Recruiting: FSU more than held its own against national power Alabama
by ricobert1 on Feb 5, 2012 1:00 PM EST
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FSU wound up with a top recruiting class out of the 2012 cycle. They're ranked as high as 2nd by ESPN and 247Sports, 6th by CBSSports, 8th by Rivals, and 10th by Scout. The large variation here is most likely due to quantity of recruits taken and a team's calculated "score;" the basic formula is the sum total of the quality of each recruit. ESPN and 247 attempt to balance the quality/quantity divide a bit. Needless to say, unless you're the crank hater down the hall who isn't satisfied until FSU gets 5* recruits every cycle at every position -- you've got to be thrilled with the continued elite recruiting performances with CJF at the helm, with 2012 being no exception.
Bama is touted by those sites as having the #1 class (#2 by Scout), and rightfully so. No team besides Texas amassed both quality and quantity this past recruiting cycle. With limited scholarships available, FSU had to reign in the total number of committable offers. Clearly, Alabama - coming off a record 14th national championship - had the upper-hand in recruiting gravitas.
Or did they?
See after the jump how FSU and Alabama went head-to-head in pursuing recruits offered by both schools.
Prospect Competition
The following prospects were ESPN150 members signed by FSU that had offers from Alabama.
To FSU:
Mario Edwards. Area recruit coordinator: Lawrence Dawsey.
Ronald Darby. Offered by Alabama. FSU signee. Area recruit coordinator: Odell Haggins.
Eddie Goldman. Even OV'd to Alabama back in November. Area recruit coordinator: Odell Haggins.
Mario Pender. Area recruit coordinator: Greg Hudson.
PJ Williams. Area recruit coordinator: DJ Eliot.
Marvin Bracy. Area recruit coordinator: Rick Trickett.
Chris Casher from Mobile, AL. FSU signee. Area recruit coordinator: Dameyune Craig.
Jameis Winston from Hueytown, AL. Area recruit coordinator: Dameyune Craig.
Justin Shanks from Prattville, AL. Area recruit coordinator: Dameyune Craig.
That makes a total of 9 signees to FSU with Bama offers, 3 of which could be considered Bama backyard steals.
To Bama:
Eddie Williams, Panama City.
Chris Black, Jacksonville.
Amari Cooper, Miami.
TJ Yeldon
Dillon Lee
Alphonse Taylor. Though not a ESPN150 member, both teams highly valued him with Bama winning out.
So that makes 7 mutually-offered recruits that Bama would sign over FSU. The state of Florida is wide-open in terms of recruiting these days, but I think it's ok to say Bama came into Florida and took 3 kids that FSU wanted. Bama's final score: 7 signees to Bama that FSU offered, 3 of which could be considered backyard steals.
So you can see that FSU went toe-to-toe with Alabama and came up with more total mutually-recruited signees. That's impressive when you consider the near-unanimity of Alabama's #1 ranked recruiting class.
Sources: ESPN, Rivals
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Agreed
Really no wrong answer to the recruiting question
Alabama has been better at developing the talent once it is on campus.
Beating a dead horse.
Someone had to say it.
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by Abiaka Windclan on Feb 6, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Have you ever beat a dead horse?
I have and it………Dang never mind this ones already won an award.
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- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Fisher has actually only put one (1) full recruiting class on the field (2011)
He didn’t have HC recruiting authority until he came in late to rescue what was previously, a poor 2010 recruiting class. FSU’s program momentum is just get started.
I’m not sure I agree with that second statement. Jimbo has already proved he can create a top 10 offense, and our D went from almost worst in college football to top 3 in 2 years.
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 5, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not to get too picky
Saban had Alabama ranked number 1 at one point in the season in his second year and played in a BCS game. His 3rd year the team went 14-0 and won the BCS championship.
Again, not a critiscm of Fisher and his staff, as I still think they will be successful.
You’re right. Bama’s staff is tremendous at what they do. I can only hope that Fisher is able to recreate Nick Saban’s third year here at FSU
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 5, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
But what did Saban have to start with before he got there?
