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Five-Year Football Conference Comparisons: Who's Number Two?

The art of football conference affiliation bragging was set up quite naturally with traditional bowl game ties and further encouraged with the advent of the BCS. Main stream media fuels the fire each year with rudimentary power rankings and ridiculous bowl season challenges. Simplicity is the commonality between these conference comparisons, in that they dig no deeper than wins and losses. This is not to say the conclusions drawn are necessarily erroneous, but correct answers born out of flawed evaluation deserve little praise. With SEC chants reaching a crescendo and non-SEC folks finding fewer reasonable detracting arguments I've noticed a growing debate over who deserves the heralded #2 billing. I've even been fortunate enough to receive idiotic tweets claiming the mid-major flavor of the month as superior to one or more BCS conferences. Rather than dismiss any case arbitrarily, I decided to quantify matters using the most comprehensive rating system in existence that, most importantly, gives ample numerical consideration to quality of competition. This is a five year evaluation based on the rating systems developed by Football Outsiders.

The first graphic displays the average team performance for each division I-A football conference over the last five years. As most of you know, the SEC won the BCS title in each of these seasons and for the first time in history sent two teams from the same conference to the championship game. From year to year the other conferences fluctuated rather dramatically, but over the five year span did not distinguish themselves from one another. What is important to note here is the considerable gap between the SEC and everyone else. It really is that big of a difference. They have been that much better. Another important concept to grasp: the gap between the best mid-major and the worst BCS conference IS BIGGER than that between the worst and best BCS conferences. And quite clearly you can see the BCS conferences all have positive team efficiency ratings (good), while the little guys have negative ratings (bad).

The SEC averaged more top-20 teams (4.2 per year, edging out the B12 with 3.8) and more 21-40 teams (3.4 per year, over 3.0 ACC teams) than any conference. This should help people realize it's not just about being top heavy, unless 2/3rds of a conference is considered "top". With 8.2 top-60 teams per year the ACC was second only to the SEC at 9.6 per year. And those two conferences were the only ones to not produce a bottom-20 team in any of the last five years.

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The Big-12 has produced some really incredible offenses, finishing with 7 top-10's between 2007 and 2008 alone. 2009 was a serious drop-off year with only two top-20s (TTU and TAMU) and three in the bottom 22 (including Oklahoma and Nebraska). But as most traditionalists will tell you and forthcoming evidence supports, defense is what matters most. It should also come as no surprise--to those willing to pay attention--just how awful ACC offenses have recently been. With only three top-10 finishes over five years (GT, FSU and FSU) it is the only BCS conference below the mid-major Mendoza line.

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The Big East not only produced the 2nd best five year average, but also boasts the best single season performance by any team with WVU's 31.50% rating in 2010. Alabama's 2011 defensive efficiency rating (22.40%) was the lowest top single season rating in the last five years. The SEC led the way with a total of nine top-10 defenses, while the ACC was second with eight. The weekly Big-12 shootouts are fun to watch, but damn the defensive ratings take a beating.

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Special teams value is incredibly underrated. Apparently, the SEC gets it. I think this is partly a function of athletically gifted underclassmen contributing while waiting their turns as regulars. If not for Virginia Tech and FSU, the ACC would have mid-major status. Speaking of which; according to the method used in this study (which is not necessarily correct) the dividing line between major and mid-major is quite clear. As such, the remainder of this discussion will include only BCS conferences.

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The Big East had strong 2007 and 2008 performances--finishing 2nd and 3rd, respectively--which were enough to maintain the #2 five-year average, but only 5th best over the past three. Rodriguez, Kelly and Leavitt all built respectable programs--and are now all gone--posting top-25 teams in each year and even cracking top-10 twice. 2008 was a terrific year for the ACC, with eleven top-60 teams and its lowest rated, Duke, finished at #66. It's been almost all or nothing for the Pac-10/12 as they've finished 2nd twice and last three times.

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So who deserves the "we're number two!" bragging rights? By the method I've chosen the nod goes to the Big East. You can decide based on what you see here or choose not to care--my personal choice--because it doesn't really matter. So lets focus on the ACC now. Below you can see what intuition probably revealed before reading any of this. Virginia Tech has clearly been the best, winning the conference title and finishing in the top-10 three times. They are also the only ACC team with top-25 finishes in each season. FSU missed a golden opportunity by fielding its best team of the five year period in 2011 while the ACC was at a five year low. Will the downward trend continue in 2012?

