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"The Playing Rules Oversight Panel (PROP) during its conference call on Tuesday approved moving the kickoff and touchback lines beginning with the 2012 football season.

Next fall, teams will kick off at the 35-yard line instead of the 30. Also, players on the kicking team can’t line up for the play behind the 30-yard line, which is intended to limit the running start kicking teams used to have during the play.

Also, touchbacks on free kicks will be moved to the 25-yard line instead of the 20 to encourage more touchbacks. Touchbacks on other plays (for example, punts that go into the end zone, or fumbles that go out of the end zone) will remain at the 20-yard line." - from NCAA website

What I really didn't like was the no-running-start rule for coverage teams. The 35/25 would make elite kickers even more valuable, giving a major field position advantage for a team who can kick it sky high with good coverage. Coverage rule may negate that effect if you can't get down there quick enough.

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There is nothing good about this when it comes to FSU.

Any team with elite talent and speed will hate this.

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by cerebralfish on Feb 24, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. We will be taking the ball at the 25 far too often, instead of letting a Los or Bracy/Darby take it out.

No team will kick to us anymore, and most mediocre kickers are going to be able to put it deep in the end zone every time.

The benefit for FSU is “placing” the ball inside the 10 and letting our burner coverage team stop them well inside the 25.

We’re going to find a way to use our elite kickers, returners, and coverage teams to gain a field position advantage.

by jmnpb996 on Feb 24, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.

Seems like kickers will be able to concentrate on getting more height now; allowing coverage to get farther downfield; possibly more quick (and hard) hits on returners?

Assuming that teams will always try to go for the touchback – while at the same time decreasing the desirability of a TB – might be a mistake. We’ll see.

by Invictus13 on Feb 24, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

what could be on their thought process...

is if they are mediocre kickers and are being asked by more aggressive coaches to kick it at a higher angle for hang time, unlike a punt, the odds it goes out of bounds increases, for a penalty: would coaches then opt to TB EVERY time?

whatever their thoughts, they’ve ruined the KR now…

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by RobbSeminole on Feb 27, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed, next they’re gonna say pointing at the ball is some sort of fair catch signal and call back a td return. Oh wait, …

by Tallinasty_Nole on Feb 24, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It takes about ten yards for a player to reach full speed (perfect conditions)

Therefore the five yards that the ball is going to be moved up is absolutely useless since the player still has 65 yards ahead of him…

This doesn’t make the game safer, it just makes KO returns less frequent due to touchbacks, which is sorta like saying : “Cutting myself hurts, and I don’t like it, I should cut myself less.”

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Feb 24, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

They should add in a rule

saying that kickoffs that are not cleanly possessed by the return team get moved to the 20 as well. It would still reward kickers strong enough to kick the ball through the endzone.

by mbar on Feb 24, 2012 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

That was common with Janikowski, back when they kicked from the 35.

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by NoleCC on Feb 24, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually less..

He will blend in more as the majority of kickers will have more touchbacks now

by reznik1979 on Feb 24, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree,

I think a kicker like Hopkins is gonna be able to really get under the ball and drop it somewhere between the goal line and the 5-yard line, I could see us pinning a lot of returns within the 15 with this rule so long as Dustin doesn’t just try to kick the ball out of the endzone.

by imf10fsu on Feb 24, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

seemed to be his strategy anyway

in some of the cupcake games last year. aim for the goal line, let the elite speed of the kicking team get down and pin them inside 15.

by stevib on Feb 25, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Given the rule change in the NFL, guys that plan on playing at the next level

should be doing this anyway.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 25, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

This definitely originated from the ACC

Significantly curtails the importance of FSU’s elite kicker and kick coverage unit.

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by DKfromVA on Feb 24, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

Is there an actual reason they are doing this?

Or is this more of a case of, it isn’t broken – but we are going to fix it anyway?

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by Nattylite on Feb 24, 2012 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

The real question is this:

Will we coach Hopkins to boom it and give up the 25, or will we coach him to kick it super high and deep and try to pin opponents inside the 25. Remember, while the coverege unit gets less of a head of steam, they also have 5 fewer yards to run. And since Hopkins doesn’t have to worry as much about depth, he could probably get some pretty serious hang time.

Of course, the other side is — even if you gained a few yards in FP on average by doing this, you are increasing the chance of a game-changing return for touchdown.

Probably depends on the quality of the opponent’s return game.

by Fsued on Feb 24, 2012 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

I hope they don't "coach" him to do anything.

