FSU streak ends in an unlikely place
by Michael Rogner on Feb 8, 2012 9:13 PM EST
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PrintFSU's 1st ever 7-game conference winning streak ended tonight against one of three teams tied in the conference cellar. Boston College made 10-22 3s and 16-23 FTs to beat FSU 64-60. Jordan Daniels and Lonnie Jackson combined to make 7-12 3s, and dribble penetration by the Eagles pushed FSU's defense into reaction mode all night.
On the offensive end, FSU's shots just didn't drop. The best 3-point shooting team in the ACC made only 5-20 from beyond the arc. Michael Snaer led FSU with 16 points, but made only 6-18 shots. Bernard James and Ian Miller each scored 12.
FSU now falls to 7-2 in conference play, with a huge game at home against the surging Miami Hurricanes on Sunday.
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I wish I had time.
Anticipating a lot of really dumb comments I could address in a recap
by Michael Rogner on Feb 8, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
I’d appreciate some type of analytic explanation since I couldn’t watch the game and don’t want to content myself with “we should have ‘shut this team down’ but didn’t.”
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Michael, your efforts here are greatly appreciated.
Your game thread had 660 comments. It would have had a fraction of that had it not been for the groundwork you’ve put in to a longball school.
Now, on to Miami!
They hit a lot of threes
We missed a lot of shots – ones we’ve been making Snaer especially
We bought a lot of pump fakes leading to odd-man rushes at the basket and FSU fouls
we also settled for a lot of jumpers instead of attacking the basket and using our size
just looked like a team that kept waiting to take control but never did
OUTPLAYED
Lets go Puke.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 9:15 PM EST reply actions
Really? We lost to FRIGGEN the BC turds?
Disgusted!
by TCHOP561 on Feb 8, 2012 9:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm not typically one of those guys,
but I just shot a text to a friend, “told you so”
Anyways, just cause I punched in a random number, doesn’t mean he’s not my friend.
I have no faith in Hamilton, though he would have made a bad-ass “The Wire” ‘po’-lice chief.
"Sweet baby Jesus on Fire, I'm need of a damn lawyer and a miracle to pull my ass out of this."
3-4 down the stretch now seems very possible.
10-6 in conference would be a major disappointment at this point. Bunch of tough games to go and this was an " easy" one we really needed.
Not surprised
Hate to be that guy but I’ve been living and dying with this team for my entire life and this does not surprise me at all. I said earlier today to some friends that this is the game they will loose. I hope Im wrong about this, but i dont see them bouncing back too quickly. God this team is so frustrating and has been that way for as long as I can remember.
I will always be pulling for you #20.
April 20, 1996 - February 28, 2009
and
I realize I havent posted here a lot but I was born in Florida, moved away for a long time to the Philly area and then went to FSU. My sports life is very confusing. :)
I will always be pulling for you #20.
April 20, 1996 - February 28, 2009
Start up a booster club! Just do it on Facebook.
We need more alumni action in big cities. When I moved to Houston I didn’t know a soul, but the alumni club there was HUGE! And the Seminole Club of the Rockies meets in LoDo across the street from the gator club in downtown Denver. Lots of fun!
Said the same thing
Knew we would take the L. Oh well, maybe it will ground them a little and they’ll get better for it. Just stinks because this falls in that “bad loss” category and I imagine our road to the 1 seed willl be tougher with a date with Duke, we need to beat them again, which I can’t see happening.
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
Shouldn't see any....he didn't shoot 5-20 behind the arc, and he wasn't out there playing soft D.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
Don’t think you can blame Ham on this one, as bad as we were. Just a crappy night. Just a couple of nights ago I watched Syracuse have one against an unimpressive ND team, and got beat. It happens.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
ND ain't last in the conference
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Feb 9, 2012 12:06 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Snaer 6 of 18 and Loucks 1 of 8 from the floor.
19 missed shots between them. With Boston College hitting 10 three’s, that is some cold, hard mathematics you just can’t argue with.
As bad as B.C. is, and they are bad, I am gonna take some advice give to us earlier in the season by MRogner: don’t get too high on the wins or to low on the losses. Its one game. One game. It has…or should have…nothing to do with what happens Saturday vs. Miami or the rest of this season.
