James Wilder Arrested
by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 6:44 PM EST
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James Wilder Jr., a sophomore running back for the Florida State Seminoles, has been arrested after attempting to prevent a law enforcement officer from arresting his girlfriend, Bianca Carmada. He is charged with battery on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence, both felonies, according to Kathryn Hetrz, a processing officer at the Leon County Jail. Carmada was being arrested on a warrant for failure to appear stemming from a prior charge of criminal mischief. Wilder bonded out earlier today, while Carmada is still in custody.
Sources tell Tomahawk Nation that Wilder allegedly grabbed his girlfriend away from the deputy as he was trying to arrest her and then allegedly slapped the deputy's hand. The deputy was unharmed.
Here is the press release from the Leon County Sherriff's Office, which describes a similar scene, though says Wilder "pushed" the officer, rather than "slapped", as told to Tomahawk Nation:
On February 22, 2012, a Leon County Deputy responded to 415 Chapel Drive #419 in reference to arresting Bianca N. Camarda, 20, on an outstanding capias for failure to appear in court on a Criminal Mischief charge. The uniformed Deputy made contact with James C. Wilder, 19. Wilder allowed deputies into the apartment in order to search for Camarda. Camarda was located hiding in a bathroom and taken into custody without incident. After placing Camarda in handcuffs, Deputy Donnie Bramblett began escorting her to his marked patrol car.
Wilder then began telling the deputy that Camarda was not going to go to jail. Wilder stepped in between Deputy Bramblett and Camarda and then pushed him. The deputy was able to regain control of the situation by unholstering his taser and advising Wilder that he would be tased if he continued to interfere. Wilder then began yelling obscenities while continuing to say that Camarda was not going to jail. As soon as Camarda was placed in the patrol car, Wilder was placed under arrest without further incident. Wilder and Camarda were taken to the Leon County Jail.
It is interesting to note that officer Hertz, Wilder's own attorney, the Tallahassee Democrat, as well as the original arrest report, list the charge as "resisting officer with violence." The release says obstructing a law enforcement officer without violence. Clearly, one of the reports are incorrect.
Wilder's side of the story, as told to the Tallahassee Democrat by his attorney, is that he never touched the officer and was attempting to show him a text message between his girlfriend and her attorney.
Wilder played sparingly as a freshman as he attempted to learn the playbook and become acclimated to the system.
Florida State's policy is typically to suspend those charged with a felony until the case has been resolved. And out of fairness to both players and law enforcement, head coach Jimbo Fisher usually lets the legal process play out before rushing to judgment on criminal matters.
Sources tell Tomahawk Nation that Wilder does not have a prior criminal record. That should be in his favor in his attempt to get the charges reduced.
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Girls....They are determined to bring down our Backfield this season.
Hope Freeman is single.
by Nole300 on Feb 22, 2012 6:46 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Let's hope Mario hasn't found the freshman girls yet.
If life gives you lemons, go ahead and punch a Gator fan.
by JaxJagNole on Feb 22, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lets hope he has, and lots of them
And realizes he has his choice of so many beautiful women that he should never have the problem of a single female driving him to dumb things,
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Seems like a good kid who made a bad decision. I doubt the cop was being as gentle with his girlfriend as he would have liked, and he may have been too naive to realize you never even touch an officer of the law.
Either way muy estupido.
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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 6:47 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I watched a Orlando cop
arrest a 70 year old woman yesterday. It was disgraceful. He was indignant and aggressive. Wilder being charged a felony from protecting his woman from the groping hands of an Orlando cop looks to me like more of what goes on in Orlando.
We got cops married to judges. A lot of nepotism and corruption. The place has sold out its soul.
DO NOT JUDGE JWJ. Give this case the benefit of the doubt. The cops around here are Nazis.
by Buddy Reynolds on Feb 23, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Do not judge the Cop either.
Greatness courts failure.
by PalmAireNole on Feb 23, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
My cousin is a cop in the Orlando area
He is a great kid. Works hard. I have gone on rides with him. He gives breaks when he can. And does it because he enjoyed helping people and found the job exciting. In his first year. He was involved in an incident where a woman called for help and when they arrived and were talking to her. The boyfriend started to yell and fight with the other officer and stabbed him almost killing him. The girl had been beaten up by the boyfriend earlier. And he partner almost lost his life coming to aid her. Mind you the ages of this couple were 60+ years old
There are bad cops, That is not a question. But there are bad teachers, coaches, priests, military people, reporters, parents, and people in every position. To judge all cops as Nazi’s because of an incident you happened to see the day before this where apparently some cops were overly aggressive with a 70 year old woman in which you prob have no idea what the situation was exactly, or what was said or why things happened is a broad statement that covers a lot of people and is somewhat insulting to someone like my cousin who simply works hard and tries to be a good father and worker in his community. Not sure I would call him a Nazi, he became a cop cause he always liked to help people and it worked out for him. Many cops are dirty, but a much bigger majority are peoeple who simply work and make a living doing something that is a more dangerous job who have job requirements of getting bad guys when you need help
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by caine115 on Feb 23, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you Caine. 100% agree
Greatness courts failure.
by PalmAireNole on Feb 23, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
There's a LOT of bad cops. A **LOT**. Not the majority...but a lot.
