on my beautiful big screen plasma while all the other TN rejects are switching back and forth between commenting and watching the game.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Some of us have a time difference challenge.

#luckyguy

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by pasadenanole22 on Feb 22, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I do too.

Which is why I rarely comment a lot in the BBall games in those situations. Cannot stand the 3 minute time delay

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

noon game on Raycom?

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

could be

but if ESPN can sell it, rather than showing it online, i bet Raycom would be the buyers

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

Aren’t they stuck with one game for the entire region though? Would the fans in College Park give 2 sheeyats about FSU v Murray State?

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure

But it’s not like fans in College Park give 2 sheeyats about the MD game that week either.

#TheRandyEdsallWay

by ManiacMike on Feb 22, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

that is a valid point

i know Raycom has affiliates, so i suppose it is possible to sell the rights to individual stations instead of being a regional game, but that would require more than 1 crew (which isnt happening).

i guess the only option is to do what SunSports is now doing, which is to let ESPN people cover the game and buy the rights to air it on your station. i wonder if, by doing that, ESPN would offer it on ESPN3 out of market and the local Raycom affiliates within the market, like they do with basketball. i think that would be a win all around.

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Thought you had to subscribe for that?

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Not anymore, I don't think.

I watched the FSU/NCSt bball game the other day on the internet via theacc.com. I certainly didn’t pay for it. I think the iPhone app used to cost money, but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen ads lately that advertise it as free.

by Invictus13 on Feb 22, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I tried to download the app for iPad and it said I had to pay. hmm maybe for iPhone and iPad do. Or maybe I’m dumb. 50/50

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.

Using your computer, try going:

- Go to theacc.com
- Hover over ACC Network
- Click on “How to watch on the web”

That’s how I watched the FSU/NCSt game the other day. There’s even a banner at the top of the page that says, “Download the Official ACC App for Free.”

The next scheduled game is VT @ Duke on Sat. at noon. There are, however, some archived games you can watch (the other day I watched the 1993 FSU/UM game – now THAT brought back some memories. And did you know that Ray Lewis was a FR in that game? That guy is getting up there for a FB player…)

Some cool things I noticed: we have 4 SOs on the OL (and a JR); a two-year starting QB; a FR phenom at RB; a talented and deep WR corps; a superb D filled with upperclassman. Maybe the 2012 team, which oddly mirrors that one, can also win a NC!

by Invictus13 on Feb 22, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate the help! I think the app is free and you have to pay a subscription fee to stream live games on mobile devices.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah. That makes sense, I guess.

But do check out the archives – a few good FB and BB (M&W) games on there (though some of the FSU selections are stinkers – losses or 13-10 over UM type games).

by Invictus13 on Feb 23, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the Samford game a couple years ago made ESPNU, so it wouldn’t be crazy to see us on TV one of the first two weeks.

by 38Noles on Feb 22, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Excuse me if I'm not excited about this game.

I was soooo looking forward to playing WVU/ Sept. 8th trip to Tally = cancelled

by Nole300 on Feb 22, 2012 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

Mobile Rec

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Feb 22, 2012 11:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Why, because I am not excited about playing Savanah St?

Are you telling me that you are excited about this game?

by Nole300 on Feb 22, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

September scrimmage going into the meat of our season.

Absolutely no worry about losing, at all.

Chance to get lots, and lots of playing time for 2nd and 3rd team.

We get to see Trickett and probably Coker as well.

Cam Erving can play the entire offensive line by himself and we can run the first ever 9 WR set.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Feb 22, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

By game time I'll be where you are., Looking at the positives in the situation.

I’m not saying I’m upset or anything…Just not excited. I guess USF will be the game to look forward to all offseason now.

by Nole300 on Feb 22, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Not beating UM and UF for 3 straight? Or putting Clemson back in its place? Or going into Blacksburg and shutting up those cocky Hokies?

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Hate em.

My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.

by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i hate them even more now because they CONSTANTLY choke.

at least UF and UM actually do something in big games, we can at least respect that.

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week." - GEN George S. Patton

by JaxNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

And they try to chide us for choking.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

We only choke in road games with 4th quarter leads.

At FSU in 1994, At Miami in 2003 … sigh.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Amateurs

We’ve blown at least half a dozen 4th quarter UM leads alone!

by Invictus13 on Feb 22, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

aka

cock-gobblers

by garnetandgold on Feb 22, 2012 3:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

When you put it that way I can't wait!!

A scrimmage where I get to see Trickett hand the ball off in the 4th quarter and Cam Erving blocking 250 pound DTs!

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

the Garnet and Gold game sounds more interesting then this.

by Nole300 on Feb 22, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

How so?

More FSU players will get to play in the Savannah State game.

by car54 on Feb 22, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Secord must be ticked off he isn’t coming back.

by Type 38 on Feb 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Than

just here to help.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

this is what this conversation should have looked like:

FB friend: Savannah State???? ugh…
Me: This gives us a better chance to play in a BCS bowl game or nat’l champ – ill take that trade every time!
FB friend: true!! better chance of winning of course… and at this point any team that would present a challenge doesn’t have an opening. good point :)

You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!

by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 22, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

That's valid

I wonder, who’s going to be in the stadium early? Who’s staying until the end? How many people will actually get to their parking places, start tailgating and then say, “Ah, screw it, it’s more fun out here have a chilly one, etc.?”

I’m going, I’ve been going since LBJ was President. But I’m not gonna be foaming at the mouth and personally, I don’t want to hear any static from players, coaches, adminstrators, etc. about the fan support or lack thereof….

I guess it’s all about priorities. Just deciding what’s important, what isn’t and then, making decisions based on information you have.

It’ll be interesting to see what our injuries look like, both pre and post game, I guess.

It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden

by Sobering on Feb 22, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

well your lost excitement from not playing WVU

will be replaced by avoiding injuries and a guarantee to stay in the BCS bowl hunt….remember BCS bowl excitement? Its been a while…..

Championship!

by TLHWG on Feb 22, 2012 12:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Funny....

Two of the last three BCS bowl games that we went to, contained little excitement from the FSU faithful.

The Orange versus Penn State and the Sugar vs. Georgia didn’t seem to have our base real revved up…..

It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden

by Sobering on Feb 22, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Though you are never immune from injuries ...

I believe Reed was injured in our “warm up” games this past year.

Having said that … the injuries from the OU & Florida games dwarfed those of the “warm up” games.

by txnole on Feb 22, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

IIRC a lot of the starters played a lot longer than I'd have expected.

But I suspected maybe it was to get everyone more reps. I hope hope hope that we don’t feel the need to do that this year and that we can get the back-ups some good PT.

by Invictus13 on Feb 22, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

We do

We just want them to be playing those interesting games in early January, not September.

by paperjames on Feb 22, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I can live with that ...

… my opinion is that people who have the opinion that we should schedule difficult non-conference games are dead wrong. Are we on the same page now?

by Fsued on Feb 22, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

but

Do you know where Nole300 was travelling from? Understandable if he’s not travelling from Wyoming to see this game IMO.

Now, for I know, it might be Quincy…just sayin’.

by jasonole59 on Feb 22, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

thats just sad

if youre in Tallahassee on gameday there should be no excuse for not being in Doak

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by NorFla_Nole on Feb 22, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

thats just sad

if youre in Tallahassee on gameday there should be no excuse for not being in the Palace

by jmnpb996 on Feb 22, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

thats just sad

if youre in Tallahassee there should be no excuse for not being in the Palace

>>>─────;;─►

by NorFla_Nole on Feb 22, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

thats just sad

If your in Tallahassee there should be no excuse

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by caine115 on Feb 22, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Needless to say,

there’s really just no excuse

by imf10fsu on Feb 22, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

thats just sad

If youre Tallahassee there should be no excuse

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by NorFla_Nole on Feb 23, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he didn't even address that.

So how can he be wrong?

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

No, warchant is where the masses blindly follow others like sheep

This is supposed to be the site where people formulate their own opinions and respect others.

I’ve been here for 4 years, I know the difference.

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry about it tdcd.

I think sometimes posters say things in anonymity on here just hoping to get their first rec from a moderator.

fingers crossed!

by jasonole59 on Feb 22, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Or, they may have a different opinion then you on what is better for the program

I Do believe these tough OOC games help with recruiting, remember Goldman et al mentioning the electric atmosphere at Doak for the OU game. Things like that are good for the program.

There are positives and negatives to both ways of thinking, but. don’t think that only people who share your opinion have the best interests of the program in mind.

by Nole300 on Feb 22, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

We heard the "best interests of the program" interjection from another poster recently.

Glad we have those uniquely insightful individuals around here to correct us and set us on the straight and narrow. I’m foolish enough to agree with you Nole300.

by SolidNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Is that really in your best interest to do?

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said

I don’t have an issue with those being upset about losing the UWV. I just prefer to point out that their position is selfish.

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

So it's prove it empirically or we're selfish.

This is the sort of thing that spawned the word Doozy.

by SolidNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me rephrase

The reason that I would point out the error of their opinion (perceived on my part) is that the reasons given are usually about their experience, making it seem selfish to me.

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

um... enjoying FSU playing in good games?

Yes, so selfish. I really should take a step back and evaluate myself

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not really trying to get in an argument here.

But, reading back through the comments above, it seems those that are upset about the switch are talking about how the new game is messing up their personal experience. Maybe not selfish… self-focused?

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Personal experience of watching the games?

Isn’t that the point of being a fan is? Enjoying the games?

Or maybe it’s to bury your face in a spreadsheet and crunch numbers. That’s what being a fan is all about.

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ahhh, we've finally gotten here.

What is the pinnacle of success? Apparently, there are two different opinions on this. Yours and ours.

by SolidNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I want the program to have the best opportunity to play the last game in January and for that to be the pinnacle of the season…when do you want to the peak of the season to be?

Greatness courts failure.

by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

What do the players perceive as the pinnacle of success? What does everyone start the season with dreams of winning?

My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.

by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

And what's wrong with that?

Trying to work to understand a game and team that we love?

by paperjames on Feb 22, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, you don’t even go to any of the games, right?

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

how is this relevant?

Sorry I don’t fly across the country every week once I’m out of my friday classes.

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

To a large extent, the complaining is about those who don’t want to buy tickets, support FSU, drive to the games, etc. You’re just complaining about one lesser TV show, correct?

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Is that what FSU football is to you? A TV show?

And I’m the one who is not being a real fan. lmao

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you get his point.

Of course FSU is more than just a TV show to him. I think the point is that, right now at least, you’re not terribly invested in the FSU program. I’m not saying you’re a bad person, or that your investment level won’t change in the future. But carping about playing Savannah State, instead of WVU, does seem a tad selfish given the big picture.

by Dauntless12 on Feb 22, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, just that this move doesn’t have as great of an impact on someone who does not attend games.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand your point and not arguing the quality of the game.

Personally, I like this game because it’s easier for me to come in for (small kids).

However, attempting to dog each other based on money spent is dumb.

by gonoles74 on Feb 22, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone is attempting to "dog" anyone based on money spent.

The point has been made pretty clearly in this thread. I don’t think it’s meant to divide, just to explain.

by Dauntless12 on Feb 22, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

No, but it does separate the men from the boys.

I don’t make a lot of money, and I’m not even an alumni, but I promised that I would as long as Jimbo made progress. I stuck with that.

The program needs money. We love the program. It’s quite simple.

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.

by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

If you want the program to have continued success, you have to contribute to the program in some manner.

If you can buy a box, naming rights on IPF, etc. that’s great.

If you can’t afford/make it to games, buy one FSU hat, wear it every day, and talk sh*t to every orange-wearing bozo you see.

by jmnpb996 on Feb 22, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

Expecting everyone to attend games/become boosters isn’t feasible, but FSU athletics gives me well worth the $100 a year I scrape to fork out.

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.

by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No he's saying that's all it is to people who don't buy tickets, don't travel to games and don't monetarily support the program in amy way

To those people this is just one less good thing to watch on TV.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Not just enjoying it

But paying money to do so. That’s where I start to wonder, how many of the folks that want to play chumps at every opportunity, go to the games, home and away, etc.

I consider myself lucky in that, I have no hotel bills for the home games, etc.

It’s a tough call, I like to think that I can see both sides of the issue.

It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden

by Sobering on Feb 22, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I may be wrong on this

But I remember the players saying that a lot of their offseason focus last season had to do with wanting revenge on OU. So it seems to motivate the players and is not just a selfish fan outlook

by Nole300 on Feb 22, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If we never scheduled OU then they wouldn’t have needed revenge. And we would have won 7 straight NCs.

My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.

by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how they felt after the game with all of the injuries we sustained?

by bobbysura on Feb 22, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The point is

If it focused the players and motivated them during workouts it cant be selfish thinking on my part

by Nole300 on Feb 22, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha. I don’t think motivation is a problem when Vic is jumping and screaming at you every day in the summer. He’s good at what he does.

by bobbysura on Feb 22, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like rationalization to me. ;)

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

even more so

After the Clemson game because of the injuries received, and that other loss I wont tlk about

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by caine115 on Feb 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If fans don't opine on what's fun for them, then what's the point...

of watching other people do something that has very little impact on their own lives? If it has to do with pride in touting a National Championship won down the road and or looking out for those particular strangers in “our” program, then this amounts to Granfalloonery, in my opinion.

by SolidNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with fans opining what's fun for them

But, it would be nice if they admitted their opinion may not be in the best interest of the program.

