Noles win 58-55 to remain atop the ACC
by Michael Rogner on Feb 4, 2012 3:52 PM EST
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PrintEveryone predicted that this would be an ugly game, and everyone was right. Of course, with two offenses ranked worse than 80th against two defenses in the top-10, that prediction wasn't a hard one to make. In a matchup between two ranked teams the Seminoles defense was at their best and the offense did just enough to win. The final was 58-55, and the game was every bit as close as the final score.
FSU won their 7th straight ACC game for the first time in school history, and extended their best conference start to 7-1.
The two teams combined for 40 turnovers (Virginia had 21 and FSU had 19) in a 63 possession game. But the Noles extended 8 possessions with offensive boards, while UVA only grabbed four. These small in-game differences bought FSU some key possessions, and then the Noles were able to make just enough free throws down the stretch to put the game away.
In the first half FSU repeatedly kept forcing passes into the post which resulted in turnovers. Not only were many of them on bad angles, but they were often into double and even triple teams as most of the UVA defense plays within a step of the paint. That was changed in the second half, and FSUs post players would get position high in the lane for a lob over the top. Unfortunately, the execution wasn't there. Several more turnovers ensued, including a crucial one with FSU up a possession with :38 seconds left. FSU's defense got a stop, Deividas Dulkys made a free throw to push the lead to two possessions. Malcolm Brogdon made a three to cut the lead to 3 points with :02 seconds left. Michael Snaer missed the front end of a one-and-one, and UVA's desperation heave bounced off the front rim. Noles win.
Okaro White had his best game of the season with 13 points on 5-6 shooting and 5 rebounds, including three on the offensive end. Xavier Gibson was the only other Seminole player in double figures with 10. FSU made 5-12 from beyond the arc (41.7%), extending their conference leading 3-point shooting.
Inside, a couple of videos. The crowd was lively.
FSU UVA LAST SHOT (via onebarrelrum)
FSU UVA DEFENSE (via onebarrelrum)
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The heave wouldn't have counted
I checked it on my DVR
He still had the ball in his hands when the clock showed 0.0
Of course, I’m glad he missed – wouldn’t want the game in Hessian hands….
I thought that watching it live.
But then trusted the douchie announcers
by Michael Rogner on Feb 4, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Heard that too...
just another reason to yell at the tv
by Tug on Feb 4, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
the string of green W's on the right-hand side of our schedule at ESPN.com is a thing
of beauty:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/52/florida-state-seminoles
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
by GoNolzOhio on Feb 4, 2012 3:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yes I've been watching that :)
Pointed it out in the last game thread.
Our team needs to focus on BC this Wednesday though.
Sure, they aren’t very good – but we’ve lost to some bad teams there before.
You and I can dream about 15-1 (24-6)
They need to concentrate on one game on a time.
14-2 is NOT out of the question...
…as long as Snaer keeps playing like Toney Douglas.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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by fsutampaguy on Feb 4, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
UVA is really tough
that will not be an easy team to put away on the road
F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, WOO
Yes sir
@UVA
@NC ST
vs Duke
Are the most likely losses left on our schedule
@Miami
vs VTech
@BC
vs Miami
are possible losses but definitely games we should win
vs Clemson
I think this will be a revenge-game annihilation :)
But I’ve been wrong before.
we've pulled out a few close games against Miami in our streak against them
I hate to say it, but I’ve got the feeling that they are due to steal one from us this year.
I would slide that @UM game in and take @NCST out…
Very true
I see Miami as an average basketball team. One that we’ve pulled out some close W’s from when we needed it in previous seasons. This season, I see us as a cut above, but that doesn’t mean that we can’t lose either of the Miami games…
I think we beat Miami next weekend
I dont see us losing a home game with the exception of maybe Duke.
F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, WOO
Meltdown averted
At 7:34 we score with a Paterson layap , FSU up 44-31. Then by 4:43 UVA is up 45-44. What a meltdown. What character to fight to turn the momentum of the game. Especially the long three by Snaer.
Well
Rhodian Blue is a color used in Dutch pottery. The only other time I’ve heard the term is from Kay’s book: Sailing to Sarentium – where Rhodias is what he uses instead of Rome in his fictional universe – and the main character is a mosaicist from Rhodias.
Wow, thanks.
Learned a a few things about Delft pottery and GGK.