This team has proven it can beat anyone left on the schedule. Get back on that horse, and BEAT MIAMI!
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
by GoNolzOhio on Feb 8, 2012 9:41 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Definitely
I’m not jumping off an building or anything. Just really disappointed. This is a bad loss any way you slice it. And if this program was ever going to have a shot at a regular season ACC “championship” this was it. A bad loss like this just makes that much more of a steep climb. And, yes, I realize it’s not particularly realistic to hope for that for this program, but they had certainly put themselves in a good position to have a legit shot this year. Those odds just went way, way down.
ACC championship
Was always foolishly optimistic, but it will become mathematically impossible once Pitt and Cuse join the league. This was likely our only shot. Ever. Ever. … Ever.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. With the way the schedule was laid out this year, an ACC championship was more than possible. Particurly after starting 7-1 in conference.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Back eight was always the killer
Duke, at NC State, at Virginia, and against a suddenly very good Miami team twice. We’ll be extremely fortunate to finish 12-4. I expect 11-5.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Always the killer?
I think it’s pretty evenly spread out.
And Miami is not “very good”.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Tell that to duke.
Miami manhandled them.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
We could go 0-2 this week. UM could come into Tucker and get a W for sure.
We NEED a win saturday.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it'll help that Miami plays tomorrow night.
Then we get them early on Saturday(1pm).
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Miami is a good team, but they're no better than UVA.
And we got our ass whipped by UVA, right?
Oh wait. No we didn’t.
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no better than UVa is right.
Tonight was one game, and we are talking about amateurs here. We sucked. B.C. hit a ridiculous amount of threes and we lost by 4. Lets move on to Saturday is my opinion.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
UVA is better than Mia. And UVA matches up with FSU better than Mia.
I like FSUs odds on Sat… @Mia is more concerning.
Next six games
Miami
VT
Nc state
Duke
Virginia
Duke
No soft opponents. No GTs or, um, BCs. Bound to lose two or three of them. Anything more optimistic, and you just aren’t being kind to yourself.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops. Miami instead of duke at the end.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
You can easily say that now.
You said “always”, which is kinda silly.
In fact, a ton of chatter about finishing with one or two losses before this game. Doesn’t sound like too many people saw the back half as “always the killer”.
One game, and people are already wringing their hands…BC needed hail mary shooting and FSU to have a god awful game on BOTH ends, and we still almost pulled it out
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
I wasn't chattering
And the hand-wringing now is just as off-base as the equally biased optimism on this board that was sprouting from all corners before tonight. I could be wrong, but it appears our offense has been cooling down since the Duke game.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I've watched nearly every FSU game since Hamilton took over.
And I’d wager that a ton of other people here have too.
With that being said, you’ll be hard pressed to find any EDUCATED FSU BBall fan who feels markedly different about this team after tonight. I feel no different about them than I did 3 hours ago.
You may not have been personally chattering, but to say it was “always the killer” was just not true, in my opinion. Apparently it’s yours, so I’ll respect it and move on, but I don’t think there’s any evidence to back it up
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
So have I. Court side for the last four years.
Only easy game in the second half of the ACC schedule was the one we lost tonight.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Good for you.
And that’s certainly very easy to say in hindsight, I agree.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
We'll let's get your forecast on the record right now, fella
I double-dog dare you to make a prediction, since you seem to think no one else is capable of quantitative analysis.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
I’ll make you a deal.
I’ll give you your “forecast” when you can give me a comment from December regarding how the back half of the schedule was going to be “killer”.
How’s that?
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
before any predictions are made, I'll point out
the obvious: no team in any division of the NCAA plays games in 6-game “sets.” You play ’em one at a time. While I can, and do, participate in the “how many of the final 7 games will the Noles win” arguments, they are sh*ts & giggles arguments only. Arguments fraught with peril. Who would have penciled in UNC and at Duke as wins, and B.C. as a loss?
Only game that matters now is Saturday vs, the Canes.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Exactly. Which brings my argument full circle…a blanket statement about the back half of the schedule being “the killer” seems more of an overreaction to a bad game than “quantitative analysis”.