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not to appease the fan base with a ridiculous OOC schedule.

Greatness courts failure.

by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

REC for being the one sentence to best sum up both arguments on this subject.
You obviously are fine with FSU’s players having to walk a harder road than the other teams in their tier.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Feb 22, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

There are things that can't be quantified.

It is impossible for me to right a story and give you any statistics on how going to OU and getting our behinds kicked in 2010 helped make us a better team now. Or Exactly how much of an affect playing these tough OOC games has had on our recruiting

But understand when you write these posts on how easy scheduling helps you are assuming that all other things remain equal. Things such as recruiting, player development, coaching etc. If playing these games changes any of this at all then all of those posts that have been written lose all value

by Nole300 on Feb 22, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

The only way you’re going to see “name” teams is if they get offered a lot of money to play in the Chick ’Fil A classic.

And even then you have to balance the offer with possibly upsetting Tallahassee businesses who support FSU football and make bank on home game weekends.

If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.

by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Since you offered "empirical evidence" in response to

me saying there are some things that can’t be quantified I am going to assume you didn’t even read my post before responding

by Nole300 on Feb 22, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't you say the same about your opinion also?

If FSU makes a BCS game (an increased chance with an easier OOC scheduled) then they are in the public’s mind longer and have a stage all to themselves. Also, high school recruits could imagine themselves on that stage, or some cliche thing like that. Of course their are gains and losses to each veiwpoint.

I would point out that a consistent schedule of only 1 tough OOC game would improve player development (more backups get to play which could also help recruiting).

For more or a quantitative feel I would point you towards this article.

by evenflow58 on Feb 22, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Well your statement requires an extra step which you are attributing to the weak

OOC schedule but may not necessarily be a result of the weak schedule. If FSU makes a BCS bowl game. But it also ignored the possibility of FSU playing a weak OOC and not making a BCS bowl. I was simply talking about scheduling tough games not a series of other things also happening

by Nole300 on Feb 22, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I am trying to look at the ramifications of each scheduling option

I think you need to look at the chance of something happening. Of course FSU won’t always make a BCS game when scheduling two cupcakes but their chances of making one are certainly increased and that’s the key. How can FSU put itself in the best position to have a successful season.

Most people (voters, fans, critcis, etc) will judge a season by it’s final record so FSU should put itself in the best position (within reason) to exceed the goals that are set before them.

by evenflow58 on Feb 22, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I am OK with reliinquishing the cupcake theory

Once FSU becomes a staple top 10 team. Until then, lets play them until the bruise from a loss won’t slide us outta BCS contention.

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.

by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't that be a chicken or the egg arguement?

You’d have a better shot at a better record with cupcakes and a better record correlates strongly to a higher ranking.

by evenflow58 on Feb 22, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

When you get there, yes.

But I want to get there first.

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.

by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Which takes me back to my original point

Not everything can be Quantified. If FSU wins a BCS game this season there is no way to know exactly what effect playing tough OOC games in the past may have helped the players on this years team and coaching staff. Or How many guys on this team it helped us land. So if we are talking strictly wins and loses and holding everything else equalm sure, let’s drop UF and play 4 cupcakes because at the end of the year that is what will look the best

by Nole300 on Feb 22, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

BCS rankings are determined mostly by the human vote

You don’t think voters look at SOS? Look at the schedules? You don’t think 11-1 with a win over WVU looks better than 11-1 with a win over SS?

It blows my mind that some of you say that SOS is meaningless. IT’S A HUMAN VOTE. Unless you can show me that there isn’t a single voter who will look at schedules, who will notice we play 2 FCS teams, etc, then you are WRONG, IT MATTERS.

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummmmm what?

West Virginia, if we won, would be possibly our best win of the year so…. again, beating them would help our BCS resume.

And there’s a decent chance UF is unranked again next year.

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You just said strength of schedule

So why should we play a more difficult SOS and have a higher risk of loss if a one loss SEC team is going to get in anyway?

by paperjames on Feb 22, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

No, but we do have a much higher profile than OSU.

My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.

by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I don't think they look at SOS or schedules.

Why else is Boise State a top 5-10 team yearly? Why did Houston make it to #5 with their best win over UCLA? Why did Virginia Tech beat no one last year and go to the Sugar Bowl?

I do think if we’re one of three teams this year undefeated, we’ll take a hit because of this 2nd FCS game. I also think this is a one time deal because of the lateness of the game change.

If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.

by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Boise is often undefeated and they have a few impressive wins

on their resume? Houston was undefeated. VT’s only 2 losses came to another BCS team.

You really think SOS has NO impact?? Really?

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Few impressive wins...multiple?

Va Tech played a cupcake OOC, still went to BCS bowl.

Greatness courts failure.

by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

what?

SOS had an impact on VT going to a BCS bowl or BSU being highly ranked? both are false.

Greatness courts failure.

by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It still has an impact on the voters

It might not show in every case. Doesn’t mean it’s meaningless

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The FSU name has enough pull to win out over most programs

Schools like UF, Texas, and Alabama would likely be ranked ahead of FSU with similar records. That’s about it. I like those chances over risking an extra loss.

by evenflow58 on Feb 22, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, they got chosen over a team playing a SOS

50 slots ahead of them in Kansas State.

What exactly does that prove?

If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.

by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's pretty clear evidence against your argument

Going to actually counter it or just stomp your feet?

If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.

by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Quoting from this article:

Under the current format, four of the six BCS-conference teams that finished outside the national championship game with the same number, or fewer, losses as the second place team have had better strength of schedule averages than the second place team (using an average of the BCS computers’ strength of schedule rankings)

by evenflow58 on Feb 22, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

This is honestly becoming someone wanting there opinion to be correct so bad

That when presented with absolute factual eveidence and examples like shows and given they use those as anomalies. Houston, Boise, VT, Bama, KState…….All examples of SOS meaning nothing. Record does. At end of the year. If we are unbeaten or in a 3 way tie with 1 loss, depending who the loss is to, and who we are against, Its going to come down to name recognition unless its 2 SEC teams and thats just cause of them being the SEC.

A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
twitter of random stuff and tons of confessing FSU love

F THE ACC ..|.. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

by caine115 on Feb 22, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

This

The only way a 0 loss FSU does not get in is in a 1 in 200 year event that has 2 of Texas, USC, ND, Michigan, Bama also with 0 losses and ranked ahead of FSU the whole season. SOS is still not going to matter here FSU could have played LSU, Oregon, and tOSU OOC and they will still be left behind.

With 1 loss its out of your hands and Brand Value has so far trumped all.

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by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohio State as well.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

VT’s only 2 losses came to another BCS team.

This completely ignores your SOS argument.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

VT played a terrible SOS, lost to 2 BCS teams and still made it to the Sugar Bowl at large, and you are arguing the importance of SOS.

I agree it plays a part, just not nearly as large a one as you think.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

what an empty argument, a non BCS team

plays 1 bcs school a year, we play what 9 or 10.

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by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

fail

you’re basing your argument on outliers

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by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 22, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

What PalmAireNole said above. Boise’s conference has 7 of the worst 30 teams in the nation I believe. And Boise lost to a conference foe. And Boise is not FSU. And the MWC is not the ACC. Apples and Oranges.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Again

Boise has played 7 BCS conference schools (not including bowls) in the past 4 years.

by paperjames on Feb 22, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

who am I missing?

08-Oregon
09-Oregon
10-VT, oregon state
11-Georgia

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by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it was 7 including bowls

I counted the other day and now I feel crazy

by paperjames on Feb 22, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

7 including bowls.

Didn’t read the margin on the note I wtore myself about it

by paperjames on Feb 22, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

what is that 3 less than we play this year?

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Because the only team they couldn't beat was a solidly ranked BCS squad

That doesn’t exactly launch your quality into stratosphere. Which means VT was given the invite to a BCS bowl despite their only merits being Ws against teams like App State, E Carolina, Marshall and Ark State. Do you really think those teams pushed VT ahead of everyone else?

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by Sir Lawrence J on Feb 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

No. The belief that VT would sell tickets

is what pushed them past others.

I am unaware where in SOS “ticket selling” is included, but I’m being told that SOS is key to a BCS bid.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You're absolutely right

Which means that SOS is one of the last things to be considered overall.

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by Sir Lawrence J on Feb 22, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

SOS does matter

If it didn’t matter, you wouldn’t see Nick Saban adding teams like VT, Clemson, PSU, Michigan. Playing games like that when you already have an SEC West schedule and the greatest prestige in the game only makes sense if SOS is a factor in the title discussion, and Nick Saban doesn’t do things that don’t make sense.

Now whether SOS mattes enough to a team coming off two 4 loss seasons that we should schedule tougher now rather than just post a nice record is debatable I think.

by 38Noles on Feb 22, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We've always said 1 legit OOC +3 scrubs is enough

This year we’ve got UF AND USF. Plenty.

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by AMFKNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

1 legit OOC and 3 scrubs could be enough for Florida State, but surely we can’t say the exact same applies to Alabama. They play in the toughest division of the toughest conference in the sport, and are the hottest team going right now. An unbeaten season gets them in the NC Game no matter who they play OOC, yet Saban still pursues difficult games.

The only conclusion I can come to is that SOS does matter at least somewhat.

by 38Noles on Feb 22, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You can't have it both ways

An unbeaten season gets them in the NC Game no matter who they play OOC

The only conclusion I can come to is that SOS does matter at least somewhat.

SOS doesn’t become a factor because of Saban’s scheduling policy. It’s not that SOS can’t be an overall consideration, but it does only when the situation forces it to.

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by Sir Lawrence J on Feb 22, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that, but suspect that some here have pushed SOS just a little too far in the background.

by 38Noles on Feb 22, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

No, they see record, not resume. Said it here a million times.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Of I'm guaranteed victory, sure, we can play wVU (your example implies we beat WVU)

The real question is the difference between 12-0 woth a W against SSU or 11-1 with a L against WVU.

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by AMFKNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

...so how did Boise end up in the NC talk for a few years in a row?

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by STAquinasNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

how does your chance to get injured increase?

Aren’t you still playing football?

You could make the argument that you are less likely to get injured (less snaps, stronger opposition, etc..) but you could also make the argument that you would be more likely to get injured (lack of focus due to inferior opponent, dirty play by outclassed opponent, etc…). I agree that we should do everything in our power to increase the chances of playing in a NC. I’m just not convinced the perceptions of reducing injuries is a legit concern. If anyone has analysis showing that you are more likely to get injured in a BCS OOC game is be interested to see it.

by nolesdude on Feb 22, 2012 1:31 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

That would be an interesting study

I lean heavily towards the belief that one is more likely to be injured in a more important game. Simple principle of more snaps = greater probability of injury, plus the fact that in a situation such as a mobile QB he’ll be asked to run significantly less, as was the case with EJ last year.

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by DKfromVA on Feb 22, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This

Plus in an important game you might ask you would push your body to do things it normally wouldn’t do. Good example would be EJ in the ND game playing hurt, wouldn’t happen if it was a meaningless game.

How many injured guys suit up that would benefit from an extra week of rest.

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by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Not buying the EJ example

His leg was already fractured. Even if he came out immediately after the injury he still had a fractured leg. Considering we don’t know how his leg was fractured it is a stretch to say it was b/c he was pushing his body.

by nolesdude on Feb 22, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

would he continue to play on it if it was it was a meaningless game risking further injury.

Guys would not play through pain for an easy win.

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by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

that's irrelevant if he is already injured

plus they would play through pain regardless of the competition if their are worried about competition for their spot in the lineup.

by nolesdude on Feb 22, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

So EJ would keep playing risking further injury against a D-2 school? come on you don't really think that do you?

Point is guys who are slightly injured would NOT play allowing them to rest. Guys who get tweeked would be pulled, where they might not if it was a big game risking further injury.

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by PalmAireNole on Feb 23, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Add on

And on a per snap basis playing against bigger, stronger and faster opponents is going to increase the risk of injury. I am not worried about a fight with a 4 year old but against someone my same size I worry about injury.

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by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

This

The fact that you are playing vs superior athletes increases the chance of injuries (common sense dictates it, sorry I don’t have any stats to back the statement.)
The DL of OU vs Charleston Southern was a difference of like 50 lbs before factoring in the strength programs.

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by Marmaduke1 on Feb 22, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh good, more snark.

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by Marmaduke1 on Feb 22, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

How about physics?

More apt to be injured due to more force? Make me a chart DKN.

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by Marmaduke1 on Feb 22, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I've always perceived most injuries

occur somewhat randomly and have little to do with opponent quality or physical size (within the normal range of CFB player sizes)…playing against 5 year olds would be quite different, I think. It seems most injuries result from awkward falls or someone rolling your ankle/knee. But, I have no data to support or refute…therefore, I would never present it as factual.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 22, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Just playing devil’s advocate here, but if you look at the games of FSU/OU and FSU/UF just this last year, how many injuries were there? You never see that in games like FSU/ULM. Maybe one or two freak injuries, but that’s it

by SteadfastNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

At the same time I wonder

how much of an injury issue could be out of going from playing two soda cans to Oklahoma without a step between. Straight from 230 pound D linemen to 290 pounders, from getting behind the D and open for a TD pass to "oh, crap they can catch up and nail me when the ball arrives.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, maybe.

