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2013 coaching staff vis-à-vis recruiting

I think it's a safe assumption that FSU is going to have some coaching turnover after the 2012 season, regardless of the final record. I think this staff/program has been built for a run at the 2012 national title. A BCS game/win on their resume will only increase their price tag.

Who are the most likely coaches to leave? And what impact will their departure have on 2013 recruiting? Personally, I think everyone — save Jimbo, Vic and Odell — is a candidate to move on. They are all attractive to other programs for various reasons, be it resume or recruiting prowess.

Knowing Jimbo's penchant for planning (and having previously admitted that he wants his coaches to be sought after), he’s likely got the second wave of coaches ready to contact. I think the staff would be open and give him early warning if/when they are going to leave. Best-case would be that they depart for a strong move up the coaching ladder immediately after the season (for smaller schools far away from Tallahassee) and Jimbo announces their replacement(s) within days. Worst-case would be what Auburn went through this offseason.

It’s a good sign that other teams want to give coaches on our staff a promotion. FSU needs to manage the inevitable transition. This is a crucial recruiting cycle — lots of names to replace.

How does the staff recruit differently over the next 10-11 months? As much as we like to say that coaches recruit the school/program, we also admit that it's the relationship-building betweenthe coach and prospect that plays a large role in securing a commitment. Would any of this staff take players with them (à la Hudson/Trickett) when they leave? FSU is now recruiting on an elite level, so 4- and 5-star athletes are getting the most attention from this staff. Those players would most likely be interested in top-tier BCS schools, so the answer to the previous question is probably dependent on the school a coach is leaving for.

After the jump, FSU's 2012 coaching staff and an off-the-cuff percentage assigned to each for the likelihood of them leaving.

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2012 FSU Coaching Staff

Jimbo Fisher — Head Coach
Rick Trickett — Assistant Head Coach & Offensive Line Coach
Greg Hudson — Assistant Head Coach & Linebackers Coach
Mark Stoops — Defensive Coordinator & Secondary Coach
James Coley — Offensive Coordinator & Tight End Coach
Dameyune Craig — Quarterbacks Coach & Recruiting Coordinator
Lawrence Dawsey — Passing Game Coordinator & Wide Receivers Coach
D.J. Eliot — Defensive Ends Coach
Eddie Gran — Associated Head Coach, Running Backs & Special Teams Coach
Odell Haggins — Defensive Line Coach
Vic Viloria — Strength & Conditioning Coach

My percentage chance that a coach have a different job title/school in 2013

Fisher — 5%

Trickett — 25%

Hudson — 20%

Stoops — 90%

Coley — 30%

Craig — 40%

Dawsey — 40%

Eliot — 50%

Gran — 40%

Haggins — 5%

Viloria — 5%

Total — 350% = 3.5 coaches turning over.

Questions aplenty, to be sure. Anyone have some thoughts to add?

Poll
Which coach not named Stoops is most likely to leave FSU after the 2012 season?
Jimbo Fisher
3 votes
Rick Trickett
26 votes
Greg Hudson
18 votes
James Coley
29 votes
Dameyune Craig
65 votes
Lawrence Dawsey
4 votes
D.J. Eliot
74 votes
Eddie Gran
46 votes
Odell Haggins
1 votes
Vic Viloria
1 votes

267 votes | Poll has closed

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Hudson

would be the choice, was DC at East Carolina

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by Ocalanole on Feb 5, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

That is far from set in stone

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by NoleThruandThru on Feb 5, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously

But most would agree he is the overwhelming favorite.

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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 5, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really as obvious as you think

Things may have changed, as Bud alluded to earlier this season. Not saying it won’t happen but there are many more question marks now.

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by NoleThruandThru on Feb 5, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

What question marks exist?

Honest question.

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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 5, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps the question marks aren't with Hudson.

Maybe Jimbo or others in the program expect to pull a superior candidate. One with a little bit more experience as a DC, perhaps?

This is purely ignorant speculation, but I also think that the staff has done a lot and perhaps can use the momentum to snag a real winner to replace Stoops if/when he leaves.

The dynamic has changed from the beginning of Jimbo’s and Stoops’ tenure up to now.

