ACC Offensive Line Game 1 Starters- A Statistical Breakdown
After the year the FSU offensive line had, I wondered how the other ACC teams faired when it came to starters and games played. I know subjectively we all felt the line was in flux but statistically what were the odds of this line falling apart like it did.
In order to find out I decided to take each ACC teams Game 1 starters and find out how many times they started the rest of the season. I approached it this way for the following reasons:
- 1. If an offensive lineman started Game 1, odds are he was viewed as one of the 5 best lineman available to the coaches
- 2. An offensive lineman plays most of the game and only comes out in the case of a substantial injury, I focused on starts to show if a player could play game in and game out they were producing better then the backups available
- 3. I broke down every starter individually and then I broke down each team as a whole.
In order to find what I was looking for I listed the number of starts from each offensive lineman, who started Game 1, and found the mean and standard deviation for all of these starters with in the ACC.
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Name |
Year |
Games Started |
Dev. About the mean |
x-mean^2 |
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|
Sr. |
4 |
(6.82) |
46.47 |
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|
David Spurlock OL |
Sr. |
5 |
(5.82) |
33.83 |
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FSU |
So. |
10 |
(0.82) |
0.67 |
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|
Sr. |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
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|
Jacob Fahrenkrug OG |
Jr. |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
Jr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Antonie McClain |
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
Clemson |
Brandon Thomas |
So |
8 |
(2.82) |
7.93 |
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|
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Sr |
11 |
0.18 |
0.03 |
||||
|
Dennis Godfrey |
Sr |
9 |
(1.82) |
3.30 |
|||
|
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Wake |
Garrick Williams |
Jr |
11 |
0.18 |
0.03 |
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|
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Max Garcia |
So |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
Jr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Maryland |
Sr |
5 |
(5.82) |
33.83 |
|||
|
Jr |
10 |
(0.82) |
0.67 |
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|
John Cary |
So |
9 |
(1.82) |
3.30 |
|||
|
R.J Mattes |
Jr |
10 |
(0.82) |
0.67 |
|||
|
So |
11 |
0.18 |
0.03 |
||||
|
NC St |
Jr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
Zach Allen |
Jr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Jr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Spinney |
Sr |
10 |
(0.82) |
0.67 |
|||
|
Gallik |
Fr |
3 |
(7.82) |
61.10 |
|||
|
BC |
White |
So |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
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|
Cleary |
Jr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
B. DeChristopher |
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
VT |
Andrew Miller |
So |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||
|
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Jr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
So |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
UVA |
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
Austin Prasztor |
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
So |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
So |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Will Jackson |
So |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
GT |
So |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
Jr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Tyler Kidnet |
So |
5 |
(5.82) |
33.83 |
|||
|
Brandon Washington |
Jr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
Karland Gunn |
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
Miami |
Tyler Horn |
Sr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||
|
So |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Jon Feliciano |
Fr |
8 |
(2.82) |
7.93 |
|||
|
So |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
Jr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
UNC |
Jr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
Travis Bond |
Jr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|||
|
Sr |
10 |
(0.82) |
0.67 |
||||
|
Kyle Hill |
Sr |
11 |
0.18 |
0.03 |
|||
|
John Coleman |
So |
10 |
(0.82) |
0.67 |
|||
|
Duke |
So |
9 |
(1.82) |
3.30 |
|||
|
Fr |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
||||
|
So |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
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|
|
649 |
1.42109E-14 |
294.9833 |
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Sum |
649 |
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Count (n) |
60 |
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|
Average (mean) |
10.81667 |
||||||
|
variance (s^2) |
4.999718 |
||||||
|
Std. Dev (s) |
2.236005 |
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|
Median |
12 |
||||||
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Mode |
12 |
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From that I found the statistical breakdown of an ACC offensive lineman who started week one.
