Tomahawk Nation's 2nd Annual Season Review: 2011
With the 2011 season in the books and a top 5 recruiting class signed and sealed, it's time to take a look at what the Florida State Seminoles were able to accomplish. There were some high hopes going into the 2011 season. For some fans, 10-12 regular season wins were expected. While there was reason to hope for something special, injuries and off the field circumstances would have FSU struggling to put together a solid season.
Inside a collection of short game reviews, numbers, player superlatives, and what it means going in to next season.
Florida State opened up with a couple of warm up games. However, these two contests provided reason to be concerned with the offensive line play. Florida State was not going to have an offensive line that was the strength of the team like 2009/10. Rodney Hudson was a special player for FSU and replacing him would not be easy. And while not as talented, center Ryan McMahon knew his assignments, and was adept at calling out adjustments at the line pre-snap. Two veterans that would need to be leaned on would not come close to finishing the season. David Spurlock, after suffering multiple concussions the previous year, would never be the same player. Andrew Datko's shoulder surgery didn't take. That would leave one veteran player on the line from 2010 in Zebrie Sanders. Despite the sloppiness and lack of running game, FSU easily dispatched LA-MON and Charleston Southern, earning the first shut out of the year and beating both by a combined score of 96-10.
After the warm up games, it was time to welcome the Oklahoma Sooners to the Doak. Florida State would need its best from the offense and defense. After giving up an early touchdown drive, it was more than apparent that this was not going to be the shellacking that happened against OU in 2010. Instead, FSU and college football fans across the country were treated to one of the most physical, hard hitting games of the year. Unfortunately, the 'Noles would b dealt the worst of the blows. EJ Manuel, scrambling for extra yardage, would come down hard on his shoulder. The impact would result in an injury that would hamper Manuel for the rest of the year. After losing a team leader in EJ, Florida State still played hard. Back up QB Clint Trickett would deliver a hope and a prayer that was caught by true FR Rashad Greene to tie the game at 13. The Doak lost it's collective mind. But in the end, without EJ and any threat of a running game, OU was able to come up with a few more plays than FSU and take the 23-13 win.
The next two games would send the FSU faithful reeling. Two losses by two identical scores. It's hard to say that the Clemson loss was acceptable, but after the hard hitting, injuring producing, emotion draining game that happened the prior week, it was at a minimum understandable. For the Clemson game, penalties, earned or not, would keep the Tigers on the field and extend drives. It also helped that Clemson QB Taj Boyd played one of his best games of the year and consistently made difficult throws. Despite gutsy play from stand in Clint Trickett, The 'Noles were handed its second straight loss. Also worth mentioning that this was probably the poorest defensive performance from Florida State on the year.
Fans were confident the slide would end against Wake Forest. Instead, another 35-30 loss. EJ Manuel was told he was going to be the starter, but come game day, he wasn't. Clint was asked to come in on the road and recreate what he did in Death Valley. Instead, the offense started the game completely disjointed. Down in the first half, Jimbo Fisher decided the 'emergency' situation did indeed arrive and put in EJ. Florida State never put it together and Wake Forest, feeding off of 5 turnovers, was able to pull the upset. Florida State, 2-3. Not exactly the record fans expected.
Finally, a confidence builder. Florida State would reach .500 football in a win against Duke. In fact, the Duke game would spark a 5 game win streak. In the first 4 of those 5 wins, FSU would annihilate the spread, running backs, quarterbacks, and earn its second shutout against NC State. What does annihilation look like? FSU - 154, Opponents - 39. Florida state would give up just 252 yards rushing. The defense was dominant and the offense fed off of their play. The defense constantly created short fields and started getting turnovers. Exactly the two things an offense needs from a defense to look elite.
Next up, a hated rival...ACC refs. Oh, and the Miami Hurricanes also came to Tallahassee. This was perhaps one of the strangest games in the series of the rivalry. Florida State, despite mustering only 78 yards of offense, went into the half up on Miami 17-7. Special teams were key to opening up the lead against the 'Canes. Shawn Powell, deep in 'Nole territory, blasted a punt that UM returner/WR Travis Benjamin misplayed as it sailed over his head. LB Telvin Smith would recover the muff setting up an FSU score. Just before the half, Greg Reid would take a one hopper punt that hit him right in the hands all the way for a score. While the 'Nole offense struggled, the defense and special teams picked up the slack. In the 4th quarter, FSU was sitting on a comfortable lead. However, UM put together a late scoring drive making it close. On their next drive, the 'Nole defense stiffened and Nigel Bradham delivered one of the best hits of the year. Everette Dawkins would intercept the pass that was intended for Miami's LaRon Byrd after it was separated, violently, by Bradham. Game over. Well, not quite. Apparently, ACC refs don't like hard hitting. Not only did they find that Bradham's hit was illegal, they found that it was enough to eject him from the game. Florida State fans and the games announcers relayed their displeasure with the call. Miami would go on to score and try the onside kick. Nick O'Leary, showing some impressive hops and strong hands, would squash Miami's last gasp effort by pulling down the ensuing onside kick and put an end to a strange, frustrating game.
What can go wrong playing a team like Virginia sandwiched between your two biggest rivals? Well, apparently a lot. Florida State just needed a field goal to put the game away up 13-7 in the 4th quarter. However, the offensive struggles finally cost Florida State a game, snapping the 5 game win streak. The defense gave up a late touchdown and Florida State, lost this game, twice. A strange call from Fisher had the 'Noles run out of time on a pass to the sidelines. Game over. However, the play was reviewed and Florida State was given a shot at a field goal. Florida State watched it's second home loss of the season as Dustin Hopkin's FG attempt sailed wide. The fan base (me, really) did not deal with the loss well.