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by STAquinasNole on Feb 5, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

In addition, coordinating is different than coaching.

by FSU on Feb 5, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Which Hudson has excelled at both (at FSU and ECU)

I’m not sure who we could pull from that would be “better” than Hudson, who is a proven DC already and is supremely familiar with both the current D and what direction Jimbo is headed.

I don’t see a top candidate being another DC just simply making a lateral move, and I would feel Hudson got the shaft if we hire an “up-and-comer”.

Remember, Hudson was on the short list to be the DC before we landed Stoops, I see no reason why he wouldn’t be the front runner this time around.

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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 5, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t necessarily be a lateral move with the access to talent that a BCS DC would be coaching (ie. going from Arizona to FSU).

Not that Hudson wouldn’t be a candidate. But not necessarily a fore gone check the box.

by FSU on Feb 5, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed
But not necessarily a fore gone check the box.

Which is why I said said a few comments up that while true, most would make him the overwhelming favorite. Unless a star wants in, Hudson has (and absolutely should have) the best chance.

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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 5, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

hud as DC

i think it’s the layfan’s strongly held opinion that hudson was hired with the understanding that he was the stoops replacement. if you followed the recent stoops-to-auburn saga, though, there was plenty of smoke that hudson was not the preferred replacement.

by Sabon on Feb 5, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

How can you quanitfy someone's chances for a position like this so far ahead in the future?

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you. I would certainly consider Hudson to be a candidate to be DC if/when Stoops leaves.

However, things can change. Jimbo’s opinion of Hudson could have changed (for better or for worse) after having worked with him on a daily basis.

Perhaps Jimbo likes what he’s done working with the players but he doesn’t like the gameplan he’d like to follow as a DC.

There are all sorts of situations and scenarios that could lead to Hudson not being the DC. While you have explained some of the many reasons why Hudson would be a good candidate to replace Stoops, none of that guarantees that he’s next in line.

If there is one thing that I know without doubt, it is that Jimbo will do a fantastic job hiring a replacement. Part of fulfilling the responsibilities of that job would be to hire a DC who would be the best fit for the future of the program, but to make that decision so far in advance or to discount other, possibly game changing candidates because there is already someone who seems competent enough on your doorstep seems counter intuitive to everything that Jimbo’s done here.

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by STAquinasNole on Feb 5, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe there has been some type of disconnect
While you have explained some of the many reasons why Hudson would be a good candidate to replace Stoops, none of that guarantees that he’s next in line.

Please show where I have said he is guaranteed the spot? I have said no such thing. I have said:

I see no reason why he wouldn’t be the front runner this time around.
while true, most would make him the overwhelming favorite

Obviously nothing is guaranteed. To your original question:

How can you quanitfy someone’s chances for a position like this so far ahead in the future?

We are not talking about 5 years from now, or even 3, or 2. We are talking 10 months away. 10 months. I’m simply saying that, right now, in the present time, with the given information available currently, Hudson would (and imo should) be the favorite.

Not given the position without interviewing others, not inheriting it, just the guy with the best odds at the start of the hiring process.

No need to go around in circles.

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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 6, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate giving this answer, but I can't elaborate on what I know and I am sorry about that.

Doesn’t have anything to do with his coaching abilities.

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by NoleThruandThru on Feb 6, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

fair enough

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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 6, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

or coaching philosophies?

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by RollNole5 on Feb 6, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I would doubt 3-4 coaches have different positions after this season, that is a very extreme turnover.

This also would not be good for the stability of the program.

by matticoti on Feb 5, 2012 3:41 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

turnover/advancement is common

entering the past season, FSU’s staff was one of only 25 in the country that had 0% turnover.

with the recent recruiting success, player development and program improvement, it’s going to become increasingly difficult to keep this staff intact. this issue is compounded by two factors — not enough room for existing staff to advance their careers in tallahassee and lack of funds to keep giving departure-staving raises. more money doesn’t solve the issues, either — i’m sure jimbo wanted this batch of hungry coaches eager to be given more responsibility and resources because he saw program-leading potential in them. they’re up-and-comers.

with gran recently being linked to openings at FAU and arkansas state and stoops parlaying rumors of his courtship into a deserved raise, i’m guessing that’s two coaches that could be departing. if stoops leaves and hudson advances to DC (not a guarantee, from what we’ve heard) that would be three departures and/or new positions.

by Sabon on Feb 5, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

FSU's staff was one of only 25 in the country with no turnover going into 2011...