I almost feel bad for that Zeglinski guy
The crowd did an awesome job of getting in his head. I know that most guys are cool and collected during the game but with the entire crowd focused solely on him…it looked like he started cracking a bit.
F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, WOO
Totally
It was AWESOME
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 4, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Like at some point
no matter how much you try to ignore it thats gotta get to you a little bit. When 11,000 people are just pouring it on JUST YOU nonstop. LOL
F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, WOO
Good. Guy is as streaky a shooter as there is
by Michael Rogner on Feb 4, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
He looked so rattled
and tossed up 2 more ugly airballs that just fired everybody up even more. The student section was awesome today.
F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, WOO
If the crowds keep showing up
I dont see how we lose a home game
F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, WOO
it was frustrating
to see us relax on defense and give up our biggest lead of the game… thankfully we stayed in it long enough to win …
Oh and by the way...
“Fire Ham” since it hadnt been said on this post yet. Don’t mess up a good thing… Consistency fellas
by FSU on Feb 4, 2012 4:45 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
FIRE HAM
get him outta here
F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, WOO
I cant stand that guy
honestly i cant believe we ever hired him
Michael Snaer
seriously needs to be in contention for ACC DPOY. He is relentless on ballhandlers
F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, WOO
Disagree about the defensive part.
He may very well be one of the best OPOY candidates. Defensively, I’d take Loucks.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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Loucks over Snaer on defense?
That’s crazy talk
by nolesblogger on Feb 5, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Have you watched FSU basketball
at all this year? Snaer is definitely the best perimeter defender we have, with Dulkys behind him. Then I’d probably say Luke over Peterson/Miller/Whisnant. But Snaer is a lockdown defender and has had a decent offensive season but nothing special except the last few games
F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, WOO
by AustinPowers on Feb 5, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Loucks was torched...
by Evans at will. I like Loucks defense in general (maybe most improved over last 2 years), but Snaer is the best on-ball defender in ACC. Legit candidate for dpoy!
I hit the breaks, turned to her with a wry smile and said, "I had the pork chops too!"
Weird boxscore
Okaro led in points and tied for the lead in rebounds.
I like the fact that Scott only got off 8 shots,
which is a season-low for ACC games.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Just curious
Where are all the “fire Ham” people? I’ve been attending every game so i don’t get the chance to write on here as much but I’mm just curious if any of those “fans” have admitted they were wrong? Or are they just waiting until FSU struggles again?
Awesome job today by the other 11,000 fans in the arena today.
PS. How many FSU alumni can claim the ‘Noles went to the NCAA tournament all 4 years they attended FSU? Serious question because I’m a senior now and the ’Noles are about to go to their 4th straight tournament.
Same place all the other "Fire Coach" people go when that coach succeeds.
Where do butterflies go when it rains?
by Meehl on Feb 4, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FSU in the post-season.
From 1988-1993, FSU played in 4 NCAA tournaments, finishing in the First Round, Second Round, Sweet 16, and Elite Eight. They did miss the post-season in the 1989-90 season, but 4 out of 5 seasons is the “closest” to our current potential streak.
The second most “impressive” 4 year streak, would include our current streak – which was the 2011’s class. (See Below.)
So the breakdown is as follows:
(Criteria – at LEAST 1 NCAA Tournament, and at LEAST 75% Postseason Tournaments in 4 year period.)
2012 Class* (assumingly) – 4 NCAA Tournaments in 4 years. (100%)
2011 Class – 3 NCAA Tournaments, 1 NIT Tournament (75%, 25%)
1993 Class – 3 NCAA Tournaments, (One Elite Eight.) (75%, 0%)
1992 Class – 3 NCAA Tournaments, (75%, 0%)
1991 Class – 3 NCAA Tournaments, (75%, 0%)
2010 Class – 2 NCAA Tournaments, 2 NIT Tournaments (50%, 50%)
1989 Class – 2 NCAA Tournaments, 1 NIT Tournament (50%, 25%)
1990 Class – 2 NCAA Tournaments, 1 NIT Tournament (50%, 25%)
2009 Class – 1 NCAA Tournament, 3 NIT Tournaments (25%, 75%)
Classes not included:
1972 National Championship Runner-Up (Only Post Season Appearance in 4 years.)
1978 and 1980 Class – (Only 2 NCAA Appearances in 4 years)
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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by fsutampaguy on Feb 5, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh...one more thing.