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ACC offenses took a big step up last year with incredible surges by Miami (72 to 15), Clemson (84 to 20) and Wake Forest (94 to 47), but failed to produce a top-10 unit for third time in five seasons. The best season, 2009, featured two top-10 offenses (GT and FSU) and a total of six top-25 groups. Huge props to Boston College for improving 25 spots last year, still bad enough for a three-peat at the bottom. On a positive note, 2011 was the only year to not feature a bottom-20 offense. Kudos.

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ACC defenses were nothing short of terrific from 2007 to 2010. 2008 was the banner year, featuring three top-10 groups (Wake, BC and Clemson) and an impressive eight top 42 (including Duke!!!). 2009 saw a significant slide thanks to Duke (#92) and FSU (#99), but was still 3rd best overall among BCS conferences. It's difficult to say whether much improvement will occur in 2012 or if 2008/2009 levels are repeatable in the near future. Do not expect BC or Clemson to rebound to top-10 quality or Miami to rebound at all. FSU is likely to repeat as the only top-10 defense next year and it's a safe bet the only other likely top-20 will be Virginia Tech.

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Beamer Ball is a term familiar to most ACC fans and Virginia Tech's success neatly coincides with excellent special teams play as they've produced top-10 special teams units three times and the ACC's top overall team in each of those years. The only anomaly here was winning the ACC in 2008 with the 80th rated special teams performance. FSU has consistently produced excellent special teams; ranking 31st, 6th, 7th, 15th and 2nd over the five year period. Replacing Shawn Powell will be no easy task, but with a wealthy talent pool and the entire roster at his disposal, Eddie Gran should have terrific coverage units again next year. Also, returning Dustin Hopkins and Greg Reid should go a long way in maintaining overall performance.

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While this evaluation method may not distinguish a clear number two, it certainly reinforces the SEC dominance perception-is-reality theory and that any notion of mid-majors deserving a seat at the big table is ridiculous (especially after losing their three best programs). Perhaps next week we'll use this method to evaluate how much each conference gained or lost from recent realignments.

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Thank you Dr.

This was an interesting read. I only hope we can keep it out of the hands of Big East fans. The last thing I want to hear is them chattering about how they are the second best.

by CrimiNOLElawyer on Mar 1, 2012 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

in this case

yes. The key culprit appears to be Bill Connolly’s S&P system. As far as I can tell, it’s the ONLY computer system of any sort that substantially respects the Big East, and since it’s 50% of F+, that’s the source of the bias. It COULD be that his system is right and everyone else is wrong, but it’s IMO much more likely that there’s something fundamentally off about how he’s rating individual leagues (and I’m almost certain that it’s the schedule adjustments).

by cfn_ms on Mar 1, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

They don't rate leagues, as far as I know.

I compiled all the individual team ratings and grouped them by conference. (using teams that were actually in each conference every year)

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 1, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

they don't specifically rate leagues

but since the majority of your opponents are in-league, how you calculate one league team affects the rating of another. In general, how you calculate schedule strength has a consistent up or down approach league-wide.

Essentially, super-simple approaches like average opponent results (either just win % or more detailed game data including margin) bias in favor of leagues that schedule fewer league games (like the Big East) or that schedule really light OOC (like the SEC and BIG).

As a simplistic example, let’s say you have a 9-team league with 8 league games and 4 OOC’s, that consists entirely of teams that are middling 1-A quality (that ought to be power-ranked between 50 and 70), and in fact everyone goes 4-4 in league play (again simplifying the example). If they play an OOC against teams of similar quality, they’ll all (let’s say) go .500 and you’ll get a league that’s rated right at the middle of the 1-A pack.

But if, instead, they load the OOC with atrocious creampuffs, the equation becomes different. Let’s say that every OOC game is against an 0-12 opponent, and the league sweeps those OOC games. Now every team ends up 8-4, just because they swept OOC play.

Now let’s look a bit further at the picture and evaluate the schedule strength of a league team (doesn’t matter which, all have identical resumes):

OOC opponents: 0-48
League opponents: 64-32
Total opponent record: 64-80 (44.4%)

So in the first case you have a 6-6 team that played against .500 opponents. In the second case you have an 8-4 (66.7%) team that played against opponents with a combined record of 64-80 (44.4% winning percentage). Pretty much any rating system that just looks at this information will rate the second case WAY above the first even though qualitatively there really shouldn’t be much of any difference (if you factor in margin or game data instead of just W/L the bias doesn’t change, it’s just that the system gets more complicated) .