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by DRusso97 on Feb 24, 2012 9:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Geez
Not to bad, but you just can’t interfere, no matter how much you want to.
Maybe this will be a wake-up call to life, and he’ll quit pussy footing around with the RB position and switch to LB where he’ll shine and go on to be a 1st round draft pick and support his family so they don’t have to engage in criminal mischief
That is the most convoluted logic for "SWITCH POSITIONS PLEASE" I've ever seen.
Kudos? I guess? (I’m not here to mock y’all, trust.)
by Andy Hutchins on Feb 22, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
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Seriously though, in all seriousness, I’m super serious.
by SteadfastNole on Feb 22, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahaha.
I should come around here more often!
by Andy Hutchins on Feb 22, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
I hope he slapped the officer's hand like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az8r1Xmwjmo
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by andyprocombat on Feb 22, 2012 6:48 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Great, now I"m playing youtube roulette with street fighter videos for the next half hour of my life
by SteadfastNole on Feb 22, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not even close
Big difference in getting caught up in emotions and being a thief.
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Guess he won't be moving to LB anytime soon
Hope they dont keep those felony charges on him or GL
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My sources are telling me he lowered his head and ran square into the back of the officer, before falling forward 2.5 yards.
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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 6:49 PM EST reply actions 43 recs
Aw man, I made a similar joke on the first fanshot!
Well played good sir, well played.
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To be fair...
…Jermaine would’ve lost 4 on it.
Progress, people.
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by Drew J Jones on Feb 22, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Post of year canidate
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Feb 22, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
hopefully somebody
is keeping a log of all these POY nominees.
Outstanding
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by NoleThruandThru on Feb 22, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, did you just win 2012 Comment of the Year only 2 months in?
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by DRusso97 on Feb 24, 2012 9:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not good news at all, and kind of surprising.
It doesn’t sound like a huge deal though.
by fsunole23 on Feb 22, 2012 6:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
pending suspension
This could pose a problem with depth could it not? We’re not sure if CT is going to be able to contribute and Pender being a true frosh, that just leaves Freeman. I know we have Lonnie but I’m thinking depth @ TB. Am I missing someone?
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by xfactor159 on Feb 22, 2012 6:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Thank you
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by xfactor159 on Feb 22, 2012 7:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you want to count him.....
He’s really a FB.
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by cerebralfish on Feb 23, 2012 6:53 AM EST up reply actions
Let's wait
A Tally cop was breaking up a Halloween party one year, and my friend put his hand on the cops shoulder and said “hey man everything is cool, we are getting everyone to leav……” handcuffs on, carted away to jail, charged with felony. OK my friend shouldn’t have put his hand on the cop, but to keep the felony charge, why try to ruin my kids life when he was attempting to do the right thing? Luckily he beat it, but man, really that instance has shaped my view on officers.
You brush a cop, and they can charge battery, no questions asked.
by scotradamus on Feb 22, 2012 6:56 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Some power trip way too much
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
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by ItaliaNole on Feb 22, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
you could be arrested for this. WYA.
I accept Process...as long as it yields immediate beneficial results.
CYA
“consider your alternatives”, of course
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absolutely true.
If I did this, the cop would have laughed at me. But in Wilders’ case, that cop knew he wasn’t the biggest, baddest dude in the situation, and if he was a power tripping bully (not that all cops are) he’d want to inflate the infraction.
2012 is the Year of No Excuses.
by PeachTreeNole on Feb 23, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
If you put your hands on anyone
its a charge, its a felony if its a cop.
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Thats an over simplification
What about shaking hands?
by vanillathrilla83 on Feb 22, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
You must let them grab your hand first.
by SteadfastNole on Feb 22, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Actually, most lawyers recomment air shakes now.
And air hugs for closer friends.
by TuckNole on Feb 22, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I"m not touching you, i’m not touching you, i’m not touching you
by SteadfastNole on Feb 22, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
And thus Demolition Man becomes a reality
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by evenflow58 on Feb 22, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn it ...
I really can’t stand Taco Bell :(
And the advanced moves that lead to...
air babies.
I accept Process...as long as it yields immediate beneficial results.
that's an air assualt, and I make my friends sign a consent & waiver form first.
2012 is the Year of No Excuses.
by PeachTreeNole on Feb 23, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Shoulda called Bob Loblaw.
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by Rock_and_Nole on Feb 23, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
I have no problem with people getting arrested for going hands on with a cop, no matter how "delicate" or Innocent" it is
Cops don’t know who is a good kid or a bad kid, so they have to watch out for their safety.
Sounds like your problem is more with the staqte attorney, not the cops.
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So.... basically if you're about to touch a cop...
in any way shape or form; then you might as well try to knock him out because you’re going to get charged for it anyway…..
yeah, what he described could be attempted murder
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Wait & see
we don’t know anything about the cop (years of experience, service record, etc) and we know almost nothing of Wilder. For example, if the cop has many years of experience, a clean character record, etc., then it’s reasonable to give the cop the benefit of the doubt; otherwise, not.