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99.73% |
95.45% |
68.27% |
68.27% |
95.45% |
99.73% |
|
|
(3SD) |
(2SD) |
(1SD) |
Mean Games Started |
1SD |
2SD |
3SD |
|
4.11 |
6.344657 |
8.580662 |
10.81667 |
13.05267148 |
15.28867629 |
Basically, on average, an ACC offensive lineman who started Game 1 started 10.8 games in the 12 game regular season. There was a 68.27% chance they started between 8.58 games and to round it out all 12 games. A 2.275% that an offensive line started less than 6 games after starting Game 1 and a less than 0.135% chance an offensive lineman who started Game 1 started less than 4 games.
|
Name |
Year |
Games Started |
Dev. About the mean |
x-mean^2 |
|
Andrew Datko T |
Sr. |
4 |
(6.82) |
46.47 |
|
David Spurlock OL |
Sr. |
5 |
(5.82) |
33.83 |
|
Bryan Stork G |
So. |
10 |
(0.82) |
0.67 |
|
Zebrie Sanders T |
Sr. |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
|
Jacob Fahrenkrug OG |
Jr. |
12 |
1.18 |
1.40 |
So let's take a look at the FSU lineman and see what happened. Two of our five offensive linemen lie outside of two standard deviations of the mean starts. Statistically that is actually pretty absurd and can be considered a large part of the offensive line issues that were faced in 2011. Offensive lines are lucky to run 7-8 deep with quality so losing two starters who are asked to play the whole season is a killer. It was a double killer due to the lack of quality veteran depth behind the starting five that Bud warned us about all preseason.
Poor play can be attributed to the rest of the line as they played at or above the statistical mean of games started. On an individual basis you can see that in the ACC only Maryland and BC had a Game 1 starter who was below two standard deviations, combined tying FSU.
Now looking at the ACC teams as a whole we find FSU was setting records in probability.
|
Name |
Games of Starters |
Dev from mean |
x-mean^2 |
|
VT |
60 |
6.5 |
42.25 |
|
UNC |
58 |
4.5 |
20.25 |
|
NC St |
57 |
3.5 |
12.25 |
|
Wake |
56 |
2.5 |
6.25 |
|
Miami |
56 |
2.5 |
6.25 |
|
Clemson |
55 |
1.5 |
2.25 |
|
Duke |
54 |
0.5 |
0.25 |
|
UVA |
53 |
-0.5 |
0.25 |
|
GT |
53 |
-0.5 |
0.25 |
|
BC |
49 |
-4.5 |
20.25 |
|
Maryland |
48 |
-5.5 |
30.25 |
|
FSU |
43 |
-10.5 |
110.25 |
|
Sum |
642 |
0 |
251 |
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|
Count (n) |
12 |
||||
|
Average (mean) |
53.5 |
||||
|
variance (s^2) |
22.81818 |
||||
|
Std. Dev (s) |
4.776838 |
||||
|
95.45% |
68.27% |
68.27% |
95.45% |
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|
(2SD) |
(1SD) |
Mean |
1SD |
2SD |
|
|
43.94632389 |
48.72316 |
53.5 |
58.27684 |
63.05368 |
That is right, there was 2.275% chance that an ACC offensive line unit would start below 44 games started if they started Game 1. Now these statistics cannot measure quality of the players that were playing but it is of note that the three teams that had arguably the worst line play the in conference also faced more missed games by Game 1 starters. Another note of interest is Virginia Tech was very lucky as they put the same starting five offensive linemen out for every regular season game with four of those five starters being seniors. I would look for that offensive line unit to take a good step back next year.
I have always heard consistency and chemistry make as much of a difference as the individual talent of the lineman on the field. Now it is hard to discern the impact skill talent has on the offensive out from the offensive line, but looking at the final OFEI rankings from http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/feioff2011 one can compare final ranking versus offensive line consistency. Basically if an offensive line unit played at or above the ACC mean of Game 1 Starters making starts then offensive line unit is either not that talented or not the problem.
|
Name |
OFEI |
|
Miami |
3 |
|
GT |
16 |
|
Clemson |
22 |
|
VT |
35 |
|
Wake |
36 |
|
Duke |
40 |
|
UNC |
46 |
|
Virginia |
51 |
|
FSU |
54 |
|
NC State |
58 |
|
Maryland |
75 |
|
BC |
95 |
Comparing a few teams stand out as under achieving and over achieving. First, FSU who finished 51st in the OFEI, could actually be considered overachievers given the line issues. The talent and the coaches helped to cover for the train wreck that the line was and produced at a sadly acceptable level. NC State really under achieved, 57 out of 60 starts from the Week 1 starters and they finish behind FSU in the OFEI. This leads me to believe that coaching/talent would be the issue they are facing. FSU,BC, and Maryland really had offensive line troubles throughout the season and it can be seen in their final rankings of OFEI.
After reviewing the data a few things can be taken.
