Florida State Football Recruiting: FSU's 2013 Recruiting Needs
by Bud Elliott on Feb 8, 2012 2:56 PM EST
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PrintFlorida State football recruiting just finished a fantastic 2012 recruiting class, but its coaches have been hard at work on the 2013 class for months. It's time to take a look at FSU's recruiting needs for the class of 2013. These are minimum needs. The rest is up to the discretion of the coaches. Things like quality of talent in a given year as compared to the following year (article coming soon on this) are considered by the coaches and are often the explanation for taking more than the needed minimum.
This page will be dynamic to reflect changes in the plan, including position switches. Please remember that this is a very early estimation. It will become more accurate as the time passes.
"Attrition" consists of, but is not limited to: early departures for the NFL, failing out of school, transferring to another school for more playing time, career-ending injuries, disciplinary departures and players electing to end their eligibility to pursue a career in something other than sports. There will be a lot of it this year, as Florida State saw very little following the 2012 class. For a ridiculously exhaustive list of all the potential attrition and position switches, refer to this post.
Quarterback: Jimbo Fisher wants to take a quarterback in every class, and has done so every year since 2008. There is no reason to expect a change here. FSU could technically return four quarterbacks, but realistically, attrition of one may occur. Taking a quarterback is a near certainty.
Skill (RB/WR/TE): The minimum here is generally considered to be 20. FSU will technically return 18 here and expect additional attrition of at least three. Thus, a minimum of five skill recruits should be brought on. But within this, a look at specific positions is also needed. FSU needs to have at least six running/fullbacks, three tight ends and ten receivers. That's something to keep an eye on.
Offensive Line: 15 is the minimum here under most circumstances. FSU will technically return 14, and attrition of three can be expected. Thus, FSU needs to bring in a minimum of four offensive linemen. But because of the high number of upperclassmen, an extra should be recruited to be safe. Also, to balance under and upperclassmen, four of these should be high school recruits.
Defensive Line: Jimbo Fisher is committed to giving Florida State's defensive coordinator a lot of defensive linemen to rotate. 16 is the minimum here, and within that, at least seven ends and tackles. FSU will technically return 10 defensive linemen, I am not sure that any attrition should be expected. That means the 'Noles need to bring in a minimum of six defensive linemen. At least three of the six need to be defensive ends. One of those might be a JUCO player.
Linebacker: The minimum here is eight. LB FSU will technically return six linebackers, and attrition of one should be expected. That means FSU needs to bring in a minimum of three linebackers.
Defensive Back: A minimum of 14 defensive backs is typically desired. FSU will technically return 13, and attrition of three is expected at this spot. FSU will need to bring in four defensive backs.
Special Teams: The 'Noles typically want to have a kicker and punter on scholarship. FSU loses its kicker, but signed one in the 2012 class who agreed to delay his full enrollment until January 2013. This is taken care of.
Recap Of Minimum Needs:
QB (Optional)
SKILL Tony Stevens (WR)
SKILL
SKILL
SKILL
SKILL
SKILL (Optional)
OFFENSIVE LINE Austin Golson (Tackle)
OFFENSIVE LINE
OFFENSIVE LINE
OFFENSIVE LINE
OFFENSIVE LINE (Optional)
DEFENSIVE LINE Maquedius Bain (Tackle)
DEFENSIVE LINE Deadrin Senat (Tackle)
DEFENSIVE LINE
DEFENSIVE LINE
DEFENSIVE LINE
DEFENSIVE LINE
LINEBACKER Ro'Derrick Hoskins
LINEBACKER Tyrell Lyons
LINEBACKER E.J. Levenberry
LINEBACKER (optional)
LINEBACKER (optional)
DEFENSIVE BACK Sojourn Shelton (Cornerback)
DEFENSIVE BACK Michael Johnson
DEFENSIVE BACK
DEFENSIVE BACK
DEFENSIVE BACK (Optional)
DEFENSIVE BACK (Optional)
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With 4 QBs
Coker, Trickett, Maguire, and Winston why would you expect 1 or 2 of these guys not to be back in 2013. it seems reasonable that all 4 would be back in 2013.
Secord is not included. When he said 4 QBs
I have to assume Secord is gone already in that scenario
Oh I see.
Odd, Winston and Secord are the only ones I’d imagine leaving before the 2013 season.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Re: Winston
If Winston comes to school (i.e. not go pro out of high school), he has to stay through his junior year before going to the MLB.
just being nit-picky, but he'd have to stay through 3 years
and seeing as he will probably redshirt this year, that would be his rs sophomore year
You positive on this?
I thought baseball had no rules about taking kids out of high school. I did not know that if they chose to go they were required to stay 3 years. I thought they could go at any time.
That would actually possibly push Winston to go if so. Cause he can always go back to college for football if baseball doesnt work but if he cant try again for 3 years that could have bearing. Still think he ends up at school. Or is it he just cant be drafted till Jr year. I thought they could declare anytime
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Baseball
If you play D1 baseball you have to wait 3 years. If you play JUCO you are draft eligible each year.
from MLB.com:
Official Rules
The Major League Baseball First-Year Player Draft is held every year in June by conference call among the 30 Major League Clubs. The Clubs take turns selecting players in reverse order of their won-lost records at the close of the previous regular season. The order of selection is without regard to League.