Championship!
Disagree
Most cops have a “clean character record”, after all, who is going to arrest them? If a suspect files a complaint about police brutality or something, who is usually believed? The suspect or the cop who creates “escalated circumstances”, for example, by saying he unholstered his taser gun and had to make a threat of physical violence against the suspect?
If there is no “excessive force” by the police (which is extremely difficult to prove) and it is a trumped up felony charge for breathing heavy, who even complains about the cop?
That the cop may have engaged in any of that sort of behavior for years without anything being proven, i.e, years of experience and “clean character record” is not a reason to give the benefit of the doubt to the officer when the accused also has a clean record.
People in positions of authority, whether they be politicians, priests, or judges can use their positions to maintain “clean records” for years despite having horrible characters. People are far less likely to even make accusations against such people due to their status. The clean character records only get blemished after years of heinous behavior and a mountain of evidence finally breaks loose on them. Madoff, Sandusky, OJ, catholic priests, etc. = all people of status and power who had been in the public eye for years and had clean character records until the conduct was so heinous and the evidence so overwhelming that someone actually believed the accusers.
by NoleLaw on Feb 23, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Respect for everyone in this process...
Just as we wouldn’t allow people to unmercifully rip on Wilder, we also won’t allow that on the law enforcement folks. They’re just doing their jobs, and you never know, maybe the cop is an FSU fan and maybe Wilder did even more than what I was told and the cop cut him a break. It’s difficult to get the entire story in a situation like this. Let’s try to be respectful of everyone except those who want FSU to schedule additional BCS teams.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 7:03 PM EST reply actions 22 recs
annnnnnnnnnd Rec
Let’s try to be respectful of everyone except those who want FSU to schedule additional BCS teams.
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by NorFla_Nole on Feb 22, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec-Tastic
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by xfactor159 on Feb 22, 2012 7:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ugh
hopefully the charges get dropped… hopefully jwj didn’t know about her prior arrest…. this is so foolish
If the cop put his hand out there, he should expect it to be slapped
Arrington’d
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by Marmaduke1 on Feb 22, 2012 7:04 PM EST via Android app reply actions 13 recs
Arrington would have tried to carry the officer back to his apartment.
by Meehl on Feb 22, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
A cop just sitting there is ASKING to be taken home...
by Invictus13 on Feb 22, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Invictus. LOL
Rec’d!
Wit that good is waiting to go green.
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See ya later gator hater
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If it's the same girl from HS, yes.
She’s 20, which is weird. Guess she got held back a year?
2013 can't come soon enough!
Obviously she's "slap-a-cop" worthy.
by seminoleballer on Feb 22, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously, just spit out my Whiskey and Coke on my GF when I read that
Thanks…
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by ValdostaNole on Feb 22, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Is Wilder's gf a black headed chick?
I saw him walking around with a black headed chick during Miami weekend last season.
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by cerebralfish on Feb 23, 2012 6:54 AM EST up reply actions
just get rid of them like this
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So he's def. not moving to linebacker this year?
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by truecolors on Feb 22, 2012 7:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It seems that the move has been arrested.
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by RollNole5 on Feb 22, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
/shoots self in head
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YEEEEEEEEEEEAH
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by NolefromPA on Feb 22, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
My first attempt at a photoshop type thing ever. Not topping Curtis' pic.
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by Miaminole on Feb 22, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
If he went to UGA
the arrest would’ve happened 6 months ago
It also would’ve somehow occurred while riding a scooter.
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Feb 22, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It would have involved a scooter here,
But Jenkins alreadt jacked it.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 23, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Actual Footage?
Hard to tell, a bit grainy: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82306359/
If an officer disrespects, peaceful protest
Might have been a better more peaceful way to protest the arrest.
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
actually, that is an actionable tort of battery
if that dude has any money, the cop may be a little richer for it, considering it was in an enclosed area and had to stick around for a while.
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Mixed feelings about him
Has a great reputation, did a great job with Reid’s issues, but…
he went to UF for both undergrad and law school.
he went to UF for both undergrad and law school.
So basically he learned from the best? Fine by me.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
If this had happened in Gainesville he would have been tased in addition to being arrested.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
yeah...its called the starting lineup...
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by RobbSeminole on Feb 24, 2012 4:36 AM EST up reply actions
If this would have happened in Gainseville
the cop would have been hiding in the bathroom.
I accept Process...as long as it yields immediate beneficial results.
maybe the text he allegedly was trying to show the officer said,
“Time to die, B*”
Face palm moment...
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just being in the same zip code as the cop could constitute an assault by any dude who looks like that.
2012 is the Year of No Excuses.
by PeachTreeNole on Feb 23, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
well
At first I pooed my pants when I heard this but after reading what might have happened hopefully its just a suspenssion and not dismisal from team
by origiNOLEone on Feb 22, 2012 8:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Whats your opinion that the charges will be reduced and he will be in uniform?