He’s got one more year then he’s NFL bound…It’d be sad to see him screw up his kicking motion to accomodate some BS rule change. We’ll live with it for one year IMO. Cut him loose and let him boom them as far as possible. I hope he hits a gator fan or two in the dome in the opposing end zone.

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by CornNole on Feb 24, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, because people will grow so disenchanted with the concussions that they'll stop watching.

The Super Bowl will be just too unbearable. People will stop playing football. Sure.

by jmnpb996 on Feb 24, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

No, its because Football will get sued out of existence at the HS level

if it doesn’t get a handle on the concussion issue. Right now the NFL is facing multiple concussion related lawsuits, obviously at the HS level the pain threshold for lawsuits is much lower. I do hate this rule and don’t think it will do a ton to reduce concussions.

by FSUAlum04 on Feb 24, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It is about the liability lawsuits...

With the lawsuits facing the NFL, if they succeed you will see lawsuits against the colleges, high schools and youth football. The costs of insurance will be staggering. I soon expect colleges and even high schools to have players undergo medical exams to show they have no previous concussions. Especially with the high schools, the players will be responsible for the costs of such exams.

by Number99fla on Feb 24, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems like a token effort to me.

I do see some hard hits on kickoffs, but if we put together a compilation of hardest FSU hits over the past few years, most wouldn’t be on kickoffs, right?

It would seem that at best this would marginally reduce the number of concussions, at best. To me this rule change seems like lame, half-hearted attempt at reducing concussions, and seems to support the idea that the game is too dangerous to play.

Societal acceptance of sports that intentionally inflict head trauma seems to be growing (MMA, UFC, etc…) yet football changes its rules…

I’m not saying I’m convinced that this isi wrong, just I haven’t figured out how to make sense of it yet.

by IndyFSUnole on Feb 24, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, it's definately a token effort.

If you wanted to limit concussions, you’d change (or try to change) other aspects of the game (e.g., penalizing throws over the middle; the point of impact for lineman). The purpose of this kind of rule change is to make it LOOK like they are making reasonable steps to limit concussions without grossly altering the nature of the game. I mean, it’s pretty hard to argue that college football will be less compelling to watch because the KO was moved 5 yards.

by Meehl on Feb 24, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Studies have shown it isn’t the big hits, as much as the repetitive small shots that cause the brain problems later in life. Trying to encourage touchbacks is supposed to eliminate a play that causes lots of trauma. I agree it is token in the effect that it is only one play and not a very common occurring one.

Also, making touchbacks be at the 25 encourages kicking teams to sky the ball and avoid touchbacks, so it seems these moves are counter productive to each other.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 24, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I said something similar above, before reading this far down (you posted first). I agree that it might not be as good a move as it would appear to be. Let’s see if the practice plays out like the theory.

by Invictus13 on Feb 24, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Great minds

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by RollNole5 on Feb 25, 2012 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't expect us to field a lot of kickoffs this season anyway.

And I expect even fewer returns allowed. D Hop’s kickoffs will likely land somewhere on Champions Way.

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by Jamil Dawson on Feb 24, 2012 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

Sure

I know my username is misspelled

by unconqured15 on Feb 24, 2012 3:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Fail. Sure kicking from the 35 helps protect the players.

But now hopkins is gonna be dropping bombs on the student section.

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by unconqured15 on Feb 24, 2012 3:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I hope we let Bracy and Los take them out still

Even from 5 yards deep they ought to consistently reach the 20, and 5 yards is worth the potential big return. I do worry that it will get slightly harder to add young depth since kickoff team for freshman year is becoming moot.

by ACC_Apologist on Feb 24, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

NFL this season

teams seemed to return from 3-5 yards deep in the endzone, any further take the touchback. I guess the thought was kind of like punts inside the 20. Stand at the 10 (or for ko stand at the back of letters in endzone). The 25 yard touchback seems to defeat the purpose though, b/c, as many others have said, kick for the 5 yd line to goalline and let the coverage pin them.

by RANOLE on Feb 26, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Just like the NFL

(No fun league). Why don’t we just put flags on the players hips and eliminate tackling all together? I HATE this namby pamby BS. Kick off returns are arguably the most exciting play in any game and they are all but eliminating it.

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by xfactor159 on Feb 24, 2012 3:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Hell yeah, really, why don't we put a skirt on the players and change their names to Nancy, Susan, Mary, Debbie, and Alashawandre, while we are at it?

