After west Virginia game cancelled,AD reaches out to Oklahoma
Guess they didn't read buds advice. Is this a PR ploy before they book an fcs team?
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Even if this were true...
we are fortunate that Athletic Directors at other programs at decent programs are not so dense as to agree to this.
Brilliant if I am reading this right
Correct me if I am wrong but he is basically asking these schools to do a one off game at Doak. If this is the case this is awesome theater. Not even Rutgers is going to agree to an unpaid one off. He knows it because he would laugh if anyone tried the same to him. But doing it this way makes it appear he is trying to get the best team he can so the ticket holders don’t riot. And to make sure that every one that writes a story about the cup cake that we play knows its only because we had no choice in the matter.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
by TheJim on Feb 4, 2012 8:29 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Legal Tactic?
From the OS article:
If FSU can’t recoup the costs with a quality opponent, Spetman said the school may be forced to sue West Virginia. “We have the buyout, there’s that, and then there will be whatever liquidated damages,” he said. “If we aren’t able to find another team, that’s what we’re going to have to look at.”
Wouldn’t be a huge leap of faith in Spetman here in that (I hope) we have smart lawyers in the university/athletic department. This could all just be legal posturing to ensure that we look like we’re doing all we can to recoup any potential losses from losing the game with WVa.
If we know we’re going to go after an inferior opponent and make less money on this game, wouldn’t it behoove us in a legal action against WVa and the Big XII if we could demonstrate that we ‘did all that we could’?
Ok
who the puck fast forwarded us to April 1? Just when I was about to give Spet some credit for posteuring and getting us $500K – this shows he wasn’t that smrt to begin with.
I think he is asking for a 1 off game at Doak from these teams. He knows there is no chance at all of this happening. If anything OU AD has to think its April 1st when he gets a call that goes would you be willing to do a Game at Doak with no return game.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
Both 'Cuse and Pitt seem like they might be interested since they have to replace WVU
on thier schedule too. Cincinnati also has a few holes in their schedule.
Anyone know why Pitt and 'Cuse aren't jumping to ACC right away?
How is WVU able to speed up the clock?
by Cigar City Nole on Feb 4, 2012 9:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You know who might accept one away game
With no return? Boise State. Not that I would want to actually add them to the schedule.
by cbs_24 on Feb 5, 2012 1:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Money vs championship scheduling.
As AD, isn’t it his job to worry about finances? Yes, a cupcake would make for an easier MNC run, but what about the financial loss from less revenue (does the school make more tv revenue if we are in a prime time spot?) and paying the cupcake to come play us? Not to mention ticket sales, city revenue (less people in town spending money, etc).
If we try to sue WV, it could create bad relations, be unsuccessful, or other possibilities and ramifications.
I do agree that if we are going to try and sue for revenue loss that proving we did everything possible to replace the revenue is the first step.
I also agree that the best thing for us scheduling wise is a cupcake team as TN has discussed many times how a loss to a good team hurts us where a win over a cupcake doesn’t because we already play in a AQ conference.
I’m just not sure every poster considers that our AD has to take into account scheduling for MNC and finances.
by cavemanfsu on Feb 5, 2012 2:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
but what about the financial loss from less revenue (does the school make more tv revenue if we are in a prime time spot?) and paying the cupcake to come play us? Not to mention ticket sales, city revenue (less people in town spending money, etc).
Financial Gain by getting to a BCS bowl this year and making money from another home game next year is significantly larger then any loss this year. I dont want to hear the season ticket issue. FSU has UF on the home schedule. If you’re not going to buy season tickets just because you dont get to see WVU then I question your fandom anyways.
How simple is this idea… Ball park you get 50k butts in the seat this year and 50k butts in the seats next year in the patsy replacement home game instead of going to WVU. Well thats 100k butts in seats at Doak over two games. Compare that to a packed house of 84k for WVU and then 0K for the game at WVU. Means we had an average of 50k for the two patsies and 42k for a home and home with WVU.
The bottom line is that we make far more money by hosting games then we do signing home and homes. We have a home and home series in UF and thats all we need. Our other three games should just be about making money.
NO to Boise
as much as I would love to stomp a mudhole in that team, the schedule speaks for itself. I hope Spetman is merely throwing poo, and then eventually gets a patsy for next year
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Feb 5, 2012 6:19 AM EST reply actions
Great Idea
You don’t become a great program by beating Murry state. Need to play Oklahoma til we can beat them. Otherwise you might as well sharpie in a PU**ie* after FSU. On your attire fellas.
I'm with you on this one.
But we seem to be in the minority around these parts. Where I come form we believe to be the man you got to beat the man.
YEAH!! WE'RE NO PUSSIES!!WE'LL PLAY ANY GAME!!
THE GIANTS WANNA SCRIMMAGE?!? BRING IT ON!!VIVA LA DYNASTY!!! BOBBY BOWDEN!! 1990S!! WAIT…WHAT?!? WE’RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH? THE GAME HAS CHANGED? THERES A SPECIFIC FORMULA FOR SUCCESS? I SCOFF AT YOUR LOGIC!! IN 84 WE DID IT DIFFERENT!