Compared to the state of our program when Jimbo tookover… Not offering a full rebuttal, and I’m unsure myself, but just something to think about.
Bama was not Saban's first head coaching job...
You have to admire what Saban he has done at Bama. But to compare Sabans first years to Fishers first years you need to go back to Michigan State. I don’t think Saban ever won a Big 10 championship at Michigan State in about 6 years. Then Saban was in his fourth year at LSU before he won the national Championship. Saban had some head coaching experience at lower levels before he went to MSU.
Saban currently sets the standard for college head coaching, but he had been a head coach for about 10 years before winning a national championship.
It can be frustrating for FSU fans but Fisher has been a head coach for just 2 years. So much to learn.
by Number99fla on Feb 5, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Fisher is not struggling.
And I doubt too many FSU fans feel frustrated. Elated, might be more accurate after Fredo and the Rainbow O days.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Nailed it!
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At least it's not the stiffs
doing the recruiting in ACC schools not named FSU, Clemson, Va Tech and UM.
I'd say Wake Forest does an impressive job of recruiting.
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by Abiaka Windclan on Feb 6, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
About how many scholarships will FSU have to offer next year?
by H2OFSU on Feb 5, 2012 1:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Most people in the know say
FSU will take between 25 and 28. Could go higher though.
Quick analysis
I counted 17 scholarship seniors on the roster.
Given recent history, add in 2-3 more off the team for “rules violations” or academic issues, 2-3 medical disqualifications, 3-4 transfers. FSU has been fortunate lately with players not leaving early for the NFL, but can’t count on that, so add in 1 or 2 (maybe X. Rhodes and C. Jones).
Or 25-28 as law74 says.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Feb 5, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
leaving early: Rhodes, Jones, Werner
Unless some freak injury happens to decrease their stock and forces them to come back for one more year.
I know :/
Hate to see that trio leave.
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by numberonenole on Feb 6, 2012 4:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
except werner
He’s gota family and wants to finish school before NFL
by thornole on Feb 6, 2012 6:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
While you could say that FSU has better recruiting because we pulled in similar quality
Without coming off an outstanding season like Bama, but in another sense, recruiting is about getting the right guys that will grow into your program, not just getting the guys that look good out of high school.
That being said, FSU has been awesome at recruiting in both senses since Jimbo has taken over, but Bama as been just as good with a longer track record.
If Bama and FSU are basically toe-to-toe in recruiting now,
imagine how much better FSU’s fortunes may be when they have a truly dominant season on the field!
Yes, but getting the guys on the campus is only half the battle
Nick Saban has proven to be about the best their is in developing talent so naturally it pulls in the best talent. Whether its because “Bama wins” or “he is a good recruiter”, in the end they basically are the same.
Jimbo has done great, this is not a slant on him, but lets not forget what happened last season when we were a bit overconfident about our team, injuries set aside. Saban is elite among the elite, it seems like overconfidence to compare Jimbo and him too much. In a few years maybe we can start talking about it.
Perception is more important than reality,
especially in the mind of a 18 year old recruit and his family. While I won’t question your assertion that Alabama may develop talent better, the fact that FSU is already NOW standing toe-to-toe in recruiting against Bama shows that the recruits have a different perception about the trajectory of the FSU program than yours.
and this is where your mistake is
injuries set aside.
Not even Alabama could deal with the injuries we had. We had a reason to be confident in our team, before we were decimated by injuries. Recruiting may only be half the battle, but its nice that we can compete with the national champs in it.
I'm really proud of the staff for getting the Noles back to relevance.
At least on the recruiting trail for right now. And back to back dominations of UF feel SO good! Now if we can dominate our conference like we should that would be the cherry on top. Alabama and LSU showed you can win on defense and special teams as long as your offense doesn’t turn the ball over. I honestly think next years defense can be as good as Alabama’s was this year. GO NOLES!
by flash_kiley on Feb 5, 2012 1:25 PM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
I only pick fsu because they havent
Had the recent success of bama on the field and don’t play in the sec.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
this.
as well as we seemingly are a lot more even handed and direct with recruits that may be grey shirted or might now be our first priority. Bama seems not as straight forward with recruits.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Feb 5, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Couple of changes
FSU is now 6th on rivals and 11th on Scout
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LMAO @Scout.