My thought would be it’s more a function of snaps played than opponent played. FSU routinely kept starters in late in games that were over early.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 22, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably a little of both. The ‘bigger, stronger, faster’ argument, combined with being on the field longer playing at a high level of intensity

by SteadfastNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I agree with this.

It’s also about the “type” of team played. A 250lb OT can be just as effective at imparting injury as a 300lb OT if they are both diving at your knees because they chop block.

by TuckNole on Feb 22, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, I don’t have supporting data either. You are the stat guy and I’d love to see if a study has every been done on the subject.
I am an insurance guy and my thinking is based on actuaries. So to me, playing a stronger, faster, bigger team would increase the risk. Who can we appoint to do this study?

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by Marmaduke1 on Feb 22, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a fellow insurance nerd

are you suggesting that playing a stronger, faster, bigger team would increase the frequency of the injuries or the severity of the injuries?

by nolesdude on Feb 22, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Plain & Simple.

Most injuries occur from the hits G5, Joyner, & Bradham put on people.

by NoleLaw on Feb 22, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I could argue common sense that you are wrong

Against a quality opponent, players are focused on winning, not avoiding injury.

Common sense, (and most athletes who are quoted) dictates that most injuries happen when players are trying to avoid them.

Silly argument right? Just like you saying common sense is more than enough for your theory.

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by Miaminole on Feb 22, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t say common sense is more than enough.

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by Marmaduke1 on Feb 22, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I buy the trying to avoid injury = greater chance to get injured argument.

That sounds like the perfect situation where the relatively few exceptions stand out like a beacon in the memory.

Running out of bounds is a pretty low-risk action. Opting not to dive for a poorly thrown pass, ditto. Etc.

by Invictus13 on Feb 22, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget that the other players

ARE AS BIG AND AS FAST AS OURS ARE.

If I am an LB, I’m much more scared of Jeff Luc by himself than all 3 of ULM’s backers put together.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

*RB

And I just saw that I’ve echoed the same sentiment that 2 posters presented above. Apologies.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

*i'd be

Stupid phone

by nolesdude on Feb 22, 2012 1:35 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Either side of the equation is primarily about personal feeling. Some people want to increase the chances of a national title game and are willing to sacrifice some more interesting regular season games to get it. Some people want to have more interesting games and are willing to sacrifice some on the odds of a national title game to get them.

There are arguments to be made about money and things such as that, but most people don’t bring empirical facts to that discussion and simply assert that the numbers, naturally, back up their own personal preference.

I get why people that want to go to games but have to go through a lot of time and money to go to them are very disappointed in this (playing a terrible opponent at a time of year where the weather could be brutal). I also get why people are disgusted with the scheduling philosophies that have come to dominate in the BCS era – even if I personally believe that FSU needs to smartly play by the BCS era rules and not handicap itself. It really is no more “wrong,” however, for someone else to have their personal preference for good regular season games than for me to have my own preference to play in a national title game this year.

by whodoes on Feb 22, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You forgot to mention it's a completely valid interjection.

Opinions are respected, but it doesn’t mean others don’t find them selfish.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Valid in that it supports their point that others are being selfish.

Now, are you really suggesting that opinions are being respected here, Corn?

by SolidNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

There are people on both sides are not respecting opinions. Can’t we all love each other?

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too

Didn’t mean to bring the wrath with the “selfish” comment.

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't feel guilty.

If you honestly feel a certain way, why be guilty in expressing your POV, as long as you can articulate WHY you feel that way in a civil manner?

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha

I’ve avoided that completely in an attempt to maintain said civility. Others are picking up the slack for me, though. Devnole has made me particularly proud.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No way, man.

Glad you did. Just because it’s hard “sorting things out” doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile. Again, glad you did, even if we disagree.

by SolidNole on Feb 23, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the majority of snark from people who want better games

is because there is an overwhelming number of people who all it stupid and selfish.

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by Miaminole on Feb 22, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

I respect your opinion. I just think it’s selfish. What is unclear about that?

How you respond to the criticism is your business. If you can’t handle people calling you selfish, then don’t participate. It’s pretty simple.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Reread my post. I didn't ask you to clarify what you think is selfish.

We apparently disagree about whether or not people in this thread are being uniformly respectful. I think it comes down to what Frank, I believe, said in a recent thread, Before posting, ask yourself, would you say this to the person’s face? Review what’s been said in this thread. I think there is a lot that people would not actually say to an acquaintance or their parent or their boss.

by SolidNole on Feb 23, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Just to clarify

I have used the “selfish” line on family members.

by BenDNole on Feb 23, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree on the values of tough OOC home games. They are good for the program at the correct times.

But scheduling a “name” opponent for a home game this year would necessitate a road trip next year.

That means 2013 would only have 6 home games (Miami being only notable game) with road games at WVU/replacement, UF, Clemson, and GT.

It’s hard not to recognize the benefits of 7 home games every year. I’d definitely say someone who wants to play a marquee opponent in 2012 supports playing them on the road in 2013, along with UF, Clemson, and GT.

You’re talking about playing 4 likely top 25 opponents (2 OOC) on the road and only 6 home games. That is not in the best interest of the program. That’s not an opinion.

by jmnpb996 on Feb 22, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's your biggest problem - the ACC doesn't know when it'll be adding Pitt/Cuse, and FSU doesn't know which years will be 4/5 road ACC games. The 9 game ACC schedule is a wildcard.

FSU has to schedule with that in mind. It’s VERY possible that the ACC schedules us with 5 conf road games and UF on the road in 2013. That’s 6 already.

Let’s say, for example, we schedule a home 2012 and away 2015 game. Then in 2013 we find out that we have 5 conf games along with UF on road in odd years. You’d have 7 road games in 2015.

Even if the ACC sets it up right, and we have a combination of 5 road games every year from 4 conf/UF in odd years and 5 conf in even years, doing a home and home with a “marquee” game means you will have 2 OOC BCS road games + 4 ACC road games, including Clemson.

We should be scheduling for 7 home games EVERY year. Gone are the days of 8 home games.

FSU can’t schedule years ahead when it doesn’t know what the rotation will be.

by jmnpb996 on Feb 22, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Winning helps recruiting

These cupcakes don’t hurt recruiting when we will still play USF, UF, and quality conference games. There is enough competition to get recruits attention. Playing in a BCS game gets recruits attention. As for the folks that aren’t going to the game, that is silly. I went to every game I had tickets for when I lived in ATL and had season tix. I go for the trip to Tally, to see the Noles play whoever lines up against them, and to catch up with old friends.

We didn’t play in a conference when this entire “play anyone” mentality started. Even those years had their share of of cupcakes. Much of this is hindsight, remembering the big games and forgetting the games against Tulane or East Carolina or Georgia Southern.

by WBisaNOLE on Feb 22, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Horrible. Then Clemson, I believe.

by SolidNole on Feb 23, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Southern Miss in Jacksonville, followed by a loss to Clemson.

Two losses to start the season, then they ran the table. What might have been?

by Dauntless12 on Feb 23, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so. The year before, 1988, FSU was pre-season #1 and got drubbed by Miami in the opener.

As I’m sure you remember, in 1989 the Noles beat the Hurricanes only to have UM go on to win the national title.

by Dauntless12 on Feb 23, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

Perhaps it’s ‘88 I’m thinking of. Crazy times. I thought we were going to win a NC before the end of the 80s, for sure.

by SolidNole on Feb 24, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Why is January > September

I get it if it’s the national title game, but say we didn’t play OU last year and instead got a shot at them in New Orleans; there’s no way the atmosphere on a Wednesday night in New Orleans approaches that of that Saturday night in Tallahassee. The game in September still had national title implications, a BCS consilation bowl isn’t as interesting.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Cause if we play them in January we are playing them in the BCS

Playing them in September meant 2 non BCS teams played each other and one of them took enough injuries to cost the ACC

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by caine115 on Feb 22, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

So the only way to be a non-groupthink guy

is to agree with you?

Note: There is sometimes a good reason why the popular view is popular, especially in a venue where the participants are able to distinguish a hole in the ground from their southern extremes.

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by fmnole on Feb 22, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Key word: Joke

My opinion is that your opinion on my opinion is spot on.

by Fsued on Feb 22, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope you are not pursuing comedy as a full time job anytime soon, as it’s pretty evident that a lot of people thought you were completely serious (me included)…this is evidenced by the comments below, and tdcd’s thoughts as well.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You people...

The commenter did not even state anything implying that we should schedule insane games in the future. All he did was state a fact that is going to be true for thousands.

Just because I think we should schedule smart doesn’t mean that I would not have looked forward to the WVU game had they not cancelled.

Chill out.

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by FLpanhandler on Feb 22, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That's kinda harsh, no?

There is a huge difference between not being excited about a game, and going ape doo doo because of it.

Someone can very easily recognize it’s smart to schedule these games, but not be excited about it. It seems that the popular thing to do around here is jump on people who are disappointed (and rightfully so), that they’ll miss out on a big time matchup. There’s nothing wrong with that, IMO.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think its more then that

Its not the ones that would rather play anyone anywhere anytime so much as its those that want that and believe its somehow makes the program more successful. That believe SOS matters once your an AQ school. That for some reason no body remembers FSU.

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by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Mobile Rec x 2

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by xfactor159 on Feb 22, 2012 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You're excused. Next.

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by fmnole on Feb 22, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

At least you’re consistent. That’s awesome.

by SolidNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

This is great!

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by Nattylite on Feb 22, 2012 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

It will do.

I was hoping for another ULM type team, but oh well.

by jasonole59 on Feb 22, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Terribly great.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

This is hard to be excited about.

The Western Carolina and UT Chatt stretch was brutal.

by jasonole59 on Feb 22, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

not

to everyone… the UTC was my first FSU game, UTC alumni here too. What I’m more worried about, is that those games didn’t teach our team squat, at least it seems like with what happened the rest of the year.

by StM on Feb 22, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Mocs!

The player who scored UTC’s touchdown against y’all is a good friend of mine.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

be sure to tell him

that praying in the end zone is a penalty :) I ended up back at UTC in a visiting faculty position three years after that after FSU/UTC and taught 3 football players that were freshmen back then in that game. Really small world. Things are pretty different at that level. I remember a week that one of them got “promoted” from DB/WR to starting kicker lol.

by StM on Feb 22, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, I will. You weren’t by chance in the History department were you?

Yeah, UTC football is crazy like that. The games at Finley are fun though.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

can't do much

when you don’t attract D1 talent. I think the year I was back, UTC had a UT xfer in the QB spot. Had to have been the first 4 star ever – he did air it out pretty well. Not sure what Terrell Owens counts as.

Tennessee football and that UTC is still making the transition from a commuter to a more traditional college means that there aren’t as many UTC football fans. It’s a pity because Finley is definately nice, they’ve done a fine job.

And nope, not history, was in the COBA. Sorry to disappoint but my kids like to eat…. lots! :)

by StM on Feb 22, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, BJ Coleman. He can play. But I don’t know if he’ll make it in the NFL. He’ll get a chance though.

When UTC would host the FCS National Championship I used to get season tickets just because if you bought Mocs Season Tickets, you got the National Championship game tickets for free.

And, COBA. Oh well, we wouldn’t have ran into each-other then. Well, unless you were either in any of the meetings with Chancellor Brown and/or history chair Rushing.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

Maybe it didn’t teach the starters much but those are the games you develop depth and next year’s team with. Consistently scheduling like that allows a team to stave off down years.

by evenflow58 on Feb 22, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess

I can see it both ways. Just have bad memories of how the last “two chump” season turned out.

by StM on Feb 22, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm excited that it isn't the 2008 Patriots.

I like the extra practice time too. Maybe we can actually win the ACC this year.

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by Nattylite on Feb 22, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I think people are excited that the schedule can come out now and that FSU didn’t make a major screwup

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

^yup

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by fmnole on Feb 22, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

With our administration there was still a fear that one of these big teams would decide a trip to FSU sounded good and we’d have Arkansas coming in here or something.

by 38Noles on Feb 22, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Its whatever for me. Like Bud says above, we still have @USF, UF, CU, @VT to be excited about. Early season games are usually bleh.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

who gives a damn

if we run the table this year those 2 I-AA teams wont matter unless there are 2 other undefeated teams (not in the SEC)….or any SEC team with 4 losses BUT OH MAN ITS THE SEC HAND THEM THE CRYSTAL BALL!

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by JaxNole on Feb 22, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

'Scuse me while I whip this out..."

by GoNolzOhio on Feb 22, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha

Keeping it real

Go tell it to Moses.

by FLpanhandler on Feb 22, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Right. Those who say they won’t come to watch this but would have come to watch Akron are lying.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

The ZIPS, Bud. The ZIPS!

I accept Process...as long as it yields immediate beneficial results.

by fmnole on Feb 22, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Bad example

There would be interest from some simply because of Akron’s coaching staff. That would be an attraction for some.

But your point is well taken.

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by Sobering on Feb 22, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

There isn’t much difference between some high school teams and some middle school teams.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

What I’m trying to say is that we are playing a Pop Warner team.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, can’t wait for our fans to get pissed at G5 for falling for the “Annexation or Puerto Rico.” It will get worse when Ice Box beats him on a jump ball.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Spike is an Ahole

"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum

by Miaminole on Feb 22, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm willing to give a pass on this one

because the scheduling move had to be made at 11:56pm with the report due at Midnight.