Would be interested to see the number of programs with no coaching turnover two years in a row. Not sure how you found the above stat…

by espanole on Feb 6, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

6

he was citing an article on coachingsearch.com

by Wild@Heart Nole on Feb 14, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d love for Dameyune Craig to stay as long as humanly possible. Would he be a candidate for FSU’s OC in the future?

by bobbysura on Feb 5, 2012 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

As long as Jimbo calls plays it won't matter who OC is, so yes it's not far fetched

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by NoleThruandThru on Feb 5, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s pretty much what I was thinking, he is a fantastic recruiter (along with Coley) and would be nice to keep around no matter what, even as a figurehead OC for awhile.

by bobbysura on Feb 5, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Many people think that Stoops will take Eliot with him if he leaves, which would hurt

Craig will be very interesting. Many Bama and Barner fans bitch about him burning bridges in the state but I bet those schools would hire him in a heartbeat after this recruiting cycle.

I honestly don’t think losing Coley would hurt much, especially if FSU keeps Gran.

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by NoleThruandThru on Feb 5, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

Do you think Gran has great aspirations to move up the coaching ranks? I don’t get that feeling, but I’m not as plugged in as you.

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by RollNole5 on Feb 6, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

With his family situation

I would not be surprised to see him wanting to remain in Tally indefinitely, providing he is being well compensated.

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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 6, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I honestly don’t think losing Coley would hurt much, especially if FSU keeps Gran.

Which is why Coley should have a low probability of being poached.

by car54 on Feb 6, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the opposite

If him departing wouldn’t hurt much, then the likelihood of us doing what it takes to keep him diminishes. I can see Coley with aspirations to move up the coaching ladder, not so much with Gran, Trickett, or Dawsey. I see them all as career position coaches Unless Trickett wants to retire, I don’t see any of them wanting to leave Tally or get a bump to OC. I could see Jimbo giving the OC job to Craig to keep him. An outside OC would likely want to bring in his own coordinators and system. I don’t see that happening in the near future while Fisher still has the reigns. I don’t see anyone else lining up to give Craig an OC job. It’s all speculation on my part b/c I don’t have any inside info on the coaches dynamics with one another.

I can also see Coley being offered if the O takes a good step forward. He’s a great recruiter and should have learned some things from Jimbo by now.

by NoleLaw on Feb 7, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd also add that promoting Craig to OC could be done with minimal damage to the salary budget

since it would be Craig’s 1st OC job. Leaves more in the budget to hire a top DC. With Jimbo’s emphasis on the D (as shown in recruiting and Fisher’s comments), I’d expect him to put the resources on the D-side of the ball.

by NoleLaw on Feb 7, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

We all assume

Stoops will most likely leave this year, for Elliot to go with him it would it would have to be a promotion thing. Odell will never leave, Dawsey either. Craig is another to watch out for. I believe the reason Hudson was brought in was to take over for Stoops, Jimbo new ahead of time Stoops was close to getting his shot.

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by Ocalanole on Feb 5, 2012 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

There were rumors of Coley to FIU.

If Coley were to leave, I could see Craig stepping in to take that spot. Its kinda like Kirby Smart at Bama, he’s the DC but make no mistake, thats Sabans Defense.

by jenolesone on Feb 5, 2012 9:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Just my opinion,

but I think Elliot has a great deal of incentive to stay. He has a great deal of talent on the roster and incoming players that just signed (Edwards and Casher) along with the best defensive tackles in the country for many years to come (so he will have continued success). It would have to be a real promotion for him to leave. I would expect that if he stays when Stoops leaves, he would get a nice raise. He’s a young coach, with the opportunity to coach easily the best talent he has ever had his hands on, and if he follows Mark (presumably to a school with less prestige than FSU), there is no guarantee that he will have as good of an opportunity to shine as he has here. Basically, I’m assuming the only real promotion he can get is to be the DC wherever Mark goes.

by zeitgeistnole on Feb 6, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Heres hoping that Jimbo has some Bobby magic and

convinces Stoops to stay in FSU his whole career.