So basically, in a simplistic SOS evaluation system there’s bias that favors leagues with overall lighters schedules (either b/c OOC’s are especially light or b/c there are more OOC games, since for all power leagues the OOC’s are on average easier than league games).

Of course, that is an overly simplistic example, since nobody schedules OOC quite that bad, and since most systems do at least go one more level down (i.e. opponent record AND opponents opponents record). However, the bias persists for less ridiculous OOC examples. It also persists in a rating system unless you work really hard to get a more accurate SOS calculation, either by going a lot of levels deep (think 5th level ) AND figuring out how to balance the weight for the 1st vs 5th opponent results, or doing something like regression or other statistical techniques.

The easiest way of doing this would be to do evaluate SOS recursively: first pass, everyone gets an “average” SOS score, then you calculate every team’s rating. Second pass, you apply the first pass rating to the new SOS calculations then re-calculate every team’s rating. Third pass, you apply the second pass ratings, and so on/so forth.

In the league example I provided, such a system would rate the league VERY highly in the first pass, and then take a bite out of the league’s rating every time it went through the system again (since the OOC’s would remain atrocious, or trend up only slightly, but the league opponents would decline until you got to an equilibrium point, possibly around middle of 1-A but that might depend on the structure of your system).

by cfn_ms on Mar 1, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't have to convince me of the problems

with trying to rate 120 teams against each other when each only plays 10% of the population and 75% of each team’s schedule comes from a 12ish team sub-population. It’s inherently a big transitive property exercise. But this system is the only one that even attempts to adjust for opponent.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 1, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

actually

almost every computer system attempts to adjust for opponent. Even Billingsley does, though his is so wacky and distorted it only sort of counts as an attempt.

I definitely agree with you about the connectivity issue. That’s something Fremau (the other FO guy) has written about a number of times. If/when we see the 1-A split (either the top 60-ish form a super-1-A or just walk from the NCAA entirely) that issue should be largely (though not completely) alleviated. Until then any statistical analysis has to “make do” with the current system.

One thing which does help a fair amount is bowl season. That provides a lot of inter-conference games matching up opponents of generally similar quality. Post-bowl ratings have a lot more information and can help w/ league comparisons a lot more than pre-bowl ratings.

by cfn_ms on Mar 1, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I am a computer guy.

I have my own computer rating system, which attempts to incorporate a little bit of everything.

(Do you have a year or so for me to go over the different rating systems that all correlate to one master average rating system? No? How about a gmail account capable of handling a 6 MB excel file?)

In either event, I’m a fan of Fremau. It’s far more mathematical than I can comprehend, but it’s also very very human. Why FEI and S&P are not in the discussion for being added to the BCS, is lost on me.

Aside from that, I will argue that even with 120 teams, and a good 30-40 more playing FBS teams from the FCS each season – there is certainly more than enough overlap for traditional SOS math to work.

“Here we go with SOS again.”

Hear me out on this one. It’s a different take on the same tired conversation. I did some math. Whether you use standard SOS, which (by my 1st grade math skills) is accurate to within 2 standard deviations of the actual strength of a team versus the entire field (95% accurate.)

SOS is the strength of a teams schedule based on the records of their opponents (foes) and their opponent’s opponents (foe once-removed.)

Some people make the argument that you need to know who the opponent’s opponents played to (foe twice-removed) which would be going 3 deviations out. This increases an SOS from 95% accurate, to 99.5% accurate.

SIX SIGMA is the idea of using data that stretches across 6 standard deviations, which would mean analyzing how strong a schedule is based on 6 levels of foes.

Foes
Foes (once-removed)
Foes (twice-removed)
Foes (three times removed)
Foes (four times removed)
Foes (five times removed)

The difference between the SOS figure using six sigma (99.9999% accurate) versus regular SOS (95% accurate) would look something like this:

(Hypthetical)

FSU SOS – (Regular) 0.591 or 59.1% (9.1% harder the 120 team field – with .500 being closest to the middle, or 60th, in terms of the SOS ratings.)

FSU SOS – (Six Sigma) 0.592481 or 59.2481% (9.2481% harder than the 120 team field.)

So in the absence of SOME OTHER argument, SOS works. Period.