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by cerebralfish on Feb 23, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting
The fact that he doesn’t have a prior record and the cop was only pushed might let him off with a misdemeanor. But I am no lawyer soooo perhaps i shouldn’t say anything.
Fixed the Leon County Sheriff Office's press release
Wilder then began yelling “don’t tase me, bro” while continuing to say that Arrington was not going to jail.
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Started reading the thread
and fully expected a meltdown. I should have known you guys would make it an exercise of wit. Love it.
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by amvNole on Feb 22, 2012 8:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well...
…there goes our running game.
/yes, it’s snark
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Seriously...doesnt sound like felony resisting
Resisting with Violence by definition means JWJ was already being placed under arrest, and responded to that action— clearly he was not.Pysical interference without aggressive sustained actions isnt likely to stay a felony. Battery on Officer is a felony, if he slapped, pushed or chest bumped the Deputy (whichever version is out there) then that charge is going to be an issue for him and FSU. No criminal record will most certainly help him…plea deal forthcoming. After all the facts of course, and no surprises…..
Cant some co-ed out there take over for JWJ? This GF of his is the problem…is Breezy busy?
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Feb 22, 2012 9:19 PM EST reply actions
\Resisting with Violence by definition means JWJ was already being placed under arrest,
Incorrect.
I actually tried a case very similar to this. It can begin by disobeying a lawful order. If you obstruct an officer from performing a lawful duty you are resisting.
You can be charged with resisting without violence simply by tensing your arms when being arrested. (not exactly relevant to the discussion, but just to provide some context as to how little it takes to be charged.
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yay police state. flexing your arms???
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I assume you’re quick to drop the flexers? A lot of GTL in Miami. Lots of flexing.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I cant make any assumptions because Im not an ASA up there
but, based on what I read above, his record is pretty clean, and that should help quite a bit. If the officer doesnt have a problem with it, there is a possibility of a bind down to simple battery (as someone correctly noted above, its a felony because it was on a LEO), which would make it a misdemeanor.
Also, assuming it goes to a simple battery, I dont think its crazy to think that the officer would be willing to a bind down to RWOV (resisting without violencce), another misdemeanor.
If Tally is at all like Miami, there should be a pre trial diversion program. He might be able to qualify for that, which could equal a dismissal of all the charges if he complies with the program. They would probably include an anger course (not unusual for a battery)
Again, this involves a few big leaps of assumption, not the least of which is that I have no idea how Leon county operates. Things that would clear something up in Miami, could still equal jail in Broward.
"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum
Yes the misdemeanor diversion program is quite common in Tallahassee
Underage drinking, possession of marijuana, paraphernalia, etc. all misdemeanors that will likely be dropped if its your first offense and you follow through with the diversion program (trust me, I know). All you have to do then is complete a 10-hour work day picking up trash on the road and pay a $175 fine and you’re good to go.
This is assuming his charges get dropped to misdemeanor, however. If it sticks as a felony he is screwed.
JWJ now endorsing ron paul 2012
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week." - GEN George S. Patton
Heard...
JWJ was sharing a cell with A.C. Leonard… A.C. Leonard is now his new GF.
Coach Fisher Just announced
“In order to maintain the highest standards of discipline in FSU football, James Wilder has been suspended indefinitely. In other news, his brother Curtis (pictured here) will walk on the team at the linebacker position this spring.”
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by devnole on Feb 22, 2012 9:36 PM EST reply actions 34 recs
Awesome
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Feb 22, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
I 3rd this motion
What is the definition of safe sex down in Gainesville?
Placing signs on the animals that kick.
by ValdostaNole on Feb 22, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Comment/Pic of the Year!
Its only Feb and this WILL NOT be beat!
What is the definition of safe sex down in Gainesville?
Placing signs on the animals that kick.
by ValdostaNole on Feb 22, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
The funniest part about this
Is that of all the names, he picked something like “Curtis”…so hilarious
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Because Curtis is his middle name, no?
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Feb 23, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
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Someone tell JR.......
That keep his hands to himself and in 3 years he can bu his own personal cop, oh and if you are going to go to jail over a girl, make sure she looks alot better than the one he has. Hope its love!
by JKnole on Feb 22, 2012 9:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I just hope it is a wake up call to everyone else, especially before spring break. This could be a blessing in disguise, so to speak.
by CrimiNole Defense on Feb 22, 2012 9:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This will get reduced to RAWOV. He'll plead to a withhold and court cost
Maybe probation too. But this will be a non issue. No priors means he’d probably qualify for a PTI or similar pretrial intervention program. He’ll be back by spring.
by CCDFSU07 on Feb 22, 2012 10:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
timmy jernigan tweeted saying "jdub gne b jus fine man"
That seems like a reliable source to me
by reid-the-manuel on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 PM EST reply actions
What am I missing?
It sounds as if Wildet didn’t protest the officer entering his apartment and handcuffing his girlfriend and only after the girlfriend was securely in custody did he ask for an explanation on the descripancy between the Sheriff’s actions and what her lawyer had said.