Florida State had one last shot to salvage the the season. While many of the goals were off the table, one was still left and it was one of the most important: win the state championship. While this was another ugly game for FSU, it proved to be even worse for the hated Gators. Florida State snagged pick after pick and capitalized early. The game was put away in the second half for good when Terrance Parks came up with the play of his career with a pick 6. The Florida State offense was unable to muster 100 yards. However, the defense was so completely dominate, FSU was able to get out of the swamp with a 14 point win.
Winning cures all and even with the victory over the Gators, the Virginia loss was still a hot button issue with the fans headed into bowl season. For a while, it appeared FSU would have a shot at another SEC school. Instead the heavens (ie, chick-fil-a people who snubbed us because apparently they don't like sell outs) decided to give us something even better. Florida State would get to face the team too good to be in a conference, the one and only Notre Dame Fighting Irish. This game was vintage EJ and summed up the Florida State season quite well. Florida State's offense struggled at no surprise to many and the defense continued right where it left off in the swamp. However, at some point in the second quarter something started to click. Continuing in the 3rd and crescendoing in the 4th, the FSU offense was able to put together enough plays to score 18 unanswered points (would have been twenty if they chose to kick the xps instead of go for 2 twice). An FSU o-line consisting of 4 freshman grew up in front of a 'Nole dominated, record Champs Sports Bowl crowd. Seniors Nigel Bradham and Bert Reed would come up huge with a turnover and TD respectively. Rashad Greene showed why he has what it takes to be one of the best in 'Nole history with his 99 yard 1TD performance...in the second half.
Despite a ridiculous amount of adversity and injuries, Florida State put together a solid 9 win season, including wins over rivals UF and UM. While it wasn't what many hoped for or expected, in retrospect, it was a testament to the talent and quality coaching staff that make up this program. Certainly, the running game wasn't spectacular, but true freshman Devonta Freeman showed why 'Nole Nation should expect big things from him in 2012. EJ Manuel will need to be healthy going into the season for him to have the kind of success he would like to achieve. While he has been a great 'Nole, he could be one of the best if he has a functional o-line and a running game to compliment his passing game. Indeed, going into next season, the biggest question will be the aforementioned o-line. FSU signed two JUCO o-lineman (Menelik Watson, yeah, he big) that will compete for starting playing time and possess the potential to provide immediate improvement. There will need to be a significant improvement if Florida State is to come close to fan's expectations going into 2012. While 2011 could be considered a disappointment, the pieces are all there, especially on the defense, for what could be a special 2012. It will be EJ Manuel's last chance to leave his mark as a Florida State Seminole. With some better luck and some improved play, he just may be remembered as one of the best to ever wear the garnet and gold.
Some Interesting Numbers*
21: Total number of points FSU lost 4 games by. That is painful, though Texas A&M lost 5 of their 6 games by a total of 17 points. OUCH.
47: Total number of points FSU lost 4 games by in 2010.
1000: There were only two teams to allow less than 1000 rushing yards in the 12 game regular season. Those would be FSU and Alabama. Just to get some perspective, Maryland gave up over 1000 yards in a 4 game stretch.
12: Number of TDs Mike Glennon threw after being shut down and shutout by FSU. The Pack had a bad year, but Glennon showed why he could prove to be a pain in the coming years.
3: EJ Manuel is now 3-0 in bowl games with wins over West Virginia, South Carolina, and Notre Dame. Not too shabby.
41: Number of sacks FSU registered. Good for 6th in the country.
40: Number of sacks FSU's MASH o-line gave up. Good for 112 in the country. This needs to be fixed, badly.
86: Tackles by SR Nigel Bradham. Bradham lead the team in tackles for 3 years in a row. Next closest this year was Mike Harris at 58.
84,392: The record crowd on hand to see FSU play the Sooners.
579: Rushing yards for true FR Devonta Freeman. Not bad at all for only 10 attempts per game. Add onto that 111 yards receiving and Freeman had a great freshman year.
596: Receiving yards for true FR Reshard Greene. Despite only playing in 9 games, Greene led the team in receiving yards and receiving TDs with 7. He would also add 44 yards rushing.
30: Tackles by true FR Timmy Jernigan.
159.5: That would be the difference in yards allowed per game from the 2009 defense and the 2011 defense.
104: The difference from FSU's total defense ranking in 2009 (108th) to total defense ranking in 2011 (4th). I understand that the last two entries are not adjusted for garbage time, but just, wow.
4.16: Yards per play that FSU's defense allowed. Only two teams were better on the year. LSU at 4.08 and Alabama at a ridiculous 3.32.
Player Superlatives**
Player of the Year: The entire defensive line. Seriously, FSU would not have had the year if not for a dominant performance on defense, and it all started with the big men in the trenches.
Freshman of the Year: Tim Jernigan. Easily could go to Greene or Freeman but Jernigan saw his time greatly increase when Jacobbi McDaniel went down with an injury in the Duke game. He answered the call and was one of the star players on the defensive front. Again, true freshman.
Biggest Surprise Player of the Year: Cam Erving. Thought to be a solid player in another year or so, Cam showed that he was ready for meaningful snaps and made the best of them.
Best Clutch Performance: Rashad Greene against Notre Dame. His 99 yard/1TD catch, 2nd half performance sparked the 'Noles to a win over the Irish. Can't wait until he gets to have an entire, healthy season. Honorable mention to the 4 freshman on the o-line that got it together in the second half.
Hardest Hitter: The one and only LaMarcus Joyner. When he sent the BC QB flying 8 yards out of bounds. Yeah. Not only did he deliver the hits, he was always around the ball, ready to clean up a play. Bradham gets honorable mention for, well, everyone knows why.
Player That Will be Missed the Most: Tie for Nigel Bradham and Shawn Powell. Bradham proved that even elite players need solid coaching. The second half of the year Bradham really came on and became that player a lot of 'Nole fans were hoping for. Oh what could have been... Shawn Powell punted Miami into submission and was arguably the best punter in the country (take that you lame Ray Guy people). His powerful boots and consistent play helped make FSU's special teams one of the nation's elite. Honorable mention to Zebrie Sanders and Mike Harris.