The Major League Rules govern which players are eligible for selection in the Draft. These Rules are detailed, but the basic eligibility criteria can be described as follows: Generally, a player is eligible for selection if the player is a resident of the United States or Canada and the player has never before signed a Major League or Minor League contract. Residents of Puerto Rico and other territories of the United States are eligible for the Draft. Also considered residents are players who enroll in a high school or college in the United States, regardless of where they are from originally.
Certain groups of players are ineligible for selection, generally because they are still in school. The basic categories of players eligible to be drafted are:
High school players, if they have graduated from high school and have not yet attended college or junior college;
College players, from four-year colleges who have either completed their junior or senior years or are at least 21 years old; and
Junior college players, regardless of how many years of school they have completed
The next time we play UF 1,092 days will have passed since they have been able to hold our jock strap.
interesting
thnx for the update. I never knew this.
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I believe he’s referring to the 4 returning as EJ, Trickett, Lefty, and Coker.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
Lefty = Secord. Was having a brain fart.
My photo appeared in the Nightlife photo collage of the FSView for six weeks in-a-row. That’s who I am.
Because with the 2013 kid that would make five, and FSU isn’t going to get into the habit of carrying five QBs
Not generally. But with the Winston likely to leave after 3 years
And Trickett Maybe being the son of one of the coaches and possibly being a future coach himself who could help out with the young guys, this may be the exception and not the rule.
FSU could return
Secord
Trickett
Coker
Maguire
Winston
Will that happen? Of course not. I see 1 or 2 gone from that list, for sure, and a 2013 kid added.
In the article you said 4 guys returning and attrition of 1 or 2 of those guys
I had to assume you had already eliminated Secord, Saying 1 or 2 from this list of 5 makes a lot more sense to me though
Yeah, says five now. In my mind, Secord is already gone. But I know that he is technically still here.
I think you underestimate him Bud.
He’s the best in that bunch at holding up MuscleMilk towels.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
by FTSNole on Feb 8, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I want to sign a 2013 QB only if
he can run Jimbos O, ie, someone who can execute designed runs, compete w an EJ/Coker/Winston.
Championship!
by TLHWG on Feb 8, 2012 4:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Wouldn't that apply to any QB in any year?
I would like to see an emphasis on what’s above the shoulders going forward.
by Nolesos Locos on Feb 8, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
athletically, no
but could be that he is smart as a whip and has solid character/leadership. In other words, Ponder 2.0. In that case I guess I wouldn’t be disappointed.
Championship!
Great article BTW.
Helps a lot with following recruiting.
Unless some magical light comes on for Secord, the possible options I see are: (a) if he wants to try and play division I football, he’ll leave prior to the 2012 season (he needs two years eligibility left to do so, even for FCS); (b) if he wants to be a coach and thinks learning from Jimbo is the way to go, or if he just loves life at FSU, then he sticks it out for 2012, but he won’t be granted a fifth year and in 2013 he either tries to be a student assistant or he goes to play in Division II/III just to have one last time on the field. Either way, unless he has the ultimate breakthrough story, he isn’t likely to be counted in the numbers for the 2013 roster.
What's the feeling surrounding Stoops and him leaving after this year or next?
And how will this impact the 2013 defensive recruits? Is there a plan in place for his replacement from this staff?
Was just thinking this.
He can hold out. He’s not going to Akron if that’s all that’s open.
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Gotta think Tennessee opens up any day now
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by AMFKNole on Feb 8, 2012 4:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Rocky Top
I agree 100% I think Stoops would be Perfect for UT.
by NYCNole Gianni on Feb 8, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
But would he hold out for something better though?
Yeah, Tenn is in the SEC and everything but their fans are delusional and might not be able to except that the program isn’t and likely won’t be a national contender again, barring them finding another Peyton Manning.
Tennessee is one of the best jobs in the SEC and the country
I would put it on par with GA and Auburn, behind FL, Bama, and LSU.
Lacks a direct line to elite talent
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by AMFKNole on Feb 9, 2012 9:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
TN used to
draw heavily from northern AL, and could draw well (given geographic proximity) from Western NC and SW Virginia (though competing with VT).
by Wild@Heart Nole on Feb 10, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I definitely wouldnt consider Tenn on the same level as UGA.
Especially when it comes to recruiting. UGA is arguably the 4th best state at producing talent. Tenn… ehh not so much. Youve gotta go out of state consistently to be successful there, but they definitely have the resources to be successful again. Still quite a bit of rebuilding to do there. Dooley was such a bad hire.
by jenolesone on Feb 8, 2012 9:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Ehh, UF, UGA and SC are better in division. Bama, ARK, Aub and LSU are better in the West. it’s the 8th best in the SEC.
Add to that the ridiculously short time period expected to be competitive in the SEC, and it's a massive challenge
You can’t talk “process” while you get beat by UF, Kentucky, etc. You can’t drop a game in the SEC you should win, because you get smoked by the upper half.
IMO Stoops would be a better fit at a Big 12 school with good money and a booster base that isn’t going to fire him after 2 years with arguably 1 loss he should have won.
Dooley may end up gone after 3 years and TN hires another decent young name, and will fire him in another 3 if they don’t win the east. Stoops doesn’t want to be that guy, I would hope.