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
Whats your logic for "Success"
I agree that game has changed, But has it helped FSU football progam. Don’t use Reductio ad Absurdum and you will understand my point. Learned that word in 85 at FSU. Paddings your record doesn’t gain repect or recuits.Its about today and FSU needs to play teams that are good today. I don’t understand your logic.
Logic for success?
We’re not good enough to play anyone, anywhere. We ARE good enough to play almost anyone in a bowl though. You have to be methodical, not that either of us is playing so its sorta moot. You clearly dont understand the game anymore. Recruits these days dont give two rows of rabbit sh!t about who a University is “brave” or “tough” enough to schedule when compared to what the school can do for them(i.e. Degree, NFL, campus life etc.) One more thing…don’t be that guy who attacks someones manhood from the safety of your screen. You reveal A LOT about yourself when you do.
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
Again I would like to point out that
Eddie Goldman likes to mention how electric the atmosphere was at the OU game. In a tight recruiting battle that may very well have been the difference
Didnt get posted
You re using Reductio ad asurdum as your logic. Apples to Oranges. Clock is reset to Jimbo time. Needs to keep the “king of the road” giant killer going or wallow in medoricty.
Qualtity over Quantity
Do you do better as a team by beating up your little sisters friends and saying I have won all my fights. Or by palying qualtity teams that you have not beat? Do you want FSU to win a National Champsionship by sneaking in the backdoor or struting in the front. Is that how you get recuites by saying your progam is a paper tiger? Grow a set and bet up the bully instead of being the bully.
by 84Nole84 on Feb 5, 2012 12:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's why Oregon played in the Rose Bowl instead of in the national title game.
Unfortunately, the system rewards Quantity over Quality. Houston was #6 in the country with their best opponent being UCLA. Virginia Tech played App State, East Carolina, Marshall and Arkansas State and beat zero ranked teams all season. Here’s an article from last August asking if VT had the easiest schedule in the country. What’d it get them? Sugar Bowl over a Kansas State team who finished 2nd in the toughest conference in the nation.
In 2010, Oregon beat one ranked team (Stanford) and played for the national title because they were undefeated. Stanford was #3 and received an automatic bid to the Orange Bowl despite beating zero ranked teams all season. TCU received an auto-bid to the Rose Bowl for running the table and again, beating zero ranked teams.
Do you want FSU to play for a national title or to play Big East #3 in the Champs Sports Bowl every year?
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
Are you saying if we play tough teams we will lose and not make the national title game?
LSU played a tough schedule too and they played for the championship. And again, the electric atmosphere of these big games helps out when recruits take their OVs. Goldman mentioned the atmosphere at the OU game when talking about signing with FSU. I am of the belief that if we can’t beat the couchburners in Doak, we have no business playing for the national title.
Oregon missed the title game this season because of losing to LSU in a pointless game in September.
And you obviously ignored the part where teams that “haven’t earned” a trip to the NCG or a BCS bowl are going because their record had 0 or 1 loss on it and 0 or 1 ranked victories.
We’re talking about running the 200 meters and you want to add hurdles to your lane because you either think you can win in spite of them or you think if you come close, some judge will appear and give you the win for additional unnecessary difficulty. HInt: It doesn’t work that way. Sorry you can’t seem to understand.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
Except that the 200m is not subjective.
First to cross the line wins. And again, you ignore the part where playing some of those tough OOC games helps us with landing some of the top recruits that we need to be a championship caliber team. I also believe getting our arse handed to us by OU a couple of years ago helped Jimbo and his staff access the team and coach the players up, knowing how far they really had to go.
“Sorry you can’t seem to understand”
And this is just funny. I guess there is only one way to skin a cat now. LSU didn’t seem to understand last year either. Neither does any team that plays tough OOC games. Again if we can’t beat WVU at Doak we do not deserve to play in the NCG. We can lose a tough OOC and still make the OB by winning the ACC.
Not to rain on your LSU parade,
But LSU didn’t win the title. Alabama did. And they did it by playing a far easier schedule and being the best 1 loss team at the end of the year. Then, it became a 1 game scenario for the title and the Tide took it. That’s what we want for FSU. One game scenarios for National Title. Its the destination, not the journey fool.
by Widespread Seminole on Feb 5, 2012 5:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey man. is there really a need for name calling here?
The point is LSU played in the NCG despite playing a tough schedule. And what you guys are missing are some of the other benefits that we get from playing these tough OOC games. It helps with recruiting, it helps our coaches gauge our program etc. There is a good chance that if you replace that OU game last year with say Murray St, we don’t land eddie Goldman. There are indirect benefits to playing tough OOC games. Or do we invite4 all our recruits to the Murray st. game and sell them on playing in front of 65,000 quiet fans. Doesn’t quit have the same affect.
My point
Alabama lost to LSU buit won the Natiponal Champtionship. They had one lose to the team they beat for it. Same as Florida in 96. Alabama and Florida got to the destination with one loss to a good team. Where is your point?