*Thanks to cfbstats.com. If you haven't seen that website, go there. Now.
**I completely made these up and decided the winners myself. Let us know in the comment section if you have better winners/categories.
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Great read & the links make it even better!
I will probably bookmark this just to reflect & get through the next 6 months…
by FullTimeNole on Feb 6, 2012 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Word has it...
…Oklahoma may be coming back to Tallahassee this fall, on September 8th.
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Don't buy it
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 6, 2012 7:36 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
But please buy my oceanfront property in AZ.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Feb 6, 2012 8:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Believe what you want...
…but I’m not talking about hearsay, FSU has reached out to Oklahoma.
Read it for yourself: FSU In Talks With Oklahoma
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The tactic only smells fishy
if you look at the details of the offer. Most people tend to ignore details.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 6, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I think I like your post.
But I didn’t read it all.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Certainly, Spetman couldn't be that dumb.
…thank goodness for the sound judgement of OU’s AD.
Dumb yes...
…but greedy, even moreso. He doesn’t want to lose money from the WVa retraction, and may consider a lawsuit on top of the buyout agreement, to make up for lost ticket sales, if a suitable replacement cannot be found.
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More revenue would come from scheduling UAB.
No return visit would be required, and would allow for an additional home game in 2013 also.
...have you been to a non-conference game against a BCS team before?
I don’t mean to be so blunt, but what in god’s name could possibly make you think UAB would bring in revenue anywhere in the same SOLAR SYSTEM as an Oklahoma or a Texas A&M? I’m sorry, but when Oklahoma came to town, it was like the NCG in our back yard.
Now, I do see your point of a home-and-home, and I don’t see Oklahoma being a realistic shot for that reason alone, but UAB generating more revenue than Oklahoma would, is just, well….crazy talk.
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Over a 2 Year span
We get $0 for travelling back to WVU in 2013, so that revenue is divided by 2.
2 home games against scrubs (even if they only average 50,000 fans) is more money from ticket sales, concessions, etc…+
What don’t you get? I understand the OU game was electric, exciting, whatever else you want to call it. I enjoyed it completely. However, I’m talking about the $$ here that comes from being able to schedule an additional home game every year.
by jasonole59 on Feb 6, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
So...
A) 2 games @ 50,000 tickets sold = 100,000 (modest projection)
2) 1 game @ 83,000 tickets sold (average 41,500 per game)
D) FSU gets revenue from 17,000 more tickets sold
ding, ding, ding) A Wins.
minus the payment
To the two teams, 1 million at least.
Gus, don't be EJ Manuel's shoulder.
on the one hand
Syracuse is an orange team. On the other hand, they once embarassed Spurrier and by extension the whole SEC, so they are fine by me.
Gus, don't be EJ Manuel's shoulder.
Not that simple
The OU ticket was $75. The others were 50 if I recall.
Doesn’t take into account either that FSU doesn’t get the same revenue from student tickets that they do from “real tickets.”
Then there’s the aspect of, there are some people who actually base their donations on the schedule, at least in part. Not me, in particular but there are some.
Doesn’t even take into account the value of playing on national tv versus ESPN7 or whatever it is.
It’s not as simple as your formula.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
It's all skeptical,
realistically even if we played a North Texas caliber team two years in a row at Doak, we’d probably get more around 65k or 70k so times that number by 2 for the 2 home games we get over the two years. Yes, the OU game would draw more money from “Per/ticket sales” and more money from concessions because of there being more people there.
National TV has nothing to do with it. We didn’t get any “extra money” from ESPN or ABC because the OU game was a primetime game. The contract was already set in place for how much $ we were going to get from the TV deal this year by the ACC.
Looking at that, the 2 home games over two years would generate more profit for the program than a home and home with somebody else like an OU. But if the argument is that were trying to get OU just to come back to Tally for one year, than yes that would be smart in money terms (even though I would not like this because I agree with a lot of people on the site that our OOC is perfectly fine) if we didn’t have to go back to Norman in 2013.
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i hope its Oklahoma
We all want REVENGE and after this past years hard hitting game, everybody wants to see a rematch..STOOPS Bowl III. I have no doubt in my mind we will win this year if we get em and most importantly, if there’s a bunch of 1 loss teams with No BCS contender teams that are undefeated, With maybe one loss for FSU, our strength of schedule with a win or close loss to OU(loss elswhere if win over OU) would help us get into the TITLE game
by thornole on Feb 8, 2012 1:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Go back under your bridge Troll...
You have no powers here.
:)
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Know what would really get donations up? BCS and NC appearances and wins.
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by RollNole5 on Feb 6, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So we agree.
I prefaced that I get your point given a home-and-home, and agreed with you to that end. I wasn’t sure if that was your point or not, so I codified to that end just in case.
In essence, we agree – in terms of a home and home. It also sounds like we agree that if it were a 1-and-done, that Oklahoma or aTm would be a superior draw in terms of $.
No disagreement. $$ is $$, and I would prefer a North Texas or Louisiana-Lafayette to an Oklahoma as well.
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"We get $0 for traveling back to WVU."
You lost me on that comment a smidge, so I was hoping for clarification.
FSU gets nothing for playing WVa next season?
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I don't believe so
With the Home/Home..we get the rev here, they get it there. At least, that is my understanding.
No, I get that part...
…but we won’t get any of the revenue from their ticket sales? (I’m being honest here, I don’t know jack about revenue sharing, outside of bowl games, which are obviously neutral venues.)
So why the he** would we be bound to the 2013 game if WVa backed out? We need to cancel the 2013 game as well, and call it a wash.
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Ah.
I am a bit relieved to hear that. Unfortunately, Seminoles.com only removed the 2012 game from future schedules. They still reflect WVa in 2013. I’m sure this is just an oversight by the guy in charge of the page. Thank God.
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Does UAB come in for free?
Or are they one of the 1AA teams who you pay to play you?