A 30+ point win against UNC and a loss to a team starting 4 freshman.
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crazy.
A 30+ point win against UNC and a loss to a team starting 4 freshman.
And a ‘Heels team with McDonald’s All-Americans all over the court. That’s some serious black comedy.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
I guess you don't want to be serious
In that case, continue to keep spreading sunshine, sunflowers, and insightful analyses like “it was just a bad night.” I predict 11-5 based on a probability model weighted by RPI and home/away. It adjusts as the RPI fluctuates. Not that spiffy, and I don’t even need to use STATA. But it beats “bad nights.”
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome
Much easier to predict when you’re more than halfway through the schedule, eh?
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
I built it
Before the season started. Like any model, it becomes accurate has more real data become available.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
11-5 or 12-4 both seem like reasonable outcomes at this point
10-6 would be disappointing. 13-3 would be remarkable.
FSU has reached 12-4 once in 20 years.
Me personally? I'll take 11-5 and a Aylar Lie
handjob out of this team every year and be very happy.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
i think that is accurate... but Duke doesnt play defense.
You played an uninspired UNC team (for at least a half) and two of the bottom teir defenses in Mary and Duke, back-to-back-to-back. A “cool down” was expected.
I certainly wouldn't have thought we would win 7 in a row either.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Me, neither.
Which is why I want delude myself with thinking the improbable will in fact happen twice. Especially while Loucks is still on scholarship.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Double damn iPad fail. "won't" not want.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
"Improbable"
Like a stellar pass to Snaer at the end of the Duke game?
Where were you then, eh?
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Sorry you dared to dream buddy
Reality is a cold hard place where louckes usually passes to cheerleaders and clangs threes off the rim.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
he is just over 30% from the arc and has nearly a 2:1 ato
just about the definition of average.
meanwhile peterson is just over 25% and barely at 1:1… take your pick.
I guess I will concur with your assessment that that is a tough
six games. Don’t know if I’d go so far as to say we are “bound” to lose any of them, however.
My point is, the ball is in FSU’s court. How well they do in those 6 games is up to them.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
I think we have 7 games left
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Clemson is the last game at home
And we usually play them much tougher at home. I guess I’ve just penciled that one in as a win. If we can take four of the next six, I’ll be happy. If we sweep, I’ll come back here and eat every word. Gladly. Joyfully.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think Clemson is in there somewhere.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
And it also just demonstrated
It can lose to any team left. Including two of the worst in conference.
by World Violation on Feb 8, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta look at it as they aren't as good as the ranking indicated.
Still not good enough have everything go against them and grind out a win. When your senior PG is chucking up 42 footers w/ 20 seconds left on the shot clock, then you’re not gonna win.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
wtf was that anyway? did he think the 11 was a 1? That was really odd.
Loucks had a couple of bonehead moments. The TO at the end of the half comes to mind.
Loucks played poorly, no doubt.
Hopefully, he’s learning he’s human now, rather than later in the season.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Watching the replay of that shot
A lob to James instead of the shot would have led to an easy dunk and a possible 3 point opportunity. Dammit!
Agreed.
That was really Dulkys’ pass to make though, instead he passed it backwards to Loucks.
He's high risk high reward.
Somtimes you get solid play, sometimes you get dumb play. He’s averages out to be an average PG.
Honestly, he’s exceeded expectations this year. I expected Peterson to come in and blow Loucks outta the water.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Nah, not really.
It was a little bit out of character for him. If that had been Ian Miller, Terry Whisnant, or hell, even Xavier Gibson, I would go “yep…that’s par for the course”, but I certainly as a fan expect more out of Loucks.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Luke's three clanged off of the front of the rim. 2 inches off. Maybe one.
He must have been feeling the moment, and he came as close as one could come to putting it in. If it had gone, we’d all be praising the shot. As it is, he missed, we lost, it wasn’t that shot that cost us the game. Mike looked disjointed tonite. Okaro didn’t have a good game. James had foul trouble. It was a bunch of little things that cost the team the game. We are not a juggernaut, and, honestly, it’s more fun this way.
GO NOLES!!!!!
id rank Okaro and Gibson #1 and 2 on the disappointment list tonight
though the way the game was played, some of that was not Xs fault
You're never as good as your best game, nor as bad as your worst.