- 1. FSU faced lost starters due to injury or play level that no other team faced in the ACC and I would venture a guess in the NCAA
- 2. The offense still produced at about as high of a level as one could hope with the instability at the line.
- 3. Having a relatively healthy and consistent offensive line in 2012 should do a great deal to improve the effectiveness of the unit
- 4. It is unlikely that FSU will have their Game 1 starters only start 68% of the total starts due to injury and ability in 2012, if they even come close Rick Trickett will be out of a job.
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by newdynastynole on Feb 9, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
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This is very interesting and I'm sure it took a lot of effort.
Very much appreciate your sharing. However, just one small point that I hope won’t detract from this terrific work. Looking at these numbers in this manner inherently assumes that each 1st game starting player has equal and random chance to play the whole way or get hurt at any point. With that built in it paints the picture, incorrectly IMO, as unheard of bad luck. It cannot account for starting the season with two players that realistically suffered career ending injuries before the first snap and had basically no chance to play for any significant length of time.
Basically, FSU didn’t start the season with each player having the same probability of completing the entire season.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 9, 2012 9:44 PM EST reply actions
I’m not sure this interferes with the main analysis much because I believe this is mostly true: “1. If an offensive lineman started Game 1, odds are he was viewed as one of the 5 best lineman available to the coaches”
The coaches assumed Datko and Spurlock were still starters based on knowledge of the system and calls.
I took that point into account
There was no way to attribute a mathematical number to the chances that Spurlock and Datko would play out the whole season. Using the basis that Datko was pronounced healthy by the doctors and Spurlock passed the impact test, you have to accept that they were considered healthy or acceptable to play.
I used that fact that other offensive lineman were coming off surgery from other teams and that ,while the FSU chances seemed elevated, every team had linemen who entering the season were at risk to not last the season. It is a level of randomness I don’t have the knowledge to account for, but I do agree it probably skews the results some.
Just want to say again, this is excellent work and much appreciated.
I just think it overstates the luck aspect a little.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 9, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe so, maybe not.
I would agree one could argue that issues other than bad luck put Datko and Spurlock in their slots on day one despite their being banged up. But given the simplifying assumptions, it’s damned interesting how, for whatever reasons, our OL was by far the least able in the league to establish consistency.
How handicapped (not unlucky) was our OL this season in terms of putting our best 5 forward? A good rough estimate is established by this analysis. Does this get Trickett off the hook, if he is, because we were so “unlucky,” I don’t know.
I am apparently a lot more content with Trickett than most of the fan base. As has been mentioned here, he is not the OL recruiter, he has an area.
I’m also content that his marine background has driven some guys off. I’m sure there are unavoidable short term pains from this approach at times, but that kind of toughness, team-wide, seems to ensure we will never get 70 rammed up our shoots some day after our team quits mid second quarter in a big bowl.
I like that in a team.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
If you look at who trickett recruited on the rivals page
Youll see trickett was involved with the offensive linemen.
I didn't say he wasn't involved. He has to be involved with all OL recruits.
But the lead recruiter, according to Jimbo is not necessarily the position guy. They lead-recruit by areas. That doesn’t mean that Trickett hasn’t scared some away. it means it’s a little more difficult to blame him exclusively for bad OL recruiting—and I don’t think our OL recruiting has been bad based on who and when, just less than super when you look at who and when and “then what happened.”
We accept process as long as it produces immediate beneficial results.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
If Rick Trickett's my lead recruiter, I'm not picking up.
Now a nice young man like Dameyune or DJ? Sign me up.
Go tell it to Moses.
by FLpanhandler on Feb 15, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
If Rick Trickett is your lead recruiter,
“YOU WILL PICK UP YOU FILTHY LITTLE MAGGOT WHO DOESN’T BELONG HERE AND WHO I’M GOING TO START CALLING BY YOUR NEW NAME NANCY.”
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Feb 15, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What if 2011 was just a freakishly good year for acc offensive linemen staying healthy?
Should the analysis be done over a longer period? Or, should it be done for FSU offensive lines only? Or trickett-coached offensive lines? Or all of the offensive lines for a jimbo-led offense?
You could do it every year
I would venture a guess that there a few teams that have these issues while the majority see the number Wake, Miami and Clemson put up. I was more surprised comparing total starts to OFEI and seeing who produced poorly even with a consistent line.
On NCState..
I’d be interested to compare their Last 7 games OFEI compared to their first 6… They seemed to improve offensively throughout the year.

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