If they start scheduling multiple FCS teams yearly when they have plenty of warning, I’ll be disappointed.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

dkn

VA tech says hello. If you are to tell me that we could have an OOC as weak as Vatech and still make it to the BCS game as an AT LARGE BID for crying out loud vs the shamockery of our OOC in years past I would take it in a heart beat. Not to mention we are FSU! which has a ton more curb appeal than vatech or most other schools. I am tired of submitting to the fans who just want to see FSU get used like a hot girl who puts out and gets nothing in return (BCS game appearances). Id rather see our marque match ups in January not September.

by origiNOLEone on Feb 22, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, that certainly wasn't original. Been said here a million times.

And like I’ve always said, I agree with easier OOC schedules. I’m not excited about playing SSU or two I-AA teams. I’m happy for you that you are, though.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 22, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

This is it.

Easier OOC schedules, cool. Full fledged patsies, not cool.

by SolidNole on Feb 23, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

truthiness

"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum

by Miaminole on Feb 22, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Bud’s grade of B. North Texas or the like would’ve been an A+. But, got out of WVU game, got to play the victim in the media, and helped the chances of making a BCS game. A lot to like, all in all.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Feb 22, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Seems like they did the best they could on short notice…

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by Nattylite on Feb 22, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

The opportunity to sue the toothless vagrants of West Virginia for lost revenues is also a bonus for the athletics dept.

by teter10 on Feb 22, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

a solid ancillary benefit.

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by JaxNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I am of the opinion that this played more of a role in scheduling SSU than most.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Feb 22, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone continue to refresh this page as I am providing updates from FSU.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

First in with 2012 win percentages

Murray State — 100
Savannah State — 100
WF – 90
BC – 90
@NCSU — 75
@Miami — 65
@Maryland - 85
Clemson – 55
@VT -
- 45
@USF — 90
Duke — 100
Florida — 75

by Fsued on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

I'll have to wait to I see our schedule to do mine

But, I would put USF a little lower, and maybe bump Maryland up.

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Pessimist!

I think most of us are expecting 11 or 12 wins at this point. Why do you want to rain on our parade Fsued? Reality can wait.

Is the poster known as FSU actually Terry Saban? And why does TN not want you to know?

by csfuu on Feb 22, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about you guys

But I’d much rather shift that graph to the right as much as possible.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks about right. I think my 11 might be over the 9 if the schedule falls just right

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

58.5% to be precise

But only a 26.7% of 11+. Anything less than 11 wins would be a massive failure and should lead to mass firings among the coaching staff and the university administration.

Ahh, ok, it’s not that funny. Sorry. I’m a nerd, not a humorist.

Is the poster known as FSU actually Terry Saban? And why does TN not want you to know?

by csfuu on Feb 22, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone called this yesterday

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Feb 22, 2012 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Huh… home games? Only way to get any respect is to play those on the road in the snow.

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by coonhound on Feb 22, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

10 on 11

only way to get the respectz.

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by AMFKNole on Feb 22, 2012 11:37 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Yeah! - Let ask LSU if we can come to Baton Rouge 3 years in a row!

Then again, they might not like that idea.

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by SeminoleMike on Feb 22, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

FSU vs LSU in the Superdome in December 2014, prior to UF game

The “Biggest Balls Bowl”.

Named this because the plans are to actually remove the roof of the Superdome in the hopes that in the event of a December snowfall in Baton Rouge, the winning team will win that much more respect.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

see... It's clear thinking like this that makes the rest of us envious.

.

I accept Process...as long as it yields immediate beneficial results.

by fmnole on Feb 22, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess-

this is about as good of a scheduling move as you could hope for.

Please tell me, am I the only one slightly nervous about the USF matchup? I have it at a .60 in my win shares. So I’m not tacking it up as a loss, but still…. Maybe I still have that 2009 meltdown in the back of my mind. Witnessed that garbage first hand.

Don't worry, I'm just hairy-assing you.

by Gunner92 on Feb 22, 2012 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

.60? I’d have it around .75 or .8 I think.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I think both are two low.

0.6 implies that we are only a 3-3.5 point favorite.

I would imagien we’d be at least a 12-14 point favorite, wich would imply .83-.85

by TuckNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the assist, I never have really paid attention on the point spread aspect of the % and tend to just wing it.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't aware of the point spread aspect as well

Thanks for clarifying, like RollNole5 I kinda wing it as well. Would the 12-14 point favorite include the 3 points for the home team?.. I was kinda thinking we would be a 7-10 point favorite. Despite some bad losses last year I think USF is a pretty solid team- and they really want to establish themselves which in my mind gives them a motivational edge, are they losing a lot of players?

Don't worry, I'm just hairy-assing you.

by Gunner92 on Feb 22, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Or maybe I should say

I think USF is a talented team, capable of giving us a good game especially considering their motivational edge.

Don't worry, I'm just hairy-assing you.

by Gunner92 on Feb 22, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Returning 8 on both sides per Phil Steele

They got a lot a mileage about their strength based on that ND win last year.
Outside of that incredibly lucky win, they beat:
UTEP
Ball St.
FAMU
Syracuse

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, not much there

But 8 returners on both sides is pretty good. I’ll probably raise that win share. I didn’t really consider this game a major question mark on the schedule, I’m really only worried about Clem and VT… I still have to remind myself I’m not dealing with the FSU football teams of the past, and that barring injuries we actually beat the teams we’re supposed to beat.

Don't worry, I'm just hairy-assing you.

by Gunner92 on Feb 22, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If our offensive line struggles

with these two 1-AA teams, I will pull out what little hair I have left.

by MRMAGOO on Feb 22, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

My brother played football at Savannah St in the late 80's

The band was good then but haven’t really kept up with the program since. I did go by the school last year while at St Pattys day festivities. Well I think I did. My alcohol consumption my beg to differ.

by NOLEisticscience on Feb 22, 2012 12:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I thought FAMU ditched them for Oklahoma

Doesn’t GT need to pick up a game before the ACC Schedule comes out?

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by Zach_Nole on Feb 22, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Wished for SSU to be the week before UF…but maybe they got the word that Duke was before UF, with a favorable ACC schedule…maybe irratating those at the ACC offices by altering their planned schedule would have made them punish us by a stretch of @Miami, @VT, @NCSU, and Clemson…one could only dream, I guess

by lovemynoles09 on Feb 22, 2012 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

I'm fine with it

We’re still playing 10 BCS teams in the regular schedule.

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by GrassyNole on Feb 22, 2012 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

Did FSU contact Boise State?

Not that I wanted to play them. I just want to shut their fans up about teams not willing to play them. And shut up this guy at work.

What is the definition of safe sex down in Gainesville?

Placing signs on the animals that kick.

by ValdostaNole on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

That was the first call

there is a better chance of getting ND or Bama to do a 1 off for free at the last minute then there is to get Boise St to play a one off for a million.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Savannah State 1-10 for the 2011 season and 1-7 in their weak Conference

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by Abiaka on Feb 22, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

JV day at Doak!

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by ricobert1 on Feb 22, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Its gonna be a Black Out!!!

At least I have Chicken!

-Leeroy Jenkins

by NoleCzar on Feb 22, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL....

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by Sobering on Feb 22, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Incredible observation.

Rec’d.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

well I didn’t know if it was just a poorly timed call for the black-out unis…

i hope so.

by jasonole59 on Feb 22, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta think that nobody is THAT insensitive

Not even myself nor DKN

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

gotta keep up with the times

it’s all about being Linsensitive!

by StM on Feb 22, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunate that it is an FCS

Would have preferred somebody from the MAC but whatev. No team with any salt was going to be brave/dumb/financially desperate enought to come to Doak with no return game.
Bud, any idea when the full schedule will be released? This week?

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by Marmaduke1 on Feb 22, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

September schedule

9/1- Murray St
9/8 – Savannah St.
9/15 – Wake or Duke (only teams with open dates here)
9/22 – Clemson, BC, @Miami (only teams with open dates here)
9/29 – @USF

I’m hoping for Miami, so we can get an away game of our slate early.

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

Give us Clemson at home on 9/22

4 home to start the season. 2 practices and an ACC team that gets a little tougher practice and we should be healthy and cohesive by then. Knock them the F out early

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by caine115 on Feb 22, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

WVU

Are we still scheduled to play WV in 2013. I heard that they are working on UCF in Jax in 2013?

by rspknole1 on Feb 22, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

tweet from Ira Schoffel

saying that spetman says WVU is still on schedule for 2013.

he does add a “we’ll see” at the end.

by jasonole59 on Feb 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

why not? But as I type this I see that we are also scheduled to play Nevada, with no duke on the current schedule so that’s not a single cupcake team.

Still, I love it.

by matticoti on Feb 22, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Spetman said it's still on for 2013

I doubt that happens but really, unless we like playing the worst of the worst, that needs to happen quickly, seems to me or we are looking at the same situation for next year, as well.

It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden

by Sobering on Feb 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

This doesn't make sense to me.

Why would WV get to profit from this but not FSU?

by FSUActuary on Feb 22, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You'll have to ask him

Maybe it’s all part of the legal “posturing?”

After a few years in this business, I don’t think we’re suing WV though. I think that would be a mistake for a variety of reasons.

It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden

by Sobering on Feb 22, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard that Orange County Community College has an open date for that week in 2013

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by FCANOLE on Feb 22, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by FCANOLE on Feb 22, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Currently we are

But there is no chance we will play at WVU. My guess, you see FSU file a suit against WVU and it quickly gets dropped in exchange for FSU not paying any penalty to opt out of the game.

No chance we ever agree to play UCF

by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 22, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Both games were dropped.

Read the statement guys.

Go tell it to Moses.

by FLpanhandler on Feb 22, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Spetman

With our great Athletic Director, I wouldn’t be surprised at anything he might negotiate. The rumor on wvu pulling out has been around awhile and apparently they took no action, until it was definite. IMO, good negotiating you cancel one game the other is automatically cancelled. If that is not the case, why don’t we schedule a bunck of BCS games, on a home and home and then then buyout the away game for 500,000?

by rspknole1 on Feb 22, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is hoping

Spetman silently schedules another game and cancels on WV at the last minute forcing them to play Savannah State next year. ….. bitter

by seminolecpa on Feb 22, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Logic dictates that the original contract calls for a home and away series, and

by WVU cancelling the game at Doak, they effectively voided the contract and FSU should not owe them a game in 2013.

One thought that has crossed my mind is that maybe RS is trying to get WVU to buyout the 2013 game also. WVU probably does not want this game either and maybe he his hoping to use this as leverage to get more $$$. But maybe I am giving RS too much credit and just maybe he is considering keeping the game.

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by FrankDNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

the away game was a condition for the home game

we agreed to go there because they agreed to come here, and both were bargained-for conditions of having the contract. breaking one part of the contract invalidates the entire thing because the agreed upon conditions have changed

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Can that actually be done?

Buying out both games of a series?

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know, I was just thinking our loud, which is usually a mistake.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Feb 22, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont agree with this
WVU probably does not want this game either

FSU means a ton of money for them. As far as I know, they dont think they are annual NC contenders. This game would mean huge bucks for them.

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by Miaminole on Feb 22, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

That's fair, and I'm sure they would like it even more without having the Tally game.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Feb 22, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

the USF game

can someone clarify this for me. I’ve read two conflicting reports on where the game will be played. One says it will be at their home site in Tampa and another that it was going to be at a neutral site (Citrus Bowl) in Orlando. Does anyone know with certainty where it’ll be at?

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by SaintChaos on Feb 22, 2012 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

how much do you think season tickets will be for USF?

considering getting them instead of the resale, jacked up prices for the one game.

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't be that much

It’ll be even less when they have to cut their football program out entirely. Poor school is getting killed w/ budget cuts.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

sadly, if their football program cannot turn a large profit, there is no reason to have one

football exists to fund every other school sport. if it loses money, it has no longer filled the need it should fill.

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Is USF really in danger of having their football program cut?

by SteadfastNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

But they are in danger having to cut a ridiculous amount of money from their budget.

When you start messing with people’s careers, research, pensions…football becomes a bit less important (unless you’re an Alabama fan)

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

And I think they do a groupon

and I am not joking.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

dude, pass that along when it comes out

i will probably be buying at least 10, so that would just multiply the savings

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

as someone who has gone to a USF game, this is true

they have NO fans, and we will likely be at least half the crowd

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably. Same is true when we play scUM.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
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by FrankDNole on Feb 22, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Tampahassee

Where the first sell out game in their history will be 60 to 65 percent FSU fans.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

you think this may have a role in taking over Tampa/St. Pete from UF?

a strong showing at that game may help the FSU fans come out of the woodwork and show other potential fans they dont have to be Gators…

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that a Newt Gingrich slam?

