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Very Early Thoughts and Questions on 2012 Starters

In another forum, I was writing out what I projected to be our starting line-up come the start of the 2012 season. What started as a list, turned in a 3 part mini-series that will be airing on AMC this fall. So I thought I would flush it out even more and revive it as a FanPost at TN where I know the awesome fanbase here would (hopefully) accept it.

I am going to list out my thoughts on who I think will be the starters of the 2012 FSU squad. As a disclaimer, I will say that I do not consider myself an "expert", so along with including my opinions on the positions and players I will also ask questions about things that I do not know or that I want to know.

Star-divide

Offense

QB:
E.J. Manuel - I would have liked to see what our season would have looked like had EJ not gone down with a shoulder injury in the third game of the season. Playing through an injury all season, I thought EJ was very average, although very inconsistent. Hopefully another year in the system, remaining healthy all season, and a more experienced offensive line will allow EJ to get to a higher level. However, I think for this season to be a great success, EJ will not have to become the "ultimate playmaker". The key for EJ next year is to try and not make many critical mistakes.

RB:
Devonta Freeman - One of my favorite players on the team, I think Devonta will be able to be the offenses #1 RB (unfortunately I agree with most that CT will not be able to play again) and excel tremendously. With another year, all the holes that he missed he may now be able to find and there will probably be more holes due to a more experienced O-Line.

Delmarick Pender - I suspect this EE will have enough talent to immediately jump to the #2 RB position and will have plenty of chances due to FSU RBBC system. Pender brings us speed at the RB position that we haven't had for a while now, and bring a threat of scoring whenever he touches the ball. However, you always worry about younger backs' ability in pass protection. It is the hardest part of going from HS to college. If he can't get his pass pro together he may limit his touches, specifically on 3rd down.

James Wilder Jr. - I am among the group who is very critical of Wilder. I think he should be playing LB as I don't think he has shown enough at RB. However I think a lack of depth at RB will keep him here. Who else could pass JWJ on the depth chart? I haven't heard anything about Eric Beverly, so I don't think he is an option. Debrale Smiley is more of a FB than a RB. The only other player I could see playing RB for us is Lonnie Pryor and that would be limited to only one back sets. I think that next year when another talent freshmen comes in and once again passes JWJ on the depth chart then his only option will be to move to LB.

WR:
Rodney Smith - Now entering his senior season the 6'6" wideout will remain to be EJ's #1 option. Rodney makes a great deep option with his size and speed, and hopefully EJ and him can connect on a few that they missed last year.

Rashad Greene - The freshmen phenom will continue his terror on the ACC next season. The only worry about him is if he can stay healthy the whole year, which I don't see as a major problem.

Kenny Shaw - An excellent route runner with excellent hands makes for a favorite target for the QB. Once again, the only worries you have with Kenny is if he has become concussion prone.

Christian Green - The infamous 1-yard-line-wonder will final defeat his fear of the endzone and really step up his game. Extremely athletic and was perhaps not ready to be a major contributor last year but was forced into starting due to terrible injury luck. However as Bud has noted this was probably for the best as it helped with Christian's development and probably made him into a better player in the long run.

Jarred "Scooter" Haggins - I think Scooter will be the 5th best receiver next year. He is a good route runner and a reliable target for EJ. Once again a common theme is health. Missing most of last season with a broken hand, hopefully he recovers well and stays away from black cats and walking under ladders.

Willie Haulstead - Will Willie play next year? Will he play ever again? If he does play, where is he on the depth chart? I have always like Willie but it seems like there are a lot of question marks surrounding him as of now. I have never seen a player be held out an entire season due to a concussion they received before the season even started. One could only imagine that it was incredibly serious, or, the more likely scenario that Bud pointed out, that it was not his first one. I think if he comes back he has a lot of work to do. Suddenly FSU is filled with talent at the WR position and Willie is on the outside looking in.

TE:
Nick O'Leary - TE is not a position that FSU has had success with in the recent past but hopefully this year will be different. Hopefully now that Volstud NOL has had a full offseason he will have learned the playbook completely. I would also advise spending a little extra time catching ball from EJ, as EJ didn't seem to be looking for NOL very much when he was in on offense.

Christo Kourtzidis - I expect Christo to be one of the only freshmen who makes a significant impact for the Seminoles this year. A big physical TE who can block and is surprisingly athletic is a good match for what the Seminoles already have at TE in NOL.