Possible BCS-AQ Job Openings to Keep an Eye On At This Point
NC State
Boston College
Maryland
Duke
Texas Tech
Nebraska
Purdue
Indiana
Washington
California
Georgia
Tennessee
Kentucky
Auburn
Some of these jobs will open, some will not open. Some might be surprising, but don’t underestimate impatience (see, e.g., Nebraska, where they don’t dislike Pelini but they have to be getting tired of losing 4 games every year and no conference titles/BCS games). Some jobs not on list will open, whether because of proactive firing, surprise, collapse, retirement (candidates: Texas, South Carolina), scandal (“Mangino/Tressel Exception”), or coach leaving to take another job.
Stoops
would probably like Nebraska, Tenn, Auburn or Georgia on that list and maybe pass on the others?
The next time we play UF 1,092 days will have passed since they have been able to hold our jock strap.
He came very close to taking the job at Aakron
So im pretty sure he would take almost any job on that list.
by Widespread Seminole on Feb 8, 2012 10:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have been thinking that was all overblown
And not sure if your serious. Have Jimbo and Stoops really had problems that would lead him to take that type of job or are you just being sarcastic?
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didt know it got that bad
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Really don't see Richt going anywhere
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i have on of my own
only updates i dont have are who redshirted this year. i was going to share, but I’ll hold off if you want.
by BenDNole on Feb 8, 2012 4:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No rest for the wicked.
Good to see that the coaches are already hot on the trail once again. FSU’s coaches are the basset hounds of the recruiting world.
In Jimbo, We Trust.
Gator brains are about the size of a walnut. Scientifically proven.
Hopefully
all this fantastic recrutiing can be converted into 2 – 3 more wins per year….maybe more?
"You guys have to run a little more than full speed out there." Bill Peterson
2-3 more wins per year would be 24 wins over the last two years. A 12-win pace is, well, really unrealistic.
Totally agree,
but going forward, I would love to see 24 wins over the next two years, if that’s unrealistic then I’ll just have to live in my own universe where I’m in my 40s again instead of my 60s ;-)
"You guys have to run a little more than full speed out there." Bill Peterson
What are your "reasonable" expectations for 2013?
I mean I know we’ll have turnover on D and at QB, but we’ll be replacing EJ most likely with an upper classman, or a stud underclassman that beat out the competition. We’ll still have stud WR, RB, OL will be stacked with experience, not unlike 2010, our DL will be studs, and LB should be good (thin in terms of experience, but still good).
by GermDaveNole on Feb 8, 2012 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Btw, not mocking by putting reasonable in quotes.
You’re one of the most sane and grounded people on this site. I put reasonable in quotes because a lot of people would reply with reasonable = 12 wins and ACCCG win (or on the other end of the spectrum 6 wins and barely making a bowl game).
by GermDaveNole on Feb 8, 2012 4:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It'd take the Clemson game being in the 2nd half of the season
or Morris taking a HC job and get replaced by mediocrity for me to even consider it a tossup. New QB, replacing Werner/Jenkins/Reid/Rhodes, possibly the DC.
So we’ll probably play that game Labor Day.
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by Kazoonole on Feb 8, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
do we know who our cross division matchups are in 2013?
will the addition of syracuse and pitt change which teams we face in 2013?
by BenDNole on Feb 8, 2012 4:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'd bet your in the minority there.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 8, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
And thisis exactly why I ask Bud these questions and not Heather "six head" Dinich
by GermDaveNole on Feb 8, 2012 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately, main stream media reaches a lot more people.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 8, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, "unfortunately" was the key word.
Not the statement of obvious.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 9, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
How much of that hinges on QB play for you?
I’m hoping to see the younger guys in mopup duty much more frequently this year. Would that added experience change your expectation?
by tuckwell on Feb 8, 2012 5:02 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I am assuming you feel Clemson will win the division
Even with the turnover. The recent classes of blue chips that are finally getting coached makes me think who can you really favor over us. Not that we will win. But is Clemson going to be a NC contender that is so much better then us in 2013 despite the coached talent we will still have. I know a ton of turnover and lot of lost players. But Clemson and Chad kelly starting in 2013 (lol) or whoever may give them a shot. But would it really favor them over us? We gotta win in death valley sooner or later
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Yes because Clemson also has a bunch of talent, loses nothing this year, and will return Boyd (5th year SR in 2013).
Yes, i’d favor that Clemson team over a ’Nole team losing ~13 starters and a bunch of key reserves.
I can see it
I am just hoping I guess that even if we have some off years where we lose a ton of talent. Its not a dramatic drop like it was in the past. I am really hoping for a bit more seamless transition to the new starters based on talent and depth that we now have. 2013 I know we will lose our QB, and have as many as like 5 or so first rounders drafted just from the defense. But I like to think the talent that we still will have with a Coker, Jernigan, The DL, and the Waisome’s and Los type DB;s added to still having some great WR and some great running backs and a mature line still means we are right there and maybe just a win at Clemson from still winning the division. We have been playing so many young kids lately that they wont be green behind the ears in 2013.