Holds true for this team.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
We all knew it wouldn't last....
I’d rather get beaten all game then blow a 13 point lead. Blew a big 2nd half lead against UVA as well.
Seniors need to lead. You cant go into BC and get outplayed by four freshmen starters.
Time for Ham to rip down the press clippings in the locker room, and get this squad re-focused. I hope practice is hell on earth tomorrow….reality check BOYS.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 9:51 PM EST reply actions
If you have to lose, I agree with:
I’d rather get beaten all game then blow a 13 point lead.
In my opinion, there are two teams in the ACC legitimately capable of 8-game conference winning streaks. I’ll take a 7-game streak any damn year. It beats being VaTech, who continually comes as close to getting in the tournament as you can without getting in, and now finally get their schedule fixed and are 2-6 in the conference.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
We're mentioned with Duke & UNC in the same conversation on ESPN.
That doesn’t hurt. Feels kind of good, actually.
When have you
ever seen an FSU team maintain focus all season long and not lose a ridiculous game like this?
the pros dont even do that.
certainly cannot expect anything different from amateurs.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Thats an "and" statement
Its impossible to stay focused the whole season, but when have we ever completed a season and not lost a game we should easily have won?
Can this not be said about like 99% of teams?
when have we ever completed a season and not lost a game we should easily have won?
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Here's an example
Look at the on-air competition tonight. Kansas vs. Baylor
Kansas, all the talent in the world, 5 losses. 3 against Kentucky, Duke and Mizzou. 2 others against Iowa State and Davidson.
Which ones are the lack of focus games vs. understandable losses.
Now look at Baylor: 3 losses, 2 against Kansas and 1 against Mizzou. Right now, they don’t have any real losses that are probably from a lack of focus.
Only a few places in the rankings separated those teams and FSU
They played tonight
Didn’t have to look too hard for an example. Haven’t gotten to the other box scores yet.
So far.
I’m sorry, I must be missing your point.
In my opinion, most college athletic teams lose at least one game they should’ve easily won most seasons. One isolated, incomplete incident isn’t going to sway many people
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Right,
You said most.
It can be done, but like I said, we’re not one of the programs that do it.
I mean...are you expecting us to?
If so, you have my admiration.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Hey man
I just asked a question. You can suggest my expectations all you want.
But if you’re trying to tell me losing to BC is acceptable, I bet everyone that wore Garnet and Gold on the court tonight disagrees with you.
Would be impressed if that were true.
But I’m too drunk to google.
ucla went like 3 years w/out losing a game
finally lost to notre dame
which is why digger phelps has a job today (coach of nd)
Mostly true
But I’ll say there was a lack of focus in the first half against Ga Tech, but they pulled it together and won.
The national championship thing…can’t buy that. You can play a great, focused, flawless game and just get beat by a better team.
but every game you lose impacts your perception of who is better, does it not?
so you are only ever allowed to lose games to what? higher RPIs? top ten teams? i share your frustration but its a silly premise.
Its definitely a rolling scale
of who is “good”, but there are just some games that are inexcusable. BC and Clampson are those games for us right now.
The losses to UConn, Florida, Michigan State , and to some degree even the nerds, were games that were understandable.
Only Saw 1st Half
And the D looked out of sync. Either that or BC really was hitting everything and rebounding what they missed.
Dammit.
Didn’t see this game, was busy watching the Magic kick the crap out of the Heat.
Anything to get out if that #5 seed
This will be enough to keep a 6-seed as the ceiling. Perfect.
BC is ranked 237th in the RPI
This is a BAD loss and will affect seeding, unless we go 12-2 in conference. I’m not willing to wager on that.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
i assume you mean 12-4?
the 5 line is possible at 11 wins too, just depends on who the 11 are… but no arguments on that being a BAD loss. It certainly hurts the resume. 12 reg seasons wins is still within reach. The important games left of the roadies… Have to find a way to win two of @UVA, @MIA, and @NCSU. Id put those odds at 50/50 right now.
Oops, yeah 12-4.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
to be perfectly honest, I was never that concerned about seeding.