At which point, rather than explaining a warrant had gone out and it was out of his hands, the sheriff behaved as if Wilder hadn’t been helpful to that point.
Threatening to taser Wilder when he asked for a clarification seems a disportiate response and frankly uncivil if Wilder had been helpful to that point.
by TheHyperCritic on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If the police report is accurate, it was only after Wilder pushed the officer that he was threatened with the taser. That seems more than fine to me. In fact I wouldn’t have had a problem with him using the taser if he did in fact push a cop and was telling him that he wasn’t taking the girl to jail.
I would think if an officer is that much of a piece of crap to exaggerate a tap to a push, he probably wouldn’t have warned that the taser is coming and just would have used it claiming the “push” justified it. But that’s just speculation on my part obviously. So far I don’t see a reason to not believe the police report. Hopefully the charges get reduced and he’s back to playing soon with a lesson learned.
honestly, for a guy like that
he would ask because he would litelly want him to “give me a reason”. part of the high for the bum cops (notice that does not mean all, or even most, are like this) is control. they get to tell you exactly what is going to happen, and when it will happen, and they get to say they were justified in tasing you if you didnt listen. win-win.
but again, not most cops, and it isnt related to the profession; some guys are just losers, and they have to pretend like they are better than they are with a power trip.
in all likelihood, i see a misdemeanor resisting arrest sticking, and thats it. i think its typical to charge the defendant with everything you think could reasonably stick, and then reduce it to something reasonable (or unreasonable, depending on how good or bad your lawyer is). no way he gets 2 felonies for 1 minor act.
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It reads to me...
Like he stepped between them and put a steadying hand on both as you would to say “let’s stop for a minute and discuss this”. For a man of Wilder’s strength, that may seem like a push but it doesn’t read as if he shoved him or attacked him in anyway — that he was acting as you would when inviting someone into your house and complying with their demand who begins behaving rudely.
Tasers, while non-lethal, are incredibly dangerous and overused. Threatening to use a taser when not being attacked and when both accounts indicate Wilder was just looking for clarification seems a dramatic escalation.
Is the Sheriff in the legal right? Of course. But it does not sound like he was acting in good faith as a public servant interacting with a citizen who had complied and was simply asking why there was a descripancy between what her attorney had told her and the actions being carried out.
I’ve been on two ride-alongs. One officer expressed that he viewed people he came in contact with as enemy combatants. Another expressed that he made a point to try to always begin an interaction with an exchange of names to humanize the interaction.
It sounds as if the sheriff didn’t offer common courtesy to a citizen who was complying and inexplicably asked for unquestioning respect in return.
by TheHyperCritic on Feb 22, 2012 11:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m reading the police report where it says he “pushed” the officer and “telling the deputy that Camarda was not going to go to jail.” That doesn’t sound like a discussion, that sounds like someone starting to escalate the situation.
I think you’re absolutely right about the overuse of tasers, but let’s be honest here, a man of Wilder’s size telling an officer what he can/can’t do and then putting his hands on the officer is not like the youtube videos we see of a woman getting zapped for not getting off her cell phone.
The police report will be...
The most favorable to the officer’s actions and if he felt threatened I can completely understand the taser, but it reads as a lazy way of gaining compliance.
“She’s not going to jail” seems to be quoting what her lawyer conveyed to them, not Wilder threatening to stop it by force after allowing them into his house and handcuff his girlfriend without incident.
Wilder clearly should have called her lawyer instead of attempting to convince the Sheriff’s of a clarical error or whatever he thought he was doing, but it also seems no harm was done and the Sheriff could have defused the situation with sixty seconds of dialogue.
by TheHyperCritic on Feb 22, 2012 11:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
was JWJ handcuffed and carted off too?
No criminal record.
Peacefully allows police to enter to find his GF
Shouts obscenities and commits felony battery
Is arrested without incident.
One of those doesn’t fit with the others.
anybody else think the GF may have had something to do with his change in behavior?
i can imagine her yelling, complaining, and making it seem like she is being hurt. you know, playing it up so the “big strong boyfriend” will step in and protect her from the “big bad cop”. just saying, it seems unlikely that he would change his tune so quickly, especially after letting them in calmly and everything.
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Would the cop have announced that he was arresting her when he was at the door?
After he slapped the cuffs on his girlfriend is it unreasonable that he might have lost control?
The threat of a tasing I assume is quite calming.
Felony battery does seem ridiculously harsh though.
If he allowed them in to search
and she had a capias, then I’m sure that he knew they were there to arrest her
If the police report is accurate
big IF
odds of that are little better than SSU beating FSU in Doak.
Not corrupt
But police reports are intentionally written with a point of view which will be most beneficial to prosecutors and not even-handed.
Subjective observations (results of field sobriety tests) are notoriously one-sided and dialogue which may raise doubt is often omitted.
by TheHyperCritic on Feb 22, 2012 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah.