Records FSU can break this year:
Best ACC Conference Record: 12-4 (1993 Elite Eight Team)
FSU is on pace to record a 14-2 ACC Season*
Best Regular Season Record since joining the ACC: 22-9 (1993 Elite Eight Team, and 2009 Team)
FSU is on pace to record a 22-8 Season*
Most Wins in a Season: 22 (1955)
FSU can win an unprecedented 24 regular season games, by winning out.
*Indicates FSU should be favored in all but 2 of their remaining contests, based on RPI rating, or Home Court Advantage.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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by fsutampaguy on Feb 5, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
KNOCK ON WOOD
F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, WOO
by AustinPowers on Feb 5, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for researching that! I didn't realize that we'd never bested 12 wins in the ACC.
I do remember that Maryland did not win the conference the year they won their national title.
It COULD also mark the first time...
….where FSU finished above Duke and UNC in the same season.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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by fsutampaguy on Feb 5, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
did somebody tweet that Loucks is now 3 games from winningest Nole player ever?
I assume this simply means record in games appeared in, not started or anything like that. Pretty impressive
Well, yes, of course they are waiting until the team struggles. It is the team struggling that makes people want to fire Ham. The team is not struggling. Just like it is when the team wins that people come out to ask where are all the fire Ham people.
Isn’t it hypocritical for people to blame Ham when the team does bad but then they don’t compliment him when the team does good?
It's too bad this forum doesn't have a tracker that flags you when you demand a coach be fired.
Let it added to the sig line for all posts. Then, we’d know who hasn’t given him credit.
I dunno
I’m pretty quiet when the Fire Ham crowd comes calling (aka we struggle)
But I get loud when we do well.
To each his (or her) own.
I just root for FSU. There’s nothing wrong with that.
Oh and yes
It was good to see a lively crowd for a non-Carolina or Duke game.
This school can definitely support a basketball team too.
I came close....'89...missed '90...'91...'92
"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
Michael Rogner.
I just have to say that I love seeing the interest and commentary over the last few weeks. After the Battle for Atlantis (aka Ham’s last stand), there seemed to be no interest in the program, yet you continued to write solid, insightful pieces. You reminded me of the one-man-band busker at the carnival; you know, the guy playing the accordion, a harmonica on a rack, a snare drum under one foot and cymbals under the other one. Passersby would drop some pocket change into your upturned hat with a pitying glance and then quickly avert their gaze.
Now you’re driving a Garnet & Gold 70’s vintage caddie loaded with Golden Girls, and winning lottery tickets are stuck under your windshield wipers. It does my heart good to see lots of responses to your posts. Thanks. And, thanks again for the recent “games of interest” spots. I really enjoy those.
by SailorNole on Feb 4, 2012 5:47 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Totally agree
I put this in the diagramming the defense thread without realizing that because of the way the link works no one sees those comments (I’m new here, but my New Year’s Resolution is to delurk). Hopefully it’s okay to post it here:
The video breakdowns (and the rest of the basketball content) are awesome. I can’t break down basketball plays and tell you why things happened the way they did like I sorta can with football plays. But thanks to this series I’m starting to put together some of the basics. It’s the opposite of Billy Madison: we’re all smarter for having seen them.
Overall, the level of respect TN shows for its readership’s intelligence is something you rarely see in sports journalism, and it rocks.
Appreciate the comment. That's a TN goal
by Michael Rogner on Feb 4, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you again for your passion for the HOOPS
"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
the airball chant for Zeglinski in video clip #1 was impressively loud!
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Great videos, onebarrelrum!
I encourage everyone to enjoy them before Ira Schoffel’s team of lawyers gets involved.
by The K-Man on Feb 4, 2012 6:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
it was echoing thru the entire arena
louder than any cheers all game. pretty hilarious
F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, WOO
haha it was pretty
awesome. At the end of the game students were chanting, “thank you airball” over and over. It was great.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
great videos. See you at 10pm on Wednesday. BC's a short flight.
by Michael Rogner on Feb 4, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
that...
Would be great, but I loaned out the gulf stream this week (shhh, I’m being audited).
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Great win today!
Our guys are really playing some great ball lately. Our crowd was a huge factor as well, we really need to keep that up.