I want in, thats it.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
No kidding.
This team is so inconsistent, to worry about seeding is pointless. We could easily get a worse matchup as a 4 seed than we’d get with a 7 or 8.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Really. Only Duke and UNC should be concerned about seeding.
I’ll say it again: how’d you like to be a Hokie hoops fan? Horrifying few seasons of being on the bubble, now 2-6 this year. No thanks. Get me in the Dance, and I’m happy.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
well matters not... regional sites:
First Four (March 13 and 14)
University of Dayton Arena, Dayton, Ohio
NOTE: Between one and three other sites will be selected.
Second and third rounds (March 15/17) and (16/18)
Rose Garden, Portland, Oregon (Host: University of Oregon)
The Pit, Albuquerque, New Mexico (Host: University of New Mexico)
Consol Energy Center, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (Host: Duquesne University)
KFC Yum! Center, Louisville, Kentucky (Host: University of Louisville)
Nationwide Arena, Columbus, Ohio (Host: Ohio State University)
CenturyLink Center Omaha, Omaha, Nebraska (Host: Creighton University)
Bridgestone Arena, Nashville, Tennessee (Host: Ohio Valley Conference)
Greensboro Coliseum, Greensboro, North Carolina (Host: Atlantic Coast Conference)
Regional sites (March 22/24) and (23/25)
East Regional, TD Garden, Boston, Massachusetts (Host: Boston College)
West Regional, US Airways Center, Phoenix, Arizona (Host: Arizona State University)
Midwest Regional, Edward Jones Dome, St. Louis, Missouri (Host: Saint Louis University)
South Regional, Georgia Dome, Atlanta, Georgia (Host: Georgia Tech)
Each regional winner will advance to the Final Four, held March 31 and April 2 in New Orleans at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome, hosted by Tulane University.
are you saying we're making it to the Final Four?
Sweet! Orbitz here I come.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Tell you what.
If we make the final four, you have a personal invitation to casa’ de CornNole, and we’ll drive over to Nawlins and burn the damn thing down.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
I'm in for that! You know what? I just bought the airline
ticket! How’s that for confidence?
Ehh…I’m screwed, aren’t I?
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Yes.
But DixieNole, BostonNole, and CelticPride are meeting us there.
My guess is BostonNole gets arrested for teabagging a Kentucky fan in Krystals at 2AM.
“Tomahawknation Teabagger”
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i assume he is practicing on BC fans as we speak
if it was painful to watch online… the poor kid.
what happened to that Bama dude who did that?
I heard he was up on a felony charge. Man, that is stiff. You don’t want to screw around with felonies. Mess you up.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Excessive, IMO
he did the wrong thing, in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Bad luck
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some Bama fan after the national title
was caught on video in a Krystal’s teabagging some passed out LSU fan. Last I heard, he was up on felony charges.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
I WILL say that I was secretly hoping for a reg season ACC championship
For exposure/recruiting…for Ham, really.
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everyone's allowed to dream. I was dreaming of the regular
season title as well.
Having said that, I doubt seriously any legit FSU hoops fans here or anywhere would have bet a paycheck on it. I know I wouldn’t have.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Betting on FSU basktball is like slapping a hot girl on the ass
Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you get punched in the nuts.
EIther way, it’s not smart.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by CornNole on Feb 8, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
W/ BC still being so fresh, its hard to picture taking a couple of those road games
But, 50/50 sounds about right.
I’d like to see an angry squad on saturday playing w/ a chip and resolve.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt. 100% agreement on that last statement.
I’ll be disappointed otherwise.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Yeah!
Where was Kreft-upside-your-head tonight?
Ham shoulda sent him in to break that freshman’s elbow as soon as he got hot.
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Agreed....Kreft should of been doing some regulating fo sho
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Bad bad loss....
It’s not the end of the world though. We just have to regroup against Miami. ACC title was an unrealistic goal IMO anyway.
by fsunole23 on Feb 8, 2012 10:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We played so badly,
Even Princeton is embarrassed.
by FSU95WLU00 on Feb 8, 2012 10:39 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
And rec
Here's a Hymn to the Garnet and the Gold, ringing to the sky...