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by Miaminole on Feb 5, 2012 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not sure I'd put Trickett as high as 25%

Unless he got fired or is unhappy here. He’s been a HC before and apparently didn’t like it. He’s getting a bit long in the tooth, and I’m not sure he’d want to start over elsewhere. He wouldn’t be promoted to OC elsewhere. And Clint’s here.

Does anyone know of any factors that might make Trickett more likely to depart than I’m thinking?

by Invictus13 on Feb 5, 2012 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

I would agree with you.

The offensive line issues in 2011 were mostly about injuries. If the OL had average or below average number of injuries, the performance would have been much better, maybe even great.

by Wild@Heart Nole on Feb 6, 2012 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Trickett is at retirement age

When Clint graduates, he may want to just play grandpa than continue with the grind of CFB and recruiting, etc.

I’d actually expect him to stick with last year’s monster haul of OL until they graduate and “go out on top”, so I’m not expecting him to retire for several more years.

by NoleLaw on Feb 7, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

theres a small chance that

Trickett could get mad about CLINT not getting a fair chance to play, (he has the ability to be a starting QB at plenty of FBS schools)with wintson and Coker here..if it gets to a point where he gets mad about it I could see him retiring or maybe Clint transferring to a different school and Dad taking a job there

by thornole on Feb 8, 2012 4:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

if trickett leaves, i don't think it would be voluntary

all eyes are squarely on the OL in 2012. trickett, fairly deserved or not, is on the hot seat. he’s got his GAMs in the two JUCOs, so no more “babysitting” (his word).

by Sabon on Feb 5, 2012 11:29 PM EST reply actions  

Stoops

This maybe an obvious choice, however, he is making a lot of money that he can make forever-RIGHT HERE. He knows due to family that a head coach is not permanent and you are only going to get one that is in trouble.

The defense is in great shape and the recruiting that has taken place will keep it there.

The Offense, Trickett came in with a lot of accolades, that really has shown up like we thought. One problem IMO is that Trickett liked smaller guys with cuts, etc. These big guys that Jimbo likes are bulldozer types, when they cut ankles roll, they get out of position and put themselves in a postion to get injured.

The coaches on the Offense, due to the troubles may be looking. Coaches that don’t tell their agents to look at offers, don’t ususally get offers.

I realize, Jimbo is a task master, however, that is the world of Coaching. However, success cures a lot of finger pointing and name calling-like the recruiting high fives with all ot the coaches.

We will be in the hunt next year, but I remember going through years of 1979, 1980 when we were in the hunt and didn’t quite make the grade. Then we went on the 14 year run and finally won the title in 1993, every year-it was the same question can Bobby win the big one? Then Bobby’s quip about the big one is the one you lose. However, only after the 1999 title did we lose the assistant coaches.

by rspknole1 on Feb 6, 2012 7:37 AM EST reply actions  

I always wonder if Stoops wants to be a head coach. I love guy’s like Mickey Andrews and Bud Foster, who know their passion and their strength, and don’t need the glory of the head coach.

I hope Stoops is like this but I could see him needing to prove himself as a head coach, but its a whole different ball game and sometimes people don’t want that work load or that change in responsibility (not as much coaching, more managing a team/coaches).

by matticoti on Feb 6, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

He does. It’s not about glory, more about challenge of being your own boss and running your own organization

by FSU on Feb 6, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

On the Stoops-Eliot tandem - I only really see Eliot leaving to be DC for Stoops. Don't forget he's got a phenomenal group of young kids coming in

My thoughts, by coach:

Fisher — obviously stays.

Trickett — depends on 2012 OL performance. If serviceable or better, stays on and gets an extension. If as bad as this year, gone.