Poor head coaches should be the custodians at their schools…

Go tell it to Moses.

by FLpanhandler on Feb 22, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

2 questions

1.) Is it “funky”?
2.) I feel better about it, considering we mastered our offense against it in the ULM game.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

what is this strange numbering format?

makes no sense…

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by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Feb 22, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I've made well known my objections to A2D

Between that and the phrase that shall remain nameless, I play by my own rules…and have been reminded many times.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s also important to note that FSU had to contact those big schools to show that it made an effort to mitigate its damages should it elect to sue West Virginia for additional damages (hint, hint). Spetman estimated that FSU could lose as much as $2.5M

Not if the rumoured $500K buy-out in the contract are “iquidated damages” for cancellation, and schools would be foolish not to write their contracts that way. That would mean the $500K is all we’re getting for this breach of contract— no consequential, special, incidental damages including lost profits. And forget tort damages— breach of contract is not concerned with mens rea, unless there was actual and malicious intent to harm FSU in ways beyond the breach of contract. But breach for econmic reasons is a classic and well accepted defense to any such “malice”. In other words, we’re financially hosed, because that’s probably the exact risk we bargained for when we put $500K liquidated damges in the contract.

2012 is the Year of No Excuses.

by PeachTreeNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

I assume they would not be floating the noise about suing if it were that simple. Or maybe they are and are just angry.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see the contract.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Spetman and FSU lawyers first learned the full impact of a liquidiated damages clause when they filed suit and WVu’s counsel filed the obligatory motion to dismiss on the law. I just happened to have had occassion recently to research the issue thoroughly, recite copious caselaw, and disabuse a NY law firm of the notion they could sue my company for damages beyond the stipulated amount when the company intentionally breached for a good economic reason— that product line was shut down.

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by PeachTreeNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

If you have a memo on efficient breach, I'd like a copy.

I was explaining it to a couple of guys who graduated from UF and UM law schools about a year ago and they looked at me as if I was telling them the sky was green with pink polka dots. My fear is that their classmates might be the judges listening to the argument.

by NoleLaw on Feb 22, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha! I'd put me FSU law education up against any other school's in the state

(and did when I was on moot court and later litigating). Shoot me an email address and I’ll see if i can dig it up.

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by PeachTreeNole on Feb 23, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Seems like the phrase "liquidated damages"

would need to be pretty clearly defined and/or universally agreed upon. I’d be interested to know if this is indeed the case.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe from my limited contract law education that “liquidated damages” is univerally applied as he described. Cancel the contract and you have to pay them, but only them.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

So if additional losses were identified as a result of the breach

Could they fall outside the $500,000, allowing FSU to collect more money, especially in regard to the timing of the breach?

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

it is always possible to sue for more

it depends on the quality of each side’s lawyers and how good your actuary is

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Courts don’t like to intervene when the contract is clear, unless there is fraud or the contract is very unfair. Even then, some states will not help you out.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

while true

if you can avoid a Cardozo-type (who will read ANYTHING as a contract and say good day), you can make the argument that the money lost is above and beyond the $500K (and that penalties are not okay, so it would have to be interpreted as a loss in revenue, etc…). it is definitely doable.

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Even still

you cant have liquidated damages of a billion dollars. There has to be some correlation between actual projected numbers.

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by Miaminole on Feb 22, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

liquidated damages that are too high start to look punitive, and you cant have punitive damages in a contract

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This all depends on how the contract is drawn up too.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I'm mainly getting it.

$500,000 just doesn’t seem like a lot of money to me…after figuring in the fact that we have to pay for a replacement, TV revenue, etc.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It only makes sense if the 500k is for cancelling both games, I think.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

put of the consideration for agreeing to the game would have been limiting the risk for breach.

Happens all the time in contract negations. But I haven’t seen this particular contract.

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by PeachTreeNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

"part"

dadgum spellchecker…

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by PeachTreeNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I assume all the noise about lawsuits and still playing at WVU is aimed at:

A) hoping WVU cancels next years game before we do, or agrees to let us cancel without damages

D) gives us the opportunity to screw them back by canceling late next year

A.2) scares them into burying their life savings of moonshine and coal… just for the f of it

by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Feb 22, 2012 5:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm missing something here....

The reasoning with a 9 game conference schedule in 2013 and how it limits things is what puzzles me.
What is wrong with those 9 games, the UF game,,, that equals 10. Thus leaving 2 to schedule.
Is Jimbo and others hinting that playing one other Div 1 team in 2013 is too many?
If so I disagree. It doesn’t have to be Oklahoma but it can be mid levle Div 1 (even with a home and home), that leaves 1 cupcake.
I hope FSU isn’t thinking that with 9 conf games we have to accept 2 cupcakes per season.
So am I missing something? Why couldnt a mid level (or even poor Div 1 team) be scheduled for a home and home in 2012/2013?

BTW – I hate the addition of Savannah State. We wont get to see many backups in this game…. the first string will play well into the 3rd qtr I’ll bet (hope Im wrong)

What will esp. suck is if FSU cant place place Duke before the UF game and instead has a decent ACC team.

by pikefan on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Why would first string play well into the 3rd Q against savannah state?

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that’s dumb.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Was that offense and defense?

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You’d hope with more experience on both sides of the ball and at HC, we wouldn’t encounter this anymore.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Boo, thats what spring ball is for. Unless it is a passing scrimmage. Then I’m cool with it.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

FSU has come out and said they do not want less than 7 home games a year. Well what happens if the ACC schedule 5 away games the first year that we play @ UF (or vice versa)? The logical thing to do would be to have 4 conference road games the years we play @ UF which means we would have 7 home and 5 away every year, but what if they don’t and we play 8 home games every other year and 6 road games every other?

by bobbysura on Feb 22, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Mentioned this above

If they do that (which isn’t an unbelievable idea, considering we’re talking about the ACC), we would have 5 home games in 2013 with UWV on the schedule.

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m assuming the WV game gets dropped regardless. In terms of the personal opinions of “smart scheduling”, what should FSU fans want? 7 home and 5 away every year (safe) or alternating between 8 and 4 and 6 and 6 (risk-reward)?

by bobbysura on Feb 22, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Then FSU should leave the ACC. There’s no way that happens. FSU will play its five aways when UF is in Tally.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Good to hear. 8 home games sounds pretty cool every other year. 6 away games every other year does not.

by bobbysura on Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Woah

This is like a twilight zone post. I don’t recall ever seeing one like it!

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not so crazy

If you’ve got younger kids, they don’t care if its West Virginia or Savannah State – they just want to see the Seminoles win and win big. For a family of four who may only go to 2 or 3 games in a season – a cheaper game, better seats and a guaranteed win can be attractive.

by RiverCityNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see that

I guess I’m so used to see the “I HATE THIS I’M NOT GOING” crowd.

My first FSU games against Georgia Southern and we won like 63-7

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Last year it was Charleston Southern. The 8 yr old and the 5 yr old sat through the game no problem. The 18-mo old, not so much. The empty seats around us allowed him to roam a bit if you catch my drift.

BTW…if you were sitting in the end zone next to the band and got hit in the head by a flying Binky…I apologize.

by gonoles74 on Feb 22, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

This may be the best post of the thread. Now, this, my friends, is a great argument for SSU. No sarcasm.

by SolidNole on Feb 23, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Credit to Spetman

for seeing the possibility of the ACC sticking us with 11 straight games and putting this game at Sept. 8.

Ideally it would go before UF, but given our relationship with the ACC it’s better safe than sorry. Who knows what kind of mood they are going to be in after our 2012 North Carolina State Championship in basketball. =)

by 38Noles on Feb 22, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

Go play NCAA on your PS3/360. Schedule all the Top 10 teams you can

Enjoy this activity during the Spring and Summer. Then enjoy watching FSU make it to a BCS game next season…in the real world.

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by Chief03 on Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

I still don't understand January > September?

Great, VT made a BCS bowl. Playing Oklahoma in Tallahassee last year was more exciting and had more at stake than playing Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl last year…and it’s still possible to play West Virginia in September and Alabama in January.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s still possible to play West Virginia in September and Alabama in January.

Yes possible, just dramatically less.

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by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

still, aren’t the stakes at atmosphere better for a meaningful game (such as our game with OU last year) than Virginia Tech’s mid-week Sugar Bowl against Michigan?

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I wanna win championships

Not get beat and take moral victories in the beat down losses.

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by Chief03 on Feb 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

ACC Titles?

Then maybe the fallout from OU caused runied that, but playing Savannah State in their place last year doesn’t put that team in the BCSCG.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't know that.

Completely anecdotal with no basis. Unless you have a time machine? Do you? No? Ok. Well then it’s ridiculous.

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by Chief03 on Feb 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re right — if we played Savannah State last year, we roll to the national title.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

chicken/egg

I get that the BCS doesn’t care what your SOS is — from my perspective, if we’re good enough to win a title, we’ll win it, regardless of who we’re playing — and if the ride there can be a bit more exhiliarating, I’m all for that.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

BCS doesn't care about your SOS. Exactly.

Spin it how you want, that’s the point.

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by Chief03 on Feb 22, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Does your life magically change when we play a marquee regular season game, Mr. Straw Man?

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

No it doesn’t, and I enjoy them.

I figure we can A) play a marquee regular season game and make the title game; B) play a marquee regular season game and not make the title game; C) not play a marquee regular season game and make the title game, or D) not play a marquee regular season game and not make the title game. I’m a greedy SOB, give me option A please.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

We still have 10 BCS level teams on our schedule though. As stated are playing @VT, @UM, CU, UF, @USF, possible VT in the ACC championship game, then hopefully a sweet BCS matchup (maybe even for a national championship)!

Its not like we just scheduled a bunch of momos all season.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, I’m greedy. I want a sweet matchup in September AND a sweet matchup in January. And if it isn’t a national title game, I’d much rather have the sweet matchup in September when it still matters.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I listed some sweet matchups above.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I like you

At least you admit you’re greedy. I respect that.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I've Said

We all want the same thing (to win titles), I just want a more adventuresome path to get there — the risk of defeat makes victory that much sweeter!

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

As long as you realize that the latter precludes the former, fine.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Feb 22, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it is a line from a movie about a guy who does things the hard way and always loses…

Greatness courts failure.

by PalmAireNole on Feb 23, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

And the winner is..

RollNole5.. congrats, sir.

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by FTSNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

We all want to get to the same place — some of you want to get there in a servicable, but not finely tuned ride and hope we don’t hit any potholes that cause a blowout or wreck the suspension — I want to have a tank and not have to worry about the potential potholes.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

why have a tank if you’re not going to run stuff over? To put it crudely, I can get with the super hot chick and risk catching something or getting her pregnant, or I can take matters into my own hands - end game is gonna be the same, but I’m taking the hot chick. :)

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

New rule, from here on I only respond to arguments that make sense

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by AMFKNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

actually enjoying the season doesn’t make sense? No, I don’t enjoy going to non-competitive sporting events; if I did, I’d go see the Harlem Globetrotters when they’re in town; or go to my NFL team’s pre-season games. The risk of losing is what makes winning so sweet.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

More responding to your hot chick/pregnancy/own hand thing

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by AMFKNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

didn’t mean to offend. Seriously, I apologize if I did.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was more confuse than offend.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice knwoing you.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

So LSU wasn’t good enough to win the title this year?

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

They were, and they got the opportunity — and they still managed to play (and beat) Oregon and West Virginia away from home despite playing in the best division in the sport.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

from my perspective, if we’re good enough to win a title, we’ll win it, regardless of who we’re playing

This conflicts with your above statement. Also, I know a lot of LSU fans, and they are pissed about the season and could give a rats ass about beating Oregon and WVU.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

They also played Northwestern State and Western Kentucky OOC at home, with over 92,000 at each game.

by WBisaNOLE on Feb 22, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That is where you are wrong.

Alabama and LSU were each championship caliber teams last season. In most cases Alabama’s loss toLSU would cost them a shot at a title, and LSU’s loss to Bama did cost them the title. Point is, there is rarely a team that is untouchable and scheduling stupidly and playing good teams you don’t even have to play is beyond selfish and insanity.

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by FTSNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, I’d rather beat a fringe top-20 that will give us some competition than step on an ant. We both/all want to win titles, some of us just enjoy the challenge and thrill of the journey.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think that mindset is fair to the players?

When the system they’re STUCK WITH gives them virtually no concrete reward for doing so?

Why should our players be expected to endure a tougher challenge than Va Tech, USC, Texas, Boise St, etc?

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, when I played sports, I liked to play against somebody that could beat me, I didn’t want to play against the JV squad…
You don’t think the players enjoy victory more when there’s potential for the loss?

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Knowing that similar teams get

the luxury of an easier path?

No. I think they wish that each title contender would be forced to schedule similarly difficult OOC slates, but that’s not the world we live in.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

well....

Knowing most athletes to be the most competitive types of people, it would seem that players would enjoying playing top talent. Hence the whole SEC recruiting edge. top talent like to play top talent

by cerebralstatic on Feb 22, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

aren’t we one of the team’s with an easier path? We played 1 ranked conference opponent last season.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Did you forget we're talking in the context of scheduling much harder teams?

You think the players think it’s fair that FSU is facing teams like USF, WVU while VT is facing their cupcakes?

What happens if we have some bad luck and drop a game? Don’t you think they would like to have another win under their belts to compete with the teams that scheduled in a smart fashion?

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Virginia Tech and their 0 national titles and 1 BCS bowl win isn’t a program with which I’m looking to be compared. Going to a BCS bowl is their ceiling, and they are happy to reach that ceiling. Our is, I hope, much higher — as well as our expectations of what our team can do.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

VT’s ceiling has been achieved by maximizing their schedule, it would be foolish not do the same?

Greatness courts failure.

by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

we’ll never see eye to eye — we want the same thing, we just want to get there differently.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you read the MattD article at all?