No way 10 classes are better than ours.
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
like Ricobert1 said, Scout puts a higher significance on raw number of players signed
and does not consider how a team performed in recruiting to fill its needs nor do they give greater significance to the average quality of recruit signed, so with only 19 signed, FSU had a lower calculated rating by Scout and Rivals.
In other words,
they ignore everything that goes into real world recruiting.
by amandell3000 on Feb 5, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This for you.
It’s shiny.
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if you go to the Scout rankings and click on the "AVG" column, you'll see a very different ranking ;)
"Defensive lineman and its depth separates southern football from rest of the country".
by PeachTreeNole on Feb 5, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Forget advanced statistics, we can't even get these idiots to use the mean.
Go tell it to Moses.
by FLpanhandler on Feb 6, 2012 8:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
So we sign winston and we move down a spot?
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 5, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dameyune Craig is the man.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
unless you’re the crank hater down the hall who isn’t satisfied until FSU gets 5* recruits every cycle at every position
I think even those people are pleased with our recruiting efforts.
The last two years have been incredible. And the 2010 and ’09 classes have given us, Brandon Jenkins, Bjoern Werner, Bryan Stork, Kenny Shaw, Willie Haulstead, Rodney Smith, Scooter Haggins, Christian Green, Cam Erving, McDaniel, McCloud, McAllister, CJones, Telvin Smith, Xavier Rhodes, Greg Reid, Mike Harris, Terrence Brooks, Lamarcus Joyner, etc.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
I'm that guy.
I want perfection.
; D
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Feb 6, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
This is extremely interesting and shows the type of depth that is being gathered in Tally…looking back at the 2010 and 2011 classes, there are many hits, a lot of talented players which provide depth, and a few misses…and that is only after 1 and 2 years in the system…can’t wait to see what the maturation of these players will be
shows the ability to evaluate and project a high school player for college…unlike the lost decade, where players were signed to elivate recruiting rankings
Another way to think about it
Is if you took Bama’s coaches and swapped them with FSU (for just recruiting purposes)… I feel like Bama would then crush FSU, which would mean our current staff is better because they are selling a slightly inferior product (currently) and getting equal results.
Ehhh. I'm not sure about that.
Bama has been at the top of the recruiting game for quite a while. FSU used to be, and is again, so it’s a proven easy sell as well. I doubt our staff would crush Bama’s if the two switched places. Both would still be Top 5, IMHO.
Balance
Alabama took 7 DB types, 5 DT types, 4 LB types. Two of their DB/s are rated 5*, all 4 of their LB’s are rated 4* it makes their class look better than it is, IMO.
FSU took 3 DB and 2 DE, 2 DT, etc. I feel like this is recruiting a team, not just recruiting a positon where there are more 4 star type athletes to get your ratings up.
Alabama is the top recruiting program in the nation thanks to their recent run of NC's, their money they have at their disposal, their elite coaching staff, and their tradition, which is over twice as long as FSU's.
But Alabama better sleep with one eye open because FSU is coming on strong like that pesky dog that keeps coming at you to hump your leg even after you have kicked it away a few times.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Feb 5, 2012 2:39 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Yea the poll results are rediculous.
82% think FSU recruits better than Alabama? Even on an FSU site that seems a bit high.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Homerism can sometimes give you the horse blinder effect.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Tell you what.
Five years from now, when Florida State has three more national campionship trophies in the case and we rank #1 at ESPN in recruiting, and a 9-4 Alabama team coming off a non-BCS bowl goes toe-to-toe with us for a #2 ranking, we promise to vote for them in the poll.
Feel better?
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Feb 6, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
I always viewed TN
as a non-homer site. But I guess that’s changed after these eye popping results. Yes i voted bama easy
by Cee on Feb 5, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
How is it easy?