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by FrankDNole on Feb 24, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

If there was a vote

for “Poster most likely to walk up to Tim Jernigan and call him Nancy”, xfactor gets my vote. He’ll probably call him the c word and spit in his face just to make sure he got his point across.

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by CornNole on Feb 24, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess that means

Its time for me to make sure my life insurance policy is in order

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by xfactor159 on Feb 24, 2012 8:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Believe me, I’m not dogging any players for this. I’m just perturbed that the governing bodies are changing things that made football the #1 sport in the country. You can’t breath on a QB anymore without getting a flag (unless of course you’re an FSU opponent), if you’re an LB you better not try and hit a receiver going over the middle or else you’ll get tosses ( see Nigel Bradham). Its just not the same game I grew up playing and loving and I honestly think eventually it will be the downfall of the sport. Just one mans opinion, sorry if I offended anyone.

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by xfactor159 on Feb 24, 2012 6:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

*tossed

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by xfactor159 on Feb 24, 2012 6:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No offensive taken. It was an attempt at a lame joke piggybacking off your comment.

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by FrankDNole on Feb 25, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Alashawandre played for FAMU...

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by DRusso97 on Feb 26, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

the sky

It’s falling

by HOOSIER NOLE on Feb 25, 2012 8:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Kicking high on kick-offs

Count me among those who think this means teams with average kickers benefit. The reason I say that is that I’m just not sure how easy it is to kick a teed ball for height as well as distance.

Maybe a different question if the rules allow a punt-style kick-off after scores, but that’s 65 yards to the end zone. Could a guy like Shawn Powell make that tactic pay off?

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by NoleFanMark on Feb 24, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Vomit

That is all

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by caine115 on Feb 24, 2012 4:42 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Pussification

of America continues. @ussies.

Next thing you know they’ll ban mid-field pre-game fights.

by Blazenole on Feb 24, 2012 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

Blazenole's comment might be

a bit simplistic. Players are much bigger, faster and stronger than when the rules were first drawn up. I’ve never suffered a concussion like the ones experienced by college football players and I won’t presume to say the rules shouldn’t change.

Should a guy’s brains be scrambled for life when he’s still playing for free? NFL? Maybe a different discussion ‘cause they’re getting paid, but even they’ve changed the rules.

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by NoleFanMark on Feb 24, 2012 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

Sometimes simple is better

Risk is a fact of life and in football. Players are bigger and stronger but the protection and equipment have come light years in development and in technology.

Also, the rules have changed primarily due to LIABILITY and lawsuits and to a lesser degree for safety. On the field and off. In football and in life.

by Blazenole on Feb 24, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

true you can choose...

but that does not mean the rules have to be static. You’re talking about asking guys who are 18 to come up with a reasonable appreciation of the risks and implications of a concussion. If I were a parent, I’d want the NCAA to at least think about such things.

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by NoleFanMark on Feb 24, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

As that parent you should ensure your 18 year old has an appreciation of the risks and implications of a concussion as well.

I also think the rules should evolve just as the measurables of the players has but educating players and their parents/support systems about the risks would be better than those same parents simply waiting on the NCAA to do something.

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by Jamil Dawson on Feb 24, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

A novel proposition

18 year olds who think they’re immortal. Seriously, are you going to pretend that’s not a factor? Do you know anything at all about human nature?

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by NoleFanMark on Feb 24, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you know anything at all about human nature?

This quote reminds me of the time at a 7-11 a meathead delivery driver yelled at the Indian clerk “YOUR BRAIN SUCKS”

by jmnpb996 on Feb 24, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It's more common sense than novel.

We know the athletes, whether 18 or 38, are going to play. They will do whatever it takes to get on and remain on the field. That’s how they’re wired. The people those athletes listen to need to be knowledgable about concussions as well. That process should begin at the lowest levels.

If you’re a parent and you’re content to put all of this on the NCAA and do nothing more, you are failing your child.

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by Jamil Dawson on Feb 24, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're the NCAA

and you leave it to the parents, you’re failing the players.

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by NoleFanMark on Feb 24, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

I said I also agree the rules should evolve. Educating players’ parents is in addition to that which is why I used “as well” more than once. I never disagreed with you.

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by Jamil Dawson on Feb 27, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Ironically

I’d like to see the stats that support their argument for changing the rules. They said returns are where most injuries occur, well duh. Statistically, it is the only play where you have 11 on 11 moving the most from a greater distance. Further, rules (blocking, etc.) have reduced injuries on other plays.