Not trying to be a dick, but he lays it out pretty well.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The journey is already significant

Playing WVU is excessive. That has always been the contention.

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by AMFKNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Our schedule features 0 teams that finished in the top 15 last year — 2 in the top 25.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

What does last year's schedule

have to do with this year?

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

nothing — I would venture our schedule this year features 2 teams that will be ranked — Florida might sneak in as a 3rd. I would hardly call 2 ranked opponents “significant”

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Assumes best team in country always wins the title

I’m not entirely sure that’s true.

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by AMFKNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

It’s definitely not always true — hell, the games themselves don’t necessarily tell us who the best team is.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe? Charlie Ward got injured against the worst team on our schedule in our first national title season…

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe the chances of injury are lower

.If you don’t agree fine…is there lack of focus for Clemson if we played Savannah state?

Greatness courts failure.

by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

…or Wake or Virginia…

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're worried about "beat down losses"

Then don’t even bother thinking about championships

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

In Chip Games?

It’d be cool to make INTO one.

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by Chief03 on Feb 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Oklahoma ruined our season. If OU was replaced with some scrub I believe our season is different. The point is what does it take to get to the BCSCG, 13-14 wins, and the chances of achieving those numbers are increased with smart scheduling.

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by FTSNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It takes a championship caliber team to get to the BCSCG. We were not a championship caliber team last year — sure, we could have “Virginia Tech’d” our way to New Orleans; but I’d take the atmosphere over that Saturday night in Doak over a meaningless BCS game. To me, and I’m sure there are others, the destination isn’t the end-all, I enjoy the journey as well.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe for you

Not for others. Sorry if this bothers you.

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You like watching FSU games?

I though part of your argument was whining about watching FSU demolish an FCS team.

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by FTSNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

um... right

I’d rather see us play a decent opponent than an FCS team.

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

how so?

I understand your side of the argument. You want whatever gives FSU the best chance at making a BCS bowl and winning a title. Scheduling easier improves our chances at both.

I think it’s funny that you don’t see any of the potential flaws in the argument though.

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Biggest issue people have with your side of the argument is that the potential flaws in scheduling harder are > than the potential flaws in the cupcake theory.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Oregon got there in 2010 beating one ranked team (Stanford)

so it’s quite possible.

Honestly, this is such a pointless argument. I’d like to start having 11-12 win seasons again and then address this if it turns out to be an issue. Can’t even win the ACC right now.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

When I think Oklahoma...

…I think I would love to see our ’Noles get revenge someday for the double-earhole shot on Kenny Shaw.

by mgl_8 on Feb 22, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think that's silly

We knock players out and it’s all, “Great hit!” One of ours takes a shot and suddenly we’re on the warpath.

There’s no evidence it was a dirty hit. Both OU players made initial contact with Shaw’s shoulder pads. The rest was just bad luck all around.

by Invictus13 on Feb 22, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Not a dirty hit just thought the ball should have been at the goal line.

Greatness courts failure.

by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

OU game didnt have a zillion dollar payout like a BCS game does.

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by JaxNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

which gets split amongst the conference members anyway, no?

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s divied up after expenses. So Virginia Tech’s payout would’ve been greater than the rest of the conference, but once they net out their expenses, they get the same thing Duke got.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Still

Is a piece of pie still better than no pie at all?

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like we should forfeit

I mean, we’re getting the same piece whether we play in the game or not — why make it harder than it needs to be?

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Love the big crystal ones — I thought we were talking about playing a marquee regular season game vs a bcs (non-cg) game. I’m sure we have an Emerald Nuts bowl trophy from ‘06, but I’d rather we beat Florida…

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The NC game IS a BCS game

Well if we keep scheduling teams like WVU, USF, and UF in the same year we have VT, then you can be we’ll probably be seeing more emerald nuts trophies.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

If 7-6 UF and 5-7 USF are too much for us, we probably deserve Emerld Nuts…

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know — I just know they’re recent history, and the types of teams they’re projected to be this year, and neither should be threats to legitimate national title contenders.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

But Duke didn’t get the recognition and recruiting advantage and prestige the team who played in the game did.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Some would say that big marquee games that draw the Gameday crowd and national television are big for recongition and recrutiing advantages…I say play as many of those as you can.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

And more Gameday appearances.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, and GameDay isn’t going to come watch us beat a high school by 70 points. When was the last time GameDay was in town for an ACC matchup?

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously they aren’t coming for a cupcake game, no one would say that, but a Top 10 FSU versus top 205 CU for the division would get a gameday, so would a game against VT. UF game would too. Gameday relies too much on all the matchups of the week and how the season goes to know for sure.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ve been in the ACC 20 years and Gameday has never been to Doak for an ACC game…NEVER. In all fairness, they were scheduled to be here for the Georgia Tech game on 9/15/11. The ACC doesn’t offer us consistent chances to be featured.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

9/15/01 not 9/15/11

to correct above GT gameday reference.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Gameday has more to do with what's available in a week after the first week or two

Who thought SMU-Houston, Arizona State-Oregon or Wisconsin-Michigan State would be host sites last year before they occurred.

The last ACC matchup was FSU-Boston College two years ago because of the BC linebacker coming back from cancer.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Did they come for the FSU-BC game when we beat Matt Ryan when they were #2?

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

That game was in Boston.

by Invictus13 on Feb 22, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya I was at the game.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Thursday night would preclude it from gameday though, silly me.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody cares.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I WAS THERE! I WON US THE GAME.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I also took a picture of Dekoda Watson with my camera phone after the game. I thought you’d like to know.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they were out west that week. We have had two trips to Boston where GameDay was there. GameDay was in Tallahassee when we played BC in ’08…at FAMU.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

They were in Boston in 09 for our game there.

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by DKfromVA on Feb 22, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, exposure is good — so why not get as much as you can? Shocking, I know, but you can play good teams during the season AND make a BCS bowl game. You ask why I only want to play good teams in September, I ask why do you only want to play good teams in January, why not both?

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

OU home game

I don’t know if anyone calculated the total value of the game. But usually the business community someone calculates how much it was worth to Leon county and Tallahassee.

Factors, you have to include, game day by ESPN, their Trucks, crew, etc were probably there for 4 days, the fans that came early to be there, the season ticket sales due to Ok being in the package, the publicity generated by the adverising of having game day in Talla, Sold out staduim and all of that money gets a multiplier of at least 3 times that it spreads throughout the community. Motel Rooms, Restaurants, Golf course, etc expenses, money for extra help, and on and on.

by rspknole1 on Feb 22, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s an outlier, as shown in the linked article.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Goal is to get FSU back into the BCS picture.

Let’s get there first and then worry about scheduling the Oregon Ducks-type games when people can actually say FSU is back.

by gonoles74 on Feb 22, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

LSU

had the best regular season I’ve ever seen. If you’re counting on FSU to play like that, you’re going to be very disappointed during the season.

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by FTSNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

they won because they were that good, and were tested during their conference season. You act like if they’d have played Clemson instead of directional U their season would’ve been ruined.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

But they could well have been. Games affect other games in terms of injuries, preparation, etc. If you can’t see the destructive effect that OU had on FSU’s season last year, I don’t know what to tell you.

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by DKfromVA on Feb 22, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You clearly place more emphasis on an ACC championship than I do. If a 3 loss OU team destroyed our season, it wasn’t going to be championship worthy — that’s what I’m saying. And again, we don’t play in bubble wrap against lesser opponents, our first Heisman winner got knocked out by the worst team on our schedule — but we had the talent and depth to overcome and win a national title…

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Lost 3 games because injuries destroyed OU's season

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Certainly. I think conference championships are extremely important. In an age of this much parity, a program isn’t going to run off a bunch of consecutive national titles. A perennial conference champ is a great program. Though there’d still be issues heading to Clemson if OU was replaced with a cupcake last season, I think the chances of winning in Death Valley increase markedly. Healthy EJ, more preparation, etc.

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by DKfromVA on Feb 22, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

along those lines, look back at the 2008 season; do you not think a step up from WCU and UTC would’ve been helpful as we entered conference play against Wake Forest? Perhaps a tougher game or two gets us better tested for that important conference game…

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don’t. I think that’s overplayed.

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by DKfromVA on Feb 22, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s a lot of parody in VTs schedule

by SteadfastNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I see "parody" all over the place

Drives me crazy

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Its on the front page now.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, that is the correct usage of parody - meaning joke

parity, meaning equality (roughly), is what our esteemed CornNole is referring to

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

we are not LSU. Now look at what you made me did, use the lords name in vain on ASH WEDNESDAY!!!! AHHHHH!

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by FSU5410 on Feb 22, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Happy now?

This should make everyone who wanted a cupcake replacement for WVU very happy. This isn’t even a cupcake. Its a twinkie!!. They could have scheduled Lincoln HS and gotten better competition. I know, I know, SOS doesn’t matter and WVU left them with few choices. Agreed. But this is pathetic. Unfortunately the ACC is already perceived to be a cupcake conference in football. “SOS doesn’t matter or not” argument, this will not help FSU get consideration for a NCG. They better beat the heck out of everyone else on the schedule to even get a sniff of that.

by 54Mercury on Feb 22, 2012 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

Clueless. Not trying to be rude, but just wildly misinformed.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe people are upset about this.

How F’n dumb can you be?

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by Chief03 on Feb 22, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

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by NYC_Nole on Feb 22, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

reasonable people can be upset at this while

acknowledging its for the best of the program. How blind can you be?

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by Miaminole on Feb 22, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Not trying to be rude either, but all I can say is . . .

wait and see. I don’t think you are nearly as insightful in these matters as you seem to think you are.

by 54Mercury on Feb 22, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yikes.

Just yikes.

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by Chief03 on Feb 22, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Lumping in FSU with the ACC is foolhardy.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

SEC East Champs?

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You know it's true

We even tried to challenge UGA to a scrimmage game in late Nov, but Richt chickened out.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but that stuff happens all the time. So I guess in 1996, we were ACC Champs as well?

I’ll pass.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

But we beat you in the regular season in 1996?

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course, when you win the National Championship, aren’t you automatically champs of everything? You know, national?

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

In that case Alabama has some SEC title rings to collect.

by 38Noles on Feb 22, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously you wouldn’t be champs of Tallahassee that year….

Only undefeated champs are champs of everything. You know what that’s like….wait

by SteadfastNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, in 1911 we went 5-0-1. Did we win them all? No. But did we lose any games? No.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

aww yesh you did, such a pwetty widdle undefeated season.

by SteadfastNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha. Yeah…It was a brutal schedule too.

The Citadel in Gainesville W 15–3
South Carolina in Columbia T 6–6
Clemson in Clemson W 9–5
Columbia College in Gainesville W 9–0
Stetson in Deland W 27–0
Charleston in Jacksonville W 21–0

Outscored the opponents 87-14!

In all seriousness though, you’d be hard pressed to get me to count anything in sports that happened Pre-WWII, aside from baseball.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea I’m like that, too. Although with college football, I keep a dynamic 30 year window. If it didn’t happen in the last 30 years, it doesn’t really mean a whole lot to me.

Baseball, I don’t count anything that happens after about 2000.

by SteadfastNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, 30 years is a quality measuring stick.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m all for USA pride, but their is a world and universe out there. So, no National Champs are not champs of everything.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

And yes that is a deflection of your question.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow!! That's a hilarious and sadly out-of-touch comment!

Reality check here. FSU is one of the marguee teams of the ACC. Hello. FSU is not an independent anymore. We are certainly not in the SEC, even though many seemed to want that when all of the conference realignment hysteria was taking place a few months ago. You can’t very well disassociate from the conference in which you play all of your games except a couple OOC.

by 54Mercury on Feb 22, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Except that we did exactly that until about 2002.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think what he's saying is that name recognition counts as much as SOS, if not more.

Oklahoma State vs. Alabama: Tie goes to Alabama based on better loss vs. OSU having tougher schedule, and being Alabama with dozens of conference titles, 10? National titles compared to Okie State’s first conference title ever last season.

A 12-1 Wake Forest will have a tougher time winning a “tie” compared to a 12-1 FSU.
It’s why Michigan State was passed over for BCS games two straight years in the Big Ten by Ohio State and Michigan. That sort of thing.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

An undefeated FSU with 2 cupcakes is definitely playing for a ’chip.

by FSUActuary on Feb 22, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

But is the implication that FSU would not be undefeated, were it not for the 2 cupcakes?

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

This

If it was Miss St and not Bama last year at 11-1 there would have been no rematch. College football is about brands. FSU is a huge brand in the sport. Basically the only teams that a clear cut above us as a Brand are ND, USC, Texas, Bama, Michigan. We are at the tOSU, Penn St, UF, LSU level.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.

Why is Michigan above OSU?

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Ratings and history

Do not mistake revenue for brand value. Michigan leaves so much cash on the field that this would be a top 10 most profitable program. Michigans ratings are disgustingly high and they do this without prime time games. The largest alumni base in the country. One of the richest booster bases in the country. They are one of the 3 clear cut biggest brand programs along with Texas and ND that have it all.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

How does cash left on the table effect the perception of BCS standings?

I just can’t see how cash left on the table is a deciding factor when determining who gets in and who gets left out. Furthermore, I don’t give the people who decide such thing enough credit to realize this fact.