FSU was #1 last year. And we were #2 this year…with only 18 kids.
I think some people try so hard to be objective that it becomes reversed subjectivity
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 5, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Longevity
Saban has 2 national championships in his 5 years at bama. So his ability to evaluate and recruit the correct players seems exceptional. They are on another level than FSU. Not to mention the players Saban has put in the NFL. Jimbo may get on his level someday (wishful thinking) but right now i’ll pick bama every time
by Cee on Feb 5, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Now you’re adding other stipulations to it and comparing unequal things. The question was who is better at recruiting.
Jimbo is raking in top classes, filling needs with 5* players, players who are able to make impacts as freshmen, doing this as a very new head coach, and not with the ease of national championships.
To say they are on a different level in recruiting is just ignorant
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 5, 2012 8:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have already coined the term the anti-homer.
The Seminoles are still America's team
Can there be one with soul so dead whose heart does not leap at the sigh of Renegade and the flaming spear
Don't think its homerism.
The question was which staff does a better job.
If you consider our past performance record, 3 season of 7-6 in the last five (i think), vs Bama’s, 2 NC’s in the last 3, plus $$$ and all the other real and/or perceived advantages their program has over ours, I would said that our staff compares favorably to theirs. A “Doing more with less” type of deal.
by DoubleNickel on Feb 6, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
The question is "which school's staff do you consider better at recruiting?"
by Nole300 on Feb 5, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Alabama gave us Jameis Winston.
And I want to say tha-a-a-a-a-ank you!
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Feb 6, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
not really. Bama is the NC, and as mentioned is in the SEC and has more money
technically they should recruit better. But they dont. And we have won out on some big prises. So if they recruit equally yet Bama has the advantage. That means FSU is better at it.
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FSU is better
Why? Because bama is recruiting off of nat championships where FSU got a number 1117 class off of a 7 win season.
by pb4957 on Feb 5, 2012 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd say the
82% think FSU recruits better than Alabama? Even on an FSU site that seems a bit high.
Not at all. The difference in seasons accounts for it. Alabama is coming off a National Championship season. Florida State is getting the same calibre of recruits, outpacing LSU and every other college team in the world, after a four-loss, Champs Bowl season. And it’s the third year in a row we’ve seen results like this.
That’s an outstanding job of recruiting being done by the Florida State staff.
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Feb 6, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FSU does a great job.
You could definitely make a case for FSU, but 82%? Hell no.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Another rediculous thang, possibly...
was the poll really asking whose recruits were better?
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Such a well rounded post.
Rec from me Sir.
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I thought that was.....................................me??
FSU is coming on strong like that pesky dog that keeps coming at you to hump your leg even after you have kicked it away a few times.
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I don't think bammer has 14 national championships.
I believe that is propaganda first circulated by bama’s SID. Even the NCAA only recognizes 9 or 10.
by Dangerous Dave! on Feb 5, 2012 2:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Other than '09 and '11, Im not sure how much it matters to recruits
Lots of programs that have more NC’s than FSU (like Pitt and Miami, for example) can keep up with us.
I think that the other factors like staffs, facilities, etc, are WAY more important than NC’s back in the middle of last century.
talk to a Bama native
the old Troy State Teacher’s College had 6 NCs.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
As an alum of
Troy State University and The Florida State University, I am proud of all 6 NCs! ;0)
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. ~ Yogi Berra
Given the number of top recurits in FL, our stealing 3 studs out of the National Champion's backyard
is a bigger deal than Bama getting 3 FL kids. Deep down Bama fans know this, which is probably why so many of them are quick to add they didn’t really anyone we signed, and Winston has selfish character issues (which would have magically disappeared had he signed with Bama). What are they going to do once we actually win an NC and have that drawing power? By the looks of it, they’ll win very few recruting battles against us. They’re already feeling threatened by FSU, so watch the hate and denials start coming our way from Bama just as they are from Auburn.
"Defensive lineman and its depth separates southern football from rest of the country".
Spending too?