OL:
Probably the place with the most question marks heading into next season. I have no idea who will start so I will only project who I think SHOULD start at the offensive line this coming season.

Bobby Hart (OT) / Josue Matias (OG) / Austin Barron (C) / Tre Jackson (OG) / Daniel Glauser (OT)

Bobby Hart - The freshmen starter at RT for most of this season I think should start next season as well. Although if Menelik Watson beats out Hart I would not be opposed to that as well.

Josue Matias - Huge, monstrous man and is the only player that I think HAS to be starting come next season.

Austin Barron - The 2 star C out of STA gets the vote from me simply because my least favorite player last year was Bryan Stork. I understood people's problems with Krug being bad but I though Stork was significantly worse. Not sure if that is true or not but it is true enough for me.

Tre Jackson - I like Tre Jackson because of his potential and youth. However I could see Garrett Faircloth beating out Jackson for the spot. I thought Faircloth was one of the bright spots on an otherwise terrible line.

Daniel Glauser - I give the Swiss Cheese (bad nickname?) the edge in starting of Dr. Watson (good nickname?) just because he is a EE and should have more time to gel and learn the playbook.


Defense

DL:

This is a hard category just because there are so many player who contribute. I think most people know a lot about our defensive line and I feel like I don't have very much to say that hasn't already been said.

Also something that I have always had trouble with is distinguishing the difference in the two DT positions. If someone could explain it to me or point me to an article that explains it, it would be very much appreciated.

LB:

Christian Jones - I think we all know what a great player and freak athlete CJ is and unfortunately will probably only be here for one more year. We all knew that he was a 3 and gone type player and if he stays it would be shocking to me.

Jeff Luc - I would like Luc to finally crack the line-up and show us all why he was so highly rated coming in. Unfortunately this is only a wish as I could see Vince Williams taking over Nigel Bradham's spot as well.

Telvin Smith - I would like to see Telvin become the full-time starter at MLB, but unless he adds more weight in the offseason I see a similar situation as last season occuring.

CB:

Xavier Rhodes - One of the most talented players on our defense (and that is saying something) and I think most of our fans know that. Unfortunately, like CJ, I can only see Rhodes at FSU for one more year. One thing I would like to see is for ESPN to realize that Rhodes is our best corner. It seems like whenever they bring up players on our defense it is always Greg Reid and Brandon Jenkins. I just wish he got the national love he deserves.

Greg Reid - I am a fan of Greg Reid. I think some people underrate his skills as a corner. The focus is all on what he doesn't do than what he does do. However I think everyone knows his skills as an excellent punt returner.

Nickel and DIme - Who will be the nickel and dime cornerbacks? With the loss of Mike Harris there is now a big void at those positions. I am pretty sure that Nick Waisome will take one of those spots but the other I am not sure. I have heard a lot about Tyler Hunter possibly filling that role which is fine with me.

S:

Lamarcus Joyner - As many on TN know, the MOST important player on defense and also one of the best. Joyner's range is incredible, he hits like a freight train, and he covers like a corner. I expect him to be great in 2012, and probably come back for the next year as well. Although it is possible he does leave for the NFL, I feel the most comfortable with him staying due to the NFL not liking his height,

Terrence Brooks - I really like this safety combination. Two rangy safeties who tackle well and can even play corner if needed. Terrence will fill the hole at safety by the departure of Terrance Parks. There is only a hole at that safety because Parks was out of position and left it wide open.

K;

Dustin Hopkins - Lou Groza finalist who will kick far and paint his shoes gold.

P:

Cason Beatty - It will be hard to replace an consensus All-American in Shawn Powell, but Cason has EE'd so that helps a bit in the transition.

Things I would like to know people's opinion of:
A) What you think the O-Line should look like.
2) What do you think the depth chart at WR should look like
D) Who do you think will step in at the nickel and dime spots

Thanks for reading!

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Did I miss mention of Karlos Williams?

He will likely see a significant amount of snaps on offense at WR as well. Stork looked much better than Barron later in the season imo.

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by cerebralfish on Feb 3, 2012 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

No you didn't.

Karlos will see significant snaps at WR, but a significant amount? I don’t think so.