We needed this game
To bring us back to earth. Hopefully, this will keep the guys from getting too full of themselves.
by NoleySmokes on Feb 8, 2012 10:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'd muuuuuuch rather have come back to earth in Charlottesville.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
I've lived in Charlottesville.
No one there is down to earth.
You didn't like Charlottesville?
My brother lived there for 4 years. I thought it was pretty nice. Then again, I was only a visitor.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Apparently every top 10 cities rating service disagrees with me also.
I think if you are a UVA student or a single guy, it’s fine. But it’s a difficult place to make a living as a family man, with a non-existent middle class and a real lack of affordable middle class housing, because the perimeters are so fenced in by old-guard equestrian estates of hundreds of acres. Few jobs outside the hospital or the university, and an odd amount of traffic for a small city because Thomas Jefferson apparently designed the roads on a cocktail napkin, bearing down on Sally Hemmings’ buttocks. True story. Maybe not. Anyway, i’m not a populist, but the level of pretention between the university students, the Keswick foxhunting set, and the equestrian community in general, is tangible.
by FSU95WLU00 on Feb 8, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, a buddy of mine (FSU 86 grad)
Dated a UVA girl for awhile and caught some games up there. He said the town was very beautiful, but the superiority of the students had nothing to do with the game being played. They were better. Period.
classic - you recall the bumper sticker back when they integrated VMI?
’women at VMI?
whats next, men at UVA?’
The tradition FSU reality check game...
Maybe someday we’ll go a season without one of those, but for now all we can do is complain about how inexcusable this loss is.
Here's a Hymn to the Garnet and the Gold, ringing to the sky...
*traditional
Here's a Hymn to the Garnet and the Gold, ringing to the sky...
I think we may have woken a sleeping giant
UNC is taking Puke to the shed.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions
i dont think duke is worthy of a top10 billing
but i also think UNC, UK, OSU, and Cuse are clearly the best 4 teams out there. So a bit of both.
so, we'll be in 2nd place by ourselves, Even considering tonight's debacle, thats not a bad
place to be in.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
I am questioning Duke as an elite team.
Temple, FSU, Miami…good wins against Michigan State and Kansas, tho
They’re hot and cold. I like UK, Syracuse, and Ohio State much better
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Maybe not so giaganic after all
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
this comment kinda puts the game in perspective
just how badly UNC let this one get away is wonder
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
i used to not like
Him. But he loves the sport, loves the kids, gets into and becomes part of the atmosphere, knowledgeable. I don’t know, just not a lot to dislike.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Feb 8, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
What about the fact that he's a terrible announcer?
All the other stuff is great for an analyst or something. Find someone else to do the games.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
That's like saying I hate Rick Scott because he sucks.
No logic or argument there at all. Just opinion.
what the hell is zeller thinking?
i dont know about this tipin for 3pts crap vitale and bilas are spewing but that could have been a goaltend
DOOK WINS DOOK WINS!!!
Here's a Hymn to the Garnet and the Gold, ringing to the sky...
29 points and 6 threes for austin rivers. this is some sh*t.
14 threes!!!!!!!!
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
That was insane
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 11:18 PM EST reply actions
And with that Duke win
we still have the best record in the ACC. a 2 loss UNC is THIRD.
hate to see Duke win, but in this situation, i would be lying if i said i wasnt wishing for it.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I'm sure most Noles were pulling for Duke
Particurly after the BC loss.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 8, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
for those in the know, im sure you are right
but it doesnt make me any less uncomfortable to cheer for Duke
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
As someone who lives in North Carolina...
I was pulling for Duke and would have been under any circumstance. Carolina fans (at least in my experience) have the unique ability to chastise Duke for being elite while, at the same time, looking down their nose at all other fan bases.
They are an interesting blend of “wine and cheese” and obnoxious.
In addition, I know it’s not popular, but I do admire K. If I was running a program, I would definitely try to emulate what he has done.
Now a three-way time atop the ACC:
Duke 7-2
North Carolina 7-2
Florida State 7-2
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
And we've beaten Dook & Carolina!
Maybe the world didn’t end tonight?
and we don't have to play Carolina again.
Not that I expect a three-way tie, but the best Carolina can do among the three tied teams is 1-2.