Great Game
Glad I made it down to Tally to watch the game. I especially got a kick out of the crowd chanting “Air Ball” everytime Sammy Zeglinski touched the ball. LMAO. He didn’t let the crowd down either.
Question for NOCAL
I know Shannon is a junior this year….will he get a redshirt so he can have two more years???
Next season, our only bigs w/ experience wiil be Shannon and White, that will be a problem I’m afraid. Snaer and Miller will provide plenty of offense next year, but after the four previously mentioned…..then what?
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 4, 2012 11:45 PM EST reply actions
I was hoping Space would get more minutes this year, but obviously not ready
Next year could be rough….
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 4, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Shannon should qualify for a medical redshirt
by Michael Rogner on Feb 5, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
That would be great. If we can figure out how to put 30 lbs on Okaro White,
Then I’d really be happy. Next year is gonna be a whole different kind of ball, though.
This season
Will be our best chance to win the ACC/advance far in the NCAA tournament for a while. We have many seniors on this year’s team so we’ll take a big hit next season indeed. Imagine if Singleton would have stayed 1 more season
Next year we have
Montay Brandon and Aaron Thomas coming to help the backcourt of Snaer/Miller/Whisnant, who’ll all have another year under their belt. The front court depth behind Shannon and Okaro will be very suspect. Hopefully Kiel Turpin takes a step forward and Space matures a little bit
F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, WOO
REply Fail
F-L-O-R-I-D-A-S-T-A-T-E, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, FLORIDA STATE, WOO
by AustinPowers on Feb 5, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Dave Odom
I’m not sure if this was mentioned in the game thread or not, but I was listening to the game on the ESPN3 app yesterday as I was traveling. Dave Odom said, at least twice in the second half, that Ham should take Snaer off his man (can’t remember the guys name) and put Peterson on him instead because the guy was too quick for Snaer.
I almost drove off the road as I asked myself “doesn’t Odom realize Snaer is our best on ball defender”? Way to do your homework Odom.
Odom was awful
the worst ive ever heard. In the 1st, X nailed Scott on the layup he was all over him. In the 2nd when Evans was getting to the hole, he was getting on the Noles for not putting him on his ass. Which way do you want it? Clobbering a guy whose 6-8 or murdering the 5-10 guy? His lack of knowledge on both sides was appalling. I’m pretty sure he’d never watched a second of FSU tape b4 this game.
Seriously Turtle, Smoke More Weed
by Mannieblunts on Feb 5, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
I am a HUGE fan of Ham...
and his defense first approach. In fact, this year may be his best coaching effort yet. Consider; he knows he can’t consistently compete head to head with nc and duke on the consensus Micky D’s, so he goes with the best, longest athletes he can find, teaches his aggressive defense (an easier teach), then works them into his offense.
Several benefits to this approach. If you’ve played the game you know the importance, especially in close games, of intense D and the little things (like hustle play – which won the duke game). Next, teaching offense takes more time (especially after losing much of your scoring to graduation/NBA), and by keeping it close you are in more games (then, of course, there are years like this one, in which everything seems to come together!). Also, in the same way that a 1 – nothing game in baseball can be the greatest game to watch for a true fan, so can a great defensive battle be exciting (See FSU vs virginia). Finally, we create an incredibly unique brand in the ACC; this can be HUGE for recruiting, perhaps helping to void our first issue – recruiting the Micky D’s!!!
Ham is, and always has been, the MAN!
I hit the breaks, turned to her with a wry smile and said, "I had the pork chops too!"
by BooCooNole on Feb 5, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Huge win for the Canes
We need to be ready on Saurday.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 5, 2012 5:19 PM EST reply actions
4 straight w/ 3 being on the road
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 5, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like Miami's chances.
They are too inconsistent. I think the bulk of Duke’s loss was due to Duke’s own problems, not Miami’s strengths.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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no, miami is a completely
Different team than they were to start the season, much like fsu.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Lame
ESPN lists us behind unc in the standings, even though we have the same record (7-1) and we squeaked out a 33-point win over them. That doesn’t even make sense alphabetically.
overall record.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Feb 5, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Fascinating game
Both teams worked extremely hard to even get shots. I thought X was our best offensive player and went outta of the way to commit tos trying to feed him. Miller was the only other guy who looked dangerous even though it was brick city. A ton of credit to Bennett has done so much with so little. That said w/o Scott UVA is average.
Seriously Turtle, Smoke More Weed
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