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by slumgullion on Feb 6, 2012 9:36 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
We would pay them.
But they are in the Sun Belt (FBS), so not a I-AA team.
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Could also consider.
North Texas and La-Lafayette. Both are FBS teams with open dates on that weekend. We can’t schedule another FCS for Bowl Qualification reasons. I know Southern Miss is out there, but GOD do we not need that thorn in the side so early. They’d play us like it’s the Super Bowl.
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Ok - sounds crazy I know
But how about scheduling South Alabama (Mobile). Easy win – could be really nice for recruiting.
They don't have much freedom in their scheduling right now
They’re a brand new program and have certain requirements to meet. I feel like I remember them supposedly agreeing to a game with Alabama, but it had to be ixnayed for some weird reason.
Really wouldn’t impact recruiting at all IMO. Kids in that area are more than aware of FSU’s success and presence.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
The “reaching out” seems like due diligence in order to sue WVU.
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I think this.
I think the payout in year 2 has to do with how we fill our schedule. It’s imporant to “look busy”.
What about Boise State?
They have been thumping their chests about traveling anywhere for a game against anyone, they just lost their OC and record setting qb….I think we should be able to handle them at Doak, on 9/8, and that might get the gameday juices flowing, even give us credit for the BigEast settlement that led to the WVU game in the first place.
Thoughts?
they've done "neutral" site games,
but otherwise demand home/home. Turned down a 2 for 1 with Nebraska. Nobody’s travelling to that 30K seat stadium.
Yards per play...
Alabama AVERAGED a 3 and out!
by burkenole on Feb 6, 2012 7:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Excellent recap, OBR! Thanks for putting it together.
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by JustLikeYouOnlyPrettier on Feb 6, 2012 7:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Our entire Offensive Line...
….was OFF THE FIELD.
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by fsutampaguy on Feb 6, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
No but seriously...
Arrington Jenkins and Avis Commack were both booted for being dumb without a license.
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Nice read!
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30: Tackles by true FR Timmy Jernigan.
Completely under my radar. Thank you for pointing that one out. That’s most excellent.
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I was hoping for a TFL stat on Jernigan. Wouldn't be at all surprised if he had over 10 TFL.
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Not quite
5 unassisted
2 assisted
Greatness is consistency and performance over a long period of time - CJF
Not bad for a true frosh at the hardest position to play straight out of H.S. - NT
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Frustrating year
because we were good enough to win our division (but we didn’t).
But, we won the state – and that’s still huge in my book.
And the bowl game – what a great learning experience for the young guys on the team.
Another great recruiting class – the future looks pretty bright to me.
Florida State
State Champions (again!)
Second all of that
A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
Groucho Marx
We win our division if we get decent play from our
o-line. Still, this team never gave up and phoned it in despite all the adversity surrounding them. The Champs Sports Bowl was one of Jimbo’s best coaching jobs in my opinion.
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by Matt Champion on Feb 6, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
This has a decidely garnet-and-gold tint for a TN article.
While it [the solid 9 win season – ??] wasn’t what many hoped for or expected, in retrospect, it was a testament to the talent and quality coaching staff that make up this program.
A quality coaching staff delivers 10-2 at worst with the way the 2011 schedule turned out. The season had a couple of highs that we can reflect upon, but do we have to reach?
Tomahawk Nation didn't cause my divorce. It was merely a contributing factor.
It's the recruiting goggles (possibly some forgiveness for injury luck)
but, Wake Forest, and UVa are still inexcusable…
by jasonole59 on Feb 6, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
inexcusable but not unexplainable
esp. given:
General conditions:
- injuries across the OL, which is why we struggled on O against at team like ULM.
- combined loss to Wake & UVA = 6 points.
Wake:
- EJ didn’t start against Wake
Virginia:
- sandwich game between Miami & UF, two very hard-hitting games that our team really got up for…
Championship!
exactly
Fans should always be upset about losing to wake and UVA, but atleast we know some of reasons why fsu lost, and hopefully they won’t conspire against us…again.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Hopefully those losses this year, will help the team from getting complacent next year. Assuming that next year will truly be special
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
yes...please see what I wrote in parentheses)
I recognized the injuries. I agree that many things conspired against us this year. I don’t think we were mentally prepared to play WF. I think the staff overlooked them and marked it down as a “W” before the game was played.
well...ok,
But I disagree, a lot. By the end of the year you have 4 freshman on the oline, your number one running back is out early in the season with a broken back, your rs Jr qb has an injury that will hamper him the rest of the season in game one, your only senior WR barely plays, your Jr WR doesnt make it on the field, the coach learns his son has a possibly life threatening disease, his brother in law dies the week of practice before a huge rivalry game, but you know, whateva. Was UVA and wake disappointing? Sure, and it certainly should be criticized. I ripped them up and down for those losses but let’s not ignore what the staff and players had to overcome this year.
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 6, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Completely agree.
As disappointing as Wake and UVA were, the only one that drove me nuts was Clemson because of the defensive failure in that game.
It was a solid year overall, and seemed like the Noles didn’t have much luck on their side. Hopefully a healthy and deeper team next season breaks out to a 10-2 or 11-1 season.
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Was it defensive failure or Clemson playing OUT OF THEIR MINDS......+ the refs?
Honest question. Clemson didn’t turn in another performance like that all year (West Virginia just scored again), and still needed a particularly corrupt performance from the stripes to pull it off.
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Facts =/= excuses.
Agreed.
You are more than the choices that you've made, You are more than the sum of your past mistakes, you are more than the problems you create, you are more, You've been remade - Tenth Avenue North
Crazy talk...10-2 "at worst"?
That’s what drives me a little crazy. 10-2 was definitely possible. But to say that 10-2 was the WORST to expect under all the circumstances basically means we should have been 12-0, again, STILL with all the injuries and bad luck.
What were expectations BEFORE the injuries? NFC South champions?
by LouC on Feb 6, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What bad luck?
Oh man, we had some injuries. Just like every other team.