I guess on paper based on who we lose Clemson could be favored. But I still think we have the talent to beat everyone else in the ACC and that means Clemson has to go undefeated or at most lose 2 games in the ACC if we slip against VT and Clemson along the way. But the best recruting class in the nation will be Jr’s in 2013. So Clemson may be favored, but it almost seems like more of a toss up to me as of this time anyway. Who knows where we stand when 2013 rolls around
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Here’s what FSU loses by my estimation
EJ Manuel *
C. Thompson (RB)
L. Pryor (FB)
D. Smiley* (FB)
R. Smith (WR)
J. Fahrenkrug (G)
J. McDaniel (DT)
E. Dawkins* (DT)
M. McCray* (DT)
A. McCloud* (DT)
B. Jenkins (DE)
C. Carradine (DE)
B. Werner (DE)
V. Williams *
C. Jones
N. Moody* (LB/ S)
T. Stevens* (DE/LB)
X. Rhodes* (CB)
G. Reid (CB)
D. Hopkins (K)
I mean, that’s just a ton.
You could win the MAC with that group alone.
by Nolesos Locos on Feb 8, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yea they definitlly lose a ton
And I am not in anyway saying you wont be dead on. I just think now that we have kids being coached. The talent will still be there. We lost a ton. But are replacing them with blue chip studs.
The other thing I think that will make it a little better. And I dont think 2013 is a NC year. But the fact we have SO MANY Freshman and So playing. That the biggest losses will be in the DB area and QB. But with Coker being talented and having a couple years in the system, And still having what may be one of the best WR groups in a long time around to throw to. The OLine mature. And Pender and Freeman now So and Jr and a ton of replacements to that Dline with this and last years classes. The secondary will be the biggest question. If the DL still is getting a ton of pressure and Coker is as good as some people think with his targets. Even if we lose in DV we “should” still be favored in all other ACC games. So assming Clemson doen’t run the table in the ACC, meaning they no longer have Dabo, We will be right there.
And an injury to Boyd or a Watkins could also instantly make it even aide from playing at Clemson. I think the offenes should still be very good in 13, our secondary and QB will be biggest questions. But yea. Losing what will be prob 8 NFL players from your defense wont be easy to replace.. But after Clemson the talent gap even to VT is pretty big. As sad as 2011 was, getting o many Fr on the feild may be the difference in 2013
I don’t disagree with you Bud. just looking at it from another angle. Who knows though. I mean. We will win in DV again one day lol
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I think the other issue is if FSU's got
Miami/VT/GT as their crossover, that’s obviously more difficult than whatever Clemson has.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
UM is our cross over annually
And right now as a rival they will never be a gimme, But they may be an easier team to play then GT who I think is Clemsons annual crossover for a few years.
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Is that Werner's last year of eligibility?
Or is that attrition to the NFL?
Roses are red, Violets are blue, If it wears orange, Kill it.
Hate to lose him.
What would do you think the odds are he stays? Would you say that Joyner stays to increase his draft stock?
Roses are red, Violets are blue, If it wears orange, Kill it.
Taking safety or DE?
Not right now they aren’t.
Roses are red, Violets are blue, If it wears orange, Kill it.
It's a ton as far as numbers go, but what comes in behind those numbers?
The only guy on offense who will be difficult to replace is Lonnie. I’m not even sure how much Thompson will play this year. We have plenty of receivers, so Rodney is no big loss. In other words, I expect the 2013 O > 2012 O.
We replace Werner and Jenkins with MEJ & Casher as sophs. Hicks will be a senior and Newberry a RS soph to back them up. Hopefully we’ll be able to pick up a Clowney or MEJ type stud to add in. Jones will be the biggest loss on D and I hope Joyner doesn’t leave early. On the upside, we’ve been killing it on D recruiting the past couple of years and we’ll be replacing what we lose with upperclassmen or experienced 5* guys.
Overall, I think the O improves in 2013 (over 2012) and the D takes a mild step back. Considering that our 2012 D looks to be a top 3 D, I would predict the 2013 D to be top 15, maybe top 10. Meanwhile the 2012 O looks to be top 25, maybe better. In 2013, I think we’ll probably have a top 15, maybe top 10 O. Injuries, attrition, and position changes can affect that. Could a Stoops departure and Joyner leaving early affect it? Yup.
Is Clemson that good? With Morris and Venerables, maybe. Could a rival beat us in Death Valley? Yep. Can Dabo and the crap S&C program affect the Tigers? Yep. Clemson may be favored to win the Atlantic in 2013, but I don’t think they should be heavy favorites. In his heyday, Bowden recruited lights out. Some years he lost more than we’ll be losing, played the road warrior schedule, and still had the program in the top 5 nationally. Fisher is as good as Bobby was, and Fisher has modernized the program. The way we have been recruiting and accumulating depth, I don’t see losing the players listed automatically making us an underdog to anyone in the ACC.
#DoneWithTheRant
2013 O > 2012 O ?
It’s a bit of a leap.
Whoever the QB is, he’ll be a first year starter.
It could happen, but I wouldn’t expect it.
Florida State
State Champions (again!)
Not.
2011 EJ was not good—even in the cupcake games before OU. It went downhill from there. 2012 EJ has a lot to show. A lot. The only reason 2011 EJ was a better option than Trickett is b/c of our need for mobility due to the line. In hindsight, Trickett may have been a better option b/c EJ made the line look significantly worse than it was due to poor decision making (presanp reads, refusing to throw to the flat, poor pocket presence and decisions). I expect our No. 2 QB to see plenty of snaps in 2012 b/c EJ has a history of getting injured and there should be plenty of mop up duty with our D being what it is.