Kinda like the stat that says most car accidents happen within 3 miles of one’s house.

Finally, so if injuries drop on kick-offs, and only then the most injuries occur on tackling, then they’ll say we need to stop tackles and go to flags because most injuries occur then. See a pattern?

by Blazenole on Feb 24, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

that's a little absurd, isn't it?

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by NoleFanMark on Feb 24, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

If your goal is to eliminate concussions, where does it end?

I think some of the hits refs, conferences, and the NFL deem illegal are absurd as they are inherently apart of the game.

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by Jamil Dawson on Feb 24, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If the NCAA really wanted to elimited concussions, they'd eliminate football (and wrestling, and gymnastics, and everything else in which concussions regularly happen)

Because the NCAA isn’t eliminating concussions, we can conclude that eliminating concussions isn’t the purpose of this action.

by Meehl on Feb 24, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Who said...

the goal is to eliminate concussions?

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by NoleFanMark on Feb 24, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I boo both of you gentelmen :-)

The NCAA has admitted (in their own literature) to creating several rules designed to prevent the injury. Once they occur, there are certainly plans in place to ensure they athlete doesn’t return prematurely but never think they don’t want to eliminate them completely.

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by Jamil Dawson on Feb 27, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Over/under on Hopkins kick-off fair catches *not* in the endzone?

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by ricobert1 on Feb 24, 2012 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

2?

Don’t know that it will be that many. Depends on how many games we’re kicking off in a late game scenario in the lead by less than a TD. Other than that scenario, I think we’ll see a bunch of high kicks landing near the goal line +/- 3-4 yards.

by BenDNole on Feb 24, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it would be too easy to just boot it through the endzone every time. I think bouncing, end over end kicks or high arching pooch kicks would be more effective. Why be a brute and automatically give it to them at the 25?

Another option is whether it has to be kicked from a tee? From your 35 to their 25 is only 40 yards. I would venture to guess most college kickers could kick it 50 with hang time so that potentially forces a fair catch at the opponents 15 rather than the 25.

Speaking as someone who has had far too many concussions for a single person including two on kick returns, I am in favor of this rule. Using your brain a little here is potentially better IMO that just kicking it through the uprights.

by ttubasketball on Feb 24, 2012 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

I was going to say...

I’d like to hear from someone who has had a concussion on one of these plays.

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by NoleFanMark on Feb 24, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I was a “front line” guy on kickoff returns. And perhaps I wasn’t big enough to be a true “wedge” and still wasn’t fast enough to get downfield properly and set, but the contact between the “wedge busters” and “wedge” was brutal for me. First I had to wait until I ensured there was no onside kick, then turn and sprint to form a wedge. By this time the wedge busters had a 10 yard sprint on my. By the time you got set in your wedge and turned around, you, or perhaps mostly I, got my ass knocked off. I have always thought, from an admittedly biased point of view, that kickoffs were extremely dangerous. I don’t know that this necessarily stops it because there are two options:

  • Kick it through the uprights and thus no kick returns

  • Try a pooch or some other form of a kickoff as I have suggested
  • So who knows what will happen.

    by ttubasketball on Feb 24, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

    I just don't think we'll see that many fair catches at the 15.

    To me, if you’re putting that much air under the ball, you’re giving the return guys enough time to run under the ball, and I just don’t see many fair catches in that case.

    by BenDNole on Feb 24, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

    No doubt they could get under the ball, as they do with punts, but when the kickoff team is right in their face they likely won’t attempt a return.

    by ttubasketball on Feb 24, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

    I guess.

    I could see the 25, maybe the 20. At the 15, I think you’d see mostly returns.

    by BenDNole on Feb 24, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

    I really don't like the 25 yard line thing.

    I’m not as bothered by the other two changes.

    Overall, it doesn’t make sense to me to say “Kickoff returns are too dangerous. Let’s not eliminate the problem. Let’s just have fewer of a play that we recognize is too dangerous.” To me, it’s all or nothing: either the play is too dangerous to be within the limits of the game, or it is not. If it’s too dangerous, it should be eliminated or changed in a meaningful way. This doesn’t reach the threshold for meaningful change to me.

    Putting the touchback for kickoffs at the 25 and for punts and fumbles at the 20 is confusing and inconsistent. It won’t be confusing for people who read this site, but for plenty of people it will be one of those things they just can’t remember about the game.