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FEAR THE SPEAR!
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by fsutampaguy on Mar 1, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I have an email that can handle large files

cfn_ms@hotmail.com

Curious what yours says. I solidly disagree w/ your argument in principle, but am willing to see what your actual data says before commenting further.

by cfn_ms on Mar 1, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

PS

The S&P system uses opponents + opponents’ opponents’ results. I don’t know if he’s posted the weighting. But I’m almost certain he’s confirmed it doesn’t go any deeper than that. Which has been a point of debate b/w him and I a few times in the past (so keep in mind I’m not a perfectly unbiased observer and you should evaluate my comments with that in mind etc. etc.)

by cfn_ms on Mar 1, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Good comments

I also think that a lot of the pitfalls of any college football SOS system is the lack of connectivity. I haven’t looked at it for 2011, but for 2010 the six BCS conferences were just not that connected. I think the Pac10 and Big10 as a whole had 4-6 OOC games against other BCS schools. It just makes any interconference SOS very tenuous.

by BenDNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

very much so

especially when a bit chunk of inter-league comparisons come from Notre Dame (PAC and BIG play 2-3 games against ND per year, and ND also plays a couple other AQ games typically). SEC/ACC comparisons are a bit more defensible since there’s usually about 6 or so games between the leagues during the regular season (4 on last weekend, and there’s usually another 1-2 earlier on the year).

The P12 tends to have a fair number of games against AQ’s or high-level non-AQ’s (BYU, Boise, Utah before they joined etc.), so it tends to be a bit easier to compare them, except the bulk majority of their AQ opponents are B12, BIG or Notre Dame, so ACC, SEC or Big East comparisons are a lot tougher.

by cfn_ms on Mar 1, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

S&P going OR, OOR, and OOOR.

It makes no meaningful difference to SOS. I’ve done it – as I mentioned above.

[Opponent’s Record x 2]+[Opponent’s Opponents Record x1] / 3

GO NOLES!
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by fsutampaguy on Mar 1, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome effort DKN, and very well written

Not that I liked all of the realities or implications. The Big East as the overall #2 is the biggest surprise to me, and I can already hear the trash talk all the way from Morgantown :^(

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by GeoNole94 on Mar 1, 2012 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

Good stuff

Surprising though.
AQ conferences= King Kong and the 5 dwarfs.
NAQ conferences=fleas on your pet dog

by law74 on Mar 1, 2012 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

Your statistical analysis never fails to impress, my friend.

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by Nattylite on Mar 1, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

Question

Was the 2009 avg offense spike due to the avg defense dip, or was the avg defense dip due to the avg offense spike? Interested to know if those offenses were just that good giving those defenses bad stats, or did the conference have bad defenses like FSU did that year?

by trumpetman_03 on Mar 1, 2012 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

Well, the idea is based on adjusting each phase for competition

so each team’s schedule is adjusted to fit on the same scale. This includes total team, offense, defense and special teams. That’s the idea, but it isn’t perfect.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 1, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't wait

Until our Curves are aligned. They’ve been opposite now for too many years. I’m looking for a top 10 defense AND offense soon. We are out of alignment.

by Blazenole on Mar 1, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

A top 10 offense with the defense of the 2012 team, as well as the special teams, would be disgusting. Right now I’d be pleased with top 25ish.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Mar 1, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve long argued that FSU should seek to join the Big East. Hopefully I will gain more followers on this issue as a result of this analysis.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Mar 1, 2012 11:11 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

even after the defections from the BE?

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by RollNole5 on Mar 1, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Evidently my attempt to troll the good doctor hasn’t worked as well as I’d hoped.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Mar 1, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, fail.

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by Nattylite on Mar 1, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

If you were truly stupid or relatively unknown, it may have worked.

But people know you’re not an idiot. So it didn’t. I started laughing after reading the first sentence of your post.

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by CornNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I was all like whaaaa?

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by RollNole5 on Mar 1, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s not your buddy, guy.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Mar 1, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not your guy, pal.

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by FrankDNole on Mar 3, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I enjoyed it!

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by SeminoleMike on Mar 1, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I would have supported this move before the Big East expanded out to California.

Now I think it’s just a ridiculous conference waiting for the final death knoll.

Would have been nice to see the BE be proactive and go back after VT, MIami and add in FSU. Then they may have had a strong case for making Notre Dame take a good look at them.

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by Nattylite on Mar 1, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Big East teams aren’t worthy enough to be allowed to play FSU every year. It would be degrading

by SteadfastNole on Mar 1, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Get with new program

Perfect schedule for a national title!

by LouC on Mar 1, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Until we get passed over by undefeated teams in any other conference

by SteadfastNole on Mar 1, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Riiiiiight

Because an Undefeated Texas Tech, Oregon State, or MIchigan St would get in over FSU?