I don’t see a dramatic dropoff between 2012 EJ and 2013 Coker or Trickett.
Go ahead and count the number of snaps returning on the OL for 2012 and project that to 2013. Huge advantage —> 2013.
Do the same for TE. 2012 – we have a soph NOL and some guys who have no game experience. Again, advantage —> 2013.
WR – lose King, but we have plenty of quality depth at WR. Not a significant loss in 2013. Factor in a RS-So. Benjamin if you want a guy with height. Also expect Bracey to be a weapon by 2013.
RB – 2012 looking very thin. Can Thompson return to pre-broken-back form? IMO, doubtful. Will he return at all? Very questionable. So you have D-Free, Fr-Pender, and what else? Los? JWJ-does the light go on? Move Lonnie to RB and hope that JWJ, Abrams, or Beverly can perform at FB? What happens when one of the guys gets injured? It will happen. RBs take a beating and I can’t recall a season where our top 3 RBs were injury free. Usually they all get nicked at some point. In 2013, you lose Lonnie and likely bring in at least 2 quality RBs through recruiting. Hopefully 2012 will help us solve the riddle of who will replace Lonnie. With recruiting, we should hopefully solve the problem of a lack of depth of quality RBs.
To summarize, we should have much better experience and depth on the OL, including TE. Don’t see a drop off at QB or WR. Actually think we will be better at both positions in 2013. RB is a little bit of a question due to Lonnie leaving, but we should have more quality depth at RB in 2013 and hopefully we will have figured out how to replace Lonnie. The only O pos that might drop off is FB, but the 2013 O should be improved everywhere else.
Jimbo has produced multiple years of top 10 offenses without the “elite” recruiting we’ve had. I don’t know whether he can transform the 2011 group into a top 10 group in a single year, but I expect him to have it back in full swing and rocking by 2013.
I don’t really understand why EJ is barely a better option than Trickett. There is more to EJ’s game with his mobility, and EJ is a better passer (outside of maybe screens, because this year I don’t think EJ did a very good job with them).
EJ throws a great deep ball, and clearly he was a different player after his injury (and that monster hit in the BC game). If 2012 EJ isn’t leaps and bounds better than 2011 EJ, then I will admit I’m wrong, but I do not expect EJ to have another year like 2011.
I know, but does Trickett? There is not really a large enough sample size to claim he gets it better than EJ.
If we do
It probably would probably not be a good think unless he is playing mop-up in lots of games. Miss the days where we had a starter for 2 years and a younger guy who learned the ropes his first 3 and got to play the whole second half in mop-up.
I hope that EJ's not getting it--
making the wrong decision—has as much to do with players around him (esp. the OL) not getting it. It’s harder to make sound choices when your teammates that you depend on aren’t dependable.
Championship!
The O-line has zero to do with EJ making the correct pre-snap reads and checks.
When EJ fails to make the right decisions and simple checks, he makes the O-line look worse than it is. I think this is one of those things where people can argue whether the chicken or the egg came first. All things considered, EJ stunk worse than the O-line. Both EJK and the O-line were bad and each contributed to the other’s suckiness, but the majority of what most attribute to poor O-line play was caused by EJ not being mentally there.
This is just not true.
but the majority of what most attribute to poor O-line play was caused by EJ not being mentally there.
and it’s not even worth trying to explain anymore.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 9, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
What Bud said - EJ doesn't get it above the shoulders.
How many sacks did we take b/c EJ didn’t throw the ball away? If Trick was in, maybe he makes the right decisions. Maybe that gets offset by Trick’s lack of mobility. How many sacks and broken plays b/c EJ failed to make the right pre-snap read? IMO the coach’s son would’ve done better at that aspect and would’ve improved as the season wore on. Trick throws a pretty ball too. Due to his lack of mobility we would’ve had a different play set and seen different defenses. EJ has the bigger cannon, better legs, and better height. As CP7 showed, the mental aspect is huge at QB—pocket presence, pre-snap checks, reading Ds, looking off defenders, etc. Is the mental game the great equalizer for all of EJ’s raw athletic tools, esp. when EJ was handicapped with injury? Not sure and we’ll never know. EJ’s mental game or lack thereof drove Fisher nuts. Provided that Coker has it upstairs, I think we’ll improve at QB in 2013 unless EJ shows dramatic improvement. Throwing picks to ULM & Chuck Southern? C’mon man. If Golden could turn Jacory around, hopefully Fisher can do the same with EJ.
Trickett - no.
EJ? Maybe in one of the later rounds unless we see remarkable improvement in the mental game. TJ Yates got drafted and was doing a fine job with the Texans. So much of the pro game has to do with what’s going on upstairs. Looking off defenders, reading defenses, making checks, etc. Raw athleticism alone doesn’t make you a top pick at QB.
I think I’m just being nit-picky. I read your statement as there being very little difference between EJ 2011 and Trickett 2011. Was that just to emphasize your lack of confidence in EJ, or do you believe that EJ2011 is only better than Trickett 2011 due to mobility?
do you believe that EJ2011 is only better than Trickett 2011 due to mobility?
Primarily, yes.