Our defense was one of the healthiest in CFB.
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 6, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Did you see who was playing OL for most of this season? Say what you want, but I don’t think any team in America overcomes those kind of injuries at those positions.
>>---l>
Yea, guys that we recruited were playing OL
End of story. Didn’t we bring in Fahrenkrug to start from day 1? Instead of writing down his awfulness as bad luck why not say our coaches did a poor job evaluating.
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 6, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Uh, no, that’s not the end of the story. Of course the staff deserves some criticism for evaluation, but I stand by my statement that no team in college football could have the o-line injury issues that FSU did and produce a better unit.
>>---l>
tt wasnt that
Just the starters were out, the back ups back up were forced into playing time.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Feb 6, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Not to mention we also lost to injury players we planned on using as backups
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 6, 2012 12:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
And it was one of the best in CFB.
Our defense was one of the healthiest in CFB.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Lost starting NG, 2 starting CB both missed time, Brandon Jenkins concussed in the Florida game
You didn’t notice the injuries cause we were so deep on D.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 6, 2012 12:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What bad luck?
Lost our starting QB for the biggest conference game of the season, starting RB for the season, at one point 5 of 9 WRs, and our entire offensive line. Not only were we injured, but our most crucial games came against teams when they were at their healthiest. On top of that officiating was outright awful, the absolute worst I’ve ever seen. Ridiculous penalties directly cost us the Clemson game and killed whatever rhythm we were building early in the UVA game. It nearly cost us the Miami game as well. The fact that the flags were mysteriously stuck in the officials’ pockets when our defensive linemen were being held didn’t help either. Yes, I know there are always missed holds. But nowhere near the level we dealt with this year.
Now I’m not saying that bad luck was the only reason that we struggled. Even as it stood, there were ample opportunities to win at least 3 of the 4 games that we lost. But you can’t simply deny the fact that we had so many things go against us.
Not sure why the rest of this erased but I'm not typing it again
It was just a list of all the non-bad luck that FSU dealt with this year.
LouC, we can regurgitate all of TN's talking points, or we can...
…face facts that the 2011 schedule quickly turned into a cakewalk, something that is almost never brought up here. We demand perspective on everything except when it’s time to take a hard look at our own successes and failures.
And is it really that hard to arrive at the “10-2 at worst” math? The losses to Wake and Virginia were completely inexcusable and on the coaches. Does anyone disagree with that? Now follow me. If those losses had been wins, FSU’s regular season record would have been… 10-2. (I’ll pause.) Can you tell me how the NFC South champions get brought into this or does a straw man have to be used every single time someone brings an objection to a TN tenet around here?
In 2011, Florida State grossly underachieved against the easiest slate of games we’ve seen around here in a long time. Fisher mismanaged games and made a national embarrassment out of us in the fiasco against Virginia. Unless you know something I don’t know, about how the man is going to start turning down field goals for first downs, take games seriously and use the personnel he has available to him, and manage endgame scenarios in a way that Les Miles wouldn’t refer to as insidiously amateur, then I’m really not sure why we’re pretending 2011 is something it wasn’t, while looking forward to 2012 as if these issues don’t exist.
Tomahawk Nation didn't cause my divorce. It was merely a contributing factor.
I do.
Does anyone disagree with that?
Sometimes, a team is not up. Sometimes, Mike Harris falls down. Sometimes, the other team, all of whom are on scholarship, plays out of their minds.
Fisher is not perfect, but I am sick to death of the “no excuse” crap. Nobody made excuse; but their are reasons why we lost.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
edit; excuse = excuses, their = there
you know what I meant
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
I agree
Overall, this season was pretty disappointing. You guys can try to sugar coat it with excuses but at the end of the day we lost 2 games to teams we had no business losing to, and didn’t beat any real quality teams at all. Other than ND this team had a bad habit of folding late in games. Soft
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 6, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
so I have to ask...
1. did you see the games and notice who was playing (and not playing)?
2. do you really suppose a “better staff” would have done better?
There is a difference between reasons and excuses, and there’s no excuse for you not knowing that.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
When there's a convenient "reason" every season, just call it what it is, an excuse
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 6, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
now you're getting technical. :-)
but I like the rhyme.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
What were the excuses in previous seasons?
Last year they overachieved: No excuse.
Prior to that: Lame duck administration. The staff was excused.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 6, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
so...you would have rather lost
The 4 games by 47 points like last year? No one is sugar coating anything. Of course the year was disappointing. I drew an apocalyptic doak scene in ms paint for cripes sake.
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
And.... I could have been even worse.
We were lucky to get that bowl win against a good ND team. The o-line we put on the field in that game would have only started for only maybe a hand full of other team in the country(and no BCS conference teams). If not for the very poor QB play by ND and the great D play by us we could be talking about an even worse record.
The biggest plays to me for the losses were
1. K. Stills touchdown that was way under thrown but Greg Reid jumped maybe only a inch off the ground and got beat for a TD
2. L. Joyners wiff on the blocked punt against Clemson that wouldv’e been a sure TD
3. Greg Reid getting beat on 3rd and about 20 against Wake that lead to a TD and in the same game getting beat on a trick play for a TD
4. EJ missing a WIDE open B. Reen against UVA and he was about by about 20 yards.
So frustrating.
Defense couldn’t get off the field, and when they did Lamarcus Joyner whiffs on punts.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Just as I had those memories repressed…
by Renegade_Rider on Feb 6, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
The Clemson game had so many drives extended by penalties, some bad calls, some good.
Tighten that up and we win the game, even with no rushing yardage whatsoever. Alternatively, had the Oline even extended a couple of drives with a run game, the Tigers are not on the field for two of those TD’s. So next year ought to be bright, with a premier defense plus even moderate OLine improvement.
And we also scored a fluke TD on the Werner INT
Clemson was the better team. Don’t even try to spin it as us getting unlucky
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 6, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
You're saying excellent DL pressure from Werner resulting in a turnover is a "fluke TD"?