I don’t know what it is about Stork but I really dislike him. Probably because of a misconception I have held over from the beginning of the season that I have painted over the rest of his season.

by Logan Syverson on Feb 3, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

IMO Los is FSU's best athelet

and will make a HUGE impact on Offense in 2012.I understand how deep we are at WR but again Los is a freak! IMO he will take snaps from everyone and see the field as much as anyone at that position. Can you see him blocking for Bracy on a bubble screen or running a 9 rout to draw the safety and free up man to man coverage on Green, Greene or Bracy? I can’t wait!! Not only is he a great athlete, he’s our best player recruiter and needs a much bigger on field role in 2012.

by FSUALLTHEDAMNTIME! on Feb 7, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

That is basically what I am saying.

Karlos is extremely talented and if he plays on offense he will make a big impact. However I disagree that he will “see the field as much as anyone at that position”. That is definitely not true. Karlos will only be in on special packages designed to get the ball in his hands.

by Logan Syverson on Feb 7, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Los as a RB better than as a WR. Like his physicalness as a blocker and explosion out of the backfield.

We already have plenty at WR.
I would venture to bet that Los would beat out JWJ at RB, convincing him to flip to LB.

by NoleLaw on Feb 3, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for formatting this well

OL hardest to predict. Bringing in 2 JUCO means some young guy(s) is/are going to RS this year.

Hart is your LT. Will go on a limb here and predict that Krug turns it around and earns an interior spot, sending either Barron or Matias to RS. Jackson is special and is your RG. Watson/Glauser battle it out for RT, with Faircloth as darkhorse starter or depth guy at RG/RT.

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by ricobert1 on Feb 3, 2012 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

No chance we move Jackson to C

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by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 3:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Don't think Hart or Barron RS

Barron did a fine job at C until he got butterflies in the UM game. It takes some experience to call out the line responsibilities; not easy to replace, so I doubt he shirts. Hart has more exp. than any of the frosh OLs from last year. Game experience is something sorely lacking, so I don’t think we can afford to RS him. As we saw with Krug, practice development and game performance can be two different things.

by NoleLaw on Feb 3, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Matias starts. he can not & SHOULD NOT RedShirt.

All these talented bodies mean that some people are going to get lost in the shuffle. Only pretty much guaranteed starters I see are Hart at LT and Matias at 1 of the OG spots. I also think Glauser starts at either RT or RG. Watson is a HUGE wildcard—wish he was an EE.

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by DRusso97 on Feb 3, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: EE's

Are the position coaches allowed to coach players before the spring? I know the players can practice together, but does EE make any difference in time being coached?

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by SoCalNole on Feb 4, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.....you get an entire spring in.

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by DRusso97 on Feb 4, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I personally feel pretty good about the OL, but understand why some are worried given last years results.

Not going to predict exact starters, but think we can get 2 starting OT out of the following group:

Hart
Glauser
Watson
[Matias]
Faircloth

2 OG starters from this:
Matias
Krug
Jackson
Orelus
[Faircloth]

And 1 C starter from this:
Stork
Barron

by TuckNole on Feb 3, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I see all of the starters in the Champs Bowl

projected to start in 2012, with Glauser at RT. It’s their starting jobs to lose—all other OL must convincingly beat out these guys. What they did against ND’s top 10 front 7 in the 2nd half was very impressive.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Feb 4, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

addendum:

the 4 Frosh Champs starters had 15 (or so) practices which allowed them to jell together… wait until they add an entire spring & fall.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Feb 4, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that Krug and Stork will push in the spring and could win back their spots.

I also think that it isn’t guaranteed that the Juco guys can jump ahead of Faircloth/Matias (which ever one takes snaps at RT).

by TuckNole on Feb 7, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Good write-up and funny quip regarding the hole at safety.

I am more concerned about LB depth than I am RB depth, which makes me wonder if Wilder should start hanging out with Hudson more than Gran. I know it was mentioned on here sometime before, but what about “hits like a truck, plays out of position like a 4 year-old” Nick Moody? Safety/LB hybrid anyone? With his speed and hitting ability and experience at safety (albeit questionable), I’d like to think he could contribute at LB, especially on passing downs. Cross-train that man and let him provide depth at both spots.

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by NorCarNole on Feb 3, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Moody is depth at LB & special teams stalwart, IMO....if Karlos stays put.

Could stay at S for depth if Karlos goes to O as reported here.

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by DRusso97 on Feb 3, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Has he been moved to LB, or is that just you opinion?