If we are discussing program potential, then I can see your point, but I cannot agree that Michigan gets priority over a team like Ohio State or UF in a “who’s getting in” scenario.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO

All things being equal, interms record, UM gets the nod over OSU. Just because OSU has had more recent success does not mean they are a better draw.

Greatness courts failure.

by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

This is what I am trying to get at

Michigan is going to get in because of its history and its ablity to fill seats and get people to watch. They do this like few other schools in the country. They are in the speical place because of they win like almost no one else in history. They get huge ratings. They fill big stadiums. They have the largest living almuni base. They are so big they gave ND their indenity as the independent school.

In a specific year sure Michigan might get passed over for what ever reason. But over the course of seasons Michigan is going to win out over UF and tOSU.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll believe it when I see it.

I just don’t think any of the criteria you laid out has significant bearing college football.

In regards to your last paragraph, you should research the 2006 season, then think about what happened this year.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Where do you get that they have the largest living alumni base?

I find that very hard to believe. I’ve seen it referred to as ONE of the largest, but there are several other schools that should easily be able to rival them. The best source I found on a quick search was wiki.answers, and… well.

Otherwise, I’ve seen numbers for Michigan from 450k to “more than 500k” – and OSU claims over 525k.

by Invictus13 on Feb 22, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Michigan will get BCS bids over pretty much anyone

In a head to head contest over a title game bid, I’m not so sure.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

"Pretty Much", yes

Against that Tier 1 (Texas, Notre Dame, USC) , it’s questionable, and I just don’t see Michigan as being a bigger brand than UF

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I could see Florida in the Sugar Bowl over Michigan for an at-large

because of SEC history. Fiesta/Orange and Cotton (if it gets a bump up) is probably Michigan. Rose obviously isn’t a debate.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm talking about the big one

BCS national championship. I just do not think all things being equal, that Michigan is a shoe in above UF…especially not to the point where they are considered in 2 different “tiers”

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd agree with that.

It’d come down to the strengths of SEC/Big Ten, OSU vs. FSU (late season rival), opponent in conference title game, etc.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Not the Orange.

Orange and Sugar would be UF.

Fiesta and Rose would be Michigan.

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

UF might seem larger due to its relevance to FSU

but, michigan is bigger throughout the country, Michigan travels like no other school.

Greatness courts failure.

by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Because EFF osu, thats why

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by Miaminole on Feb 22, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

and rec

Greatness courts failure.

by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

On this issue.

I am only speaking of this issue where he has made some assertions that defy logic. No argument on the value of TN and Bud’s service to the fans in this regard. Its a great site.

I am also not suggesting that every OOC game be against top-tier division 1 teams. That is not the case. But anyone who is paying attention knows that the conference we are playing in and are a part of is not considered strong in football. FSU was the last conference member to play for a national title and that’s been over 10 years ago. As you know, things have changed since then and like it or not, we are part of the ACC for the forseeable future.

by 54Mercury on Feb 22, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re acting like the ACC is the MAC or Mountain West.

Is the ACC the SEC? No. Is someone left out if there are 3 or more undefeated teams? Yes. Could it be an ACC Team? Yes. More specifically would it be FSU? Rarely.

It’s your assertion that defies logic. If FSU is the only undefeated team or one of two the Noles are in. Whether they beat Savannah State or Oklahoma, they’re in. The Noles are nationally recognizable, the media / voters are hungry for a good FSU team and TV loves us. There are very few scenarios where FSU takes care of business and does not make it to the title game with a 2 cupcake OOC schedule + Florida.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You could have found people that ranked the ACC below the old Mountain West. Not saying they’re correct, but they exist.

The ACC’s reputation among fans of other leagues is truly in the crapper.

by 38Noles on Feb 22, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You could have found people that ranked the ACC below the old Mountain West.

You can find people that believe wearing copper pots on their heads protects them from Bill Gates, that doesn’t make it true.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

Don’t think Gates can get trough copper.

by TuckNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He’s got trough copper money. His pigs eat out of the finest copper.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

and that is why they are sick all the time

you should be sure to ask your local butcher if your pork is Gates-free, just in case

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

But my butcher is a member of the freemasons and Illuminati :/

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

then you should ask him about that buried national treasure in DC

make sure the paper is old looking, or the whole thing may be a hoax by corporate america to scam you out of your money. also, he may try to sell you cancer drugs over your cell phone, which would be really bad.

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you’d enjoy it.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because because the ACC is an AQC . . .

and gets a BCS game for its champion, doesn’t mean it will be the NCG. We will pretty much have to go undefeated, or every other contender will also have to have one loss. I agree with much of what you say, but it has been so long since we have been a contender, to assume that our popularity is so strong that we win any such tie-breaker because of who we are I don’t believe holds true anymore. We are going to have to prove we deserve it after having underprerformed our potential for so many years.

by 54Mercury on Feb 22, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

In the case of 3 undefeated teams, I understand your worry. That’s a rare case though. If you’re talking about 1 loss teams and a tie breaker it’s nothing new. There are multiple 1 loss teams every year that did not end up controlling their own destiny. I have no problem being a 1 loss, ACC Champion in the Orange Bowl every year if that’s how it ends up.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This is talk a year off VT getting an At large bid for a BCS

ACC may not get a great reo but writers still love FSU, Clemson, VT, and GT and they know FSU plays UM and UF.

FSU gets the nod over most in a tie. As mentioned WF won’t cause of the ACC, but doesn’t effect us

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by caine115 on Feb 22, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And that would be important if conference membership mattered

but it doesn’t really all that matters at the end of the day is Record and Brand.

The SEC run has been accomplished by their brands. Bama, LSU, UF and Auburn. Its not exactly been Miss St, Vandy, USCe leading the charge.

Its the same with every conference the precption of quility goes up when its brands are near or at the top. The Big 10 rep mirrors that of Michigan’s play. The Pac USC play. The Big 12 OU and Texas play. For the ACC FSU or miami at top it has no PR problems.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Arkansas was never getting to the NCG with 1 loss

Yeah sure you can play the if they beat LSU and Bama lost to Auburn they could have got in but in reality once they had 1 loss they where out. They end up beating LSU they are not getting a rematch with Bama for the title.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. We could play a lot of alternate scenarios.

None of which result in absolute certainty would-be outcomes…regardless of how factual you perceive your opinions to be.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 22, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course

there is no machine that will let us look in a alternate universe to see 100 percent what would happen. But I am over 99 percent sure based on the behavior of the voters over the history of the sport what the outcome would have been. Given how close to vote was between Okie St and Bama this year even with the nonsense that went on it would be unplasauable that Arky would have made up the ground needed.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad you're that sure.

And since we’ll never know, you can hold onto hypothetical, subjective facts.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 22, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I cannot buy that.

The SEC love is strong, and IMO Arkansas could’ve potentially drawn better ratings, due to the fact that the first game b/w LSU and Alabama was god awful.

Was Arkansas so different from Okie State? If the premise was “Who had the worst loss?”, does Auburn (from the mighty SEC) not trump Iowa State?

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I look at this way

If it was OU with the same exact resume instead of Okie St I have 0 doubt* they would be playing for the title against LSU instead of Bama.

The Arky loss to Bama was worse then the Cowboy lose to Iowa St anyways. Sure bama was the better team no question there but it was a 24 point loss compared to an overtime loss.

*given what is possible to know

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

That's quite a reach, IMO

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

He's right about the ACC perception I'm afraid

If we get into a situation where NC Game contention hinges on us stacking up against a team from any league other than the Big East, I think the ACC’s reputation sinks us.

That said, right now I just want to post a good record whether the pollsters acknowledge it or not. If we’re 13-0 and left out of the NC Game, I’ll be so happy with the season that I won’t care how it finishes.

by 38Noles on Feb 22, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The majority of those are 1 loss seasons though and those arguments have been made forever because there end up being a number of 1 loss teams with a claim. We benefited from the BCS system for many years as the 1 loss team. I agree that might not happen in the future.

Also, this all Championship Game talk. The goal should always be ACC Championship and Orangle Bowl. Title game is a bonus.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Good thing we don't play all our games against the ACC then huh?

It’s not so much the ACC…it’s the ACC plus UF

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

First time it could

First time there was actually 4 real at larges and two of the top half ACC brands in position.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Feb 22, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

So outliers (LSU) only work when you are trying to make a point. Ok. Got it.
I wish there was an ignore button.

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by Marmaduke1 on Feb 22, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

LSU is an outlier?

Bama hasn’t scheduled difficult OOC teams in the recent past? Auburn? Ok. Got it.

I wish there was an ignore button.

by tdchrisdavis on Feb 22, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

LSU is definitely an outlier. Playing WVU didn't get them into NC. Being undefeated in SEC play did.

Bama? They don’t play an OOC rival. They also don’t play an OOC rival that won 3 NC’s in the last 15 years. Their biggest out of conference games in the last several years were against mediocre FSU and PSU teams. And a Clemson game.

What I don’t get about the “find more OOC games” crowd is comparing our schedule to any others. How many schools can say they have a yearly OOC game with a school that won 2 titles in the last 5 years? I wasn’t aware that wasn’t a difficult OOC game most years.

by jmnpb996 on Feb 23, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Bama plays one difficult OOC team per year

… just like us.

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by GrassyNole on Feb 23, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It is what it is...

WVU backs out late in the game and we have to find a replacement. Look at Virginia Tech’s out of conference schedule from last year. It didnt stop them from getting a BCS bid after losing to Clemson twice.

by MJC88 on Feb 22, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't understand this
Unfortunately the ACC is already perceived to be a cupcake conference in football.

And yet FSU can’t win its “cupcake conference” but we should go ahead and schedule teams that are more difficult to beat than ACC teams? Will it put hair on our chest?

by Pinto on Feb 22, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

What are the consequences for FSU

promoting a season ticket package including West Virginia, knowing full well the game was likely to be canceled? Will they offer refunds to those who feel wronged by this fact? I’m not saying I fall in this category, just thinking about those emails they sent out after the Orange Bowl. As a season ticket holder, I am disappointed in the quality of the opponent but understand the positives. However, I have canceled my hotel reservation for that weekend but will still drive over from Pensacola for the game so I guess this is actually saving my money :) Over $300/night for the DoubleTree and $120/night for the Red Roof was ridiculous.

by Nole Holds Barred on Feb 22, 2012 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

That's probably where the talk of suing WVU comes in

I have no idea whether they can actually get more than the $500k, but they’re saying those things to keep fans from screaming at FSU for it being their fault.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe for a seperate post but.

Would like to see TN come up with a best case scenario for our schedule next year and then compare it to what we actually get from the acc.

Bud-I think this would be an interesting write up from your expertise if you used what would be out best case scenario schedule from the perspective that would give us the best chances to go undefeated and get a NC birth. Here is my stab at it:

9/1-Murray State
9/8-Sav State
9/15-Wake
9/22-BC
9/29-USF 10/6-OFF 10/13-Miami
10/20-Duke
10/25-NC State (thur nite game) 11/3-Clemson 11/10-Vatech
11/17-@Maryland
11/24-Florida
12/1-ACC CG vs Vatech

by origiNOLEone on Feb 22, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure if mock schedule came through clear or not...

9/1-Murray State
9/8-Sav State
9/15-Wake
9/22-BC
9/29-USF
10/6-OFF
10/13-Miami
10/20-Duke
10/25-NC State (thur nite game)
11/3-Clemson
11/10-Vatech
11/17-@Maryland
11/24-Florida
12/1-ACC CG vs Vatech

by origiNOLEone on Feb 22, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Screw that.

All 12 games should be at Doak.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

BECAUSE WE DEMAND IT BECAUSE WE ARE THE LIFE BLOOD OF THE PROGRAM AND IF WE DON’T GO NOBODY ELSE WILL

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Clemson followed by Vtech @maryland end with UF

Please no

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by caine115 on Feb 22, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

For some reason

@ sign did not want to work on my original post. Revised switching up maryland and BC:
9/1-Murray State
9/8-Sav State
9/15-Wake
9/22-Maryland 9/29-USF
10/6-OFF
10/13-Miami 10/20-Duke 10/25-NC State (thur nite game)
11/3-Clemson
11/10-@Vatech
11/17-BC
11/24-Florida
12/1-ACC CG vs Vatech

However, anyway I diced it there was going to be a pinch somewhere in the schedule because our SEPTEMBER is total waste of a month. Because we already have 9/1, 9/8 and 9/29 already deteremined as well as 9/15 having only wake or duke filling there, I could not see too much better than that except maybe switch maryland and BC. Do not see any other better option before thur nite game than duke at home…

by origiNOLEone on Feb 22, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

How's this?

9/1 – M. St
9/8 – SSU
9/15 – Wake
9/22 – @Miami
9/29 – @USF
10/6 – BC
10/13 – Bye
10/18 – @NC State (Thurs)
10/27 – @VT
11/3 – Duke
11/10 – Clemson
11/17 – @Maryland
11/24 – Florida

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That's close to my ideal. As far as a prediction...

9/1 – M. St
9/8 – SSU
9/15 – Duke
9/22 – BC
9/29 – @USF
10/6 – Bye
10/11 – @NC St. Thurs
10/20 – @VT
10/27 – Wake
11/3 – @Miami
11/10 – Clemson
11/17 – @Maryland
11/24 – Florida

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

THANK YOU.

Tired of re-litigating this ridiculous topic on here.

by AmplifiedJ on Feb 22, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa. I always thought it was only one thing.