I don’t want to go off on a diatribe about incidents I’ve been involved with, my sister-in-law who is a former deputy sheriff until she became a whistleblower, or conversations I’ve had with ASAs. I’ll just say that I wouldn’t assume police reports are balanced or accurate. For example, a push could be a push or it could be an officer walking into someone refusing to move. A warning to arrest someone for obstruction of justice would seem to be in order if someone placed themselves between the office and the handcuffed person. Instead, you get the taser being removed if that is what “unholstered” means. Unholstered might also mean that the holster strap was unsnapped without the taser being removed. I don’t have a subscription to the Tallahassee Democrat, so I can’t read both sides. I wasn’t there and don’t care to speculate. I do believe there are two sides to every story and the truth of what happened is usually somewhere in between.
I would go so far as to say corrupt, but..
Not far from it. They’ve got quite a few bad eggs.
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I am finding this conversation very interesting!
I live in Africa…part of me is just shaking my head that you guys think this stuff is “corruption” – the other part of me is glad/proud to be American so that even this little stuff is considered “corruption” and it doesn’t go much farther TOO often.
Yep
Because we shouldn’t expect 100% honesty from our public servants.
by HOOSIER NOLE on Feb 23, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
or anyone else
treat public employees like any other person, because they are still people. upstanding citizens do not grow on trees, we all have flaws and can get corrupted by power and influence. i always assume a cop is a normal person, which means he could go either way, and i make sure to cover myself in the event he goes the wrong way.
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By reading these
(unless I am misreading) I am not sure my point(s) came through well. (1) by comparison to what we have here in Africa you can’t even consider what is being labelled by people in the thread as corruption (or close to it) as anything remotely like that – those would be the good cops here {i.e., “stop complaining”}, however (2) I am happy that we hold our public officials (and drivers, etc.)* to higher standards in the US
While I agree that cops, etc are human and can be expected to make mistakes and wrong decisions, if you want society to continue on and not become what I am surrounded by (and mind you I live in one of the good African countries), you can’t lower standards of expectation or accountability
- just a little comment on the crazy drivers here
By the same token,
comparing how officers in the US interact with suspects vs. officers in western Europe, the UK, or Australia results in different conclusions. The level of physical force employed by officers routinely in the US is very rare in the rest of the developed world.
2 felonies would seem far too harsh. He’s a kid, he f’ed up but don’t ruin his life for the first offense. Make him spend his weekends cleaning up highways and FSU should suspend him for a game or two but no more than that.
he needs to drop this girl like a sack of potatoes
who wouldve thought having a long term girlfriend would make you more likely to get arrested than, ahem, “dating”.
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also, a PSA for all the young people (college on down) out there, and maybe somebody older who doesnt know
if the cops show up and start asking questions, even if they are not looking for you:
YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY. do not start volunteering information. do not tell them they can come in your house/search your car without a warrant. tell them you want to see it if they say they have one, and then call your attorney.
do not be disrespectful. do not touch them, even if you think it is harmless or barely contact at all. do not be belligerent. comply with all lawful orders. and for the l of g, if they want you to answer any questions (even if they seem nice), or if they ask/tell you they are taking you to the station, CALL YOUR ATTORNEY, AND STOP TALKING.
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by nole07 on Feb 22, 2012 11:50 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
ding ding ding
we have a winner.
Never consent to anything, and never speak without an attorney present.
by paperjames on Feb 22, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How many attorneys/law students do we have here? I can think of 10 easy.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 22, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
A ton
Think there might be ten of us in this thread alone. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s some ridiculous percentage. BON’s that way too. It’s bizarre.
Soooo,
THAT"S why I keep having to wipe that slime off my screen ever 15 minutes.
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 23, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 23, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
All in good fun
Smile, take the abuse with us in the meteorology crowd, and then move on.
A Pessimist Complains About The Weather
An Optimist Waits For It To Change
A Realist Adjusts The Sails
you say that now
but you know who you call when you have been wronged, and it isnt your buddy who seems like a nice guy
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If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire
Most Miami fans have a bad case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Feb 23, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
TN does tend to attract the intelligent, rational fan
and thank you for intentionally including me (and others) in that group. if not for unforeseen circumstances, i would be in your shoes right now, and i did spend that “wasted” time working in a big law firm. i wouldnt exactly hire me right now, but i think i am a decent source of daily information – gotta get it all out the way now, before people start thinking i am giving them legal advice, thinking i now represent them, and suing me for malpractice.
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Excluding you bud
Alabama law doesn’t count.
by NewEraNoles on Feb 23, 2012 12:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Side note
When are we getting acc schedule?
by NewEraNoles on Feb 23, 2012 12:06 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Tomorrow or Friday AM. Ingram and myself have set the podcast record time for early Friday AM
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Rec'ing paperjames
While most law enforcement are great people, there are enough AHs out there that I recommend caution while dealing with law enforcemnt.
Before dealing with law enforcement in any way, call your attorney.
by ladyjustice on Feb 23, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
This
Needs to be sent to all active athletes at fsu… Urgent memo to all student athletes.
by NewEraNoles on Feb 23, 2012 12:05 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
"Practical constitutional rights" (aka how to deal with the police)
Should be mandatory at the beginning of each spring camp. Hell, I’d teach it for free (or some tickets)
FSU will gladly pay you with a plethora of tickets
To the SSU game.
by NewEraNoles on Feb 23, 2012 12:10 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
as a capitalist
i cannot allow you to flood the market with free advice. it is bad for you and the rest of us. but if charging money makes you uncomfortable, you may, however, work on the barter system. NewEra’s idea is an acceptable example of this.