Feel like I should put an asterisk
* I didn’t see the Wake game. From the Trickett I saw in mop up time the first two games, the OU game, and the bits I saw against Clemson, that’s all I have to go on. Trick seemed to do pretty well there and I think he would’ve improved over the course of the season as he gained more exp.
Understandable if you didn’t see the Wake game. I would compare it to John Brantly 2010, only if Brantly had played all 3 downs per set rather than 1.
But he played pretty well in the other games. He got pretty lucky against OU, and was able to take advantage of a truly terrible defense in CU. To each his own, I suppose.
Golden had nothing to do with Jacory, that was Fisch
And if you watched the Wake game that Trickett lost, you’d not be saying he’d have been an improvement over EJ. Trickett hit one lucky pass in the OU game and played well against a toilet paper defense. How about we slow down acting like he’s anything more than the 3rd best option we have in 2012.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 9, 2012 1:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
I'll agree that Tricket is 3rd string in 2012.
EJ will be #1, with Coker #2. I think Jimbo will stick it out with EJ. EJ was one of Jimbo’s prized recruits. He’s a senior. He has some bowl wins and wins against UM & UF under his belt. He also has decent stats. It pains me to say he is probably the best option right now. I do not think he’s the best QB on the team, but he’s probably the best option right now. Hopefully the light bulb will go on for him.
Will also say, I wasn’t commenting on Tricket in 2012. Was commenting more on EJ 2011.
Just my opinion
But I don’t think you lay enough blame on the oline for those sacks.
Only 8 more teams gave up more sacks than we did.
It was a sieve.
Greatness is consistency and performance over a long period of time - CJF
Sacks
Throwing the ball away instead of taking a sack would be the ideal option, but taking a sack versus throwing the ball up for grabs that could result in int’s returned for 6 would be a worse decision. With his ability to take off when the line broke down(which was every other pass play) being limited by injuries, his other option is to try and move around while keeping his eyes down field and try to make something happen. The result were sacks, 33 of them. He did what he could and what he was trained to do by the coaches, so the assumption that he his not getting it “mentally” is unfair and flat out untrue. Thats garbage and the editer that let it come out is garbage.
I'm not willing to name CU the favorite yet.
FSU’s #1 class will be juniors and its #2 class will be sophomores.
I agee
in 2013 our seniors will be from the top 5 2010 class, juniors from the #1 2011 class, and so on. DV isnt that tough of a place to play…look how horribly we played last year (penalties, OL, RS Fr stsrting QB, WR & CB startet injuries, etc) and we only lost by 5 pts.
Championship!
by TLHWG on Feb 8, 2012 6:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
DV is a pretty tough place no matter what
Been a decade since we won there. Regardless lost decade or not that would be 6 in a row with a loss in 13. So it sure isnt easy, And for the Noles its become a herder road game then UM or UF
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How does it feel to long to be in your 40's?
"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
haha
just messing with you. I am about to turn 26 and I already feel old. This is not a good sign is it?
"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Sure isn't a good sign for you,
but I didn’t say I felt old, I just said my 40s were 20 some odd years ago. I still feel great and can hardly wait to get retired and live on my beloved millpond about an hour from Doak.
"You guys have to run a little more than full speed out there." Bill Peterson
Well Good luck to you Sir!
Wish you the best in retirement. As your username suggests you do love your Millpond.
"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Actually
I tried to enter my user name as millpond nole but I couldn’t get it to accept it so I settled for millpond. the quote in my auto sig will tell you when I went to FSU!
"You guys have to run a little more than full speed out there." Bill Peterson
You must be from Mariana
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Congratulations. Enjoy your mill pond!
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by Abiaka Windclan on Feb 10, 2012 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
millpond
Don’t let these whipper snappers intimidate you. I remember what it was like to be young and 40 years old. It is easy to spot the young ones around here, they don’t know very much!!!!
On another subject been waiting for the recruiting needs. I still say FSU is very short when it comes to running backs. There is 4 of them and Wilder is looking more like a fullback than a tailback at least to me. Beverly is listed a fullback and he is coming off knee surgery. Honestly if Freeman and Pender were hurt it could get a bit antsy.
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Can there be one with soul so dead whose heart does not leap at the sigh of Renegade and the flaming spear
That's why when the talk of moving Los to O comes up, I'm thinking RB.
kid would crush his blocks. has speed to get the edge and he’d run with a purpose between the tackles.
Los has straightline speed
and vision, not abilities to run behind zone blocking scheme IMO
Championship!
by TLHWG on Feb 9, 2012 6:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
1-cut baby. Vision to find the hole and speed to get through it.
If we move him to RB, I believe he’d be in the top 3 provided that he can pick up the blocking assignments as quickly as D-Free did with a full Spring. Who would beat him out? Beverly? JWJ? Don’t think Los would run into his own blockers anywhere near as much. I’m not an expert, but he looked decent in his HS film and we have a great RB coach. He absolutely killed a few guys on SP. I may be in the minority, but Los has the athleticism to play RB. WRs have to recognize D coverage schemes. If that is what he’s struggling with playing for Stoops (executing the schemes), how would he excel at reading them when playing WR? If moving him to O is just to get him a few touches, then I can see him at WR, b/c the mental processes translate somewhat from playing DB to recognizing DB coverages. If it is a permanent move to O, I think he’d pick up RB assignments faster and it is a pos of immediate need where he’d have a fair shot at breaking into the regular rotation.