Can never do alcohol because of St. Patty’s day.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Traditionally, yes

But I am pushing my boundaries.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I said I gave up beer...

Knob Creek is not beer :)

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Please!

Track and Field or Softball school and it’s not even close.

by ManiacMike on Feb 22, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That too.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely not softball lately. T&F is a legit argument though.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah it’s against not great competition. I’m still cautiously optimistic though.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm 50/50 split on this

Half of me is pissed as hell that another one of our home games is a glorified spring practice. I hate the fact that we’re not in the same anyone-anytime-anywhere world, but tis the state of college football, which segways nicely into my other half

The other half of me is slyly grinning, knowing that out Proportional win shares will jump that much more, and we are 2-0 before the first snap of the season. In the end, any anger resulting from a couple crappy home games will be entirely ameliorated by a BCS game, especially a MNC game.

I trust that we could’ve scheduled a better opponent and won, and it must’ve been a helluva time to be a fan when we’d schedule the best every game and STILL win.

"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher

by Sem1nole on Feb 22, 2012 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

As much as I love smart scheduling.

I am kinda sorta in your camp. I know that there isn’t a huge discrepancy b/w Murray State and a team like ULM, especially considering how good FSU is primed to be in 2012, but I’m just not satisfied for some reason.

Then again, there is the possibility that this was the only option on the table, and since we’re not a fault, I guess I’ll be OK with it.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to see the young guys before they go down to “injury”

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I predict

A flesh eating turf toe virus that only affects freshman who aren’t going to play meaningful snaps.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

they should have spent more time at practice

and less time in the shower without sandals on. silly freshmen. now they know, and it will never* happen again

*unless it does

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Could someone answer this question for me

How come FSU and FAMU never play each other? I think that would have been a better game than Savannah State. Same result, but better game.

by I275Nole on Feb 22, 2012 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

Check out the Miami / FIU fight. It’s just got bad idea written all over it.

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by NoleCC on Feb 22, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The two universities have a good relationship

that doesn’t need to be strained by either FSU laying a beating on them, or FAMU pulling an upset.

by 38Noles on Feb 22, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I always wondered.

Which school does a Tallahassee Engineering Student root for? lol.

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by fsutampaguy on Feb 22, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Engineering students are enrolled in one school or the other, not both.

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by devnole on Feb 22, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the idea.

I miss the days of drive-bys on Burt Reynolds hall by dudes from FAMU.

by gonoles74 on Feb 22, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Couple Comments.

A.) “The BCS no longer has an SOS component.” This is true for the physical component the BCS had as a stand-alone feature, however there is an internal hedge utilized in most of the computer rating models. Anderson and Hester, Colley, Massey, and Sag-bottom – all have SOS-like components to their computer ranking methods.

So…strength of schedule DOES still matter – at least a hair.

2.) A “B” for scheduling the worst team in the MEAC? Look, I agree the goal is not to lose a cupcake game, but the worst team in one of the weakest FCS conferences??

PeterGriffin.) I sincerely hope USF and UF shock everyone this season, and provide us with some quality OOC competition. I really don’t want to see us at 13-0 watching Oklahoma and USC in the NCG, while we’re playing in the consolation bowl.

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by fsutampaguy on Feb 22, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

lol.

Rec.

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by fsutampaguy on Feb 22, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It is almost like going to the cupcake store doesn't matter...

I looks like you have noticed all this talk about BCS bowls does not matter so long as we don’t win the ACC Championship. With a relatively new coach my goal for FSU in 2012 is an ACC Championship. Anything else is icing on the cupcake.

by Number99fla on Feb 22, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahahaha

JImbo Fisher could potentially waste days of articles and conversation if FSU doesn’t win the ACC…

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Once you schedule an FCS, quality does not matter in terms of resume. People are not parsing the quality of FSU’s 12th win.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

12 wins

I like the sound of that

by patriotnole on Feb 22, 2012 7:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

But those polls have historically not punished top teams for bad schedules.

When it comes to the top 25, they, just like voters, rank teams who win their games (even games against scrubs) ahead of teams who lose games (even against world-beaters).

by MattDNole on Feb 22, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Not 100% true.

2 things:

A. The computers rated Oklahoma State ahead of Alabama, why? They had a tougher sched. Go look at the final BCS rankings. (They don’t rank teams following bowls, because the BCS is only to determine who plays in the NCG.)

2. I know this is a technicality, but the computer ratings are not polls. Polls require people, a lot of people.

So – the rating systems, have punished teams for weaker schedules, and had all of the computers agreed on punishing Alabama, Oklahoma State would have played in the National Championship game, rather than the Tahd.

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by fsutampaguy on Feb 22, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

And if that had occurred, I have the feeling

the system would have been tilted even more toward the polls yet again, like every other time the computers have over ridden the “human choice.”

If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.

by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Not thrilled but not complaining...

As a season ticket holder I am not thrilled, but given the circumstances I am not going to complain.

I guess it is too early to know if FSU will cancel the 2013 WVU game, and schedule a home game for that date. There is no reason WVU should get the big ticket sales an FSU game would bring. I think WVU alread has four OOC games scheduled in 2013, FSU, Maryland, William & Mary and East Carolina…

by Number99fla on Feb 22, 2012 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think OU's schedule is any more difficult than FSU's

They start with UTEP and FAMU. Toughest games are Home games against OSU, Notre Dame and Baylor without RGIII. Away games against WVU and TCU minus the Fort Worth cartel. You are right about USC. They have a solid schedule and if they can win out, should be in the title game

by Nole Holds Barred on Feb 22, 2012 2:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

reply fail

meant to reply to fsutampaguy’s comment about OU and USC

by Nole Holds Barred on Feb 22, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think a 'B' is about right.

I’m just disappointed that the two cupcakes are back to back. I think it would be more useful to spread them out. I’m not crazy about the first game being against a cupcake, let alone the first two. I would rather start with a mid level that we are likely to beat but is enough of a threat that the players have to take them seriously.

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by devnole on Feb 22, 2012 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

When Cupcakes win its usually that first week

When a team is having that first game of year sloppiness. Always want 1 cupcake to start to at least get some idea if little things will or wont work as opposed to finding out and being flat against a mid level team that you should who but can beat you. That game should be second. Cupcake is like a preseason game which I always like.

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by caine115 on Feb 22, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Week one non-cupcake is how you end up with USF-Notre Dame last year.

“Oh, crap. We started the wrong QB and our players can’t hold onto the ball. Now we just lost to an inferior team despite outgaining them 500-200. At home.”

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by Kazoonole on Feb 22, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The Endless Debate

The endless debate over scheduling makes me wish that M Rogner would hurry up and post his FSU-Duke preview. Come on Mike!

Is the poster known as FSU actually Terry Saban? And why does TN not want you to know?

by csfuu on Feb 22, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

I admit, the horse has been beaten into cat-food.

…but I’m glad I get to argue with my buds of Seminole Nation, rather than some damned dirty reptile.

The only odd thing, is our schedule is very UF-like. Games against inferior teams, no OOC games outside of the state, and our hated rival to end the season.

Not trying to tempt fate here – but the home team in the FSU/UF rivalry, has never won a National Championship.

Ever.

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by fsutampaguy on Feb 22, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

The only odd thing, is our schedule is very UF-like. Games against inferior teams, no OOC games outside of the state, and our hated rival to end the season.

UF has won 40% of the BCS titles in the past 5 years with that schedule.

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

it wasn’t their schedule that won the title…

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

O RLY? That’s not the argument.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

gotta get there before you can win it

the fact that they got there so frequently is due in large part to scheduling.

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

In ’06 they played 4 REGULAR SEASON games against ranked opponents — only one of them at home.
In ’08 they only had 2 REGULAR SEASON opponents that finished ranked — but they had non conference games against Hawaii, Miami, and Florida State — not exactly Murray State, Savannah State, and UF, so even with their dumb scheduling, they still won it all.

by cubbynole on Feb 22, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

ok, but i get to use all caps sometimes...

there were 4 ranked in the final rankings for 2006, and ALL OF THEM were in conference. OOC? SoMiss, UCF, Western Carolina, and FSU, none of which were ranked.

in 2008? Miami was awful (7-6, lost to 4 ACC teams, barely beat UCF, Wake, UVA, and VT), and they played Hawaii (awful) and the Citadel (laughably awful) to go with the standard FSU game OOC. and again, ALL RANKED OPPONENTS were in conference. their games they control are all easy (FSU is not one of those, since it is legally mandated yearly).

your argument just doesnt stand up to the facts, no matter how you try to slant them by neglecting to mention that those REGULAR SEASON games were out of their control, and thus not part of the conversation here. it actually supports your opposition, to be honest. by your logic, only SEC teams get to schedule weak OOC games, despite the 2011 VT’s and Boise’s of the world proving you wrong.

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

How often does UF play Miami?

And do you think Miami is the reason they dont play more often?

by WPNoleJ on Feb 22, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Since 1987 when the regular series ended, we’ve played 5 times. 2 of them were in bowl games though (Sugar and Peach).

We’re supposed to play at Miami in 2013, but with conference expansion … who knows?

by FlaGators on Feb 22, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

horse meat is good for you

very nutritious, very lean. but the EVIL NON-HORSE LOBBY will not let it happen.

STOP THE EVIL NON-HORSE LOBBY!!! TRUST NO ONE!!!

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

FACT

Greatness courts failure.

by PalmAireNole on Feb 22, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Now we wait on Georgia Tech.

….apparently THEY TOO – are scrambling for a Sept 8th opponent - because of the Labor Day game.

If they get someone better than we got, I might shoot something.

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by fsutampaguy on Feb 22, 2012 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

GT is far less imposing than FSU

Why would you be surprised?

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by CornNole on Feb 22, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i would avoid GT like the plague if i were a decent team

injuries from chop/cut blocks are reason enough, but having to study an entirely different offense and play gap sound for only 1 week is a really good reason too.

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I am glad we scheduled a cupcake. I am mad we scheduled a cupcake.

Is it Thursday yet?

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by pasadenanole22 on Feb 22, 2012 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

BCS Bowl money...

Since some of the rational for becoming regular shoppers at the cupcake shop is BCS bowl money, I was wondering how much a BCS bowl game pays and just how much of that money goes to the other 11, soon to be 13 members of the conference?

by Number99fla on Feb 22, 2012 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

Ugh. Just saw SavSt's uniform over on the Chopping Block.

Another orange and blue team. Can’t get away from that color, huh?

by Invictus13 on Feb 22, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

will make it easier to take them a little seriously

by now, all FSU players should be trained to attack orange and blue on sight

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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow! 800 comments about Savanah St.

Am I wrong or did FSU really not have a choice here. I believe they reached out to several top 20 programs.

by patriotnole on Feb 22, 2012 7:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I heard they went after at least 25 top 20 programs

by SteadfastNole on Feb 22, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

25 top 20 programs

Not sure if you meant to do that, but that’s funny right there.

by patriotnole on Feb 22, 2012 7:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Don't like it

I think this sucks, and why Spetman entered into a contract that if broken will cost us millions yet WVU only has to pay $500k is crazy. No interest in traveling 450 miles to see this game. Sorry.

by Owlguin on Feb 22, 2012 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

???

Had we simply not scheduled WV and went for SSU in the first place, we’d be down the same millions and NOT get the $500k from WV (with the possibility of more).

How is this situation Spetman’s fault? Was he supposed to predict that WV would leave the BE for the B12 so quickly? Oh, and I think this series was scheduled as part of the deal when we raided the BE a few years ago… so, I’m really not sure why you’re blaming him here.

by Invictus13 on Feb 22, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Are they kidding me,,,,keeping the WVU game in 2013.

So it looks like the FSU plan is to give the FSU fans Savannah State in 2012 and then to still play at WVU in 2013. According to FOX Sports FSU has no plans at this time to cancel the 2013 game at WVU. This will help season ticket sales…and booster donations.

It would seem the idea of canceling the 2013 WVU game, scheduling a home and home series with a decent team was not even a consideration. Instead season ticket holders get to see a halftime band…local merchants get to have more empty rooms, fewer people filling restaurant tables, bar sales…and WVU gets to keep a big money game.

FSU now has one unhappy customer….maybe it is time to buy a better TV instead of season tickets. Brilliant thinking there.

by Number99fla on Feb 23, 2012 7:16 AM EST reply actions  

We reported the game would not happen. Fox Sports FSU has no idea what it is talking about.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

If they are going to cancel the 2013 WVU game do it ASAP...

There is no way that FSU is going to file any sort of civil claim for WVU cancelling the 2012 game and FSU still plays there in 2013. That would just be moronic and maybe even dangerous for the team and any fans going to the WVU game in 2013.

As a season ticket holder I can tolerate the situation for 2012, with the idea…the band is coming for half time…But don’t be trying to sell me tickets and at the same time saying they want to play WVU in 2013, because of Jimbo’s links to WVU.

They need to stop playing some game with the fans. FSU needs to figure out they are causing fans and season ticket holders to be unhappy, that they have caused a problem of their own by not just canelling the 2013 game NOW.

I can’t wait to see the SSU band…..

by Number99fla on Feb 23, 2012 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

ya, winning reallllly pisses me off
FSU needs to figure out they are causing fans and season ticket holders to be unhappy,

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by NorFla_Nole on Feb 23, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  


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