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good man
gimme a call, we can negotiate some season tickets for us and our families. only for FSU games though, no dice for USF/UCF/Miami offering us season tickets, they are barely worth the paper they are printed on. that would be the equivalent of someone handing us a flier, which is like they said “here, you throw this away”.
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Add me to your payroll
For playing match maker in this union of legal minds.
Thanks
by NewEraNoles on Feb 23, 2012 12:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
that will quickly be shut down by an enterprising young ADA
when the police complain that it makes it harder to do their jobs. we will have to milk it for all its worth in short order. NewEra, you can earn your cut for partially facilitating this business by being the booking assistant. we are starting at FSU, but we are intentionally skipping UF – let them be the only kids in the country getting arrested for dumb things.
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I'm not a dumb guy...
But I didn’t buy into this for many years.
Doing ride-alongs and research into law enforcement and the legal system won me over completely.
It also helped me to understand that the way police officers interact with white, clean-cut and well-spoken men is worlds different than how some (and only some) officers interact with other people they may encounter.
by TheHyperCritic on Feb 23, 2012 12:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i fall under that first category (when i get a haircut often enough, that is)
i had an interesting “encounter” with FSUPD, and the fact that i was very calm made a huge difference. it also helped that i knew they had nothing on me, and it was all strange coincidence. but suffice it to say, they were not there to be my friends. being polite makes a huge difference, but that doesnt mean you have to start volunteering anything, even if it seems irrelevant or harmless. and they were all perfectly reasonable cops.
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I once had a cop threaten to arrest me for resisting for disputing an alleged traffic infraction that never resulted in a ticket.
I was walking with my girlfriend near campus one evening and
(this is no joke) kicked a can, yes, an empty can, on the ground as we passed by. A police officer and his partner stopped their car when they saw me do it and told me to pick up the can or they were taking me in. It was mind blowing. They said I had taken possession of the can the moment I touched it and that I was, in effect, littering and now resisting by arguing. I thought they were full of it, but I wanted to continue on the evening with my girlfriend, so after a little argumentation, I picked the thing up and walked it to a trash can. Thanks, TPD. Way to use your uniforms.
by SolidNole on Feb 23, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Is that a Florida thing?
lots of states (Ok, just VA and TX that I know of) will let you refuse the breath test but if you refuse a FST you basically forfeit your licence
If you refuse a breath test, you are looking at
an automatic license suspension.
You can refuse to do roadsides, but that can be used against you if the DUI goes to trial.
Also, it is a crime to refuse the breath test a second time, so count on being charged with that if it happens a second time.
Also, addressing what nole07 said below, if you blow over a .08, there is a presumption that you are under the influence. There is no presumption if you refuse a sobriety test, at least not in Dade county.
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I dont drink, but what your saying is
if your going to possibly fail a field test dont take it? and possibly take your chance at just breathing under .08. And also if you refuse and take the suspension, is it if you refuse again at the station or as in you refuse a second time sometime in the future tat it is a crime. Thats very odd law.
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there is some sort of requirement in FL
if the police believe you are intoxicated, and you refuse a sobriety test, you are legally presumed to be intoxicated. unsure of how the rule works entirely, but there is no way it is constitutional (it presumes you are guilty without any evidence).
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I believe there is implied consent to a breathalizer as part of having the FL driver license
However, there is no requirement to do the horizontal eye test, walk a line, touch your nose while rubbing your tummy and standing on one foot or any of the other clowning around the cops would have you do. I don’t handle any criminal or DUI cases, but co-counsel on one of my civil cases does and I’ve seen some motions to suppress field sobriety tests.
wouldnt the logical progression be to ask for the breathalyzer anyway?
seems like a trivial distinction for a cop with half a brain, and it is a more effective measure anyway.
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yes, but
you do not have to take that either. You would eventually have to take one at the police station, or you could decline that one as well and simply have your license suspended (maybe along with a fine). But I don’t think it winds up in a DUI. With the field tests, the state could make a circumstantial case. If you’re plastered, it’s probably better to just have your license suspended than get a DUI. This is really not my domain. I just believe from reading motions to suppress that there is no requirement to consent to field sobriety tests.
Lots of cops do
But in certian states, the results of a breathalyzer aren’t admissible. The cop can say that you’ve taken one, and what he decided to do as a result, but not what the results were. The implied consent thing it mostly how it works: by having a licence in the state, you waive your ability to refuse field sobriety testing, and if you do refuse you get your licence revoked. The states I’ve worked in will allow you to refuse to breat test because they know they can’t use it, but will just take you in if you refuse FST
(the above is not intended to be legal advice, don’t take it as such etc etc etc)
of course they did
tell them you want to see [the warrant] if they say they have one, and then call your attorney.
that means dont talk to them, and certainly dont stop them from arresting her. just call your attorney and meet the two of them at the station.