A dumb QB decision may have played a part, but it wasn’t a “fluke.”
But as for the bigger picture, nothing I said mentioned luck. My point was that we extended drives for Clemson that we shouldn’t have, and the game was indeed that close. The complete lack of a rushing game for us is what made it close, because we gave Clemson unlimited offensive possessions like the GT shootout a few years ago. In any event, the Clemson game sucked a lot of momentum out of the program into the Wake game, essentially decided the division, and I think that loss is my biggest regret for the team this season.
On #1, I partly agree.
M2M (press, IIRC) on Stills with 6 minutes to go in tie game. Not a great call, IMO.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 6, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I know. Reviewed that game a few times.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 6, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why I said IIRC.
Going from memory of what I saw from the stands on that part.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 6, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I was trying to be facetious.
But Reid was “there” and got more than an inch off the ground and Stills made a beautiful catch of a perfect throw. As Jimbo says, they’re on scholarship too. My take, great, no Great, play in a pressure situation. Tip your Tomahawk littered helmet and move on.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Yeah, I knew you were kidding
but I wasn’t thrilled about Stoops’[s] call on that one.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 6, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
G5's knee injury
Didn’t help on the play IMO
by nolesdude on Feb 6, 2012 3:10 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm not really sure we were ready for that play.
It was after a big 3rd down conversion. Jernigan never even got into his stance.
That’s still coaching though.
I'd add a couple to that:
1. Still think K. Shaw’s knock out against OK was a catch and should have been our ball on the 1 at the very least,if not a TD.
2. All of the penalties, real or phantom, against Clemson to extend drives.
3. J. Thomas dumbass decision to run backwards into the endzone for a safety against WF.
4. Defense did not rise up one more time against UVA to prevent the game winning drive.
For me the UVA game
was the play where Bert Reed got chased down by Minnifield at the 1. This one stands out because the only reason that Minnifield caught up is because Reed’s belt had come loose and it slowed him down. Also a 50+ yard pass to Christian Green negated by a phantom holding penalty early in the game. We were pretty much guaranteed a score if the play stood.
My surprise player of the year is the answer to this trivia question:
Which Seminole defender was third in saces (behind Werner and Jenkins) and had more total tackles than Werner?
Tank came on strong by the end of the year. Was solid on all types of plays and rarely lost containment.
This line next year will be absolutely epic. We’ve hyped some dumb stuff over the years, but the defensive line next year should be amazing. To ACC offensive coordinators: Good Luck.
Football is my favorite show.
Answer is Tank
Funny how he’s barely ever mentioned in conversation about our defense.
hey,
He won player of the year honors…along with like 12 other guys. Haha.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Feb 6, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
He was your best DE in the game against us.
by PullingGuardGator on Feb 6, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think FSU will have 3 DE's drafted in the first 3 rounds.
Werner and Jenkins are more polished, but Tank is the most athletically freakish of the 3.
Has BY FAR the most potential of any DE on our roster.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 6, 2012 6:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Bradham
Can you imagine how many tackles he would have had on an aweful BC team that always had the defense on the field? Luke Kuekly (sp) is a very good player, not an elite one.
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
by SoCalNole on Feb 6, 2012 9:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
no. kuechly is elite.
Possibly credited with too many tackles but still elite.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Agree with BOTH of you.
I agree with SoCal and you both OBR. Kuechly was a very good player on a very poor defense. His “opportunity:talent” ratio was something like 10:1. He was elite BECAUSE he had so many opportunities to make T’s, TFL’s, and Sacks.
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I was at the BC game this year. Put plainly, that kid is everywhere. Whether or not they credit him with too many tackles I couldn’t say because I didn’t watch very many of their games this year. But if you take the game I watched and project that over a season (which is backed up by the crazy tackle numbers), I think you have to call him elite.
I know there are guys that jump on piles trying to get credit for a tackle or assist or whatever, but thats not the case with this kid. He is legitimately effecting almost every play.
Is he NFL Elite. I don’t know, ask Mel Kiper. But NCAA Elite? no doubt.
by DoubleNickel on Feb 6, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Elite = Changes the way the game is played.
I don’t believe a single team they played changed anything they do because of Kueckly. He’s a really good player that gets a lot of tackles, but I don’t think any offense fears him.
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
Inconceivable.
They sure did talk a lot about that guy; surprising they wouldn’t scheme for him. (I think they did.)
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
by paperjames on Feb 7, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
By that definition
Ron Cherry is uberelite.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 7, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know that he's elite
Top-10 NFL pick is a RIDICULOUS reach
Don’t think he’s any more than above average on a decent team
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
well i just remember watching
Him live and thinking his nose for the ball, anticipation, and read react time were pretty darn impressive. We’ll see.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Feb 6, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
so he’s not elite until he proves it on a better team…
i kid, i kid
Call it the Bright/Gehres syndrome…written off before they ever played a down.
I think he’s too small and slow to be an elite prospect for the NFL. I think he can be good, but he’s never going to be Ray Lewis or LT
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
There are plenty of guys that have been undeniably elite college players that are not elite pro’s.
Why can’t you be one and not the other?
by DoubleNickel on Feb 6, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
He's never going to be Ray Lewis or Lawrence Taylor?
Wow, he sucks.
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 6, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
ELITE. Reading comprehension
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Elite or legendary?
You don’t have to be Lawrence Taylor to be elite.
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 6, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Saying Kuekly is elite is just as much a hyperbole. Absurd isn’t it?
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
He's an elite NFL prospect
Not sure what on earth you are talking about.
Or is #1 at his position and top 10 overall not elite?
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 6, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hyperbole is defined as a great exaggeration.
We’ll see where he actually gets drafted. I think several others will go ahead of him especially after he bombs the combine
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
He won’t be a Pro Bowler, imo.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
Elite or Pro Bowler?
“You don’t have to be Pro Bowler to be elite.” (!)