I don’t know how accurate these numbers are (thanks to NoleSir for the link), but they say that Bama spends roughly twice what FSU does on recruiting for men’s sports (we outspend them on recruiting for women’s sports). That’s another disadvantage that our staff seems to have overcome rather smartly.
For those who missed it (everyone?), here is a scatterplot of the data mentioned above. The spending for men and women’s recruiting are both are plotted on a logarithmic scale (notice that the distance between $200,000 and $300,000 is not the same as that between $300,000 and $400,000), since otherwise most of the points would be too mashed together to see much of anything.
Going even further off-topic, I’ll repeat something I said before about this plot:
Not surprisingly, all these schools spend a lot more to recruit male athletes than female. The diagonal line peeking through in the bottom right corner is the line on which a point would lie if expenditures for men and women were equal at a school, and the greater the perpendicular distance from that line (imagine it extended beyond the boundaries of the plot), the further the men/women spending ratio is from 1). Note that Marquette spends 7.5 times as much to recruit men as it does women. Owner of the next highest ratio is Tennessee, spending 4.5 times as much on men as women, followed by everyone else spending 3.8 times or less. Penn State has the lowest men-to-women spending ratio at 1.5 (you should be able to find the Penn State dot without a label), while FSU is 6 from the lowest at 1.8.
Is the poster known as FSU actually Terry Saban? And why does TN not want you to know?
by csfuu on Feb 5, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Great piece but
don’t start using Bama math they don’t have 14 titles or if they do then FSU has 12 and ND probably has 30.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
No. Bama doesn't have 14.
ESPN credits them with 9
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by Unconquerednole1022 on Feb 5, 2012 4:29 PM EST reply actions
Makes our =/= recruiting ability
look better, no? ;)
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 5, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
I took the five minutes needed to review the blog.
Nothing new there. National championship seasons are subjective by nature, especially those that pre-date the Associated Press (or old United Press International) poll.
I respect the Alabama program regardless of how many national championships they have (or don’t have). You should too.
It is an iconic program that has enjoyed a dramatic revitalization under Nick Saban.
Just pointing out that things like "retroactive" titles are absurd
especially when a team loses it’s bowl game to end a season.
Absurd.
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 5, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree.
But it should be remembered that in the “old days” the bowl games were considered exhibitions games, and what passed for a national title was awarded at the end of the regular season. That didn’t change until the 1970s.
In addition, not every team played in post-season games. Notre Dame eschewed bowl games until the 1970s, so how many of their national titles were won without a post-season appearance and a potential loss? Would you feel better about counting the national titles if Bama had simply chosen to stay home in those years where they finished number one? It’s not like winning a bowl game in those days ever allowed them to move up in the rankings to win a national title.
The Big Ten didn’t fully participate in bowl games until the 70s. Previously, they sent only the conference champion to the Rose Bowl. The rest of the teams in the league, no matter how good, stayed home. So bowl games weren’t viewed with anywhere near the significance as they are now. (Remember, I’m not disagreeing with your basic premise, just trying to look at it in the historical context.)
Alabama is as storied a tradition as there is in college football. The only school that can lay a claim to being similar is Notre Dame, and they’ve been irrelevant now for around two decades while Alabama has reinvented itself in this decade under Nick Saban. So the Tide goes a little overboard by claiming some spurious national titles, no big deal.
Let's see what Jimbo's recruiting is like after we have an IPF and an MNC
Then we can compare apples to apples.
I look forward to it.
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Feb 6, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Off-topic, as a Dolphins fan:
Thanks again, Giants.
; )
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by Abiaka Windclan on Feb 6, 2012 12:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Still have to put Alabama's recruiting above Florida State's.
Nonetheless, FSU is mighty close.
Eddie Goldman, Ronald Darby, Colin Blake, Reggie Northrup please
So you think Alabama has a better recruiting staff?
Today, which school’s staff do you consider better at recruiting?
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Alabama does a lot with a lot. We've done a lot with a little. Edge: FSU
Bama has had several top 3 recruiting classes after coming off an NC. Our last ACC title was when these kids were in middle school. You tell me which situation is easier to recruit in?