I realize you put “IMO”, but I wasn’t sure which part was your “O”.

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by NorCarNole on Feb 3, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know/think that Moody is moved to LB if Karlos stays at Safety.

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by DRusso97 on Feb 4, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I would still move him..

He’s already 230 so no need to bulk up to move to LB. We have others that hopefully can add depth at safety and Moody can always move back if really needed

by FSUALLTHEDAMNTIME! on Feb 7, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

what if we moved karlos to lb, he could help relieve Christian Jones and he has the body size and style of play to fill that role? I am not a fan of moody (not that I don’t like an enforcer on the D love that part about him) because he is way to big a liability, less at LB but too much of a liability in coverage.

by matticoti on Feb 4, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Better to move Moody to LB than Los.

How many snaps would Los or anyone else backing up C.Jones see? Put another way, do you think Los would see more snaps backing up Brooks, backing up Jones, or playing O? Terrence Smith has very good speed too if you’re looking for a fast LB. I think Los would play into the S position better than the LB position if not moved to O. I don;‘t think anyone is hanging up the idea of Los playing S, but he’s explosive enough to try to get him some snaps at O. I recall that we tried G5 in the wildcat for the same reasons and that experiment was a miserable failure. Los has different skills, size, and speed, so this experiment might actually work.
Keep in mind, he has only had a single season and he didn’t EE. Our other guys struggled a bit in their first season with Stoops even after having Spring ball.

by NoleLaw on Feb 4, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure.

More like the difference between a NT, NG, UT, DT. There seems to be a lot of different ways to classify a DT depending on scheme and would like to know the difference between the two in our system.

by Logan Syverson on Feb 3, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

NT, NG, and 1 tech are typically the same thing. The number is the alignment of the lineman based on the OL. 1 tech is shaded to either side of the center on their shoulder. Usually the primary responsibilty here is to hold their ground and not get moved, vice getting in the backfield. Obviously, that is a bonus if they can.

3 tech, DT lineup between the guard and tackle. They are generally the more penetrating/disruptive of the 2. (Not TSG/TWSS)

Not sure why I used 5 tech in my original post. That is usually used by DE in a 3-4.

I’m not incredibly proficient with the defensive language, however, so someone may be able to add more or correct me. A lifelong QB thinks of it in terms of holes, vice technique of the DL.

by nolefansam on Feb 3, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

11-tech?

Is this the alignment of LSU DE’s 2 players wide of the OT’s lol.

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by SoCalNole on Feb 4, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

That's just called a "wide-9". The Eagles played a lot of it this season, and MA pioneered it.

I don’t like that alignment from a fundamental standpoint….too easy to run underneath.

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by DRusso97 on Feb 4, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree.

I live in PA and saw a lot of the Eagles. I would run off taclke all day and make the linebackers flow hard. Playaction will get them all day after a few of those runs.

by nolefansam on Feb 4, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Lions did that this year

which is how you take one of the top 3 D-lines in the NFL and become the 24th ranked rush defense.

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by Kazoonole on Feb 6, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Missed Krug on the OL

I think he steps up this spring/fall and gets a starting nod.

by Croatian on Feb 3, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Krug was the worst example of Coach Hype + FAIL that I've seen in a long time.

I don’t blame him for that. I just hope you’re right.

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by PeachTreeNole on Feb 7, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

That particular OL doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

I am also not to fond of the idea of playing to Free Safeties.
I’m not sure who will be starting on the D line but the player combination that I think would be most dangerous is
DE Jenkins
DT Erving
DT Jernigan
DE Werner

by Nole300 on Feb 3, 2012 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Who would you prefer to Brooks at safety?

by nolefansam on Feb 3, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Ideally it would be Los or Moody.

Maybe Tyler Hunter if he can put on 10 or 15 more lbs. I just prefer to have one true SS playing. And I would also like to have Brooks move into Mike Harris’ spot. I think he would excel there.

by Nole300 on Feb 3, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I get the need to play Brooks at safety

and I am OK with that. Just not fond of playing to FSs. that is all I was saying

by Nole300 on Feb 3, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He's big and a great tackler

I don’t know why you think he’s a FS too.