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
So you're taking me saying you don't need to be LT to be elite...
And making that joke?
kuechly is a LB guys not a CB or RB. Just because he’s white doesn’t mean he’s overrated.
He’s small and slow, not the best combo for a ILB in the league.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
I believe most would consider him undersized as an NFL MLB.
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
6’2" 232 is what I’ve seen. Jerod Mayo is 6’1’ 245, Zach Thomas was 5’11" 242, Dan Morgan was 6’2" 242, Patrick Willis 6’1" 240, Rolando McClain 6’3" 255, Ray Lewis 6’1" 250, Chase Blackburn 6’3" 247, Brandon Spikes is 6’2" 250.
He’s light, especially for his height, and his 40 time is listed at 4.8. Mayo, Thomas, Morgan all ran 4.5-4.6ish. Willis ran a 4.37. Spikes ran a 5 flat but is 250 lbs and Keuchly doesn’t play the same style.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
ummmmm no
Kuechly is ranked as the top linebacker and 10th overall on ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr.‘s Big Board, and he is 13th on Scouts Inc.’s Todd McShay’s Top 32.
http://espn.go.com/boston/ncf/story/_/id/7434049/boston-college-eagles-luke-kuechly-enter-nfl-draft
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 6, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
So now we're treating McShay and Kiper like they know what they're talking about?
Interesting stance…
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 6, 2012 12:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ok. If anyone else considers kuechly as being less than elite please post
So I know which posters to never take seriously.
Kinda like how we should start treating posters who don't think we were unlucky this year, no?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 6, 2012 1:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
AMFK and chrisdavis, I think this would be a good point to end this before it gets out of hand. I would appreciate it and hope you will both agree to disagree. Thanks.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Guarantee he falls with combine performance and evaluation.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
What makes you so sure that his combine numbers will be so low?
Is it because he’s white or because he wasn’t a five star coming out of high school?
because he’s a 4.8 guy with limited size.
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
So much for repressing my bad memories
But that was a good recap. And i would add my vote for our 2012 spring motto: It all starts upfront.
Gus, don't be EJ Manuel's shoulder.
With another Bowl Win
Looks like E.J. Manuel can become the 2nd QB in CFB history to go 4-0 in bowl games
And he'll be the only one
with a Championship ring.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
by FTSNole on Feb 6, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Would he really qualify for that even though he didn't start the USCe game?
That is interesting regardless…
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly what i was thinking.
I don’t think he’ll get credit for that game.
If Satan had a son, it would be John Swofford.
Comparing Rashad Greene and Devonta Freeman's freshman years to the Warrick's
Warrick Dunn freshman year:
68 carries for 511 yards, 7.6 YPC, 4 TD, just 28 loss
25 receptions for 357 yards, 6 TD
Devonta Freeman freshman year:
120 carries for 593 yards, 4.8 YPC, 8 TD, just 14 (!!) loss
15 receptions for 111 yards, 0 TD
Devonta vs Dunn: Devonta became the feature back after the Wake game, starting every game from Maryland onwards. Devonta had 2 100-yard games to Warrick’s 1.
Peter Warrick freshman year:
22 catches for 467 yards, 4 TDs
10 PR for 114 yards
9 KR for 188 yards
Rashad Greene freshman year:
38 catches for 596 yards, 7 TD’s
3 KR for 65 yards
Warrick vs Greene: Rashad started the OU game. That’s how much confidence the staff had in him, he starts in his 3rd game as a true freshman vs #1 team in the country (benefitted by injuries). He missed 4 games, but he had 4 (!!) games of 98 yards or more receiving. Rashad didn’t get same looks at returns with G5, Los, and LJ in front of him.
Let’s just say this: future is bright.
Rashad Greene - speed of Craphonso Thorpe - catches in traffic like Peter Warrick
just give him the damn ball !!!
And don't forget
Freeman- 4 freshman OL
Dunn- 4 sophomore OL
Gus, don't be EJ Manuel's shoulder.
And Greene had a PR TD called back
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, what?
When did Greene have a PR td called back? I do not remember that.
by seminoles44 on Feb 6, 2012 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Didnt he also have a big end around called back on a bs penalty?
I think against UVA but not positive.
Mike Harris is going to be missed,
but hopefully not as much as I think. He always seemed to show up with solid tackling just when the Noles needed it.
Agreed about Harris.
Kid was a very good player for us, very underrated by some. Who is the leader to replace him? I’m thinking maybe Waisome. I’m assuming T Brooks is gonna be opposite of LJ at safety.
by fsunole23 on Feb 7, 2012 6:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Player superlatives.
Player of the Year: Gotta go with Werner. Defensive MVP of the Spring and it continued into the season.
Freshman of the Year: I’m gonna go with Greene. Possibly a 1,000 yard 10 TD reciever if he doesn’t get hurt.
Suprise Player of the Year: I’d probably go with Erving too.
Best Clutch Performance: EJ’s second half vs. Notre Dame.
Hardest Hitter: Bradham. Laron Byrd and Marylands QB would like to have a word with those who think otherwise.
Player we’ll miss the most:I’ll say Mike Harris. Our nickel package wont be as deadly.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
all good choices
And a good debate to have with all the talent on the team.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Feb 6, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yea tough choices.
Half our defense could be considered player of the year.
I think it would make for a good thread.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Definitely.
Because Joyner was really the only legit option we had at safety. If Werner or Jenkins went down we still had Tank, but I think Werner was still a better player.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Rashad Greene clearly the surprise player of the year
for me.
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 6, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yea he was definitely a welcome treat on offense. I think on defense the most surprising player was Erving to me. I think everyone thought he had another year before making an impact.
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
He had an impact last year.
But it was unfortunately through dirty hits while standing on the sideline.
it was one incident. kids make mistakes
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 7, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Minor correction
Please feel free to delete this comment. I just want to point out a minor error: “miss played” should be misplayed.