Jeesh guys it was a joke...
"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
As someone in my 40's
Thx for that.
by CelticPride on Feb 8, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What percentage blue chippers?
What percentage of 4-5* would you find acceptable?
50%?
This may be a leading question, but I am not too fond of the idea of letting go of upper class men to bring in mediocre talent.
Greatness is consistency and performance over a long period of time - CJF
Well the good news
is there is no way we don’t have the #1 class on Scout next year :)
by StM on Feb 8, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think next year is also better for FL talent.
So, Jimbo can give Saban a break.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 8, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
On this note, did I see Bud indicate that Scout might finally fix this flaw?
Can’t believe they haven’t done it yet. To operate on their logic,
100% of 25 > 75% of 50
I think they would take ten shiny new copper pennies over one old quarter.
Exactly what I was thinking.... haha
maybe if we recruit a bunch of fillers we will get the number one class.. with your 5* blue chippers sprinkled in of course.
"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
I'm sorry my math was wrong..
I forgot you carry the stars, thanks for helping me. Math is not my strong point.
#HookedonMathNoWorkForMe
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- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Yeah....just start turning away 50,000 fans at home games.
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Whatever happened to Jeff Luc?
Here’s a kid that was all-world coming out of highschool and I’ve only seen him on mop-up duty. Is it that he can’t play or just hasn’t learned the system yet? His size should have made him a great middle-llinebacker.
Not an expert but from what I understand he is very stiff...
Also I am sure his brain could be lacking more than others. Not that he can’t get it just not as fast as the guys in front of him.
"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
People were saying that when we recruited him
re: stiff.
"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum
you should bring back that video of him walking closer to the camera
over and over and over
i still hntdeer and liv4noles.
I noticed he rotated in more frequently later in the year.
More Frequently doesn’t mean he played a lot of snaps.
Greatness courts failure.
wondered the same thing. although he was on the depth chart behing bradham last year. this should be his year - we'll soon find out.
by Jason A Bramblett on Feb 8, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Luc was in more then you might think
I know he was in for a couple of drives against OU including a goaline stand
I love having all this depth on the DL.
Having a smorgesh sp? board or blue chippers rotating in between series with fresh legs and a desire for chaos can’t be something opposing lineman and QBs look forward to. I bet we’d even get Dana Holgorson to rip out his quasi mullet if we ended up playing him this year. (glad we aren’t tho)
"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
That's right.
Being a Pennsylvanian, I am required to remember Shady Maple Smorgasbord ;) Hopefully there’s another Northerner Nole around here to know what I’m talking about…
In Jimbo, We Trust.
Gator brains are about the size of a walnut. Scientifically proven.
I don't know if Holgorson's a mullet
it’s more like the do Bill Murray had in King Pin.
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
Yes I think that is correct...
I knew if I saw it I would know the correct spelling. I am a northerner too and was just going of how I always heard it pronounced growing up.
"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
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"If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in."
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Looking back. The Northrup flip was pretty big
We would really need to be on point in getting a couple top end LB this year if we only pulle Eligwe this year.
As far as this coming season. I do see us taking more kids that may be projects and a chance on a couple kids. I dont see 90% Blue chips again like this year but when taking 8 more kids or so you can do that. If we still pull in 60%+ of blue chippers 4 and 5 * and the rest are kids FSU coaches like this will be another class in the top 3 and our fillers are not fluff anymore. Even the fillers will be good depth. Now we just need to convert this to wins. But I am happy the year we have more to take is a year that is much deeper in talent then a year we didnt have the means to take as many. We did dam good with limited talent supplied in 2012
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Agreed on Northrup
Something I don’t see discussed is how weak our LB corp is relative to the other positions. Jones is awesome and Telvin can obviously play at a high level, but after those two it’s just potential and questions.
I’m not worried per se, as a dominant DL (which we appear to have) can make any LB look better, but in light of the historically-excellent talent of FSU LB’s this group somehow seems a bit lacking. If some of these guys (Luc esp) come on strong and we sign a freak or two we’ll be back to elite.
by Nolesos Locos on Feb 8, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
but after those two it’s just potential and questions.
But what else could really be expected? You don’t rotate backers like you do DL.
I would prefer having 3 LB I can definitely say are top-notch at the position, but I’m picking nits. More worried about the future than the present as there isn’t a CJ7-type, or even close, in that group. Hopefully I’m wrong.
by Nolesos Locos on Feb 8, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
i'm really hoping
we can pick up some studs at backer as well… i think that and DB and OL are the biggest priorities
So excited to see the needs of '13 as this provides a framework for who to watch.
Can’t wait to see some film on Levenberry.
Control the Sunshine State & sooner or later you'll control the country.
Very rough way to measure things but..