Hudson — while he’s done an excellent job coaching (Bradham improved significantly, Telvin is a star, VW has shown flashes), he’s been heavily overshadowed in the recruiting department. Granted, the guys he’s missed on are – Lynch, JHC, Clowney

Stoops — I’m still not sold on him jumping for any BCS HC job. I think he’s going to wait for the keys to a big name, big money program. He’s doing so well as a DC that he’ll have one offered to him before long. Don’t forget Bob was DC at UF 3 years before going to OU. This will be Mark’s 3rd year as DC. Wouldn’t it be funny if he ended up replacing Mack Brown?

Coley — I could see the Coley to FIU move happening whenever Cristobal departs, but I’m not of the opinion that Cristobal will just disappear. But by the same token, he’s Jimbo’s Kirby Smart – the offense is Jimbo’s, and Coley will not get BCS OC offers. People forget he graduated from FSU, and was Jimbo’s GA at LSU. The only scenario I see Coley leaving for is the FIU HC job.

Craig — Jimbo guy, Jimbo guy. Could be next Coley in regards to figurehead OC. Unless Auburn throws big money at him, I don’t see him leaving for a while.

Dawsey — FSU guy.

Eliot — has a great core of young guys. Really not sure what his future leads, but I have to think that a DC for Stoops at a big name program would be hard to pass up if offered.

Gran — does he have OC aspirations? BCS schools won’t be hiring an OC who’s never called plays. His salary is pretty large, and he’s a phenomenal recruiter. Don’t know of anywhere that would be more than a lateral move. Stock stands to increase with success of Freeman/Pender backfield, and if he’s able to improve Wilder, his stellar coaching record will get even better.

Haggins — no chance he leaves.

Viloria — don’t see him leaving.

by jmnpb996 on Feb 6, 2012 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

While I fully expect Stoops will eventually leave to become a HC, everyone needs to realize that good coordinators sometimes inexplicably stick around for longer than one would expect.

Kirby Smart, Will Muschamp, Norm Chow, Bud Foster, and Brent Venables are just a few that come to mind.

So saying this will be his last year at FSU, may be just a bit premature at this point, but anything is possible.

Nevertheless I enjoyed reading this Sabon and thanks for posting it.

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by FrankDNole on Feb 6, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

does anyone have any thoughts about how the coaching changes may affect 2013 recruiting?

for discussion sake, i’m going to keep assuming that stoops is gone in 2013. with buckley also gone, i’m thinking that a defensive coach needs to be brought in with some resume of recruiting/development in the secondary.

if eliot departs to be stoops’ DC, then someone needs to take the ends. not sure odell is that man, but i assume he has been learning from eliot.

eliot and stoops had a hand in recruiting waisome, karlos williams, blake, p.j. willaims, newberry and o’leary. solid, but not otherworldly.

if coley moves on, then that leaves a hole in recruiting. this is the guy who recruited: hopkins, pryor, rhodes, rodney smith, stork, harris, joyner, luc, werner, matias and koutzidis. he went deep with elam and lemonier, too. i wonder if coley was burned out or pulled back after that exhausting 2010 class — he had many fewer targets the past two recruiting cycles.

craig has made an impact, playing a key role in getting coker, casher, eligwe, shanks, winston and austin golson (2013).

dawsey is no slouch on the trail, having helped secure in christian green, shaw, de’joshua johnson, dent, haggins, brooks, benjamin, wilder jr., edwards, goldman and northrup.

gran brought in rashad greene, hart, NLS, aguayo, bain (2013) and shelton (2013).

hudson doesn’t seem to be much of a recruiter.

trickett, on the other hand, has been instrumental in getting christian jones, shaw, bracy and all the o-linemen.

by Sabon on Feb 6, 2012 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

craig & eliot

so, the top two coaches in our poll just got raises and extensions. three, if you include stoops (who wasn’t included in the poll because he was practically a given).

by Sabon on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

$205K for those that missed it

and both extended to Jan 2014. Though if their buyouts for leaving early are like other coaches on staff, the buyouts are just enough to prevent them from leaving without financial loss for a lateral move, but given typical D-I salaries they are not enough to prevent them for leaving for positions that are a promotion or considered a promotion in terms of responsibilities.

by Wild@Heart Nole on Feb 14, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  


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