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About never talking to a cop....ever
Like mentioned. It can never help. Say nothing and ask for a lawyer. Many have prob seen this. But if not its great. Its a lawyer and cop telling you how everything you say will hurt and never help. The lawyer tells you why then a cop tells you how they will use it against you. Ski through or watch it all but it is a must watch for people who may ever have to talk to a cop. You listening you drunk and stoned college kids!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
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The cop...
was absolutely intimidated by Wilder’s size and build. How could he not have been?
Therefore, you have a cop, trying to do his job. All the while a guy who is HUGE is getting frustrated with him. I can absolutely see how this thing could have gotten blown out of proportion.
As true as that may be....
But does being a pussy warrant charging him with 2 felonies….
by NewEraNoles on Feb 23, 2012 12:24 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
He wasn't being a pussy he was doing his job
He was sent there to arrest the woman, he didn’t go there on a whim. Wilder chose to escalate the situation and in a shockingly stupid move push a cop. You go to jail for that.
I wouldn't say that is a given.
Most officers I’ve seen have decent size, weapons, and a badge. How often do you hear about a cop getting the crap beat out of him? Not very.
I saw it in high school...
long story short cop got picked up and pile driven into a cement floor so hard his gun came unholstered where he proceeded to pistol whip his assailant.. Needless to say it ended in an arrest and a battery charge that stuck…
Not many but I witnessed an epic one
In the Fall of ‘02, a female TPD officer was alone and trying to break-up a party at the “house of chaos” near campus. After she place zip-tie handcuffs on a few people (myself included) a stocky guy with a wrestlers build came out of the crowd and trucked this women across the room. They start rolling around on the floor fighting, and that was my opportunity to get the hell out of there. I ran with my hands behind my back to a friend’s dorm to cut the zip ties off. From what people told me he beat the crap out of her and ran off too. I never saw that guy again but I owe him a get of jail free card.
by NationWideNole on Feb 23, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Wow.
So everybody stood around and watched a female cop get beaten up? Cool story bro. And you wonder why cops aren’t nice to college students.
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Feb 23, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Hey bro, don't assume I wonder about anything
And I for one know why cop’s aren’t nice college students. I have seen firsthand despicable and abusive actions committed by cops. I would never condone violence against women even in this case when it benefited me, but the entire situation was outside my control.
by NationWideNole on Feb 23, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
cool story bro.
what about the part where officers don’t roam solo, or that that guy is basically about a lifetime in prison? you left it on a cliffhanger.
What's with the bro-isms
I believe her partner went upstairs to into the house, because he smelled smoke. I have no idea what happened to the wrestler.
by NationWideNole on Feb 23, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Anybody notice in the article that mentioned
How his gf is still chilling in her holding cell… Hope they leave her in there for a while for putting wilder on this situation in the first place.
by NewEraNoles on Feb 23, 2012 12:22 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Also...
What is criminal mischief?
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everyone piles on the gf, of course
She did not put WIlder in this situation. He made choices and put himself there. His actions are his responsibility.
Well, I'd say that Wilder wouldn't have this contact with police if there was a warrant for her arrest after a failure to appear.
He didn’t aggressively find a cop and tell him not to arrest his gf.
by jmnpb996 on Feb 23, 2012 7:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For the record, multiple UF people said "this is why you don't jab your rivals' arrests" after this yesterday
I’d just like to point out our player was arrested while DEFENDING his girlfriend, not HITTING her.
Then again
our other player in the backfield was arrested for hitting her….
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by cerebralfish on Feb 23, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
Hey now
IIRC with ac leonard he “didn’t hit her he just wanted her to leave.”
by NewEraNoles on Feb 23, 2012 9:14 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
The real question is...
Why does J Wilder have a girlfriend? ugh
by DeanerNoleProphet on Feb 23, 2012 9:17 AM EST reply actions
This settles it
Seminole arrest stories are magnets for hilarity. Everyone brings their A-game. Carry on TN…
At least...
it sounds like ti was a dumb-snap-decision mistake, and not a questionable-character mistake, like doing crack or going to UF.
I can't say some of the comments I've read here are idiotic, because that might be considered against the community rules.
I probably can’t also say that many of you are clueless, for the same reason.
Whether he slapped, pushed, or gently and lovingly stroked the cops arm, you don’t put your hands on a LEO. You also don’t interfere with a LEO when he is attempting to arrest another person. I know Saturday night is prime party time, but I sometimes wonder if any of our athletes have never seen an episode of COPS.
Some of you can blame the cop or tell us your experiences (and who amongst us hasn’t had an encounter at one time or another with an idiot cop), but the fact of the matter is that Wilder was the idiot this time and he f#cked up big time. He was wrong, he went to jail, and now, if he’s lucky, he will probably have to pick up trash at some county park in order to learn his lesson.
But that doesn’t mean he is a bad kid or will have his name on a future police blotter. He can and probably will recover and succeed as long as he doesn’t screw up again.
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by FrankDNole on Feb 23, 2012 2:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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