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by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 3:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

He's really not big

And He is a solid tackler, not a hitter. And we’ve yet to see him in run support for the most pat. again I really like Brooks’ game, and this is not a knock on him. for size comparisons

T. Brooks 5-11, 193
T. Parks 6-2, 218
N. Moody 6-2, 226
Los 6-2, 227

By no means is Brooks big

by Nole300 on Feb 3, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

LJ20 is only 5'6"/175lbs......but he doesn't seem to have a problem hitting.

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by DRusso97 on Feb 3, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He's listed at 5-8, 202. Not sure what that has to o with anything I said though

I think my point is that Brooks and LJ20 are very similar players that don’t exactly compliment each other as safeties. Both are more the FS type.

by Nole300 on Feb 3, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Hyperbole

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by DRusso97 on Feb 4, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

mobile rec

For the analogy

by nolesdude on Feb 3, 2012 12:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

That brings up

a couple of vivid mental images.

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by millpond on Feb 7, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Brooks would excel at Harris' spot but...

I think Brooks can make a greater impact at one of the safety positions.
I think he could fill the role of a traditional SS (our FS) pretty well. He is a good tackler, although I am not so sure he is a great run stopper at the safety position (hopefully he wont have to due to our DL and LB). Another option is that Joyner could make a great traditional SS with his hard hitting and great tackling but that also takes away Joyner’s great range and ability to cover lots of ground that you would get putting him at the traditional FS spot.

by Logan Syverson on Feb 3, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure I could hate this post any more.

The need for a true SS is based on additional run support. With a DL that will keep the LBs out of the wash, another body should not be needed in the box. In addition, those 2 mentioned are sure tacklers. LJ lays people out and Brooks has had his fair share of hits on ST.

Moody is a constant liability and was passed over on the depth chart by Brooks come the end of the season. Los couldn’t even get on the field defensively. I’m not sure why they would be able to provide more than the guy in front of them going into next year.

by nolefansam on Feb 3, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you missed where I said "Ideally"

I am not suggesting that Brooks should not start. I never said anything close to that. Just said I am not fond of starting 2 Free Safeties.

And I’d like to think that our safety won’t be needed in run support but There were times when it was needed. Like against Wake.

by Nole300 on Feb 3, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to agree with nolefansam on this.

Would you rather have a guy who’s a harder hitter while being a complete liability in pass coverage, or a guy who’s a very good tackler and great in pass coverage. Stoops loves versatility in his safeties. Guys that do everything very well. This lends to much more creativity in defensive looks. When they put Moody out there there, what do you think the odds are that everyone on the field knows he’s playing run support?

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by SoCalNole on Feb 4, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes. I'd also prefer that Benjamin suddenly learn how to use his abilities to become FSU's greatest receiver ever.

I seriously doubt either will happen. Maybe LOS sticks at safety, but he will not start this year.

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by SoCalNole on Feb 4, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That KB statement is a much bigger stretch,

But in the end that is all i was getting at. That I would prefer 1 big safety to pair with LJ20. That is the ideal situation which is why i said ideally. The same way Goldman and Jernigan compliment eachother on the D line as a big space eater and a penetrater respectively. There are certain ways I would like to have our players compliment each other. That’s all i am getting at. I am not saying start Los or Moody even though Brooks is better. Nothing like that at all

by Nole300 on Feb 4, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I get what your saying, but I think that applies more to DT's then safeties.

I used to think the same thing, but I think that just comes from a traditional mindset. In the modern game there is so much spread stuff where teams break you down in space, and it is invaluable to have two safeties who have great range and are good in run support. If you look back at last season, you will not see one safety constantly in the box with the other in center field. Stoops moves them around a lot, never letting the offense figure out where either one is going to be.

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by SoCalNole on Feb 4, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, not looking for big hits to come from the secondary.

That’s what our DLine is for :)

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by SoCalNole on Feb 4, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Not me. Why would someone have a bias for any player?

The best player should play, period, be it Brooks, Moody,or Los.

Right now that is Brooks and that’s who I want to start. If Los passes him, great. At that point I want Los to play.

by nolefansam on Feb 4, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Los was also a true freshman who was still learning the position.

Let’s see if he has worked hard this offseason and the light has come on for him. It would be more ideal for him to blossom at that safety spot than it would be to throw him into what seems like an endless list of WRs.

by FSUActuary on Feb 3, 2012 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I understand but the OL

does have plenty of talented players. They were simply rushed onto the field way too soon because of injuries. IMO we’ll see a similar progression from that unit that we saw from the 09 to 2010 defense.

by FSUALLTHEDAMNTIME! on Feb 7, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we make the move to a 5-2-4...