Is the poster known as FSU actually Terry Saban? And why does TN not want you to know?
yes sir,
Can one of mods grab that for me?
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 6, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Done and added tags to get you more exposure.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Hear that everyone?
Frank is trying to get me to expose myself.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
OBR, excellent recap of the season and excellent use of links to make your point. Story REC.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
thank
You sirah.
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 6, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Nice work, OBR! One question though:
“It will be EJ Manuel’s last chance to leave his mark as a Florida State Seminole. With some better luck and some improved play, he just may be remembered as one of the best to ever wear the garnet and gold.”
One of the best ever? EJ has shown flashes of greatness, I’ll agree. But I found him to be very frustrating to watch this year. Yes, the oline was makeshift. Yes, he was injured most of the season. How much better can he be in 2012 though? What’s his ceiling? What should our minimum expectations be for him? I think we always talk about the 2012 oline, but I’d be very interested to see what people think about EJ going into next year. Can he be consistent? Will he be more comfortable in the pocket? Will he set his feet? Will his accuracy improve? Can he make it through an entire season without injury? What evidence do we have to make a fair prediction?
if he has a great year
And wins a bowl going 4-0? What would you consider him?
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 6, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Will it finally be a BCS bowl?
4-0 in bowl is nice, but if 3 of them are in December it’s not really that impressive.
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 6, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
can't believe
im saying this but where is mheel when you need him…
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 6, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I am hoping
He goes 4-1 against UM and UF and 4-0 in bowls
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by newdynastynole on Feb 6, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Fair point. 4-0 in bowls would be awesome.
But it’s all “if’s” at this point. I guess a better question would be: What’s it going to take for him to have a great season? What should our minimum expectations be for EJ? What does everyone predict for him in 2012?
it is why I
qualified statement with could. It is very much a what if right now. But an acc champ game and maybe a bcs win? Would put him right up there with the best no? Guess we’ll have to watch and wait.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
I'm no expert, but...
He needs to improve on pre-snap reads. Thoughts?
by Renegade_Rider on Feb 6, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Another 2012 question:
What should we expect from NOL in 2012? I think my expectations were unrealistically high for his Freshman year. I don’t really know the inside scoop on his grasp of the playbook or whatever else may have held him back this year, but if anyone has some insight that would be much appreciated. A breakout season from him would add a much needed extra dimension to our offense, and be AWESOME to watch. #fingerscrossed
He still has a very high completion rating.
I think the negative offensive plays are more glaring because they happen less frequently than they use to in the past. imo
He will have a spring of practice and weight room work.
I think we should see some significant improvement if he turns out to be a worker.
Most important thing for him is getting down the playbook.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
We’re talking about Nick O’leary right?
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by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
everyone but revival was... not sure where that came from.
"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
think he meant to reply to renegade_rider
"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
That makes more sense. Didn’t know if there was something I was missing
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'll think Christo will push him.
Competition could be a great motivator.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 6, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
You think their skill sets are close enough that they’ll directly compete for a spot?
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think they'll both compete to be every down types. If that's what you mean.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 6, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I meant that Christo being more of a traditional inline blocking TE with pass catching abilites would actually move NOL to his more natural H-back roll
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think both will eventually be versatile
and big enough to do it all.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 6, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think so....
moreso than the other TEs we have to deal with… they don’t even get on the field in practice. "JaBarris Can I get a TE?
"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Have we written off Will Tye?
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't completely
Others may have. I think Christo is good enough to compete with either tho. I too think NOL would be great in the H-back role.
"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Christo seems to fit the role that Caz left open when he left that hasnt been filled since.
I remember Tye’s film being pretty good in highschool. It would be neat to have a formidable 3 tight set
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Even in HS, Tye looked kinda stiff-hipped and not that great to me, but I may be misremembering.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
You probably watched it closer than I did then. I just remember him being athletic for his size
Guy on a Buffalo
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
i can definitely see
NOL and Christo having immediate impact as well as great Careers at FSU and starting a trend that has been missing in Tallhassee, Elite TE’s wanting to come play here
by thornole on Feb 8, 2012 2:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Watson's eligibility
Has it been determined yet if Watson has two or three years to play his two?
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
by mmmCheese on Feb 6, 2012 1:10 PM EST via Android app reply actions
My take on the season
My expectations prior to the season were for a 9 win regular season.
Taking into account the officiating, injury luck, and Ethan’s diagnosis I am OK with being one game off my expectation. ymmv
Excellent write-up OBR
Greatness is consistency and performance over a long period of time - CJF
Nice review, OBR
But how can you gloss over shutting out UNC?
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
-H.L. Mencken
NCSU
What was I thinking.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
-H.L. Mencken
Yes great read OBR!
Hit it on the head… I was none too pleased with the Wake and UVa losses as well, but all things considered, the season was part of an upswing. All that being said, I hate Clemson with every fiber in my body.
"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
And...another question:
Has anyone heard anything about the development/status of NLS? I always thought he was one of the more intriguing recruits we’ve taken in the past couple years. Monster of a kid, great character, and played LB at close to 300 lbs in HS (iirc).
I don't know his current status
but I’m still just as excited about his future at FSU as I was when he signed. I think his mom’s a nutritionist and he was a very solid 300 coming out of high school. Agility is off the charts for his size coming from a soccer background. I remember he had an insane cone drill.
So imagine what he’ll be like in 2013 after a few years of Viloria’s S&C? I remember a few years ago we only had a few guys who were really solid at their positions, or at least that’s how I felt about the team. Now it seems like I can rattle off the entire roster when I’m listing stand-out players. It’s a great situation to be in.
Dan Patrick: "Is Ponder a good name for a quarterback?"
Christian Ponder: "Why? Because you say I overthink things? is that what you’re trying to imply? As crazy as it sounds, my mom’s maiden name is actually SuperBowlWinner. Isn’t that crazy?"
DP: "Now is that hyphenated?"
CP7: "No, it’s all one word."

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