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for linking this article and disagreeing that “Stars dont matter”. No cursing, no disparaging. Just a plain and simple article. I did say “ingnorance is bliss though. Right?”
http://victorybellrings.com/2012/02/04/do-recruiting-stars-matter/
D-Hop has tiger blood
You probably got banned b/c your username has fsu in it.
Don’t sweat it, that’s how they roll.
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- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Even though in Bud's new position he has to give them props (undeservedly so, IMO), they always were, are, and will continue to be scUMbags and douchebags extraordinaire.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I think that is about the worst news I heard today.
I believe that stars only matter in places where there is 1) good room service
2) High school infrastructure in place
3) Kids willing to jump throu hoops for
lazy bastards that can’t even lift a finger to place a phone call anymore.
Tell me this……H as Mike Vralec said “I could not have recruited the OSU guys without Stars as a tool?”…..If he goes on record and says those words. I will shut up. But he won’t
California..Fla…Ala..Ga…Texas…….Stars makes some sense, but it is still a flawed system. ESPN still hasn’t fixed Stanford/ND. Why should I respect them?
The Variations are due to the services internal baseline metrics in their software.
Sometimes the closer we get to the actual signing day, the crazier prediction models look in hindsight.
For example Take Stanford and Notre Dame……They have the same competetive comps….YET…After signing day…Stanford improved mightily!
Notre Dame looked like they got run over by a train….Only 17 signed! The top signee an ifee QB, worried about competition…Yet the services did not move very much…hhhmmmm…..I remember when one certain guy moved a team 9 spots overnight……ND was bleeding in the street…..
Meanwhile Stanford picked up PEAT, on a surprise. 6 guys rated 80 and higher. That’s almost 40% of ND’s entire signed class. wtf…? 11 guys rated between 75-79
These guys all have brains, they are just as smart as the ND. guys…yet ESPN could not move from their position. Why? Lousy software?
ESPN having ND in the 10 spot over Stanford is an embarrassment to even look at. It is as though humans have not evolved pass the Neanderthal age. Check your frontal lobes…..Everyone understands that kids change their minds. What we do not understand is adults who refuse to believe it actually happened!
I will answer this poll question definitively after Nkemdiche signs.
Whoever gets him is CLEARLY the better recruiting staff…..
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some more numbers
I did a quick chart that resulted in an “average stars per player signed” based on the 3 ,ajor ranking services. Interesting how the list changes when you take away quantity and rely on quality. Here it is:
Rivals ESPN Scout TOTAL
FSU 19 3.79 3.88 3.95 3.87
USCw 15 4.07 3.64 3.8 3.84
Texas 28 3.64 3.76 3.82 3.74
UF 23 3.7 3.77 3.7 3.72
OSU 25 3.72 3.48 3.76 3.65
Stan 22 3.73 3.36 3.59 3.56
Mich 25 3.56 3.36 3.64 3.52
OU 25 3.52 3.55 3.4 3.49
Bama 26 3.77 3.375 3.08 3.41
UM 33 3.36 3.19 3.21 3.25
We are quickly becoming what, for so long, we were proud that we were not.
See if this helps
Team— Rivals—- ESPN—- Scout—- TOTAL
FSU— 19— 3.79— 3.88— 3.95— 3.87
USCw 15— 4.07— 3.64— 3.8—— 3.84
Texas- 28— 3.64— 3.76— 3.82— 3.74
UF—— 23— 3.7—- 3.77— 3.7—- 3.72
OSU— 25— 3.72— 3.48— 3.76— 3.65
Stan— 22— 3.73— 3.36— 3.59— 3.56
Mich— 25— 3.56— 3.36— 3.64— 3.52
OU—- 25— 3.52— 3.55—- 3.4—- 3.49
Bama 26— 3.77— 3.375— 3.08— 3.41
UM—- 33— 3.36— 3.19— 3.21— 3.25
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by SteadfastNole on Feb 8, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
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