With the D-line talent we have…
DE Jenkins
DT Erving
DT Jernigan
DT/DE Bjorn “Blitzkrieg” Werner
DE Carradine

I’m just saying… Good luck running the ball and having your third-string QB not transfer during half-time.

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by NorCarNole on Feb 3, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

Ummm

I don’t think we’ll be going to a 5 DL front.

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by AMFKNole on Feb 3, 2012 11:56 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I'm glad you caught on to the satirical nature of the post...

I was merely taking the opportunity to point out the great talent and depth we seem to have on the defensive line. I wasn’t actually suggesting an overhaul to the teams basic defensive philosophy.

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by NorCarNole on Feb 3, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I really thought you were on to something. Why not a 6-1-4?

We’re low on LB’s and we drop DE’s into coverage anyway. Let’s get these studs some snaps!

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by SoCalNole on Feb 4, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't stop there!

We’re deep at DE and DB, and lousy at LB – Let’s pioneer the 5-0-4-2. Sure, a team could run wild underneath, but good luck getting beyond our secondary secondary.

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by NorCarNole on Feb 4, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Telvin at OLB, Vince Williams at Mike, CJ7 at OLB.

Brooks and Joyner are awesome at FS/SS. Waisome gets more PT in the secondary. Watson and Glauser both see the 2deep on the O line, one or both could start depending on varying factors i.e. spring ball, fall..etc…etc. Edwards Jr. sees some snaps behind Jenkins/Werner/Tank as well as Goldman. Dawkins, Jernigan, Erving are staples on the D line. Big Rod and Greene are staples in the WR Corp, Shaw takes over for Bert Reed in the slot. Green gets in the rotation as well, not as much as some may want. Pender is 2nd String thanks to an EE. Wilder stays at RB while a copious amount of fans ask WHY? It’s depth or lack there of at RB, really. And it sucks. He’s all LB.

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by Chief03 on Feb 3, 2012 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with everything you said.

I just want Luc to see the field but I guess if he isn’t starting, there is a reason. I think I tend to trust our staff decisions on who to play and they have stated the best man plays regardless of age.

by Logan Syverson on Feb 3, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

so did bradham, but he still found the field

Luc is the exact same player as bradham in my eyes. Although Bradham’s straight-line speed is faster.

by matticoti on Feb 4, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

easy dude

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by Nattylite on Feb 7, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

XD

"Ah, F*ck it"-Lee Corso

by Chief03 on Feb 8, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

If CT makes it back on the field

I wonder if being 4th string pushes JWJ to linebacker.

In his press conference, Jimbo talked a lot about recruits changing to positions they didn’t want to play originally. I think that was more for LOS and JWJ personally.

by vickers8 on Feb 3, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with almost all of the above..

but IMO we’ll see a much better JWJ with a little more experience and blocking in 2012. He’s a down hill back and just needs that little extra support from the O-Line..and I think that unit will be drastically improved. Either way, much too thin at RB for him to move just yet.

by FSUALLTHEDAMNTIME! on Feb 7, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

little xtra from the OL +

some vision

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Feb 10, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey Ace,

You got anymore of that gum?

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by NorCarNole on Feb 3, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey guys

Anyone want to see a picture of me holding a gold AK47 taken when I was on active duty in iraq?

by Meehl on Feb 3, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Why have we wrote Karlos off at S already? Dude has got to start seeing some PT somewhere he is too gifted of an athlete. Weird coincidence, I work with his mother at Walt Disney. Well not directly, she’s in my same role but over another location. Talk about small world i’m tryin to help her all the time! lol

by Happypedro25 on Feb 3, 2012 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

Joyner has one spot locked down and the Brooks is further along and more ready

And that leaves LOS as a back up, and you don’t let a player this talented sit on the bench.

by Meehl on Feb 3, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Cue the "Small World Song"

everybody in the boats.

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Feb 4, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

ever watched our special teams?

Los is a bad man. I personally wouldn’t talk about his mom. Just saying….

by nolesdude on Feb 4, 2012 9:02 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I pretty much agreed with everything

except about Bryan Stork. He isn’t as bad as you are saying. I think Brooks will ge the start ahead of LOS. The Oline is just hard to predict. I have an idea of who could start but trying to predict where on the line they would play is hard.