Arguing against playing stronger OOC teams
will only bring on an avalanche of critics. There are two sides to this argument.
Both have some merit but it’s about 90-10 in one direction and I’ll let you guess which one. Playing NW Georgia State sucks for the average fan. Both in the stands and on tv.But it’s a win and it may advance your cause to make it to a BCS game.
But if you can’t beat West Virginia in September then you can’t beat Alabama, LSU or USC in January. But we’d carry on the tradition of the ACC in BCS games. 2-13 is where it stands now and there’s a reason for this dismal record.
Try below average conference foes to begin with (and we’ve struggled with them). Forget OOC schedules…we need to beat the conference teams from a weak conference and then we can worry about Po Dunk U replacing some team that doesn’t have two directions in its first name.
If you’re satisfied to make it to a BCS game…then follow the “SEC” formula and schedule weak OOC teams.
If you want to WIN a crystal trophy and your team is good enough, then don’t sweat playing WVU in your house.
While I don't agree with his opinions, we respect each other here, don't get personal, and don't call others with differing opinions "fools."
You know better and please don’t do it again. Thanks.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
And let's please stop asking questions like
“Do you want FSU to play for a national title or to play Big East #3 in the Champs Sports Bowl every year?” as if it’s either or. Playing tough games does not automatically eliminate FSU from playing in the NCG. I’ve seen far to many posts implying that we have to chose between playing Big name OOC opponents and playing in the NCG when in fact playing cupcakes does not guarantee playing in the NCG just like playing tough OOC games does not eliminate the possibility of playing in the NCG
Of course its not a guarantee
Its about likelihood. Play 2 or more good OOC games you should expect to lose over 1 game every year. Play uf plus 2/3 cupcakes you should expect to lose half a game a year.
Over 5 years playing scrubs gets get you at least 2.5 wins.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
National Exposer
Gosh Playing Acorn State on pay per view or Oklahoma on a channel that everybody gets. Money and exposer. FSU is not located in an area of the country that they can play scrub teams and draw in the fans. Nebraska!!!! Has a better pop base.
Cant think of the last game FSU was on PPV for.....
Beating “Acorn state” on ESPNU is better than potentially losing to OU in September.
Wanna play OU? Lets do it in BCS or NC game, not a pointless game in September.
Do they even still offer PPV?
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
No he means exposer...
#scheduleSanduskystyle#nottoosoon
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
Comebacks
Didnt Alambame lose to LSU and beat them in the NCG. And Didn’t Florida in 96 lose to FSU the last game only to beat them in the the Sugar bowl and win a National championship? So what is the point? People want to see great games and palyers want to play in great games.
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“FSU stands to possibly lose millions in liquidated damages that includes season ticket sales, television agreements, promotional concerns and expenses for potentially bringing in a new team”
Is this true?
Maybe
But “potential” damages can definitely hold up in court with a little fuzzy math ;-)
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 5, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
No.
Spetman doesn’t know what liquidated damages are. That’s an amount agreed in the contract to be paid in lieu of actual damages if one party breaches, because the actual damages for a breach would be difficult to determine. I haven’t read the contract, but I suspect that’s exactly what the $500k ’buy-out" is: the liquidated damage amount to be paid in lieu of any other damages.
What Spetman is describing with lost revenues and ticket sales are lost profits and consequential damages, which are usually not recoverable in a breach of contract situation anyway (with certain exceptions that wouldn’t apply here).
"Defensive lineman and its depth separates southern football from rest of the country".
by PeachTreeNole on Feb 6, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
If we are going to schedule a dog fight, then I'd prefer it be with UGA.
"Defensive lineman and its depth separates southern football from rest of the country".
Schools we've reached out to
according to CBS & Orlando Sentinel articles are OU, Texas A&M, Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers, ULL, and North Texas. The rest of the Big East was lumped in there as an option as well, since a departing WVU would leave all schools in the conference short one game. I personally think Pitt or Syracuse would be nice (expanded ACC preview game). Texas A&M could be interesting too. They are a respected BCS program, but not world beaters, and would add a nice + to our SOS.
Whats pissing me off the most about all this
is that Spetman has fairly clearly stated that he is against the idea of moving the OOC game, whoever it be versus, to November. Like, you know, the week before Florida. This would be a SOLID advantage that Florida also has AND exploits EVERY YEAR. And I dunno about you, but I firmly believe folks would pay cash to buy tix for FSU’s drubbing of South Central Louisiana VoTech and Hairstylist Academy if FSU sat 10-0 at that point.
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Whatever happend to the Kickoff Classic.
We used to play that game against a good opponent. Looks as if Alabama is following that path now. Can’t be all bad. I would rather lose to Oklahoma than beat a crappy team. What good is an NC if all you play is patsies. Boise State of Florida. The ACC is not that tough. Hopefully that will change, but until it does we need to play some good teams outside our geographic footprint.
FWIW – Stats don’t make the ACC any tougher. The conference consistently shows that is is not that good.
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