    Also, this would seem to have an impact on things like how many yards in offense can be gained by a team or player, and how many points are scored. The impact of this is unlikely to be factored into historical records, thus meaning we once again end up comparing apples and oranges.

    by IndyFSUnole on Feb 24, 2012 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

    Agree. If they absolutely had to make a change, they should have put the kickoff at the 35 and left touchbacks alone.

    Most of us were probably introduced to CFB when it was kickoffs from the 35 anyway, so no big response from fans.

    by 38Noles on Feb 24, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

    Yup, the 25 thing bugs me.

    If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.

    by Kazoonole on Feb 24, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

    Agree on the 25 yard line issue

    I guess it would give the return team more reason to stay in the end-zone, but it will give the KO team equal reason for more KOs in the 0-5 yard line range.

    by BenDNole on Feb 24, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

    Agreed, I commented before I got this far down about the counter-productivity of the rules.

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    by RollNole5 on Feb 24, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

    That's exactly the reason.

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    by CornNole on Feb 24, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

    On the kickoff return thing, I remember reading somewhere (maybe even here)

    if you really wanted to get rid of kickoff returns because of how dangerous they were, they had a suggestion where you got the ball back on your 20 after you scored, but the down was 4th and 15, which led to more punts replacing kickoffs while leaving the option of a fake punt to replace onside kicks or simply going for it with 2 minutes left.

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    by Kazoonole on Feb 24, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

    I heard about that today.

    Will never happen IMO. Much too crazy. Jesus won’t allow it

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    by CornNole on Feb 24, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

    Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curveball??

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    by DRusso97 on Feb 26, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

    If KOs are that dangerous

    Why not go Canadian and have three downs? That should reduce the scoring, shouldn’t it? = fewer KOs.

    by Invictus13 on Feb 24, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

    LOS

    All the more reason fro him to move to offense, there will not be as many opportunities for him to showcase his talents.

    Having him play defense is like Anquan Holding being in a Jeff Bowden offense…..waste of talent.

    by patriotnole on Feb 25, 2012 9:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

    kicker and 5 yards ruining start

    Is the kicker constrained to 5 yards running start? Kickers usually line up about 4 yards for a field goal and 10 yards for a kick off. The 5 yard rule, if applied to kickers, may shorten their max distance. Most college kickers can kick the ball 55-60 yards with a 4 yard approach. The use of a tee would add a few extra yards. Elite kickers with elite coverage will go for high kicks that land inside the 5.

    by bigkoi on Feb 25, 2012 9:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

    a little bit of that could be solved by rounding the approach

    starting out even more to the left, but then of course you’re more in danger of hooking the kick out of bounds.

    by stevib on Feb 27, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

    I'm hoping this will encourage more on-side kickoff attempts.

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    by FrankDNole on Feb 25, 2012 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

    In 2009 our best defensive play was the onside kick and our best defensive lineup was the onside kickoff lineup.

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    by FSUvaFan on Feb 25, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

    it appears...

    That kick-offs do not have to be done from a tee, but the only alternate is to drop-kick it, which seems to mean the ball has to hit the ground first (http://bit.ly/cB3OZX). Scroll down to FR-51 for the rules for kickoffs and then to the bottom of page FR-50 for the definition of a drop kick.

    So much for punting.

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    by NoleFanMark on Feb 25, 2012 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

    Drop kicks?

    Returning to rugby. You can get good hang time on a rugby ball with a drop kick. A Rugby ball is rounder and shaped better for kicking and bouncing. Not sure if a football would be easy to drop kick based on it’s shape being streamlined for the passing game.

    by bigkoi on Feb 25, 2012 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

    That's my impression, too

    I think a football is just too difficult to control to do drop-kicks, plus I think it’s asking an awful lot to assume you can get as much wind underneath it compared to a straight punt.

    I once sought to be above reproach, then I discovered being beneath contempt was much less work

    by NoleFanMark on Feb 25, 2012 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

    Who remembers 1984?

    Concussions weren’t the issue. Too many kickers busting it out the back of the end zone was. Kickoffs were from the forty that year. A ball that landed out of the back of the end zone was put at the thirty! I can still hear our coach explaining to our All American kicker that he wanted him to kick it sixty nine yards! That rule quickly died.

    I am all for our returnees bringing it out from seven yards deep and taking a chance.

    It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden

    by Sobering on Feb 25, 2012 3:50 PM EST reply actions  


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