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by Unconquerednole1022 on Feb 4, 2012 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

Don't care how he does it

But Stoops will get the most talent on the field. Each position will have a couple of capable “next man in” players since we sub out a lot. So think of it like this:

4 DE:
Jenkins
Werner
Carradine
MEJ

4 DT:
Dawkins
McCloud
Jernigan
Erving

5 LB:
Jones
VinceWilliams
Telvin Smith
Luc
Moody

6 DB:
Rhodes
Reid
Joyner
Brooks
Waisome
Karlos Williams

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by TheMarchingChief on Feb 4, 2012 4:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

and even with that, there is a lot left

I think Goldman will be in the 2-deep at LB and wouldn’t be surprised to see Terrence Smith and some of the other secondary guys like Hunter.

by NoleLaw on Feb 4, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

details...

although he might have meant Northrup.

"Defensive lineman and its depth separates southern football from rest of the country".

by PeachTreeNole on Feb 5, 2012 6:50 AM EST up reply actions  

bad flow

just meant Goldman was missing from the list and that I would bet he is in the 2-deep.
Terranence Smith at LB-wouldn’t be surprised if he sees some snaps

by NoleLaw on Feb 5, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Any word on Nigel Terrell's progress?

I feel more like I do now, than I did before

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by HaveNoleOption on Feb 7, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

My understanding is Nigel isn't as good as they thought.

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by Legal_Seminole on Feb 11, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It amazes me to think our 2nd team D line could be Tank, Cam. Timmaayy, and MEJ.

I mean our 2nd team D line would is one of the best D lines in the country. It’s just not fair

by Nole300 on Feb 4, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's fair.

It’s gonna be an awesome show, better bring your popcorn!

by NoleySmokes on Feb 5, 2012 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Whatever happened to Jaccobi McDaniel?

I realize that JMac had a season ending injury last yr, but I think he’ll be in the mix at DT this upcoming yr. Correct me if I am wrong on this one.

by chemenole on Feb 4, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

it seems

that the injury he sustained may be more difficult to come by than thought

by StM on Feb 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's fine

Im no insider, but I’ve been seeing jacobbi and Brandon jenkins at the leach a lot this semester. I go at night 3-4 times a week and I’ve seen them about a half dozen times. I mean I haven’t been paying too much attention so maybe he is still recovering but he hasn’t been in a cast or bandaged and hasnt looked hurting

by kmpnole12 on Feb 6, 2012 10:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If he is at all hampered by the injury's lingering effects

he will not beat out any of the guys listed. If he comes back as strong as he was before the injury, then yes, he will at least be 2d string getting plenty of snaps. From the sounds of it to me, the former is more likely, though I am hoping for the latter.

by WaimeaNole on Feb 5, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

TeamNoles

I can’t wait til the spring game I miss football already. I think that we have good depth every where but RB LB and S, that concerns me if one of those positions is hit hard by injuries, let’s just hope that it’s our time for the football gods to smile down on us….

by Bbett on Feb 5, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

Yes

If he is better than Brooks in practice he will start. Its that simple.

by nolefansam on Feb 6, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Brooks had an extra year in the system. As all our our DBs showed, there can be a significant jump between year 1 under Stoops and year 2. That may be the case with Los, especially considering he wasn’t called on to play a lot of coverages in HS. We’ll have to wait and see if the light bulb goes on.

by NoleLaw on Feb 6, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

we can be hopeful

but it’s disappointing that he didn’t sniff the field.

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Feb 10, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

"Swiss Cheese" is a terrible name for a O lineman.

Although it does describe our pass blocking often last year.

"Defensive lineman and its depth separates southern football from rest of the country".

by PeachTreeNole on Feb 7, 2012 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

Suggestion for a good running Back?

How about we thin Lonnie Pryor down a bit.. he has all the tools and vision (orignally recruited as a RB … converted to Fullback to have his Talent on the field with CT23 …. I personally think he is the best option … leadership and talent wise we have. Smiley and Abram have the Fb spot covered… Just my Opinion….

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by pitbornagain on Feb 10, 2012 2:00 AM EST reply actions  

I fear no man, for the lord is my Shepard, and his will is my striking staff.

by pitbornagain on Feb 10, 2012 2:03 AM EST reply actions  


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