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by CornNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

If we were in the Big East? I dont even know what football schools are left in that conference

by SteadfastNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

And I was thinking more along the lines of an undefeated Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, even VT. The teams you would normally think could go undefeated

by SteadfastNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohio State?

Really? You think they have a prayer of going undefeated?

You think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys?

by Nole Resurrected on Mar 1, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Not the argument I’m making. I’m saying IF those type of schools go undefeated, there’s a good chance they’d all go before an undefeated FSU team in the big east.

by SteadfastNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

My bad.... I thought this was about the upcoming year.

Hell yeah, they’d all go ahead of us if we’re in the Big East, and rightfully so.

You think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys?

by Nole Resurrected on Mar 1, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea I was kinda wondering where that comment was coming from

by SteadfastNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think we'd have a decent chance

Especially if we had a decent OOC schedule. I mean, DKN just proved that the BE is the 2nd best conference, right?!?!

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by CornNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

haha my troll senses are now starting to tingle

by SteadfastNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

That second sentence was definitely goofing, but I think the idiots making decision would put FSU in the NC game, yes.

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by CornNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea we’d have to have a real OOC schedule to make it happen. I guess in reality we’d still have UF, but I dont think Savannah and Murray State would cut it.

by SteadfastNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

VT is in our conference and both of us couldn’t go undefeated.

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by RollNole5 on Mar 1, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh you were talking about us being in BE

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by RollNole5 on Mar 1, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Their key time would have been the late 80's.

Start with what they ended up with: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Rutgers, Miami, Virginia Tech and go hard at Florida State and Penn State, maybe Louisville to get to an even 10 teams.

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by Kazoonole on Mar 1, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

If you ever lacked a reason to visit TN, today definitely proved otherwise with 2 great write-ups!

by SimaNole on Mar 1, 2012 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

My only issue is the results of comparing F/+ numbers between years

I think comparing the rankings (top 10/20 or bottom 20) is valid, I’m just unsure about comparing the hard data itself.

No doubt UWV had a great defense in 2010, with the highest D-F/+, but there is just no way they compare to Bama’s defense this last year.

UWV 2010:
Yards per play – 4.2
Yards per run – 2.74
Yard per pass attempt – 5.77

Bama 2011:
Yards per play – 3.32
Yards per run – 2.43
Yards per pass attempt – 4.34

Just my opinion of course. I’m sure Connelly or Frameau could enlighten us.

by BenDNole on Mar 1, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

I thought about this quite a bit.

Each season the ratings are very close to being normally distributed about a mean of 0.0%. In years that feature a large middle grouping, the extremes are pulled toward the mean. The bell curve for 2011 is pretty steep and narrow.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 1, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Still a by-product of not being able to really adjust for conference/weak OOC sked no?

Was that WVU D that good or were the BE offenses (AND defenses) that bad that they performed relatively similarly amongst each other, but WVU was just a little better?

Still hard for me to buy into some aspects of the Fremeau/Connelly system. Namely comparing success of teams in different conferences.

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by CornNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. mentioned this above

The connectivity is just not there for me to trust the accuracy of comparing teams.

For example, I’ll take a BCS team on the opposite side of the country (Washington). At best, the connection we have to them is that one of their opponents (Stanford) played one of our opponents (Duke). Conference schedules make comparisons very hard, and it is only going to get worse with 9 conference games

by BenDNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I should mention that what Connelly/Fremeau do is still probably the best out there

Just pointing out flaws in the system that will prevent any SOS from working ideally.

by BenDNole on Mar 1, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

by the way

how do you get the twitter signature on your posts? I’ve tried playing with it but haven’t figured it out

Follow me on twitter

by cfn_ms on Mar 1, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't remember.

I just googled: sbnation twitter icon in signature, or something similar, and the instructions were in the first couple of hits.

by BenDNole on Mar 1, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Google twitter widget

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by RollNole5 on Mar 2, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't do it until you have an impressive # of followers...

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by DRusso97 on Mar 2, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys?

by Nole Resurrected on Mar 1, 2012 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

Nice statistical work

I realize it would have made for messy graphs but in the text I would have liked to have seen 95%CI’s around the point estimates. I think those would have shown that, perhaps outside of the top ranked team in each category, the other BCS conferences and perhaps even the middle majors were equivalent, statistically speaking.

by Bullnole on Mar 2, 2012 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Looking forward to reading your follow-up in the future.

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