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
and NOT A 5 SEED
anything but that
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Amen to that.
I know people argue against the curse, but the numbers do not lie.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
i would pay to trade a 5 seed for a freakin 9 seed
just to get out of that nightmare matchup
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
i would do it anyway
i cannot imagine a better matchup with a 12 seed than an 8. can you?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
"Oh, heavens, no, not the #5 seed one, anything but the #5 seed."
'Scuse me while I whip this out..."
Thank you Duke.
For keeping us at #1 in the ACC.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
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by shonole on Feb 8, 2012 11:23 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
So the ACC season
starts with a loss to a crappy team on the road.
And then is followed by seven straight wins.
Here’s hoping we repeat that pattern
Twice.
The beginning of the end
And just like that…the pixie dust wore off and the old FSU basketball team was back!
I was pretty upset watching our game
But in a “I can’t believe this is happening” kind of way more than being angry about our team.
There’s just not much you can do when their threes are going down at a ridiculous pace, combined with not being able to hit threes OR layups. Add in scoring a bucket for them, and taking away a bucket from your own team with an offensive goaltending, and that’s going to happen.
There were definitely some defensive lapses, but at someone else alluded to, it really doesn’t change anything about my expectations about whether we win or lose any other game on our schedule.
I honestly didn't know...
…that an offensive player could commit goaltending. I was shocked when I saw that call. Wouldn’t that negate the alley-oop? Crazy.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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I need to support the boys more. But I just can't help this:
2011 winner of the DocHoliday2 MS Paint/Photoshop Award. So I've got that going for me.
by ricobert1 on Feb 9, 2012 9:22 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
this
Is exactly what I was thinking.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Feb 9, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
No, no, no
We’re way past “Who are these fuckin’ guys.”
We’ve move beyond “They’re shitty.”
We’re definitely in the “They’re still shitty” phase.
James only took four shots from the field (4-4), while Loucks shot it eight times (1-8).
This is a major problem imho. Yes, James was in foul trouble for most of the game, but he still played 23 minutes to Loucks’ 29 minutes. Loucks, especially on a poor shooting night, should never have more shot attempts than James in any game…period. (The only exception to this would be if Loucks decided to break out his best impression of the Dulkys-UNC experience.) Make the extra pass and pound it inside. I’ve been very impressed with Loucks of late, and this is definitely not a diss against him; I just think that the inside game (+ Snaer) has to be our bread and butter. We have too many streaky shooters for it not to be.
To everyone saying...
“I told you this was going to happen” and “I knew this was coming”, congratulations Nostradamus, your FSU basketball knowledge is superior to all who believed we had a chance to win this game. It is not however, superior to my wife’s, who walked in the room with 3 minutes left and said “We are going to lose. This always happens.” She has watched a grand total of 0 games this year.
If you knew ahead of time that Snaer and Loucks would combine for 7 for 26 from the field, James would get into early foul trouble, and BC would make an unusually high number of 3’s, then I honestly commend you. Otherwise I don’t want to hear about your feeling analysis that happens to right… after the game is over. Even if you said we would lose before the game, but had nothing to support it, other than" this always happens to us", it is meaningless. Good teams lose to bad teams every night in college basketball. There is always a chance. It does not mean the character of this team is to lose to bad teams. They had a bad night. Period. We will beat some better teams and lose to some worse teams, just like every other team in America (except maybe Murrey State).
Unless you can point to a new or unexploited weakness in the team, your “we’ll finish the year 3-4” predictions are garbage as well. It took more than one game for this team to prove the are legit ACC champion contenders and it will take more than one game to prove they are not.We are still currently tied for first with the tiebreakers. If you can give me some meaningful game analysis, then predict away, but otherwise it makes you look clueless.
This is not directed to anyone in particular and I didn’t read all of the comments above, but I got the general sentiment early on. I think anyone who reads the basketball boards regularly could have expected such a response. I found the loss frustrating and this response to it even more so. I acknowledge that this is the internet and my opinion means as little as your’s does.
Full Meltdown Mode
by TBfisherman on Feb 9, 2012 10:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I posted this on the Orlando Sentinel Piece, and I for one - agree with you TBFisherman.