2012 vs 2013:
QB > QB (Probably a big dropoff assuming EJ puts it together this season)
RB < RB (Freeman a Jr, Pender a So)
FB > FB (BIG drop off)
WR < WR (This will be a ridiculous group)
TE < TE (More experience for our young talent)
OL < OL (BIG improvement IMO with the experience coming back)
K > K (Big dropoff, Hopkins is stud)
DE > DE (BIG dropoff)
DT > DT (Big drop in experience, but a lot of talent to replace the departing seniors)
LB > LB (Losing Jones, but it might be a better group overall)
CB > CB (BIG dropoff)
S < S (Assuming Joyner stays)
P < P (So vs Frosh)
I’m not sold we should write 2013 off yet. Assuming natural progression of talent and ignoring major injuries, I see a 2013 team that has a new QB with a stout OL, stud RBs, and a talented and experienced WR group. That sounds like a pretty darn good offense and one that can control the ball.
On defense, we will see a big drop off along the line, especially at DE. However, it’s not unreasonable to expect decent production from a second year MEJr, Casher, and senior Hicks rotation. At DT losing McCray/McDaniels (unless he comes back strong) don’t bother me, but losing Dawkins and McCloud will hurt. Yet, TJ, Cam, Goldman, Mitchell, NLS, etc should be able to play at a solid level. The LBers should have a couple players with experience (Smith/Luc) and some young talent (possibly Wilder?). The CBs will be unproven and losing Reid and Rhodes can’t be understated. Brooks and Joyner will make a very talented and experienced safety tandem (who can both play in coverage). I’d expect a top 35 unit from this group overall if Stoops is still here.
That’s enough to run through the ACC save for VT (I have no idea what they’re bringing back in 2013) and Clemson. UF should be on the uptick and Clemson will be loaded. Those are two tough road games. I’d expect us to win all of our games save for VT, UF, and Clemson. Catch a few lucky breaks and you’re looking at a 10-2 type year. If not I’d expect 9-3, but we’ll make those projections in August 2013.
Here’s the real question: what if 2012 is a mediocre year? What if we’re hit with injuries again, struggle on OL, have some bad fumble luck, and don’t win the ACC? If 2013 is expected to be a down year how will the fan base handle four years of Jimbo and no ACC title? In my opinion that would be inexcusable with the talent he’s brought in relative to everyone else (save Clemson) in the conference. It could happen though…
can’t forget about newberry.. i think he’s extremely athletic and definitely has something to offer at the DE position. there may not be as big of a drop off as expected, imo.. especially if the tackles are picking up double teams as much as they should, and maybe we pick up a juco??. losing the corners will definitely hurt though. although i saw nick moody say on twitter that waisome can clean 275 easy.. which means i’m sure he’s up to at least 175 lbs, maybe 185 (just a guess though, but that’s a lot of damn weight to clean!) i’m excited to see darby, PJ and blake on the field though
signed – the eternal optomist
We need 5 OL?
They had better be solid OL recruits. This team will never reach its potential until we build quality depth the OL. We won’t do that by loading up on JUCO’s, diamonds-in-the-rough, and nobodies. The 2010 OL class was very good, and we need to do that again. But we couldn’t get 2 of that type of player in the 2011 class. Jimbo is taking a big gamble that we can convince 5 solid OL to come play for Trickett 2013.
"Defensive lineman and its depth separates southern football from rest of the country".
I take wgat you're asking to mean top 10 type players (that's who I consider to be "cantmiss"
no.
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by AMFKNole on Feb 9, 2012 1:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I know we have a couple kids that are locks to come and single handedly lose us a couple games
Total cant miss kids. Hope they dont turn into a bust and help us win
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Anyone know
If a D Lineman is switching to OLine?
by booshigotyou on Feb 9, 2012 5:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Assuming it would be newberry then?
by booshigotyou on Feb 10, 2012 10:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, Mitchell because of depth. Multiple people have told me Mitchell, but FSU has not released anything official.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 10, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Actually now I’m thinking Derrick Mitchell.
by booshigotyou on Feb 10, 2012 10:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
O-line jitters
I have to admit this past recruiting cycle had me worried about the offensive line. I know there’s some chatter out there about pulling in a lot of recruits for the line every other year (same class = cohesion?) and that Tallahassee became home to a pretty good-sized crop in the 2011 cycle. Still, when I look at some of the top guys in the new rivals top 250, I just don’t see that many guys on the o-line period (http://bit.ly/wgrwUd).
I’m glad they got a commitment out of Golson, but look at the list of o-linemen. Of those who are on the list, not many are from the areas where FSU has done well such as Florida, Alabama and Georgia. I wouldn’t presume to tell Jimbo Fisher and Jim Trickett their business, but I sure hope there’s a lot more out there than meets the eye for 2013’s offensive linemen.
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by NoleFanMark on Feb 9, 2012 9:00 PM EST reply actions
We don't need top 250 recruits on OL
We need is 5 upperclassmen, muscled up for 1-2 years and coached up for 3-4 years. And behind them, 5 underclassmen in the process of emerging into upperclassmen.
exactly. The 2011 group was important. 2012, combined with staggering of 2011 class, will provide depth. 2013 is huge for OL
4-5 minimum if they’re going to continue to do the alternating classes. The alternating classes don’t bother me for OL, but a 3 year gap (2008-2011, skipping 2009/2010) hurts, bad. Injuries played a huge part in the recriting deficit
Chris Thompson
Has anyone heard anything about Chris Thompson? Would love to see him suit up this fall, but even more I’d like to hear that the injuries won’t mess him up permanently. Can’t find any news on him, though.
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by NoleFanMark on Feb 12, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions
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