"I know it’s easy to say that FSU "reverted back" to their old habits. FSU has never been an offensively superior team, and they still put up 60 points in a road contest, which is sufficed to say, just beneath their season average. So expecting them to hang 80 on BC is off.
Also – FSU did not turn the ball over 15+ times, which is "reverting back" to their old habits. FSU played sound fundamental basketball, and still scored some vicious points in the paint, which FSU used to have a lot of trouble doing.
Calls were skewed heavily in BC’s favor, and the ball just kept falling for them on the outside shots.
It was BC’s night. FSU did not play poorly. Yes the shooting by Snaer and Dulkys was quiet, but not completely non-existent.
This was a bad loss by FSU, but moreso – it was a solid win by BC. They played with nothing to lose, and they won. Stop acting like the season is over.
One thing to bear in mind is this – in order for FSU to win in the post season, they must learn from regular season LOSSES AND WINS. We have key educational opportunities from both. We can beat the best, and lose to the worst. It’s all up to our guys to play FSU basketball, which means sound defense, and key interior play.
We’ll be just fine. We weren’t expected to win the conference prior to the season’s start, and most fans figured us for dead, and abandoned the team after the Princeton loss.
If you can’t support your team in defeat, then you’re not wanted in victory."
My thoughts – people who want to whine following the loss, don’t take the time to respect what BC did. They played their hearts out, and got all the breaks. Sometimes the stars do align. Don’t sell FSU short because BC had a great night guys. TB won’t, and neither will I.
GO NOLES!
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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Somewhat Agree....
As someone who could not see the game I don’t have a lot to say about what happened. BC did show a little life against NC State. I agree with you that this is not the end of the season and Duke certainly gave us some help. However with that said, this is the kind of game an elite ACC program will not lose. While I agree we did not revert back to our old habits, this lost suggest we are more still a 3rd, 4th, or 5th place team in the conference as opposed to a 1st or 2nd place team. In other words, Carolina or Duke would not have lost this game.
In Kirk we Trust
Duke gets beat at home by Miami?
Then turns around and beats Carolina in Chapel Hill? Dook is not elite, I guess?
But an elite Carolina team loses by 33 to FSU?
by Michael Rogner on Feb 9, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY!!!!
Which, by the transitive property makes FSU elite and therefore vulnerable to BC. See, it all makes perfect sense!
Incorrect
FSU played God awful.
They didnt attack the basket at all. And their D was so lazy its not even funny. They didnt close out on 90% of the 3 point attempts, they didnt switch well, and they didnt protect our own basket at all. Not to mention the black hole that X was all game aka ball goes into him and everyone collapses around him and he and the ball disappear.
I am fine with 1 game doesnt define a season. And yes BC played better than they are. BUT there is still no way we shouldve lost that game and FSU played like sh*t – no two ways about it.
I think what a lot of people in the community cant get there head around is that this is a team built around seniors.
Props to BC, but I cant help but think this team went up to Boston expecting a win the moment the whistle blew….and after getting off to a 23-10 start, I was drinking that juice as well.
When BC started to hit the 3’s in the first half, we ( once again, a team built around seniors ) did not respond. Instead of watching Ham going ballistic during the timeouts, it should of been Loucks, Dulkys, James etc….
I DO NOT think a team built w/ seniors from Durham or Chapel Hill would of laid that egg in Boston. The fact that BC started four freshmen compounds my personal frustration. Senior leadership needs to step up.
I’m hoping Ham delivers the practice from hell today.
"It's great to beat a Florida Gator...It's great to beat a Florida Gator..."
by garnet and golden in jax on Feb 9, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Carolina or Duke could have lost this game as well.
Duke lost to us many times when we were horrible. Even when they were #1, and I think they won the NCAA championship one of those years if I recall correctly. I think it is unrealistic to expect us to be on par with Duke or UNC as a program though, so I agree if you are comparing the programs as a whole. As for this year, in ACC play specifically, I think we have proven we are equals to this point. I know there are a lot of qualifiers in that last sentence, but it think they are justified given the lofty comparison.
Full Meltdown Mode
Nope
even my morning Starbucks isn’t making me feel better about this loss :(
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